Re: [Phono-L] Notes on the April-May edition of In The Groove
Agreed! I, for one, was wowed by this edition. Great job! Loran On Apr 16, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Scott and Denise Corbett wrote: Hi Tim, My wife and I have always enjoyed IN THE GROOVE and the service it has provided for the hobby. Any new efforts will always have a few rocks in the road. We remind ourselves that these people are volunteering their time unselfishly for our enjoyment and see NO reason to complain if a little late or past margins. Our only complaint would be if it stopped being produced! Keep up the good work! -Scott Denise Corbett ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Notes on the April-May edition of In The Groove
Actually, the larger images do look good. But you are correct the lack of any white space at the top does give the impression that something is missing. Still an outstanding issue! On 04/16/2011 10:01 PM, Tim McCormick wrote: Folks, Michael Evans (our new graphic designer) attempted a design concept with a few images that normally work for flyers and brochures, but failed to be artistically communicated in our magazine. The most obvious use of this technique was on the Jerry Fabris' article. Artists like to use free space and openness. We antique lovers prefer the security of symmetry. Pages 42, 44, 45, 47 and 48 are filled with two huge images each. The upper most image appears to run off the top of the page as was intended by the graphic designer. Very little, if any, of the image is actually missing - the top of the page bleed completes the image border (you'll be able to see for yourself what I'm talking about when you get your copy). Unfortunately, the technique does not fit the topic. I'll be receiving a hundred E-Mails reporting this presumed mistake. Michael had to create this issue (his first ITG) from scratch which took him an enormous amount of time. The first .PDF proof I received from Michael was laid-out in signature format, so I could not detect where the bleed ended and had no idea of his artsy concept. He provided me the second proof in my preferred format, and only then did I discover what I assumed was an error. By then, we were so close to the send-it-to-the-printer date, and was told that he would have to shrink the images in order to maintain border symmetry, that I made the decision not to delay the issue an additional 3 days for delivery, and hoped the larger images would be beneficial to our readers after all. Well, now that I have the magazine in front of me, it looks like it was a printing mistake and not the intended artistic openness concept that Michael had hoped for. I have discussed this with Michael, and border symmetry will be followed in future issues. I just told you that I was concerned about getting this issue to the printer on time. WELL. We delivered this to Short Run on March 8th. The delivery date to Faris Mailing was scheduled for March 28th. On March 16th, the printer had massive equipment failure. Keep in mind, these folks own multi-million dollar State-Of-The-Art presses and binders. They finally delivered ITG to Faris Mailing last Friday, April 8th. It was mailed on Tuesday, April 12th. I received my copy on Thursday. Excluding all the challenges of production, this has been our most ambitious issue that I can recall. It is 52 pages in length and filled with fascinating works from some very impressive contributors. I highly recommend that you pick up a copy for yourself. Thanks, Tim Tim McCormick, President Michigan Antique Phonograph Society presid...@maps-itg.org www.MAPS-ITG.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] People looking for certain Blue Amberol cylinders to complete collections or 'themes' 1500-1844 or 5000 series
Hi all I have been a long time member of this group and am well known to a lot of you here, ... I am a long-time collector (not a permanent but some time dealer) and have recently semi-retired from my full-time job in management consulting in Euope and China, and moved to my retirement property in Phuket, Thailand. I brought about half of my collection here (the rest is still in the US, will need to get to it when i am fully retired...) and am now at a point where I will start selling off a lot of what I have here. Given the fact that I have enjoyed this list and this group of people, i want to give all of you to get first dabs on the cylinders that you are/have been looking for. I am going to start with the Blue Amberols, as at one point I was less than 150 some records shy of completing the 1500-57xx series. This has required me to buy a LOT of collections and as a result, plenty of records, and lot of dupiclates. A few years back, i sold a significant amount of the 5000 series to a limited few folks (here and outside this list), but still have about 150 or so there too, so ask me and I will see if I can help. I am at the point of sorting and have just complete the first series from 1500-1844 group. So feel free to ask me about any record you are missing in the 1500-1844 range (these have been sorted over and over and replaced by finer specimens or the best that I have found among many tries, and most are flat tops, but not all), AND any record you are still looking for in the 5000 series. Email me privately at pzonlinesa...@hotmail.com with the record(s) you are looking for AND the price you can/are willing to pay. IF I still have it/them or find it/them/some of them, I will get back to you as soon as I can. I do not intend to run this as an auction, but as I get no response from this group, the records will go to ebay for auction sales. Shipping from here in Thailand to the US tends to run expensive, so it is in your best interest to ask for/obtain several records. This is a one time opportunity I will offer to the members here. After one month that I list a batch here as available, I will make it available to ebay and the rest of the world. A little teaser: in my first run, from Blue Amberol 1500 to 1844, I am only missing 24 records, and these are the best copies I have obtained in 20 years of collecting. Thanks for your attention! Take care, Patriek Zanas - my ebay ID is tinfreak PS. feel free to ask me about Blue Amberols outside this range I mentioned above, but it will be a while before I get back to you,.. It takes a long time to sort through all these. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known
As I said before, I collect these machines not because there are few known or the $ value. I collect them because they are wonderful machines. Just because I happen to have a relatively rare machine does not make me the type of collector that has to crow about it. I didn't bring up the subject of that thread and posted more as a joke. Apparently I didn't make that clear. I do remember saying that I hope many more C-1s are found. Everybody should be able to enjoy one. It only took me 50 years of constant looking to find one. If there are more than six both myself and Chuck would like to know about them and their serial numbers. Can you provide the serial numbers or names of the owners of those other four (or so) machines? I would be interested, and I know Chuck would be very surprised, meaning they would have had to have turned up in the last couple days. If that is the case he will have a BIG surprise in store. Idle speculation is just that. It's much the same in collecting reproducing pianos or rare radios like a Zenith Stratosphere or old cars like a Packard. The unconfirmed babble is often tainted with a little jealousy, envyor I'm not sure what. Sad. (just the facts ma'am) I do agree with Bill on one point, the C-2 upright is easier to load. On the other hand, the C-1 doesn't have that much wasted space in the cabinet. The top part is taken up by the turntable on the left and the radio tuner chassis on the right. Below are four generous record storage drawers on both sides of the grill cloth which has two oversized speakers stacked vertically in the back with a large power amp sitting on the floor. There is not much dead space. The C-2 has plenty of power but obviously can't match the power of the C-1. Having the turntable area lit helps quite a bit in sitting down the pickup but it's still a bit awkward and is really the only complaint I have with the design. I 'still' want to lift the lid. Bruce Mercer - Original Message - From: bta...@realtick.com b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known I hope someday to own a C-2, I think it is just an amazingly cool machine. The rarity does not really even factor into it at all. The combination pickup for lateral DD, the radio technology, the fact it is the end of an era. I actually like the C-2 better than the C-1 only in that the C-1 is just so big and looks like a phonograph was jammed in as an afterthought making record loading etc kind of awkward, although it certainly is a beautiful piece. Bill On 4/15/11 12:05 PM, Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com wrote: Like The Edison C-2, I thought it was so rare I would never hope to have one. I have had 3. And Chuck Azzalina had 7 in his basement last time I was there to fix. He started keeping count thinking the number surviving was in the 10's and stopped at 200 or so known. Same with C-1. There were 2 know for the longest time, then 2 more showed up then 1 more now I think there are about 10 or so out there. It isn't how many but how cool they are. C-1 and C-2 are very special machines and would be cool if there were 2000 left. I actually prefer if something I like is common, it means I can afford it :-). Collecting just so you can say you have 1 of only 2 known is what some people collect for but I am not one of them. -Barry On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Bruce, In the case of a machine like yours even if if there are twice as many existing as are currently known it is a very hard to find machine. Steve Steve, I agree completely and hope for collectors interested in these machines that at least a few more will be found. The thing that supports the 'few' is that they were made for only a year (more like 10 months), were very expensive and a good estimate of orginal production numbered about 200 machines. Frow wasn't much help. It seems that somebody at the National Monument could be a scource of desperately needed information regarding that machine and the number mfg.. I bought the machine from Charley H. and in talking with him and at least one other rabid collector, those are the numbers that are known and a good guess as to the number built. Charley told me he had gotten the machine from the original owner in N.J., somebody that had worked for Edison. There were many old pictures, some autographed, all to do with Edison or the Company on the walls, when he got the machine. He thought it to be someone high up in the Company. As far as I'm concerned I hope 100 more turn up sooner than later. It wouldn't affect the value of mine in the least, not to me anyway. Spread the happiness. Very best, Bruce M. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork
HI ALL CHARLEY HUMMEL HAD ONE A FEW YEARS AGO YOU MAY ASK HIM OR TIM OR PAUL GOOD LUCK ZONO -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork Do you have a pic of your new Pathe? On the subject of Pathe - does anyone have any idea of what a Pathe advertising plaster rooster might be worth? I found one recently, but haven't been able to convince the owner to part with it... It is a display in an old store and no one knows what it is, since it's painted black. Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:37:39 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork Hello All I thought I would post a piece of reproducer arts and crafts for you. I received a Pathephone 40 yesterday through the kindness of a Phono-L member who responded to my search for one. The reproducer label was aged and blackened, and since it is paper you can't clean it without risking loss of the image. I found a decent picture of a reproducer online, and..well, the story is written on the before and after image at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Pathephone%20reproducer/ Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known
I agree. But I have a friend who thinks an item is worthless unless he sees it sell for a lot on ebay then gets more interested in it, and will only bid on something unless it is extremely cheap or he knows there are 10 known. I keep arguing with him about this but it doesn't seem to matter. I thought Chuck said 2 more turned up recently, making 9, if he was already counting those then I guess there are 6. But those last 3 or 4 showed up in the last few showed up recently so there is hope. I guess it matters if I was going to try and restore a basket case machine. Unless it is rare it is not worth the bother. But there are things I have that maybe 3 or 4 exist and they are still not worth much or very interesting. -Barry On 4/17/2011 12:57 AM, Bruce Mercer wrote: As I said before, I collect these machines not because there are few known or the $ value. I collect them because they are wonderful machines. Just because I happen to have a relatively rare machine does not make me the type of collector that has to crow about it. I didn't bring up the subject of that thread and posted more as a joke. Apparently I didn't make that clear. I do remember saying that I hope many more C-1s are found. Everybody should be able to enjoy one. It only took me 50 years of constant looking to find one. If there are more than six both myself and Chuck would like to know about them and their serial numbers. Can you provide the serial numbers or names of the owners of those other four (or so) machines? I would be interested, and I know Chuck would be very surprised, meaning they would have had to have turned up in the last couple days. If that is the case he will have a BIG surprise in store. Idle speculation is just that. It's much the same in collecting reproducing pianos or rare radios like a Zenith Stratosphere or old cars like a Packard. The unconfirmed babble is often tainted with a little jealousy, envyor I'm not sure what. Sad. (just the facts ma'am) I do agree with Bill on one point, the C-2 upright is easier to load. On the other hand, the C-1 doesn't have that much wasted space in the cabinet. The top part is taken up by the turntable on the left and the radio tuner chassis on the right. Below are four generous record storage drawers on both sides of the grill cloth which has two oversized speakers stacked vertically in the back with a large power amp sitting on the floor. There is not much dead space. The C-2 has plenty of power but obviously can't match the power of the C-1. Having the turntable area lit helps quite a bit in sitting down the pickup but it's still a bit awkward and is really the only complaint I have with the design. I 'still' want to lift the lid. Bruce Mercer - Original Message - From: bta...@realtick.com b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 3 Known I hope someday to own a C-2, I think it is just an amazingly cool machine. The rarity does not really even factor into it at all. The combination pickup for lateral DD, the radio technology, the fact it is the end of an era. I actually like the C-2 better than the C-1 only in that the C-1 is just so big and looks like a phonograph was jammed in as an afterthought making record loading etc kind of awkward, although it certainly is a beautiful piece. Bill On 4/15/11 12:05 PM, Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com wrote: Like The Edison C-2, I thought it was so rare I would never hope to have one. I have had 3. And Chuck Azzalina had 7 in his basement last time I was there to fix. He started keeping count thinking the number surviving was in the 10's and stopped at 200 or so known. Same with C-1. There were 2 know for the longest time, then 2 more showed up then 1 more now I think there are about 10 or so out there. It isn't how many but how cool they are. C-1 and C-2 are very special machines and would be cool if there were 2000 left. I actually prefer if something I like is common, it means I can afford it :-). Collecting just so you can say you have 1 of only 2 known is what some people collect for but I am not one of them. -Barry On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Bruce, In the case of a machine like yours even if if there are twice as many existing as are currently known it is a very hard to find machine. Steve Steve, I agree completely and hope for collectors interested in these machines that at least a few more will be found. The thing that supports the 'few' is that they were made for only a year (more like 10 months), were very expensive and a good estimate of orginal production numbered about 200 machines. Frow wasn't much help. It seems that somebody at the National Monument could be a scource of desperately needed information regarding that machine and the number mfg.. I bought the machine from Charley H. and in talking with him and at least one other rabid collector,
Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Tonearm ballbearing info
Thanks, Ron. Do you have any idea where I can buy ONE ball bearing of the correct size? Have you ever seen on the Internet a procedure for rebuilding Orthophonic tonearms? I want to check my work. Thanks, GrnMountainBill On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: As far as I know, they should all be the same. If one was bigger it is because it is a poor replacement. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of William Zucca Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:56 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Tonearm ballbearing info Hello All: I am working on an Orthophonic Victrola V V-4-40 and have cleaned out the old grease at the base of the tonearm as it attaches to the bracket bolted to the rear of the turntable deck. I find 5 small ball bearings there; one per divot in the cup on the bottom of the bracket. Am I nuts or is one of the ball bearings larger than the rest? If this is as it is supposed to be, what is the purpose of the larger ball and in which divot does it belong? Always wanting to move smoothly towards restoration, GrnMountainBill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Tonearm ballbearing info
I imagine you can get one ball bearing from George Vollema. However, you may find the errant one in grease of the motor or in a crack in the horn itself somewhere. You may be better off getting 5 new ones (McMaster Carr will sell you a hundred cheap or you can get new ones from George) and then you will know they are matched in size. I have not seen any instructions. I just know that you want to have a good air seal at all joints and you do it with grease. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of William Zucca Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:46 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Tonearm ballbearing info Thanks, Ron. Do you have any idea where I can buy ONE ball bearing of the correct size? Have you ever seen on the Internet a procedure for rebuilding Orthophonic tonearms? I want to check my work. Thanks, GrnMountainBill On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: As far as I know, they should all be the same. If one was bigger it is because it is a poor replacement. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of William Zucca Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:56 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Orthophonic Tonearm ballbearing info Hello All: I am working on an Orthophonic Victrola V V-4-40 and have cleaned out the old grease at the base of the tonearm as it attaches to the bracket bolted to the rear of the turntable deck. I find 5 small ball bearings there; one per divot in the cup on the bottom of the bracket. Am I nuts or is one of the ball bearings larger than the rest? If this is as it is supposed to be, what is the purpose of the larger ball and in which divot does it belong? Always wanting to move smoothly towards restoration, GrnMountainBill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork
Nice machine, looks to be in good condition - I need a Pathe disc machine... Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:43:17 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork It's worth $20 but I'll give you $25 :-) Pics are available at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Pathephone/ Does anyone else on the board have a Pathephone? Thanks John --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 7:00 PM Do you have a pic of your new Pathe? On the subject of Pathe - does anyone have any idea of what a Pathe advertising plaster rooster might be worth? I found one recently, but haven't been able to convince the owner to part with it... It is a display in an old store and no one knows what it is, since it's painted black. Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:37:39 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork Hello All I thought I would post a piece of reproducer arts and crafts for you. I received a Pathephone 40 yesterday through the kindness of a Phono-L member who responded to my search for one. The reproducer label was aged and blackened, and since it is paper you can't clean it without risking loss of the image. I found a decent picture of a reproducer online, and..well, the story is written on the before and after image at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Pathephone%20reproducer/ Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork
Thanks - I'll ask Charley - should have thought of him or Tim Fabrizio. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 04:54:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork HI ALL CHARLEY HUMMEL HAD ONE A FEW YEARS AGO YOU MAY ASK HIM OR TIM OR PAUL GOOD LUCK ZONO -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork Do you have a pic of your new Pathe? On the subject of Pathe - does anyone have any idea of what a Pathe advertising plaster rooster might be worth? I found one recently, but haven't been able to convince the owner to part with it... It is a display in an old store and no one knows what it is, since it's painted black. Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:37:39 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Reproducer Artwork Hello All I thought I would post a piece of reproducer arts and crafts for you. I received a Pathephone 40 yesterday through the kindness of a Phono-L member who responded to my search for one. The reproducer label was aged and blackened, and since it is paper you can't clean it without risking loss of the image. I found a decent picture of a reproducer online, and..well, the story is written on the before and after image at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Pathephone%20reproducer/ Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
