Re: listserv vs. Google Group

2005-03-23 Thread Ed Summers
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 11:11:22AM -0600, Doran, Michael D wrote:
> The fact that perl4lib postings also go to Google Groups should at least
> be mentioned in the "WELCOME to perl4lib@perl.org" automated
> subscription response (preferably at the top).  Nothing was in there as
> of my July 30, 2003 WELCOME message.

Neato, it's news to me that perl4lib is archived in google groups. You 
should probably know it is in the mail-archive [1] as well, which is mentioned 
on the perl4lib homepage. You would do best to direct your concerns to Ask 
Bjørn Hansen (ask at develooper dot com) about the boilerplate since
that is under his control.

My perspective on this is that listservs, usenet and blogs are
converging, and I don't tend to alter my delivery when using
them. If you are concerned about personal information getting out there
I think you are best served by removing the information from your signature. 
Of course this doesn't help you with the information that's already out
there...unless you take drastic action like moving and changing your
name :-)

At least Google does you the favor of obscuring your email address, which 
is nice from a spam standpoint, and is more than archives like 
web4lib/xml4lib do for you.

//Ed

[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/perl4lib%40perl.org/

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Re: mailing lists vs. Google Groups (Usenet)

2005-03-23 Thread Andy Lester
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 11:11:22AM -0600, Doran, Michael D ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Although serving a similar purpose, I make a distinction between
> listservs and news groups.  The main distinction being that I assume the
> audience for the listserv is the people who explicitly subscribe to the
> listserv, whereas the audience for Google Groups are basically the whole
> world.  This distinction affects my posting behavior. 

I would suggest that the distinction you draw between the two is
imaginary.  I expect that anything that I send to anything that is
not a single person may potentially get mirrored somewhere that Google
(or any search engine) will find.


> The fact that perl4lib postings also go to Google Groups should at least
> be mentioned in the "WELCOME to perl4lib@perl.org" automated

It sure couldn't hurt.


Also, LISTSERV is a trademark.  The generic term is "mailing list."

http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/legal.asp

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listserv vs. Google Group

2005-03-23 Thread Doran, Michael D
I'm not sure that everybody who subscribes to this listserv is aware
that perl4lib listserv postings end up in the perl.perl4lib Google
Group.  I know that I was a bit surprised to find that out.

Although serving a similar purpose, I make a distinction between
listservs and news groups.  The main distinction being that I assume the
audience for the listserv is the people who explicitly subscribe to the
listserv, whereas the audience for Google Groups are basically the whole
world.  This distinction affects my posting behavior. 

For instance... I use a full "signature" (containing personal
information) for listserv postings, but am more restrictive in my
postings to news groups [1].  I tend to use a familiar and informal tone
with my listserv postings since the responses are often going to
somebody I actually know (if only by reputation).  I wouldn't
necessarily use that tone for responses to a news group posting.  In
addition, I'm more *likely* to post a response to a listserv request for
assistance, knowing (I thought) that any resulting mistakes and
ignorance on my part get a limited distribution.

The fact that perl4lib postings also go to Google Groups should at least
be mentioned in the "WELCOME to perl4lib@perl.org" automated
subscription response (preferably at the top).  Nothing was in there as
of my July 30, 2003 WELCOME message.

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Re: Syntax for Multiple conditions

2005-03-23 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:47 PM, Bryan Baldus wrote:
See perldoc perlop for Equality Operators. I believe:
   if ($field_100 && (($fic == '1') and ($juvie == 'j'))) {
should be
   if ($field_100 && (($fic eq '1') and ($juvie eq 'j'))) {
Also, the parens aren't necessary:
if ($field_100 and $fix eq '1' and $juvie eq 'j')
Or equivalently:
if ($field_100 && $fix eq '1' && $juvie eq 'j')
Or equivalently (not that I would recommend this syntax):
if ($field_100 && $fix eq '1' and $juvie eq 'j')
This is because 'a eq b' expressions are evaluated before 'c && d' 
expressions, which are evaluated before 'e and f' expressions.

Paul.
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