RE: Problem with justify lines in OpenOffice !
Ok , here is the URL of screenshot : http://iranetsol.com/openoffice.jpg Any idea ?! --- Regards = / Seyyed Hamid Reza/WINDOWS FOR NOW !!/ / Hashemi Golpayegani / Linux for future , FreeBSD for ever / /Morva System Co. / - / / Network Administrator/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] , ICQ# : 42209876 / -Original Message- From: Roozbeh Pournader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:16 AM To: Hamid Hashemi Golpayegani Cc: Persian Computing Subject: Re: Problem with justify lines in OpenOffice ! On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 00:19, Hamid Hashemi Golpayegani wrote: I have installed the Fedora Core 1 with KDE and OpenOffice included in fedora CD . So the problem is that when I type Persian characters in OpenOffice Writer ( with koodak or any unicode compatible fonts ) and want to justify the lines with same size , some dashes are located on the wrong place . For example there is a dash inserted after VAV that is incorrect . How can I solve this problem ?! Screenshot? roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: e-Greetings, Some people say that we should use comma , or U+066B, some other say: We Should Use 'Reh (U+0631)'. Who has said to use U+066B or U+0631 for that??? I think this is all your hallucination. The only character that should be used is U+066C ARABIC THOUSANDS SEPARATOR. I know that Microsoft fonts (mistakenly) render it like a comma, but 1) that's wrong, have a look at Unicode tables, 2) It's a matter of font, you can put a re shaped glyph there in your font if you prefer. BUT THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY ONE CHARACTER THAT SHOULD BE USED. OTHERWISE YOU ARE CREATING A NEW PROBLEM. As a webmaster, I rather to use 'Reh', which consists with Web Usability Rules. Which Web Usability Rules?? Remember the Farsi vs. Persian War, for ages we have used the term 'Farsi'. But now we know Persian is correct. Now I'm a little bit worry about a Comma vs. Reh War! Yeah, and I smell you starting a problem. But I won't fight anymore after the end of this mail. Your problem. A professional in Persian language [Mr. MohammadReza Mohammadifar], has stated that using of 'Reh' is prefered, So have I ; though I'm not a Persian language expert. And I hereby say that Mr MohammadReza Mohammadifar is not a professional in Persian computing, and a professional is right now in this mail saying that you should not use re, but ARABIC THOUSANDS SEPARATOR U+066C. As you are not a Persian whatever expert, just go with my recommendation. period. behdad Regards, Behzad ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 16:32, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: [...] As you are not a Persian whatever expert, just go with my recommendation. period. ... or face the consequences if you wish to decide otherwise. nagoo nagoftim! ;) roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Writing Farsi with a german Word
Hello all I am trying to enable a colleague (he is persian, but somewhat older and not that good with his computer) to write texts in farsi on his computer. I have installed the multilanguage version of Windows XP, the arabic MUI and put farsi into the Eingabegebietsschemaleiste (i am at a loss here for the english equivalent). When I start Word 2003, and change the language to farsi, i can type in farsi, but the numerals appear in western typeset. The same happens with OpenOffice 1.1 and Wordpad. Is there a way to remove that problem? As a sidequestion, i heard, that the multilanguageversion of Word 2003 is quite good, is that true regarding farsi? Ciao, Thomas Speck -- Thomas Speck Universitaet Hildesheim Zentrum fuer Fernstudium und Weiterbildung Marienburger Platz 22 Raum F 108 Tel.: +49(5121)883226 Fax : +49(5121)883222 E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Writing Farsi with a german Word
Thomas, When you're in Word, just go Tools Options Complex Scripts Context Context means it will see that you're typing Persian and change the numbers accordingly to Persian. There's a bug with page numbers if you want to read about it: http://students.washington.edu/irina/persianword/numbers.htm Someone also recently mentioned the following method which I haven't tried so I can't say if it works. It may change all your numbers to Persian in a more permanent fashion. Maybe someone else here can comment: 1. Control panel 2. Regional and language options 3. `Select an item to match its Preferences' to Farsi 4. Click `Customize' 5. The last option: `Digit substitution' to `National' 6. Confirm all -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Writing Farsi with a german Word
Thomas Speck schrieb: Hello all I am trying to enable a colleague (he is persian, but somewhat older and not that good with his computer) to write texts in farsi on his computer. I have installed the multilanguage version of Windows XP, the arabic MUI and put farsi into the Eingabegebietsschemaleiste (i am at a loss here for the english equivalent). When I start Word 2003, and change the language to farsi, i can type in farsi, but the numerals appear in western typeset. The same happens with OpenOffice 1.1 and Wordpad. Is there a way to remove that problem? As a sidequestion, i heard, that the multilanguageversion of Word 2003 is quite good, is that true regarding farsi? Ciao, Thomas Speck Thanks to all who replied to my question. C. Bobroffs hint regarding Tools Options Complex Scripts Context in Word did the trick, now it works. Ciao, Thomas Speck -- Thomas Speck Universitaet Hildesheim Zentrum fuer Fernstudium und Weiterbildung Marienburger Platz 22 Raum F 108 Tel.: +49(5121)883226 Fax : +49(5121)883222 E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Writing Farsi with a german Word
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 18:36, Thomas Speck wrote: When I start Word 2003, and change the language to farsi, i can type in farsi, but the numerals appear in western typeset. That's a misfeature in MS Windows keyboard layouts. I think it's supposed to be a feature. Some people prefer Western-style numerals even if the text is in some other language. (Not saying this should be the default.) I think they forgot how to use their own numbers. As Peter pointed out, Persian speakers seem to be fast forgetting how to read Nasta`liq. -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Writing Farsi with a german Word
Well, almost nobody can read even the text of their (the Calligrapher Association's) arm... ;) Likely a feature, not a bug. -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
Behzad, You are a wonder with scanner and hi-liter! Thank you and good job!! I'll let you know when the museum exposition is ready for your perusal. (Certain others may like to note how promptly Behzad has sent that when I'm still waiting for printed wedding invitations, flyers, invoices, etc with the Arabic Yeh and Kaf for the other museum exhibit announced a long time ago) Please kindly find the scanned page of the book (Persian Manual of Editing, Is there a date on there? 138?? Now I'm a little bit worry about a Comma vs. Reh War! Just be glad you weren't around for the Heh+Hamza vs Heh+Yeh War. Now THAT was bloody. A professional in Persian language [Mr. MohammadReza Mohammadifar], He DOES have a Heh+Hamza right there on the cover of his book so he can't be TOO bad! (Now I'm going to get flamed...) But why is he using the word, kaamaa? I thought it's virgul in Persian? -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: As a webmaster, I rather to use 'Reh', which consists with Web Usability Rules. Which Web Usability Rules?? Presumably he doesn't like the users to see a box or ??? or ,. The old font problem as usual! That is the source of all our problems! -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: Please quote the exact Persian text (in faargilisi if necessary). By the way, what is the difference between faargilisi and finglish? -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 21:02, C Bobroff wrote: By the way, what is the difference between faargilisi and finglish? Personal preference, perhaps. BTW, some people say the second should be called Pinglish ;) roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 20:55, C Bobroff wrote: (Certain others may like to note how promptly Behzad has sent that when I'm still waiting for printed wedding invitations, flyers, invoices, etc with the Arabic Yeh and Kaf for the other museum exhibit announced a long time ago) I'm worried people will start refering to your pictures only as examples of good Persian typography: Look, this picture has it here, it's definitely Persian, and it uses the dots, so it's OK to do that! A professional in Persian language [Mr. MohammadReza Mohammadifar], He DOES have a Heh+Hamza right there on the cover of his book so he can't be TOO bad! (Now I'm going to get flamed...) You should meet him... He's of course a wonderful guy that has recognized many of the problems of Persian computing and published books on the matter (using tools he has developed himself). But his work can't be trusted as authoritative, as there are many known problems. For example, his work on indexing specifically mentions that the ordering of Persian vowel signs is Fathe, Zamme, Kasre, which almost no other reference agrees with. When I specifically asked him why he is doing so, he mentioned that he can't exactly remember the references, but it is based on exhaustive research. Now I won't call that good research. But why is he using the word, kaamaa? I thought it's virgul in Persian? Personal preference (a.k.a. ignorance)? roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: Writing Farsi with a german Word
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: No. That is simply a bug. People started to forget Persian numerals just after microsoft did this. To back my opinion just note that in the old Dos era everyone used Persian numerals. And the simple reason that MS did this bug *intentionally* is that their application does not parse Persian numeralas as numeric data, so if you type 12 with Persian digits in a font-size box in Office, it would give error. So if they were to put Persian digits on keyboard, people need to switch to English to write any number (see what happenes in Excel). And if they where to allow (let people know it's possible) to type Persian digits, people would request Persian digits in their Excel spreadsheets that was not possible. So they simply removed Persian digits from the keyboard, and as there was no Persian costumer, they predicted no one is gonna ask them... Behdad, So many excellent points you have raised here! And how true! -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Historically (I see you are interested ;) snip Well, that's almost it. Yes, that is interesting! Let us know if there's more! -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: I tried to convince him to refine his work based on better references, but he didn't seem interested enough. OK, one whole person gave him feedback. told me. I have his email address, if you want to try it yourself. He happens to read his emails, contrary to many other Iranian experts. No thanks! You mean on the mailing list? No, I just checked, and he's not here, nor on any other mailing list on lists.sharif.edu. You never know who's hiding behind all those hotmail and yahoo addresses! -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
RE: Problem with justify lines in OpenOffice !
This is a bug in OpenOffice 1.1 for CTL languages. It puts KASHIDA glyph between glyphs for justification of arabic text. The code seems to be not aware of putting spaces between words and KASHIDA between others, it just knows that arabic can be justified with KASHIDA!!! It usually put a KASHIDA glyph after the isolated glyphs so you see it after isolated NOON or VAV or REH , etc. Best Regards Soheil Hassas Yeganeh - Computers are like airconditioners, they will not work properly if you open windows!!! Ok , here is the URL of screenshot : http://iranetsol.com/openoffice.jpg Any idea ?! --- Regards = / Seyyed Hamid Reza/WINDOWS FOR NOW !!/ / Hashemi Golpayegani / Linux for future , FreeBSD for ever / /Morva System Co. / - / / Network Administrator/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] , ICQ# : 42209876 / -Original Message- From: Roozbeh Pournader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:16 AM To: Hamid Hashemi Golpayegani Cc: Persian Computing Subject: Re: Problem with justify lines in OpenOffice ! On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 00:19, Hamid Hashemi Golpayegani wrote: I have installed the Fedora Core 1 with KDE and OpenOffice included in fedora CD . So the problem is that when I type Persian characters in OpenOffice Writer ( with koodak or any unicode compatible fonts ) and want to justify the lines with same size , some dashes are located on the wrong place . For example there is a dash inserted after VAV that is incorrect . How can I solve this problem ?! Screenshot? roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
