Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

[Dimitris Chloupis]

Discord has video conference as part of the plans

https://mobile.twitter.com/discordapp/status/746540447586263040

The problem I see with having more than 10 people is latency. Just a 1 sec
latency is enough to make people talk one on top of each other, in real
life things are even worse when you consider how many people are on a slow
connection or problematic connection.

Frankly I think chat is better, Blender has a meeting once a week to
synchronize effort with over 10 devs participating at the same time. Their
meeting are public but instruct the people not to chat while the meeting
takes place unless they are blender developers.

This method has worked for them for almost 20 years now.

On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 at 10:50, philippe.b...@highoctane.be <
philippe.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not true.
>
> Terf experience would help in focusing the meeting and make it like a real
> assembly.
>
> We could take a conference theater with podium etc to make it work.
>
> I can help facilitating.
>
> And we can make an intro video to explain to people how they could just
> sit their avatar to listen, raise the issues and use the chat or share a
> window.
> And go to the lectern to expose something.
>
> We can also screenrecord it all for reference and post it back to youtube
> as a private video.
>
> Phil
>
> Le 9 sept. 2016 09:25, "Norbert Hartl"  a écrit :
>
> Well, on the one hand this would be super cool. On the other hand nobody
> will listen to the meeting because everyone's playing with terf :)
>
> Norbert
> > Am 09.09.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Ron Teitelbaum :
> >
> > Terf?  www.3dicc.com
> >
> > Ron Teitelbaum
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of
> Esteban Lorenzano
> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM
> > To: Pharo Development List
> > Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video
> conference service?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public
> meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others).
> > So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10
> persons participating (this limit is annoying).
> > Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections
> (paying), but now I do not find it… maybe I was mistaken?
> > Do you have any other service we can try?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Esteban
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

[philippe.b...@highoctane.be]

Not true.

Terf experience would help in focusing the meeting and make it like a real
assembly.

We could take a conference theater with podium etc to make it work.

I can help facilitating.

And we can make an intro video to explain to people how they could just sit
their avatar to listen, raise the issues and use the chat or share a window.
And go to the lectern to expose something.

We can also screenrecord it all for reference and post it back to youtube
as a private video.

Phil

Le 9 sept. 2016 09:25, "Norbert Hartl"  a écrit :

Well, on the one hand this would be super cool. On the other hand nobody
will listen to the meeting because everyone's playing with terf :)

Norbert
> Am 09.09.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Ron Teitelbaum :
>
> Terf?  www.3dicc.com
>
> Ron Teitelbaum
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of
Esteban Lorenzano
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM
> To: Pharo Development List
> Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video
conference service?
>
> Hi,
>
> In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public
meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others).
> So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10
persons participating (this limit is annoying).
> Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections
(paying), but now I do not find it… maybe I was mistaken?
> Do you have any other service we can try?
>
> Thanks,
> Esteban
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

[philippe.b...@highoctane.be]

Why are we not using 3DICC Terf for these?

Would work wonderfully.

We can have a persistent area, sound and webcam support, slides, 

Ron, how would it work cost wise for the Pharo Consortium to handle
meetings in your servers?

Phil

Le 9 sept. 2016 09:25, "Norbert Hartl"  a écrit :

> Well, on the one hand this would be super cool. On the other hand nobody
> will listen to the meeting because everyone's playing with terf :)
>
> Norbert
> > Am 09.09.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Ron Teitelbaum :
> >
> > Terf?  www.3dicc.com
> >
> > Ron Teitelbaum
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of
> Esteban Lorenzano
> > Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM
> > To: Pharo Development List
> > Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video
> conference service?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public
> meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others).
> > So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10
> persons participating (this limit is annoying).
> > Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections
> (paying), but now I do not find it… maybe I was mistaken?
> > Do you have any other service we can try?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Esteban
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

[Norbert Hartl]

Well, on the one hand this would be super cool. On the other hand nobody will 
listen to the meeting because everyone's playing with terf :)

Norbert
> Am 09.09.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Ron Teitelbaum :
> 
> Terf?  www.3dicc.com 
> 
> Ron Teitelbaum
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of 
> Esteban Lorenzano
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM
> To: Pharo Development List
> Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference 
> service?
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public 
> meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). 
> So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 
> persons participating (this limit is annoying). 
> Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections 
> (paying), but now I do not find it… maybe I was mistaken? 
> Do you have any other service we can try? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Esteban
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

[Esteban Lorenzano]

I would like to test terf, yes :)

> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:51, Ron Teitelbaum  wrote:
> 
> Terf?  www.3dicc.com 
> 
> Ron Teitelbaum
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of 
> Esteban Lorenzano
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM
> To: Pharo Development List
> Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference 
> service?
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public 
> meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). 
> So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 
> persons participating (this limit is annoying). 
> Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections 
> (paying), but now I do not find it… maybe I was mistaken? 
> Do you have any other service we can try? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Esteban
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

[Esteban Lorenzano]

yeah, we are willing to pay… not immense amounts, but the consortium can pay 
for having better meetings ;)

Esteban

> On 09 Sep 2016, at 08:54, Norbert Hartl  wrote:
> 
> In the commercial world WebEx is quite prominent. No idea what they offer for 
> free.
> 
> https://www.webex.com/ 
> 
> But then usually only three or four people say anything. Should be a while to 
> reach the limit. :)
> 
> Norbert
> Am 09.09.2016 um 08:46 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano  >:
> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public 
>> meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). 
>> So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 
>> persons participating (this limit is annoying). 
>> Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections 
>> (paying), but now I do not find it… maybe I was mistaken? 
>> Do you have any other service we can try? 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> Esteban

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

[Norbert Hartl]

In the commercial world WebEx is quite prominent. No idea what they offer for 
free.

https://www.webex.com/

But then usually only three or four people say anything. Should be a while to 
reach the limit. :)

Norbert
> Am 09.09.2016 um 08:46 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano :
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public 
> meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). 
> So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 
> persons participating (this limit is annoying). 
> Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections 
> (paying), but now I do not find it… maybe I was mistaken? 
> Do you have any other service we can try? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Esteban

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference service?

[Ron Teitelbaum]

Terf?  www.3dicc.com 

Ron Teitelbaum

-Original Message-
From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Esteban 
Lorenzano
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:47 AM
To: Pharo Development List
Subject: [Pharo-dev] [OFF-TOPIC] looking for your wisdom... video conference 
service?

Hi, 

In the board we decided that we need to have a better support for public 
meetings (particularly for consortium meetings but also for others). 
So we wanted to explore other services that would allow is more than 10 persons 
participating (this limit is annoying). 
Now, I know google hangouts was able to provide more than 10 connections 
(paying), but now I do not find it… maybe I was mistaken? 
Do you have any other service we can try? 

Thanks, 
Esteban