Re: Why do users need FileHandles?

2004-07-25 Thread Larry Wall
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 11:41:14PM -0500, Dan Hursh wrote:
: Larry Wall wrote:
: 
: >On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 01:32:29AM -0500, Dan Hursh wrote:
: >: >2. Really core. This is the sort of "standard library". Just the most
: >: >essential bits that are required for general Perl usability. You'd
: >: >probably include most of these, even in a "trimmed down" release, such
: >: >as an OS installer
: >: 
: >: What most venders will ship.
: >
: >Which is basically why we are planning not to produce one of these.
: >I think we should concentrate on 1 and 3.
: 
: I know.  In that case, I think venders are liable to be lazy or peeved 
: and ship option 1 or worse, nothing.  Is the answer really supposed to 
: be CPAN or no library?  Is there a plan to at least have stable 
: snapshots of CPAN?  Sorry to be a pest on this, but the implications 
: actually scare me about things I didn't worry about before because I had 
: confidence that they would be addressed in 'the library'.  Maybe I just 
: need to sit and meditate some more.

Sounds like you're confusing #3 with #4.

Larry


Re: Why do users need FileHandles?

2004-07-25 Thread Dan Hursh
Larry Wall wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 01:32:29AM -0500, Dan Hursh wrote:
: >2. Really core. This is the sort of "standard library". Just the most
: >essential bits that are required for general Perl usability. You'd
: >probably include most of these, even in a "trimmed down" release, such
: >as an OS installer
: 
: What most venders will ship.

Which is basically why we are planning not to produce one of these.
I think we should concentrate on 1 and 3.
I know.  In that case, I think venders are liable to be lazy or peeved 
and ship option 1 or worse, nothing.  Is the answer really supposed to 
be CPAN or no library?  Is there a plan to at least have stable 
snapshots of CPAN?  Sorry to be a pest on this, but the implications 
actually scare me about things I didn't worry about before because I had 
confidence that they would be addressed in 'the library'.  Maybe I just 
need to sit and meditate some more.

Dan


Re: Why do users need FileHandles?

2004-07-25 Thread Larry Wall
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 01:32:29AM -0500, Dan Hursh wrote:
: >2. Really core. This is the sort of "standard library". Just the most
: >essential bits that are required for general Perl usability. You'd
: >probably include most of these, even in a "trimmed down" release, such
: >as an OS installer
: 
: What most venders will ship.

Which is basically why we are planning not to produce one of these.
I think we should concentrate on 1 and 3.

Larry