Re: [GENERAL] browser interface to forums please?
On 3/25/2017 10:31 PM, George Neuner wrote: I also dislike having my email full of list posts. I have a 'postgres' folder in Thunderbird, and all posts "To:" or CC: pgsql-*@postgresql.org get moved there, that way they are together, and don't clutter my other email.I have similar folders for the various other email lists I'm on. -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] browser interface to forums please?
On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:37:00 +, Tim Clarke wrote: >On 25/03/17 16:25, David G. Johnston wrote: >> >> One constraint is that the current email based flow cannot be >> disrupted. Adding on a fully integrated forum-like GUI does have some >> demand. I don't see it being met if the it needs to be custom >> written. Therefore, do you have any suggestions and examples of >> communities using such a system? >> >> As it stands we have a kind of read-only forum in our archives. It >> would be nice if there were a form at the bottom of the page that >> would let you post - or even "send email to me so I can respond". >> >> In short, there is always room for usability improvements. You'll get >> a better response if you focus on those since and explain why. >> >> David J. > >google groups would support both methods of access imho > >I'm not suggesting its a good thing - perfectly happy with just email >myself and searching the list archives if need be. Google Groups rather routinely screws up message attribution so you don't know to whom a GG user was responding. Also [IME, anyway] GG users tend to forget to expand and quote the material to which they are responding because in the web UI they can just look back and see it. Trying to follow a group through email, or by way of a list<>news bridge, it is easy to lose the flow of a discussion when some of its participants are on Google. That said ... I also dislike having my email full of list posts. I prefer to follow groups and lists through NNTP (net news) whenever possible. Many (all?) of the Postgresql lists are available via Gmane[*]. For historical (hysterical?) reasons, I use Forte Agent as my reader on Windows, but Thunderbird and SeaMonkey both work well for news and are cross platform. YMMV, George [*] Gmane is one of the list<>news bridges. They currently are in the midst of rehosting and changing maintainers. The NNTP servers (news.gmane.org) are working, but the web site (http://gmane.org/) is offline. No account is necessary to use Gmane itself, but membership in a list is needed to post messages. Join with the same email address used by your NN reader to access Gmane. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
Re: [GENERAL] browser interface to forums please?
On Saturday, March 25, 2017, Tim Clarke wrote: > On 25/03/17 16:25, David G. Johnston wrote: > > > > One constraint is that the current email based flow cannot be > > disrupted. Adding on a fully integrated forum-like GUI does have some > > demand. I don't see it being met if the it needs to be custom > > written. Therefore, do you have any suggestions and examples of > > communities using such a system? > > > > As it stands we have a kind of read-only forum in our archives. It > > would be nice if there were a form at the bottom of the page that > > would let you post - or even "send email to me so I can respond". > > > > In short, there is always room for usability improvements. You'll get > > a better response if you focus on those since and explain why. > > > > David J. > > google groups would support both methods of access imho > > I'm not suggesting its a good thing - perfectly happy with just email > myself and searching the list archives if need be. > > Becomming reliant on a third-party host is a non-starter. Nothing about the present system is so deficient that status-quo would be a less appealing option. David J.
Re: [GENERAL] browser interface to forums please?
On 25/03/17 16:25, David G. Johnston wrote: > > One constraint is that the current email based flow cannot be > disrupted. Adding on a fully integrated forum-like GUI does have some > demand. I don't see it being met if the it needs to be custom > written. Therefore, do you have any suggestions and examples of > communities using such a system? > > As it stands we have a kind of read-only forum in our archives. It > would be nice if there were a form at the bottom of the page that > would let you post - or even "send email to me so I can respond". > > In short, there is always room for usability improvements. You'll get > a better response if you focus on those since and explain why. > > David J. google groups would support both methods of access imho I'm not suggesting its a good thing - perfectly happy with just email myself and searching the list archives if need be. Tim smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [GENERAL] browser interface to forums please?
On Friday, March 24, 2017, Yuri Budilov wrote: > Hello everyone > Can these forums be moved to internet ? > All these emails is so 1990s. > So hard to follow, so hard to search for historical answers. > We really need to be able to post via browser. > > One constraint is that the current email based flow cannot be disrupted. Adding on a fully integrated forum-like GUI does have some demand. I don't see it being met if the it needs to be custom written. Therefore, do you have any suggestions and examples of communities using such a system? As it stands we have a kind of read-only forum in our archives. It would be nice if there were a form at the bottom of the page that would let you post - or even "send email to me so I can respond". In short, there is always room for usability improvements. You'll get a better response if you focus on those since and explain why. David J.
Re: [GENERAL] browser interface to forums please?
On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 04:49:33AM +, Yuri Budilov wrote: > Can these forums be moved to internet ? Last I looked, SMTP generally works on the Internet. You mean "the web", which is a part of but not all of the Internet. > So hard to follow, so hard to search for historical answers. Why do you find it hard to follow? The list is pretty well-ordered and tends to thread nicely, so you can use any threaded mail reader (or reader in threaded mode) and you should have some success. I note from the headers on your mail that you appear to be using both MS Exchange and MS Outlook. I haven't looked since the early 2000s, so things might be better, but I recall Outlook having really bad threading support at the time. Maybe you need to switch to gmail for reading the postgres lists. It threads ok, and meets your stated requirement of being in a browser. As for historical answers, I'm not exactly sure what you want but you will find at https://www.postgresql.org/list/ a "search archives" function and an "advanced" search function at https://www.postgresql.org/search/?m=1. It's as good as most online forum search tools I've ever used, though not as good as Google. Which, I note, works well too. > We really need to be able to post via browser. Why? What does "post via browser" get you that sending an email doesn't? I can think of somethign it does _not_ get you, however, and that is the attention of some of the key contributors to Postgres, who appear to work mostly in a mode where email makes things easy for them and logging into a new forum tool makes things harder. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan a...@crankycanuck.ca -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-general
