Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r11115 - doc/trunk/design/syn

2006-08-18 Thread Larry Wall
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 12:56:30PM +0300, Markus Laire wrote:
: What about combined short switches like C-abc to mean C-a -b -c?
: Will perl6 support this notation or not?

Hmm, that opens up a world of hurt.  Either you have to distinguish a
--abc from -abc, or you have to have some kind of fallback heuristic,
and it doesn't work terribly well with arguments in any case except
for the final one.  Should probably make it possible, just because the
external interface is one of the places where Perl has always tried
to be accommodating to existing culture rather than revisionist.
We can probably work something out here, along the lines of:

if there's only one -
if single character aliases are defined
if the word matches that alphabet
if the word doesn't match any longer names

At first I was inclined to say that if there's a *% then all the
unrecognized go in there and you can parse the -abc yourself, but
that doesn't tell you how to treat the next argument unless we look
at the definition of -c anyway.  We can't just say that -c's arg
must use the -c=arg form, since even Perl 5 violates that with -e.  :/

Larry


Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r11115 - doc/trunk/design/syn

2006-08-18 Thread Markus Laire

On 8/18/06, Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 12:56:30PM +0300, Markus Laire wrote:
: What about combined short switches like C-abc to mean C-a -b -c?
: Will perl6 support this notation or not?

Hmm, that opens up a world of hurt.  Either you have to distinguish a
--abc from -abc, or you have to have some kind of fallback heuristic,
and it doesn't work terribly well with arguments in any case except
for the final one.  Should probably make it possible, just because the
external interface is one of the places where Perl has always tried
to be accommodating to existing culture rather than revisionist.
We can probably work something out here, along the lines of:

if there's only one -
if single character aliases are defined
if the word matches that alphabet
if the word doesn't match any longer names

At first I was inclined to say that if there's a *% then all the
unrecognized go in there and you can parse the -abc yourself, but
that doesn't tell you how to treat the next argument unless we look
at the definition of -c anyway.  We can't just say that -c's arg
must use the -c=arg form, since even Perl 5 violates that with -e.  :/

Larry



Yep, I understand it's not an easy question.

Still I was thinking of behaviour where C-abc would allways mean
C-a -b -c regardless of what 1-char aliases or longer names have
been defined. This would make --abc and -abc mean completely different
things.

And in this proposal only the last switch would be able to get an
argument, e.g. with C-abc=99 or C-abc 99 or something like that.

If this can't be the default behaviour, then it would be nice to be
able to easily switch to this kind of behaviour.


ps. Then there's the perl5-behaviour of perl -n0e unlink where also
the intervening switches can get arguments. This could be expanded so
that all chars for which there's no 1-char alias defined, are
parameters. So C-aHellobWorld would mean C-a=Hello -b=World if
there are 1-char aliases only for a  b. ;)

--
Markus Laire


Re: [svn:perl6-synopsis] r11115 - doc/trunk/design/syn

2006-08-18 Thread Larry Wall
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 07:53:14PM +0300, Markus Laire wrote:
: ps. Then there's the perl5-behaviour of perl -n0e unlink where also
: the intervening switches can get arguments. This could be expanded so
: that all chars for which there's no 1-char alias defined, are
: parameters. So C-aHellobWorld would mean C-a=Hello -b=World if
: there are 1-char aliases only for a  b. ;)

I think that safely falls into the category of completely psychotic.  @L@

Larry


[svn:perl6-synopsis] r11115 - doc/trunk/design/syn

2006-08-17 Thread larry
Author: larry
Date: Thu Aug 17 16:39:38 2006
New Revision: 5

Modified:
   doc/trunk/design/syn/S06.pod

Log:
More old use of multiple invocant terminology changed to longnames.
Added mechanism for both short and long switch names.


Modified: doc/trunk/design/syn/S06.pod
==
--- doc/trunk/design/syn/S06.pod(original)
+++ doc/trunk/design/syn/S06.podThu Aug 17 16:39:38 2006
@@ -13,9 +13,9 @@
 
   Maintainer: Larry Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: 21 Mar 2003
-  Last Modified: 14 Aug 2006
+  Last Modified: 17 Aug 2006
   Number: 6
-  Version: 49
+  Version: 50
 
 
 This document summarizes Apocalypse 6, which covers subroutines and the
@@ -481,21 +481,10 @@
 print $obj.get_name();
 $obj.set_name(Sam);
 
-Multimethod and multisub invocants are specified at the start of the parameter
-list, with a colon terminating the list of invocants:
-
-multi sub handle_event ($window, $event: $mode) {...}   # two invocants
-multi method set_name ($self, $name: $nick) {...}   # two invocants
-
-If the parameter list for a Cmulti contains no colon to delimit
-the list of invocant parameters, then all positional parameters are
-considered invocants.  If it's a Cmulti method or Cmulti submethod,
-an additional implicit unnamed Cself invocant is prepended to the
-signature list.
-
 For the purpose of matching positional arguments against invocant parameters,
 the invocant argument passed via the method call syntax is considered the
-first positional argument:
+first positional argument when failover happens from single dispatch to
+multiple dispatch:
 
 handle_event($w, $e, $m);   # calls the multi sub
 $w.handle_event($e, $m);# ditto, but only if there is no
@@ -509,14 +498,28 @@
 # fall-back to set_name($obj, Sam)
 $obj.set_name(Sam);   # same as the above
 
-Passing too many or too few invocants is a fatal error if no matching
-definition can be found.
-
 An invocant is the topic of the corresponding method or multi if that
 formal parameter is declared with the name C$_.  A method's first
 invocant always has the alias Cself.  Other styles of self can be
 declared with the Cself pragma.
 
+=head2 Longname parameters
+
+Much like ordinary methods give preference to the invocant,
+multimethods and multisubs can give preference to earlier parameters.
+These are called Ilongnames; see S12 for more about the semantics
+of multiple dispatch.  Syntactically, longnames are declared by
+terminating the list of important parameters with a semicolon:
+
+multi sub handle_event ($window, $event; $mode) {...}
+multi method set_name ($self: $name; $nick) {...}
+
+If the parameter list for a Cmulti contains no semicolon to delimit
+the list of invocant parameters, then all positional parameters are
+considered invocants.  If it's a Cmulti method or Cmulti submethod,
+an additional implicit unnamed Cself invocant is prepended to the
+signature list unless the first parameter is explicitly marked with a colon.
+
 
 =head2 Required parameters
 
@@ -2534,3 +2537,14 @@
 parameters, but still give you access to nested matches through those
 parameters, just as any CMatch object would.  Of course, in this example,
 there's no particular reason the sub has to be named CMAIN.
+
+To give both a long and a short switch name, you may use the pair
+notation.  The key will be considered the short switch name, while
+the variable name will be considered the long switch name.  So if
+the previous declaration had been:
+
+sub MAIN (:f($frompart), :t($topart), [EMAIL PROTECTED])
+
+then you could invoke the program with either C-f or C--frompart
+to specify the first parameter.  Likewise you could use either C-t
+or C--topart for the second parameter.