Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning up... baseClass, instanceSide, theNonMetaclass

2018-02-13 Thread Stephane Ducasse 
xkcd so to the point. So we will kill two and keep one.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ben Coman  wrote:

> I found it quite insightful when I read someone describe that the way
> Smalltalk uses Classes is essentially the Factory Pattern.
> That makes me wonder whether classClass and classSide of a class might
> confuse newcomers
> and maybe factorySide of a class would make more sense.
>
> The again...
> https://xkcd.com/927/
>
> cheers -ben
>
>
> On 12 February 2018 at 16:45, Guillermo Polito 
> wrote:
>
>> In my code I use to use instanceSide and classSide. don't know why.
>> Maybe they are clearer to me?
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Denis Kudriashov 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2018-02-11 18:14 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse :
>>>
 Hi

 We already got this discussion and I plan to address it.
 Now I discovered that in addition to instanceSide and theNonMetaclass
 we have

 - classClass and baseClass
 - theMetaclass and theNonMetaclass
 - instanceSide and classSide

 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20941/deprecate-theMetacla
 ss-and-the-theNonMeta

 Even if instanceSide and classSide come from UI concerns I think that
 there are much
 better than the others.

>>>
>>> + 100
>>>
>>>

 So have you any concerns and prefer one of the other couples? Because
 we should stop
 accumulate cruft in the system. We do not need three ways to do the
 same.

 Stef


>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Guille Polito
>>
>> Research Engineer
>>
>> Centre de Recherche en Informatique, Signal et Automatique de Lille
>>
>> CRIStAL - UMR 9189
>>
>> French National Center for Scientific Research - *http://www.cnrs.fr
>> *
>>
>>
>> *Web:* *http://guillep.github.io* 
>>
>> *Phone: *+33 06 52 70 66 13 <+33%206%2052%2070%2066%2013>
>>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning up... baseClass, instanceSide, theNonMetaclass

2018-02-12 Thread Ben Coman 
I found it quite insightful when I read someone describe that the way
Smalltalk uses Classes is essentially the Factory Pattern.
That makes me wonder whether classClass and classSide of a class might
confuse newcomers
and maybe factorySide of a class would make more sense.

The again...
https://xkcd.com/927/

cheers -ben


On 12 February 2018 at 16:45, Guillermo Polito 
wrote:

> In my code I use to use instanceSide and classSide. don't know why. Maybe
> they are clearer to me?
>
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Denis Kudriashov 
> wrote:
>
>> 2018-02-11 18:14 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse :
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> We already got this discussion and I plan to address it.
>>> Now I discovered that in addition to instanceSide and theNonMetaclass we
>>> have
>>>
>>> - classClass and baseClass
>>> - theMetaclass and theNonMetaclass
>>> - instanceSide and classSide
>>>
>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20941/deprecate-theMetacla
>>> ss-and-the-theNonMeta
>>>
>>> Even if instanceSide and classSide come from UI concerns I think that
>>> there are much
>>> better than the others.
>>>
>>
>> + 100
>>
>>
>>>
>>> So have you any concerns and prefer one of the other couples? Because
>>> we should stop
>>> accumulate cruft in the system. We do not need three ways to do the same.
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Guille Polito
>
> Research Engineer
>
> Centre de Recherche en Informatique, Signal et Automatique de Lille
>
> CRIStAL - UMR 9189
>
> French National Center for Scientific Research - *http://www.cnrs.fr
> *
>
>
> *Web:* *http://guillep.github.io* 
>
> *Phone: *+33 06 52 70 66 13 <+33%206%2052%2070%2066%2013>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning up... baseClass, instanceSide, theNonMetaclass

2018-02-12 Thread Guillermo Polito 
In my code I use to use instanceSide and classSide. don't know why. Maybe
they are clearer to me?

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Denis Kudriashov 
wrote:

> 2018-02-11 18:14 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse :
>
>> Hi
>>
>> We already got this discussion and I plan to address it.
>> Now I discovered that in addition to instanceSide and theNonMetaclass we
>> have
>>
>> - classClass and baseClass
>> - theMetaclass and theNonMetaclass
>> - instanceSide and classSide
>>
>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20941/deprecate-theMetacla
>> ss-and-the-theNonMeta
>>
>> Even if instanceSide and classSide come from UI concerns I think that
>> there are much
>> better than the others.
>>
>
> + 100
>
>
>>
>> So have you any concerns and prefer one of the other couples? Because
>> we should stop
>> accumulate cruft in the system. We do not need three ways to do the same.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>


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Research Engineer

Centre de Recherche en Informatique, Signal et Automatique de Lille

CRIStAL - UMR 9189

French National Center for Scientific Research - *http://www.cnrs.fr
*


*Web:* *http://guillep.github.io* 

*Phone: *+33 06 52 70 66 13

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning up... baseClass, instanceSide, theNonMetaclass

2018-02-11 Thread Denis Kudriashov 
2018-02-11 18:14 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse :

> Hi
>
> We already got this discussion and I plan to address it.
> Now I discovered that in addition to instanceSide and theNonMetaclass we
> have
>
> - classClass and baseClass
> - theMetaclass and theNonMetaclass
> - instanceSide and classSide
>
> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20941/deprecate-theMetaclass-and-the-
> theNonMeta
>
> Even if instanceSide and classSide come from UI concerns I think that
> there are much
> better than the others.
>

+ 100


>
> So have you any concerns and prefer one of the other couples? Because
> we should stop
> accumulate cruft in the system. We do not need three ways to do the same.
>
> Stef
>
>