Re: [Phono-L] Reproduction Victor album sets?
Hi All, Almost all machines that I look at are either missing the albums, or they are coming apart. It would seem to me that the market is there but I am pretty new to the hobby. While viewing that issue I can tell you that in being involved in the vintage car hobby that almost all parts suppliers meet with great success when they repro a part. I guess it all comes down to 3 things. What will the investment be, what is the min order and will people pay the price for the items. Viewing eBay I find that even a crummy set of albums for a XVI have sold in many cases for $125-150 more when you add shipping. There seems to be a great number of different models that can use the same album style. I would think that you would do the style that would have the widest use factor. Just my thoughts Abe Feder On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Which brings me to the point: Does anyone here know the current ownership status of the famous trademark? I'm reposting the Rolfs' email on the Nipper Trademark: Jim Nichol From: Robin Rolfs nip...@dataex.com Subject:[Phono-L] Rights to HMV Date: September 25, 2008 3:28:38 PM EDT To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Greetings, We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. In short, Nipper and the His Master's Voice along with RCA, once the most powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized findings: RCA is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the His Master's Voice trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace Defense combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication Corp. England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for their HMV stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as The Victor Company of Japan, now owned by Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold internationally. Since no single entity owns the trademark, its use for other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes unchallenged. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Which brings me to the point: Does anyone here know the current ownership status of the famous trademark? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Reproduction Victor album sets?
Thanks Abe for your common-sense reply. The broadest Victor application would probably be the slightly later style pre-Orthophonic album style, but I think the survival rate on these is generally much higher than the early ones with the large gold- plated rings, which I assume would be in higher demand but perhaps would fill the need for the early machines much faster than the more common variety, and therefore perhaps not nearly enough sold to cover the cost of the manufacturer's MOQ (minimum order quantity). It may be that there would have to be a compromise between cost, style and quantity. Thanks again for your input. If anyone else has further thoughts on this, please feel free to comment. Best, Andy On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Abe Feder wrote: Hi All, Almost all machines that I look at are either missing the albums, or they are coming apart. It would seem to me that the market is there but I am pretty new to the hobby. While viewing that issue I can tell you that in being involved in the vintage car hobby that almost all parts suppliers meet with great success when they repro a part. I guess it all comes down to 3 things. What will the investment be, what is the min order and will people pay the price for the items. Viewing eBay I find that even a crummy set of albums for a XVI have sold in many cases for $125-150 more when you add shipping. There seems to be a great number of different models that can use the same album style. I would think that you would do the style that would have the widest use factor. Just my thoughts Abe Feder On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Which brings me to the point: Does anyone here know the current ownership status of the famous trademark? I'm reposting the Rolfs' email on the Nipper Trademark: Jim Nichol From: Robin Rolfs nip...@dataex.com Subject:[Phono-L] Rights to HMV Date: September 25, 2008 3:28:38 PM EDT To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Greetings, We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. In short, Nipper and the His Master's Voice along with RCA, once the most powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized findings: RCA is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the His Master's Voice trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace Defense combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication Corp. England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for their HMV stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as The Victor Company of Japan, now owned by Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold internationally. Since no single entity owns the trademark, its use for other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes unchallenged. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Which brings me to the point: Does anyone here know the current ownership status of the famous trademark?
[Phono-L] Emerson
I would like to obtain an Emerson electric motor either Model 1542CB or Model 5141TC, both 110v. Working or not. Many thanks, Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Emerson
Mike, The current Emerson model number for 1542 is a 1/2 HP, 1 phase, 48 frame, belted fan and blower open dripproof motor. Is that what you are looking for? On Sep 2, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Mike Tucker wrote: I would like to obtain an Emerson electric motor either Model 1542CB or Model 5141TC, both 110v. Working or not. Many thanks, Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
