Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Josh Berkus wrote: Why is there significant delay on important posts, yet some posts go almost straight though? Every time I use Announce my posts are delayed for about 4-5 days. Why do some posts jump the queue, appearing to imply the moderator is being selective in releasing some, yet not others? Do we need some more moderators? Yes. Currently the only moderators for -announce are Marc and Greg S-M. This means that you can get your announce through quickly if you follow up a posting to that list with a private e-mail to one of them; otherwise, stuff tends to lag for several days. Or there are a couple of pass-throughs, for release announcements and PWN, which are not moderated. I've asked several times that we add additional moderators for -announce. Anyone volunteering ... ? Adding is simple enough ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 08:29, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Josh Berkus wrote: Why is there significant delay on important posts, yet some posts go almost straight though? Every time I use Announce my posts are delayed for about 4-5 days. Why do some posts jump the queue, appearing to imply the moderator is being selective in releasing some, yet not others? Do we need some more moderators? Yes. Currently the only moderators for -announce are Marc and Greg S-M. This means that you can get your announce through quickly if you follow up a posting to that list with a private e-mail to one of them; otherwise, stuff tends to lag for several days. Or there are a couple of pass-throughs, for release announcements and PWN, which are not moderated. I've asked several times that we add additional moderators for -announce. Anyone volunteering ... ? Adding is simple enough ... In principle I would, and I have before, but the way that we do moderation really doesn't scale to multiple moderators, and I'm not willing to expend my time for pointless work. What I'm referring to? The fact that at least last time I was looking at this, most (all other?) moderators *only* approve things. And never reject them, instead letting the timeout take care of things thatn shouldn't be posted. That means that if there are 10 moderators, every one of them needs to look at all the mails and ignore them. In cases of other lists where I moderate, people reject spam when they see it, which means that once I go in there I only see stuff that nobody else has already processed. Which makes for less double (or ten-double) work... (I still do moderate some lists, but they are the smaller and more specific ones for pgeu and such, where there is only one or in worst case two moderators) -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 What I'm referring to? The fact that at least last time I was looking at this, most (all other?) moderators *only* approve things. And never reject them, instead letting the timeout take care of things thatn shouldn't be posted. Certainly not all, becuase I don't do things that way. And certainly not -announce, because I don't think Marc works that way either. As far as the original complaint, if one suspects something is stuck in the queue, a message to #postgresql might be the quickest way to get someone's attention, followed by an email to -www. But my all means, let's add more mods, especially to -announce as Marc, Rob, and I are all in the same time zone. - -- Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com End Point Corporation http://www.endpoint.com/ PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 201006170920 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREDAAYFAkwaIV0ACgkQvJuQZxSWSsiGegCff6KbUMe1QdynDY/PPwd+OYUl mDwAn3FXrbDP9Toa/pOOubMB97WC2YDe =ONPP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: What I'm referring to? The fact that at least last time I was looking at this, most (all other?) moderators *only* approve things. And never reject them, instead letting the timeout take care of things thatn shouldn't be posted. That means that if there are 10 moderators, every one of them needs to look at all the mails and ignore them. In cases of other lists where I moderate, people reject spam when they see it, which means that once I go in there I only see stuff that nobody else has already processed. Which makes for less double (or ten-double) work... I sooo agree here ... and to make matters worse, when I go through all of the groups once a week, I find a half dozen or more postings that 'slipped through the cracks' that should have been approved, but weren't ... but to get there, I have to weed through *hundreds* of postings to find them ... But, I think you and I are exceptions here, in that we use the web interface for moderation, and not just email ... although I'm not sure why its so far to do a 'Reply' and type 'Reject' since ppl have to have already checked the body of the message to now it shouldn't be approved ... most of the work is already done by that point ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of jue jun 17 10:47:41 -0400 2010: I sooo agree here ... and to make matters worse, when I go through all of the groups once a week, I find a half dozen or more postings that 'slipped through the cracks' that should have been approved, but weren't ... but to get there, I have to weed through *hundreds* of postings to find them ... But, I think you and I are exceptions here, in that we use the web interface for moderation, and not just email ... although I'm not sure why its so far to do a 'Reply' and type 'Reject' since ppl have to have already checked the body of the message to now it shouldn't be approved ... most of the work is already done by that point ... hey, count me as an exception as well. I do reject all spam that gets to me (-hackers and -committers these days only, plus -es-ayuda). I moderate *everything* I get by email -- but I never visit the website. If some stuff is still queued after I go through routine moderation, it's only because I didn't get it (remember there's a setting that says only send to this many moderators, so no one should be swamped). I shared a recipe that allows Mutt to do one-keystroke moderation (saves a lot of work), and I recently wrote another one for Sup-mail which is what I'm currently using -- if anyone is interested in that one, let me know. -- Álvaro Herrera alvhe...@commandprompt.com The PostgreSQL Company - Command Prompt, Inc. PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
Marc G. Fournier wrote: Anyone volunteering ... ? Adding is simple enough ... I can help with moderating announce, having now gotten used to doing the similar chore for things submitted to the web site for a few months. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant US Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support g...@2ndquadrant.com www.2ndQuadrant.us -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:27, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 16:12 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: This was just posted to announce. I notice you mention that this was just posted to the ANNOUNCE list. Who is it that moderates the announce list? I can't answer this part, just wanted to add a comment below. The postings made by David Fetter on 13 June and postings by David Wheeler on 15 June were both approved within an hour of posting. In the case of Fetter at least, I think he's whitelisted and his posts are never moderated - since he posts the PWN every week. Critically important posting by Lacey Powers on Monday, approximately 40 hours early was held in the queue. Also, an item by Koichi Suzuki was held in the queue since 8 June, and also an item by myself was held in the queue since 11 June. Why is there significant delay on important posts, yet some posts go almost straight though? Every time I use Announce my posts are delayed for about 4-5 days. Why do some posts jump the queue, appearing to imply the moderator is being selective in releasing some, yet not others? Do we need some more moderators? Probably - someone else can hopefully comment on who moderates that one now. -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
Why is there significant delay on important posts, yet some posts go almost straight though? Every time I use Announce my posts are delayed for about 4-5 days. Why do some posts jump the queue, appearing to imply the moderator is being selective in releasing some, yet not others? Do we need some more moderators? Yes. Currently the only moderators for -announce are Marc and Greg S-M. This means that you can get your announce through quickly if you follow up a posting to that list with a private e-mail to one of them; otherwise, stuff tends to lag for several days. Or there are a couple of pass-throughs, for release announcements and PWN, which are not moderated. I've asked several times that we add additional moderators for -announce. -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 13:05 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:27, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 16:12 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: This was just posted to announce. I notice you mention that this was just posted to the ANNOUNCE list. Who is it that moderates the announce list? I can't answer this part, just wanted to add a comment below. Well I am one. I can tell you that one of the problems I run into is that if I don't see it during my normal business day, I won't moderate it. So if you send during your timezone, and I am the only one watching... If it comes through during my business day, I moderate immediately (assuming I am reading email) Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:34 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Why is there significant delay on important posts, yet some posts go almost straight though? Every time I use Announce my posts are delayed for about 4-5 days. Why do some posts jump the queue, appearing to imply the moderator is being selective in releasing some, yet not others? Do we need some more moderators? Yes. Currently the only moderators for -announce are Marc and Greg S-M. And me, and devrim and a number of others. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
And me, and devrim and a number of others. Hmmm. Yet nothing seems to get approved unless I personal e-mail Marc. Why? -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
I don't moderate -announce. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ PostgreSQL DBA @ Akinon/Markafoni, Red Hat Certified Engineer devrim~gunduz.org, devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/devrimgunduz 17.Haz.2010 tarihinde 00:58 saatinde, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com şunları yazdı: On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 10:34 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Why is there significant delay on important posts, yet some posts go almost straight though? Every time I use Announce my posts are delayed for about 4-5 days. Why do some posts jump the queue, appearing to imply the moderator is being selective in releasing some, yet not others? Do we need some more moderators? Yes. Currently the only moderators for -announce are Marc and Greg S-M. And me, and devrim and a number of others. Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 15:01 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: And me, and devrim and a number of others. Hmmm. Yet nothing seems to get approved unless I personal e-mail Marc. Why? I approved stuff today and yesterday. I didn't the week before because I was in Chicago. I also normally don't moderate on the weekends. I was the one that approved the PGXN email for example. Joshua D. Drake -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 01:17 +0300, Devrim GUNDUZ wrote: I don't moderate -announce. Sorry. I thought you did. JD -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
Hmmm. Yet nothing seems to get approved unless I personal e-mail Marc. Why? I approved stuff today and yesterday. I didn't the week before because I was in Chicago. I also normally don't moderate on the weekends. I was the one that approved the PGXN email for example. This week isn't special. Stuff going to -announce frequently gets held for days. I know, people bug me about getting it approved. So there's clearly an issue either with the number of moderators, their time zones, or coordination. I'm thinking I need to be on the moderator list just because I'm one of the people who get personal e-mail when something is delayed. However, that *won't* solve the delay issue; I already moderate 3 other lists and won't be very attentive. -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
Re: ANNOUNCE list (was Re: [HACKERS] New PGXN Extension site)
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 16:08 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Hmmm. Yet nothing seems to get approved unless I personal e-mail Marc. Why? I approved stuff today and yesterday. I didn't the week before because I was in Chicago. I also normally don't moderate on the weekends. I was the one that approved the PGXN email for example. This week isn't special. Stuff going to -announce frequently gets held for days. I know, people bug me about getting it approved. So there's clearly an issue either with the number of moderators, their time zones, or coordination. I am not arguing delays here. :) I am just saying that I regularly moderate but there are rules around my moderation just like anyone else. I like Tatuso's idea. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- PostgreSQL.org Major Contributor Command Prompt, Inc: http://www.commandprompt.com/ - 503.667.4564 Consulting, Training, Support, Custom Development, Engineering -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
