Re: [HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
Think is, 8.1 does a much better job of upgrading 7.2 datatabases than 7.3 or 7.4 did anyway. I just tested using a database created in 7.1 and upgraded to 7.2 which has a baroque and unnecessarily complex schema (legacy production applicaiton) which breaks on 7.4 without adddepends. I was able to upgrade it to 8.2(today) and it worked without adddepends. I'm testing dump, load, dump, load now to see if it still works OK. That's irrelevant - does it actually have FK's is the question. I bet you'll instead have a bunch of CREATE CONSTRAINT TRIGGER statements... ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
1) Rod Taylor is not interested in maintaining it anymore; 2) It currently throws errors on 8.2 (and probably earlier); 3) With KL's improvements to pg_dump for 8.0, about half of its functionality is no longer necessary. So, speak up if someone thinks there's some reason to save adddepends anywhere other than the CVS and FTP archives. I think it absolutely should be kept on pgFoundry no? I don't see how my improvements to pg_dump help anyone upgrading from 7.2 to later versions? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 11:22:49AM -0400, Josh Berkus wrote: > Folks, > > For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from > contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm > not exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems > unlike to lead an independant existance on pgFoundry; I'm inclined > to just nuke it. > > For those of you who don't want to hunt through the archives, the > reasons we're removing adddepends are: > > 1) Rod Taylor is not interested in maintaining it anymore; > 2) It currently throws errors on 8.2 (and probably earlier); > 3) With KL's improvements to pg_dump for 8.0, about half of its > functionality is no longer necessary. > > So, speak up if someone thinks there's some reason to save > adddepends anywhere other than the CVS and FTP archives. As Ripley famously said: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Cheers, D -- David Fetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
Bruce Momjian wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: >> Folks, >> >> For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from >> contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm not >> exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike to >> lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just nuke it. > > I vote for the nuclear option. ;-) as I said when this first came up - we still get a sizable number of support requests from people trying to import dumps(!) of very old postgresql versions on IRC. adddepends is often of some value for those people and I would rather like to see it fixed for 8.1 and maybe even 8.2 ... Stefan ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not match
Re: [HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
Gavin, There are still 7.2 systems out there which need it. The problem is, adddepend is broken when run against 8.1. It breaks on serial, I think. And on some other stuff, too. I didn't document all the failures, I just tested and killed it. Think is, 8.1 does a much better job of upgrading 7.2 datatabases than 7.3 or 7.4 did anyway. I just tested using a database created in 7.1 and upgraded to 7.2 which has a baroque and unnecessarily complex schema (legacy production applicaiton) which breaks on 7.4 without adddepends. I was able to upgrade it to 8.2(today) and it worked without adddepends. I'm testing dump, load, dump, load now to see if it still works OK. --Josh ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
Gavin Sherry wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Josh Berkus wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > > > For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from > > > contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm not > > > exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike to > > > lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just nuke it. > > > > I vote for the nuclear option. ;-) > > There are still 7.2 systems out there which need it. The problem is, > adddepend is broken when run against 8.1. It breaks on serial, I think. Which is not really a problem, because it seems actually kinda absurd to be running adddepend against an 8.1 server. I mean, if you spent all that time running with broken FKs and stuff from 7.2 to 8.1, why are you going to care now? I don't think it would be very difficult to solve the problem with serial anyway. -- Alvaro Herrerahttp://www.CommandPrompt.com/ The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
Re: [HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
On Monday 10 July 2006 11:43, Gavin Sherry wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Josh Berkus wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > > > For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from > > > contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm > > > not exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike > > > to lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just > > > nuke it. > > > > I vote for the nuclear option. ;-) > > There are still 7.2 systems out there which need it. My understanding is that 7.2 is EOL... if people have 7.2 and need it they can pull the sources from anythin <= 8.2 yes? So I vote nuke! Joshua D. Drake > The problem is, > adddepend is broken when run against 8.1. It breaks on serial, I think. > > Gavin > > ---(end of broadcast)--- > TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Josh Berkus wrote: > > Folks, > > > > For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from > > contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm not > > exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike to > > lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just nuke it. > > I vote for the nuclear option. ;-) There are still 7.2 systems out there which need it. The problem is, adddepend is broken when run against 8.1. It breaks on serial, I think. Gavin ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
Re: [HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
Josh Berkus wrote: > Folks, > > For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from > contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm not > exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike to > lead an independent existence on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just nuke it. I vote for the nuclear option. ;-) -- Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] EnterpriseDBhttp://www.enterprisedb.com + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. + ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
[HACKERS] Removing AddDepends; should I bother with a project?
Folks, For the code sprint, I'm starting off by removing the projects from contrib which need to be removed by still have some usefulness. I'm not exactly sure what to do with adddepends, though. It seems unlike to lead an independant existance on pgFoundry; I'm inclined to just nuke it. For those of you who don't want to hunt through the archives, the reasons we're removing adddepends are: 1) Rod Taylor is not interested in maintaining it anymore; 2) It currently throws errors on 8.2 (and probably earlier); 3) With KL's improvements to pg_dump for 8.0, about half of its functionality is no longer necessary. So, speak up if someone thinks there's some reason to save adddepends anywhere other than the CVS and FTP archives. --Josh Berkus ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
