Re: [Phono-L] Dealers taking advantance of collectors
I agree. The age of eBay has been a curse and a blessing. A blessing in that phonos aremuch easier to find than before eBay, and a curse because now the market is somewhat saturated, at least with common machines, and prices have dropped accordingly so if you have one to sell that you paid a lot for in the earlier years, your investment may not see a good return, I don't think dealers formed a cartel to take advantage of collectors, but there may be a few that have done so. You find that in every field however, not just in the phono field. I dealt with one bigtime parts dealer in California who was an out and out liar and thief and had a long list of people he cheated, but thankfully he's gone. He left a bitter taste in my mouth for years and it was a very long time before I trusted the person who took over his business, but now I buy lots of parts from them. The old owner sold me what they represented to be a mint condition Home model D bedplate, and when I got it it turned out to be repainted with new decals. I returned it, and they never sent me my money back despite repeated calls. Finally my credit card company returned my money. Thank goodness I used a card!! John Robles --- On Fri, 1/21/11, Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dealers taking advantance of collectors To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:21 PM I never felt taken advantage of, nor did I ever felt I took advantage of anyone else in 36 years of collecting and selling. It was a matter of supply and demand. Years ago, phonographs were hard to find (at least for me on the west coast). If someone had one for sale, you either paid their price or you walked (ok, maybe a little bargaining took place). Now with ebay, Craig's list, and everything else, phonos are a click away (supply up, prices down). Adjustments take place in most markets. Truthfully, I feel phonographs have held up pretty well between the internet and the economy. While a few of our machines have lost a little, others I could never find another at the high price that I paid at the time. The real benefit from my years in the hobby was the joy of the find. But even that paled in comparison to the joy of the people I met and the friendship the hobby started. I would gladly pay an outrageous' price again if only some of those dear friends in the hobby were still with us today. -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of phonofo...@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:18 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Let's face it folks us collectors were taken advantage of for decades...yes decades for both vogue picture records and your most common phonographs. Dealers knew these records were not rare and the same goes for your common Edison, columbia and victor horned machines but collectors agreed to pay outrageous prices on this merchandise. Actually ebay, and also the economy, has worked in favor of the collector in that both have taken the wind out of the sales (or sails) of the dealers whom I would say for a good 30 plus years contolled the prices of the phonograph market. Prices are now at more realistic levels than ever before and I do hope they stay realistic for years to come. -Original Message- From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder hi all ell me about it have three copies of warsaw concerto ol ts still all good n a message dated 1/17/2011 2:56:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, inyl.visi...@live.com writes: he same thing happened with my collection of Vogue Picture Records, which t the time, were as scarce as hen's teeth. For years, I spent my spare ime scrounging through piles of worthless records looking for one or hours n the phone trying to find a collector that might part with a duplicate. nd then, when I found one, I had to pay whatever the person wanted because ou just never found them. Then along comes eBay - and now it's no harder han doing a search and sniping one at a great price and discovering that no ne in America ever threw them away. That's the market of supply and emand, as well as a new generation of people who inherited a collection from heir dad or grandfather and would rather have a new loud muffler on their apanese car or a stereo to blow the body panels off... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:41:08 -0800 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder It's the economy, it's the internet. I own many records and cylinders. Many very rare. Why own a record? As a digital file it as it takes up so little space. And most of the time free or close to free. Not much
Re: [Phono-L] Dealers taking advantance of collectors
If you are a collector/investor in any area of collecting, then you are subject to the gamble of supply and demand just like the stock market, only with less buyers and sellers. If, on the other hand you are an eclectic, obsessive compulsive collector of whatever, then the investment side doesn't matter - it's just the joy of surrounding yourself with whatever you like and finding more. I usually find that the collectors I know fall into these two categories. The first group likes the money and you can buy from them at a price, the second group is harder to deal with, because they don't want to part with anything no matter what the price... I guess it's just human nature. I also collect pottery and I got to know an old time folk art potter who had works in the Smithsonian. He was a collector, in that he loved his pottery. So, if you went to see him, you never brought up the subject of buying pottery - if he liked you and you spent time talking, he would offer it for sale. However, if you went there specifically to buy, even if he had just fired a kiln full, he would tell you he didn't have any. He would keep his pottery stored out of sight in the trunk of his old Chrysler... Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 03:55:29 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dealers taking advantance of collectors I agree. The age of eBay has been a curse and a blessing. A blessing in that phonos aremuch easier to find than before eBay, and a curse because now the market is somewhat saturated, at least with common machines, and prices have dropped accordingly so if you have one to sell that you paid a lot for in the earlier years, your investment may not see a good return, I don't think dealers formed a cartel to take advantage of collectors, but there may be a few that have done so. You find that in every field however, not just in the phono field. I dealt with one bigtime parts dealer in California who was an out and out liar and thief and had a long list of people he cheated, but thankfully he's gone. He left a bitter taste in my mouth for years and it was a very long time before I trusted the person who took over his business, but now I buy lots of parts from them. The old owner sold me what they represented to be a mint condition Home model D bedplate, and when I got it it turned out to be repainted with new decals. I returned it, and they never sent me my money back despite repeated calls. Finally my credit card company returned my money. Thank goodness I used a card!! John Robles --- On Fri, 1/21/11, Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dealers taking advantance of collectors To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 10:21 PM I never felt taken advantage of, nor did I ever felt I took advantage of anyone else in 36 years of collecting and selling. It was a matter of supply and demand. Years ago, phonographs were hard to find (at least for me on the west coast). If someone had one for sale, you either paid their price or you walked (ok, maybe a little bargaining took place). Now with ebay, Craig's list, and everything else, phonos are a click away (supply up, prices down). Adjustments take place in most markets. Truthfully, I feel phonographs have held up pretty well between the internet and the economy. While a few of our machines have lost a little, others I could never find another at the high price that I paid at the time. The real benefit from my years in the hobby was the joy of the find. But even that paled in comparison to the joy of the people I met and the friendship the hobby started. I would gladly pay an outrageous' price again if only some of those dear friends in the hobby were still with us today. -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of phonofo...@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:18 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder Let's face it folks us collectors were taken advantage of for decades...yes decades for both vogue picture records and your most common phonographs. Dealers knew these records were not rare and the same goes for your common Edison, columbia and victor horned machines but collectors agreed to pay outrageous prices on this merchandise. Actually ebay, and also the economy, has worked in favor of the collector in that both have taken the wind out of the sales (or sails) of the dealers whom I would say for a good 30 plus years contolled the prices of the phonograph market. Prices are now at more realistic levels than ever before and I do hope they stay realistic for years to come. -Original Message- From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent:
Re: [Phono-L] Chris Bouchillon - Dick Justice - Obscure blues artists
Here is another oddball recording on Brunswick by West Virginia artist - Dick Justice - who must have been on cocaine at the time of this recording: http://www.cocaine.org/cocaine-music.html For those of you who might like to sing along... here are the very strange lyrics... Go on gal, don’t take me for no fool I ain’t gonna quit you, pretty mama, while the weather’s cool Around your back door, honey, I’m gonna creep Just as long as you bring me two-and-a-half a week I’ve got a girl, she works in the white folks yard She bring me meal, I swear she brings me lard She brings me meal, honey she brings me lard She bring me everything honey that a girl can steal Lord a vaudeville circus rider came to town They got a dancer lookin’ nice and brown They didn’t know it was against the law For the monkey’s to stop at a five cent store Well, just around the corner, just a minute too late Another one standin’ at the big back gate I’m simply wild about my good cocaine I stood my corner, hey hey! Here come Sal with a nose all so’ Doctors said she couldn’t smell no mo’ Lord run doctor, ring the bell The women in the alley… I’m simply wild about my good cocaine Furniture man came to my house, was last Sunday morn Asked me was my wife at home Said she’d long been gone Backed his wagon up to my door Took everything I had He carried it back to the furniture store Honey, I did feel sad What in the world has any man got, now Messin’ with the furniture man? Got no dough, stand for sho’ Certainly will back you back Take everything from an earthly plant From a skillet to a frying pan If there ever was a devil born without any horns Musta been the furniture man I hear you mama, hey hey! Here come Sal with a nose all so’ Doctors said she couldn’t smell no mo’ Lord go doctor, ring the bell Women in the alley… I’m simply wild about my good cocaine Lord the babies in the cradle in New Orleans The doctors kept a-whiffin’ til the baby got mean Doctor whiffed until the baby got so’ Mama said she couldn’t smell no mo’ Lord go, Doctor, ring the bell, The women in the alley… I simply wild about my good cocaine I’m simply wild about my good cocaine I’m simply wild about my good cocaine From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:45:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Chris Bouchillon - Skip my previous posts and start here I don't know if you guys have ever heard of Chris Bouchillon, he's an interesting Greenville, SC artist from around the 1920's. I think he is a fascinating character who sounds like a cross between Bob Dylan and Larry The Cable Guy... I uploaded two of his songs for your entertainment - let me know what you think. The recordings are not great, but they are the best I have to work with... http://www.preservemymoney.com/music/ChrisBouchillon-BornInHardLuck-1927_audition.mp3 http://www.preservemymoney.com/music/ChrisBouchillon-TalkingBlues-1926_audition.mp3 From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:38:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Chris Bouchillon Just copy and paste the links in your browser - don't use the first ones with the % signs in them. That extra space in the underscored links keeps them from working. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:35:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Chris Bouchillon Something is happening to the links when I post them - it leaves a space before the parentheses around the dates...??? http://www.preservemymoney.com/music/ChrisBouchillon-BornInHardLuck(1927)_audition.mp3 http://www.preservemymoney.com/music/ChrisBouchillon-BornInHardLuck(1927)_audition.mp3 From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:28:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Chris Bouchillon I think these links will work now: http://www.preservemymoney.com/music/ChrisBouchillon-BornInHardLuck(1927)_audition.mp3 http://www.preservemymoney.com/music/ChrisBouchillon-TalkingBlues(1926)_audition.mp3 From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:20:05 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Chris Bouchillon I don't know if you guys have ever heard of Chris Bouchillon, he's an interesting Greenville, SC artist from around the 1920's. I think he is a fascinating character who sounds like a cross between Bob Dylan and Larry The Cable Guy... I uploaded two of his songs for your entertainment - let me know what you think. The recordings are not great, but they are the best I have to work with... http://www.preservemymoney.com/music/Chris%20Bouchillon%20-%20Born%20In%20Hard%20Luck%20(1927)_audition.mp3 http://www.preservemymoney.com/music/Chris%20Bouchillon%20-%20Talking%20Blues%20(1926)_audition.mp3
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Purple Cylinders Wanted
I have been told that the journey is more interesting than the destination.Well, I've been on this journey for too many years and now I'm seeking help so I can complete my collection of Edison Purple cylinders in the 29000 series. I am only lacking 29055 and 29077. Any help would be most appreciated. Bob Kolba _rkolba0211@aol._ (mailto:rkolba0211@aol.x) com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Purple Cylinders Wanted
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM, rkolba0...@aol.com wrote: I have been told that the journey is more interesting than the destination.Well, I've been on this journey for too many years and now I'm seeking help so I can complete my collection of Edison Purple cylinders in the 29000 series. I am only lacking 29055 and 29077. Any help would be most appreciated. Bob Kolba _rkolba0211@aol._ (mailto:rkolba0211@aol.x) com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Bob, As I'm old and don't want to dig books out and I remember titles better than numbers, what would the titles be? Just helping you cast a bigger net. I have lots of purples, somewhere. oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Purple Cylinders Wanted
Thanks for the quick response. 29055 Ah levetoi, soleil (Romeo Juliet) P.A. Asselin 29077 Nina (Pergolesi) M. Laurenti In a message dated 1/22/2011 2:58:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM, rkolba0...@aol.com wrote: I have been told that the journey is more interesting than the destination.Well, I've been on this journey for too many years and now I'm seeking help so I can complete my collection of Edison Purple cylinders in the 29000 series. I am only lacking 29055 and 29077. Any help would be most appreciated. Bob Kolba _rkolba0211@aol._ (mailto:rkolba0211@aol.x) com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Bob, As I'm old and don't want to dig books out and I remember titles better than numbers, what would the titles be? Just helping you cast a bigger net. I have lots of purples, somewhere. oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
