Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[Esteban Lorenzano]

> On 22 Sep 2017, at 10:01, stephan  wrote:
> 
> On 22-09-17 09:25, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>> In response to my:
>>> You cannot use pattern 2 with shared repos.
>> 
>> yes you can.
>> shared repo is a suggestion, you can always chose to add a project from 
>> another place.
> 
> Yes, so that makes pattern 2 practically impossible?

why? is perfectly possible. 

> Where am I going wrong?
> I create an image with a certain repo, checkout a branch.
> 6 months later I reopen the image and need to bring it up to date.

yes, then you fetch and update… again, what’s the problem? there is something 
I’m missing about your reasoning :(

> For that I need to look at a few other images, having different 
> versions/branches. I then need to create as many clones of the repo as I have 
> images I need to compare, open them, switch their repos to the right clone 
> and switch to the right branch and version.

why? 
you can compare branches inside same image… and even switch to them and reload. 
This will not work for pharo itself (because of initialisation order), but it 
will work on other projects. 
one thing I want to add is a “reload on baseline order” option on baseline 
plugin… so you can update your system following a baseline.

Esteban

> 
> Stephan
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[stephan]

On 22-09-17 09:25, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

In response to my:

You cannot use pattern 2 with shared repos.


yes you can.
shared repo is a suggestion, you can always chose to add a project from another 
place.


Yes, so that makes pattern 2 practically impossible?
Where am I going wrong?
I create an image with a certain repo, checkout a branch.
6 months later I reopen the image and need to bring it up to date.
For that I need to look at a few other images, having different 
versions/branches. I then need to create as many clones of the repo as I 
have images I need to compare, open them, switch their repos to the 
right clone and switch to the right branch and version.


Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[Esteban Lorenzano]

> On 22 Sep 2017, at 09:20, Esteban Lorenzano  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 21 Sep 2017, at 20:08, stephan  wrote:
>> 
>> On 21-09-17 18:54, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>> I do not understand what is the problem.
>>> You have different approaches:
>>> 1) you work always on same branch (even if you “jump” from branchs): like 
>>> today I work on “issue-1” and tomorrow on “issue-2”. You just switch 
>>> branchs on your iceberg tool and that’s all.
>>> 2) you work on different branchs at same time and you do not want to switch 
>>> branches all the time. Then you just have two clones and points to this 
>>> different clones.
>>> in general, I’m working on different branches all the time (pharo branches, 
>>> so big projects) and I prefer to use pattern (1), but you can also use 
>>> pattern (2)… as I said… I do not understand what is the problem :)
>> 
>> You cannot use pattern 2 with shared repos.
> 
> yes you can.
> shared repo is a suggestion, you can always chose to add a project from 
> another place.

btw… 
- metacello #lock function should work to “lock” projects to other directions 
than url in baseline. I just don’t know exactly how it works since I never did 
it myself.
- iceberg itself should not re-clone a project you already have in your 
registry. That means if you have project A who depends on project B, and you 
are working on a branch of B, if you load B first, iceberg will take that 
version instead the one declared in baseline (I made this at ESUG, because 
seaside development requires it).

Esteban

> 
> Esteban
> 
>> 
>> Stephan
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Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[Esteban Lorenzano]

> On 21 Sep 2017, at 20:08, stephan  wrote:
> 
> On 21-09-17 18:54, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>> I do not understand what is the problem.
>> You have different approaches:
>> 1) you work always on same branch (even if you “jump” from branchs): like 
>> today I work on “issue-1” and tomorrow on “issue-2”. You just switch branchs 
>> on your iceberg tool and that’s all.
>> 2) you work on different branchs at same time and you do not want to switch 
>> branches all the time. Then you just have two clones and points to this 
>> different clones.
>> in general, I’m working on different branches all the time (pharo branches, 
>> so big projects) and I prefer to use pattern (1), but you can also use 
>> pattern (2)… as I said… I do not understand what is the problem :)
> 
> You cannot use pattern 2 with shared repos.

yes you can.
shared repo is a suggestion, you can always chose to add a project from another 
place.

Esteban

> 
> Stephan
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[stephan]

On 21-09-17 18:54, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:

I do not understand what is the problem.
You have different approaches:

1) you work always on same branch (even if you “jump” from branchs): like today 
I work on “issue-1” and tomorrow on “issue-2”. You just switch branchs on your 
iceberg tool and that’s all.
2) you work on different branchs at same time and you do not want to switch 
branches all the time. Then you just have two clones and points to this 
different clones.

in general, I’m working on different branches all the time (pharo branches, so 
big projects) and I prefer to use pattern (1), but you can also use pattern 
(2)… as I said… I do not understand what is the problem :)


You cannot use pattern 2 with shared repos.

Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[Esteban Lorenzano]

I do not understand what is the problem. 
You have different approaches: 

1) you work always on same branch (even if you “jump” from branchs): like today 
I work on “issue-1” and tomorrow on “issue-2”. You just switch branchs on your 
iceberg tool and that’s all. 
2) you work on different branchs at same time and you do not want to switch 
branches all the time. Then you just have two clones and points to this 
different clones. 

in general, I’m working on different branches all the time (pharo branches, so 
big projects) and I prefer to use pattern (1), but you can also use pattern 
(2)… as I said… I do not understand what is the problem :)

Esteban

> On 21 Sep 2017, at 18:33, Sean P. DeNigris  wrote:
> 
> Stephan Eggermont-3 wrote
>> The problem with that is that nearly none of the power users have such a 
>> workflow.
> 
> I assume that's why it's a setting ;)
> 
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Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[Sean P. DeNigris]

Stephan Eggermont-3 wrote
> The problem with that is that nearly none of the power users have such a 
> workflow.

I assume that's why it's a setting ;)



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Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[stephan]

On 21-09-17 16:07, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

Stephan Eggermont-3 wrote

I'm not quite sure how that share repos works.


My understanding is that it only works for certain straightforward
workflows. Luckily, my guess is that many if not most users have such a
workflow (e.g. single contributor/user projects where everything is
committed to master)


The problem with that is that nearly none of the power users have such a 
workflow. That is what killed versionner. And also for single 
contributor you need to compare with old versions regularly


Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[Sean P. DeNigris]

Stephan Eggermont-3 wrote
> I'm not quite sure how that share repos works.

My understanding is that it only works for certain straightforward
workflows. Luckily, my guess is that many if not most users have such a
workflow (e.g. single contributor/user projects where everything is
committed to master)



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Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[stephan]

On 21-09-17 03:40, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

Stephan Eggermont-3 wrote

Is that shared with multiple images?


There is already a setting to share repos (actually to set a default repo
root folder). This setting would just be for where the packages live
relative to the git root folder of that particular repo (e.g. ./src,
./repository, etc). Also, you'd still be able to alter it, I'm just talking
about the default value in the "Add local repo" dialog.


I'm not quite sure how that share repos works. I normally have many 
images open that use different versions of shared repos. Git repos only 
have one current version.


Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[Sean P. DeNigris]

Stephan Eggermont-3 wrote
> Is that shared with multiple images?

There is already a setting to share repos (actually to set a default repo
root folder). This setting would just be for where the packages live
relative to the git root folder of that particular repo (e.g. ./src,
./repository, etc). Also, you'd still be able to alter it, I'm just talking
about the default value in the "Add local repo" dialog.



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Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg Default Subdirectory Setting?

[Stephan Eggermont]

On 20/09/17 23:50, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

I always put my packages in gitroot/repository per instructions I read when I
was starting with FT (Dale's IIRC). It's a (minor) drag to type that every
time I add a local git repo. How would y'all feel about a setting?


Is that shared with multiple images? How do you deal with needing 
different branches of the same repo?


Stephan