[Phono-L] Victor III parts needed
Hello from a new member. Can anyone tell me if I can find original parts for my Victor III? I didn't do my homework before buying my phonograph and have since learned it has some obvious reproduction parts. The back-bracket plate found on the inside of the machine is new as are the bolts. The elbow clip and elbow clip screw are new. I am not so sure about the turntable. It has new felt but I don't know if it is a repro. How can I tell? Thanks for your help. Charlie ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] The M Electric that got away... was Craigslist Rant
All of these tales of broken deals takes me back to 1964 when a local phonograph dealer had about 80% of an Edison M electric in pieces in a wooden box. I had made a list of all the missing parts and had even gone to the trouble of making them by copying them precisely measured from an original machine in the Ward Harris Collection. I hounded the dealer for almost a year when he finally called me and asked for an offer. I told him I would pay him the then fantastic sum of $600 and he jumped at the deal. This was on a Wednesday evening and I told him I would be over on Saturday with crisp new bills in payment. Remember this was when a Standard or Home was $25. Upon arriving on Saturday he informed me he had traded the box of M parts for a Victor II from a guy over in the Sacramento area. I asked him why he hadn't honored our agreement and he gave a lame answer that, I didn't think you were serious. I never dealt with him again. The rest of the local collectors community also eventually grew tired of him. Even his wife finally left him. Fast forward to 2008 and that box of parts plus 40+ years of added rust came my way for $200... As for the Victor II it also came to me in the mid 1980s via a roundabout series of trades between local collectors... The moral of the story is to trust karma to deliver to he who waits and lives long enough! ! ! Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
Yes, it's Bagshaw. They've been making them since the early 1900s. But here's the catch --- you've got to buy A LOT, I mean A LOT -- and they won't be in little bags. So, it's a big expense and a lot of work. For most people it's too big a project, but go to www.whbagshaw.com Regards to all, Tim Fabrizio www.phonophan.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
They would be Bagshaw in Nashua NH or Dean in CT. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:50 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hello all I seem to remember hearing about a needle manufacturer in the US that still makes them and has for decades..anyone remember who it is? I am seeking to buy needles wholesale. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor III parts needed
I'm not aware of anyone making turntables. George Vollema is a great source for original parts in general. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Staab Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:14 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor III parts needed Hello from a new member. Can anyone tell me if I can find original parts for my Victor III? I didn't do my homework before buying my phonograph and have since learned it has some obvious reproduction parts. The back-bracket plate found on the inside of the machine is new as are the bolts. The elbow clip and elbow clip screw are new. I am not so sure about the turntable. It has new felt but I don't know if it is a repro. How can I tell? Thanks for your help. Charlie ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] The M Electric that got away... was Craigslist Rant
Hi Al ~ Wasn't it Edison who said Everything comes to he who hustles while he waits? Apparently you had a busy 40 years! Best regards and thanks for this engaging story. Andy Baron PS: Did you still have your parts copies? On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:23 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: All of these tales of broken deals takes me back to 1964 when a local phonograph dealer had about 80% of an Edison M electric in pieces in a wooden box. I had made a list of all the missing parts and had even gone to the trouble of making them by copying them precisely measured from an original machine in the Ward Harris Collection. I hounded the dealer for almost a year when he finally called me and asked for an offer. I told him I would pay him the then fantastic sum of $600 and he jumped at the deal. This was on a Wednesday evening and I told him I would be over on Saturday with crisp new bills in payment. Remember this was when a Standard or Home was $25. Upon arriving on Saturday he informed me he had traded the box of M parts for a Victor II from a guy over in the Sacramento area. I asked him why he hadn't honored our agreement and he gave a lame answer that, I didn't think you were serious. I never dealt with him again. The rest of the local collectors community also eventually grew tired of him. Even his wife finally left him. Fast forward to 2008 and that box of parts plus 40+ years of added rust came my way for $200... As for the Victor II it also came to me in the mid 1980s via a roundabout series of trades between local collectors... The moral of the story is to trust karma to deliver to he who waits and lives long enough! ! ! Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
Hi I didn't see them on the site, but the president wrote back to tell me they do make them and asking the quantity I would want.. Where can I get 1 of 2 or 3 sizes at a reasonable price? Thanks John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:17:28 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Yes, it's Bagshaw. They've been making them since the early 1900s. But here's the catch --- you've got to buy A LOT, I mean A LOT -- and they won't be in little bags. So, it's a big expense and a lot of work. For most people it's too big a project, but go to www.whbagshaw.com Regards to all, Tim Fabrizio www.phonophan.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
Thank you Ron! --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Sent: Apr 15, 2010 5:40 AM They would be Bagshaw in Nashua NH or Dean in CT. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:50 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hello all I seem to remember hearing about a needle manufacturer in the US that still makes them and has for decades..anyone remember who it is? I am seeking to buy needles wholesale. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
Antique Phonograph supply would be the best bet. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:28 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hi I didn't see them on the site, but the president wrote back to tell me they do make them and asking the quantity I would want.. Where can I get 1 of 2 or 3 sizes at a reasonable price? Thanks John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:17:28 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Yes, it's Bagshaw. They've been making them since the early 1900s. But here's the catch --- you've got to buy A LOT, I mean A LOT -- and they won't be in little bags. So, it's a big expense and a lot of work. For most people it's too big a project, but go to www.whbagshaw.com Regards to all, Tim Fabrizio www.phonophan.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] All the modern Steel needle manufacturers I know of
Dean, John M., Inc. 26 Mechanics St., P.O. Box 924-TR Putnam, CT 06260 USA Tel: 860-928-7701 Product Description Textile Industrial Pins, Pointed Wire Products, Pins Needles, Wire Pins, Tapered Wire Products, Knurled Threaded Pins Points Dean still makes needles. BOHIN INDUSTRIE Le Bourg - 61300 Saint Sulpice sur Risle - FRANCE Tel. : 33 (2) 33 84 16 00 Fax : 33 (2) 33 24 20 41 E-mail : cont...@bohin-industrie.fr Bohin still makes needles. Pfanstiehl Corporation Acquired by L.K.G. Industries, Inc. Philmore-Datak / LKG Industries, Inc. 3660 Publishers Drive Rockford, IL 61109 USA Waukegan, IL Pfanstiehl Corp. a leader in the replacement needle phonograph cartridge, audio, video, telephone and auto sound accessory business since 1919 has been purchased by L.K.G. Industries, Inc. of Rockford, Illinois. L.K.G. Industries is relocating the Pfanstiehl facility to its Rockford, IL plant. I do not know if Pfanstiehl still makes needles. Bry-O-Phonic 802-748-9264 M F B phone number $1.79 per pack of 100 shipping 40 cents first pack, 25 cents each additional pack 10 packs no shipping. He sells on eBay. Dean is where Martin got his Bry-O-Phonic needles, he said Dean had a place in the company where all the needle packs were for the companies that they had made needles for when 78’s were being made. LAUBSCHER PRAZISION AG Hauptstrasse 101 Postfach 180 CH-2575 Tauffelen Made needles into the 1980’s at least, they were currently selling off stock when I contacted them a years ago. |aaron.bags...@whbagshaw.com| 1 Pine Street, Box 766 Nashua, NH 03060 call: 800.343.7467 or 603.883.7758 fx: 603.882.2641 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
Dwayne Wyatt has a good price on quantities of 1000+ From: lhera...@bu.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:00:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Antique Phonograph supply would be the best bet. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:28 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hi I didn't see them on the site, but the president wrote back to tell me they do make them and asking the quantity I would want.. Where can I get 1 of 2 or 3 sizes at a reasonable price? Thanks John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:17:28 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Yes, it's Bagshaw. They've been making them since the early 1900s. But here's the catch --- you've got to buy A LOT, I mean A LOT -- and they won't be in little bags. So, it's a big expense and a lot of work. For most people it's too big a project, but go to www.whbagshaw.com Regards to all, Tim Fabrizio www.phonophan.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
Some years ago I bought steel needles from Pfanstiehl but then began buying from the New Amberola Phonograph Company which following a telephone call to place an order after which I sent payment three years ago failed to send the needles cash the cheques I'd sent, despite several follow up letters I've writtenI'd like to know of a good current source of needles also since I'm about sold out continue to have the occassional request from customers. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 14-Apr-2010 11:49:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hello all I seem to remember hearing about a needle manufacturer in the US that still makes them and has for decades..anyone remember who it is? I am seeking to buy needles wholesale. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] executive ediphone
hello my name is dan and i'm an old crank and this is my story. i know this site is primarily devoted to phonograph's but i did notice that there was a discussion on ediphone's a little while back. so i figure this will be the best place to get the answers and help that i need. first i want to apologize as this may seem a bit long winded. so here is my story. back in January of this year i had gotten into the hobby of buying,selling and collecting old toys cars and trucks namely. while at an estate sale looking for toys i came across a phonograph (sonora troubador in pretty rough shape). i didn't know a thing about them but have always been intrigued by them and always wanted one so i bought it knowing i could at least make a quick buck on it. so as i was leaving the sale i noticed this office machine thing. kinda had an idea of what it was but not sure so i figured i could probably make a buck on it too. so i bought it as well. now as I'm driving home I'm thinking to myself what possible excuse do i have to explain to the mrs of why i needed these since i had gone there looking for toys. anyway i get home take this office mach. put it in a cupboard to deal with later as i have a phonograph to clean up and sell. so as I'm cleaning up the sonora i say to myself i could probably get more for it if i removed all the tarnish from the chrome, sanded it down a bit patch up the big ding on the door and all the other little dents. a fresh coat of varnish and some new felt for the turntable it should look pretty good . two weeks later I'm finished and looking at this beautiful machine (if i don't say so myself) and say i can't sell this. because for $100.00 cdn and two weeks worth of elbow grease i now own a beautiful piece of 95 year old history in excellent working condition. and on the odd occasion if I'm feeling a bit down i slap on some glenn miller (in the mood) and that just picks me up. now about a two months later i remember oh yeah the office machine thing. i take it out of hiding look at it and say to myself was i drinking when i bought this i thought the phonograph was in rough shape. after i did all the google searches to find out exactly what it is and how it works. the first snag i ran into was when i noticed that the motor and mounting bracket are missing next i noticed there is no power cord and the mouth piece that screws onto the hand set is also gone. so now I'm looking at this ediphone (i know what it is now) saying to myself I'll be lucky if i can get my thirty bucks back that i paid for it. now i have a decision to make sell it as is or try to find whats missing and see if i can't get it to work. of course i never take the easy road so i start searching for a motor and mounting bracket and find one. now this part i find a bit uncanny.when recv'd the motor and bracket i tried fitting it to the bedplate and found that where the wires had been cut to disconnect the motor they match up perfectly to the wires that are inside the case. it would almost seem that this motor and bracket came from this machine. (coincidence probably ?) now that i have cleared the first major hurdle the next is wax cylinders I'll never know if this thing works if i don't have the wax cylinders to try it out. low and behold if i don't come across a case of unused cylinders and two single ones. now I'm getting pretty excited about this except that when i look at the machine it looks gross. the black paint is quite dull the chrome is anything but shiny and the entire unit feels sticky. so i dismantle everything that i felt confident enough to put back together and start cleaning. the first thing i did was remove and clean the chrome mandrel. wow did it ever come out nice and it was at that point when i looked at the mandrel and the rest of the machine that i thought i just might have another beautiful machine here and i was right. after i finished cleaning and putting it back together it looks awesome aside from a few scratches it is in excellent condition. so now here i am today asking for your help in finding a power cord and mouth piece. possibly one other piece that i am unsure what it may be as i noticed it looks like something may have been mounted under the bed plate about two inches from the ac/dc switch. does anyone on this site know where i may be able to get a power cord and mouth piece, also would anyone here have a picture of the underside of a complete exec.ediphone to see if i am missing anything else or i could upload a picture of mine and perhaps someone could tell me if it is complete or not. also i am in need of some instructions on how to operate this. i would like to use one of the two single cylinders that i have for testing purposes only. one of the cylinders is an edison ediphone cylinder it is unused but the color of it is what has me concerned the dark brown has turned light brown over most of the cylinder. so i am unsure if it would safe to try without damaging the reproducer. the other
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
I bought needles from APSCO in the past but I didn't like them. Under a magnifier the surfaces were very rough and I didn't like the sound. They may have changed suppliers since, however. It was convenient that they were prepackaged though. I'd give them another try. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:08:39 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? I have bought tickets from APSCO and they have been very reliable. http://www.antiquephono.com/ Dan On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.netwrote: Some years ago I bought steel needles from Pfanstiehl but then began buying from the New Amberola Phonograph Company which following a telephone call to place an order after which I sent payment three years ago failed to send the needles cash the cheques I'd sent, despite several follow up letters I've writtenI'd like to know of a good current source of needles also since I'm about sold out continue to have the occassional request from customers. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 14-Apr-2010 11:49:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hello all I seem to remember hearing about a needle manufacturer in the US that still makes them and has for decades..anyone remember who it is? I am seeking to buy needles wholesale. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
The quote from Bagshaw for 20,000 was 1700.00, or 8.00 plus cost per hundred. Not competitive at all. I see you would have to buy tons to compete with these $5 per hundred sellers. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:17:28 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Yes, it's Bagshaw. They've been making them since the early 1900s. But here's the catch --- you've got to buy A LOT, I mean A LOT -- and they won't be in little bags. So, it's a big expense and a lot of work. For most people it's too big a project, but go to www.whbagshaw.com Regards to all, Tim Fabrizio www.phonophan.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
I observe a difference in shape between antique/original phono needles, and newly manufactured ones. The antique needles I've found are slightly longer, and are tapered along the full length of the needle - a true needle shape. The newly manufactured ones are somewhat shorter, and are not tapered apart from the cone tip - they are more of a brad shape. I sure do like the look of the old long tapered needle when I use one from time to time. Anyone know if any of these manufacturers that have been mentioned still make the old-school style needles that are tapered along the full length? To my un-aided ear, I can't tell a difference in the sound of an old needle versus a new needle, but I am sure on some micro-level there is a difference. Just as the varying size of a soft tone versus a full tone needle makes a difference, the varying shapes of antique versus new needles, and also difference in the old-versus-new steel alloys, must affect the vibrational sensitivity of the needle, and thereby ultimately have an effect on the sound. So even if the difference in sound is not perceptible to me, I still find it more satisfying to use an antique needle. Lol - maybe I'm the only one for whom these pedantic details matter! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Melvin Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:09 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? I have bought tickets from APSCO and they have been very reliable. http://www.antiquephono.com/ Dan On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.netwrote: Some years ago I bought steel needles from Pfanstiehl but then began buying from the New Amberola Phonograph Company which following a telephone call to place an order after which I sent payment three years ago failed to send the needles cash the cheques I'd sent, despite several follow up letters I've writtenI'd like to know of a good current source of needles also since I'm about sold out continue to have the occassional request from customers. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 14-Apr-2010 11:49:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hello all I seem to remember hearing about a needle manufacturer in the US that still makes them and has for decades..anyone remember who it is? I am seeking to buy needles wholesale. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
Not the only one. Andy Baron On Apr 15, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD) wrote: I observe a difference in shape between antique/original phono needles, and newly manufactured ones. The antique needles I've found are slightly longer, and are tapered along the full length of the needle - a true needle shape. The newly manufactured ones are somewhat shorter, and are not tapered apart from the cone tip - they are more of a brad shape. I sure do like the look of the old long tapered needle when I use one from time to time. Anyone know if any of these manufacturers that have been mentioned still make the old-school style needles that are tapered along the full length? To my un-aided ear, I can't tell a difference in the sound of an old needle versus a new needle, but I am sure on some micro-level there is a difference. Just as the varying size of a soft tone versus a full tone needle makes a difference, the varying shapes of antique versus new needles, and also difference in the old-versus-new steel alloys, must affect the vibrational sensitivity of the needle, and thereby ultimately have an effect on the sound. So even if the difference in sound is not perceptible to me, I still find it more satisfying to use an antique needle. Lol - maybe I'm the only one for whom these pedantic details matter! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of Daniel Melvin Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:09 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? I have bought tickets from APSCO and they have been very reliable. http://www.antiquephono.com/ Dan On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.netwrote: Some years ago I bought steel needles from Pfanstiehl but then began buying from the New Amberola Phonograph Company which following a telephone call to place an order after which I sent payment three years ago failed to send the needles cash the cheques I'd sent, despite several follow up letters I've writtenI'd like to know of a good current source of needles also since I'm about sold out continue to have the occassional request from customers. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 14-Apr-2010 11:49:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hello all I seem to remember hearing about a needle manufacturer in the US that still makes them and has for decades..anyone remember who it is? I am seeking to buy needles wholesale. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Need Harmony parts
i need the speed indicator and speed control lever for a Harmony disc plaver. Also could use the winding pawl and its mounting screw for same machine. These parts are used on other machines ie. Monark columbia with post and plate motors. DON AC7PD ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] All the modern Steel needle manufacturers I know of
This is a timely discussion. I have just finished an article for the June Sound Box (California Antique Phonograph Society) on the John M. Dean company. It has details and photos of the manufacturing process a century ago. The process has not changed much in 100 years. On ThursdayApril 15, 2010, at April1520109:15 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Dean, John M., Inc. 26 Mechanics St., P.O. Box 924-TR Putnam, CT 06260 USA Tel: 860-928-7701 Product Description Textile Industrial Pins, Pointed Wire Products, Pins Needles, Wire Pins, Tapered Wire Products, Knurled Threaded Pins Points Dean still makes needles. BOHIN INDUSTRIE Le Bourg - 61300 Saint Sulpice sur Risle - FRANCE Tel. : 33 (2) 33 84 16 00 Fax : 33 (2) 33 24 20 41 E-mail : cont...@bohin-industrie.fr Bohin still makes needles. Pfanstiehl Corporation Acquired by L.K.G. Industries, Inc. Philmore-Datak / LKG Industries, Inc. 3660 Publishers Drive Rockford, IL 61109 USA Waukegan, IL Pfanstiehl Corp. a leader in the replacement needle phonograph cartridge, audio, video, telephone and auto sound accessory business since 1919 has been purchased by L.K.G. Industries, Inc. of Rockford, Illinois. L.K.G. Industries is relocating the Pfanstiehl facility to its Rockford, IL plant. I do not know if Pfanstiehl still makes needles. Bry-O-Phonic 802-748-9264 M F B phone number $1.79 per pack of 100 shipping 40 cents first pack, 25 cents each additional pack 10 packs no shipping. He sells on eBay. Dean is where Martin got his Bry-O-Phonic needles, he said Dean had a place in the company where all the needle packs were for the companies that they had made needles for when 78’s were being made. LAUBSCHER PRAZISION AG Hauptstrasse 101 Postfach 180 CH-2575 Tauffelen Made needles into the 1980’s at least, they were currently selling off stock when I contacted them a years ago. |aaron.bags...@whbagshaw.com| 1 Pine Street, Box 766 Nashua, NH 03060 call: 800.343.7467 or 603.883.7758 fx: 603.882.2641 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
You have to go to 50K to get the better price break. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:19 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? The quote from Bagshaw for 20,000 was 1700.00, or 8.00 plus cost per hundred. Not competitive at all. I see you would have to buy tons to compete with these $5 per hundred sellers. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: phonop...@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:17:28 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Yes, it's Bagshaw. They've been making them since the early 1900s. But here's the catch --- you've got to buy A LOT, I mean A LOT -- and they won't be in little bags. So, it's a big expense and a lot of work. For most people it's too big a project, but go to www.whbagshaw.com Regards to all, Tim Fabrizio www.phonophan.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
I have used them for 10 years and have no complaints and have never encountered a bad needle. Dan On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: All the APSCO loud and soft tone needles I've ever examined have been smooth and shiny. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:17 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? I bought needles from APSCO in the past but I didn't like them. Under a magnifier the surfaces were very rough and I didn't like the sound. They may have changed suppliers since, however. It was convenient that they were prepackaged though. I'd give them another try. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:08:39 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? I have bought tickets from APSCO and they have been very reliable. http://www.antiquephono.com/ Dan On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.netwrote: Some years ago I bought steel needles from Pfanstiehl but then began buying from the New Amberola Phonograph Company which following a telephone call to place an order after which I sent payment three years ago failed to send the needles cash the cheques I'd sent, despite several follow up letters I've writtenI'd like to know of a good current source of needles also since I'm about sold out continue to have the occassional request from customers. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 14-Apr-2010 11:49:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hello all I seem to remember hearing about a needle manufacturer in the US that still makes them and has for decades..anyone remember who it is? I am seeking to buy needles wholesale. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
There were lots of suppliers 75-100 years ago and they made a variety of lengths, and thicknesses (determining volume) as well as material/coatings. We don't have as many choices now. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bryan, Ronald (DSHS/DDD) Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:39 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? I observe a difference in shape between antique/original phono needles, and newly manufactured ones. The antique needles I've found are slightly longer, and are tapered along the full length of the needle - a true needle shape. The newly manufactured ones are somewhat shorter, and are not tapered apart from the cone tip - they are more of a brad shape. I sure do like the look of the old long tapered needle when I use one from time to time. Anyone know if any of these manufacturers that have been mentioned still make the old-school style needles that are tapered along the full length? To my un-aided ear, I can't tell a difference in the sound of an old needle versus a new needle, but I am sure on some micro-level there is a difference. Just as the varying size of a soft tone versus a full tone needle makes a difference, the varying shapes of antique versus new needles, and also difference in the old-versus-new steel alloys, must affect the vibrational sensitivity of the needle, and thereby ultimately have an effect on the sound. So even if the difference in sound is not perceptible to me, I still find it more satisfying to use an antique needle. Lol - maybe I'm the only one for whom these pedantic details matter! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Melvin Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:09 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? I have bought tickets from APSCO and they have been very reliable. http://www.antiquephono.com/ Dan On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:38 AM, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.netwrote: Some years ago I bought steel needles from Pfanstiehl but then began buying from the New Amberola Phonograph Company which following a telephone call to place an order after which I sent payment three years ago failed to send the needles cash the cheques I'd sent, despite several follow up letters I've writtenI'd like to know of a good current source of needles also since I'm about sold out continue to have the occassional request from customers. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 14-Apr-2010 11:49:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer?? Hello all I seem to remember hearing about a needle manufacturer in the US that still makes them and has for decades..anyone remember who it is? I am seeking to buy needles wholesale. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Need Harmony parts
I can probably help Don Contact me off list please. George - Original Message - From: Gridleak To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:52 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Need Harmony parts i need the speed indicator and speed control lever for a Harmony disc plaver. Also could use the winding pawl and its mounting screw for same machine. These parts are used on other machines ie. Monark columbia with post and plate motors. DON AC7PD ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steel needle manufacturer??
I highly recommend Martin Bryan for steel needles at m...@together.net Best, Tim F. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] FW: Brunswick Phono from thr 800's.....!
The quietness was due to the massive (in size and weight) of the now frozen pot metal tone arm and sound box(es) blocking any motor noise from escaping;-) Plus, in the 1800's, they knew how to make things run quietly. Seriously, they were pretty good motors, some nice cabinets too. Bruce - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] FW: Brunswick Phono from thr 800's.! Wow, and with all those records from the 1800s too!! You better snap it up! Every Brunswick I've come across has had an extremely quite and smooth running motor. Anyone know what their secret was? A special grease formulation? John Robles --- On Wed, 4/14/10, Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net Subject: [Phono-L] FW: Brunswick Phono from thr 800's.! To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 7:51 PM --- Original Message - From: Douglas Houston To: phon...@oldcranl.net Sent: 4/14/2010 10:29:13 PM Subject: Brunswick Phono from thr 800's.! Here's a Brunswick console from probably the 19 20's that is worth looking into..? http://flint.craigslist.org/atq/1682269807.html cdh...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
