Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
A friend of mine has a later mahogany Amberola 50 (English-sold) that has a cloth drawstring bag over the horn. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Also, is there anyone cutting new grilles for the later Amberolas? Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:17 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Here is a very early Amberola Ad, depicting the seldom seen ill fated earliest style Rococo Grill Amberola 1A Cabinet that was made by Herzog. Note there is no Grill Cloth shown. http://www.atticpaper.com/proddetail.php?prod=1910-edison-amberola-ad Bruce - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:53:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question One quick and easy way to tell if the Amberola had a grille cloth or not is to see if the horn is wood grained. The Amberola IA, IB, III, IV, V, IV, VIII, and X series of Diamond Amberolas had wood grained horns so they did not need to have grille cloth to disguise the internal horn. When the Amberola 30, 50, 75, and later 60 and 80 came along it was determined that a quickly glued in grille cloth would be less expensive than the wood grained paint process. So you have an ugly black horn hidden behind the cloth. Along the way people have added grille cloth to the earlier Amberolas (to keep the dust out) and taken the cloth out of the later ones (to let the sound out); thus, there is confusion today. I hope this helps, Al Sefl Edison Nut... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
A friend of mine has a later mahogany Amberola 50 (English-sold) that has a cloth drawstring bag over the horn. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Also, is there anyone cutting new grilles for the later Amberolas? Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:17 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Here is a very early Amberola Ad, depicting the seldom seen ill fated earliest style Rococo Grill Amberola 1A Cabinet that was made by Herzog. Note there is no Grill Cloth shown. http://www.atticpaper.com/proddetail.php?prod=1910-edison-amberola-ad Bruce - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:53:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question One quick and easy way to tell if the Amberola had a grille cloth or not is to see if the horn is wood grained. The Amberola IA, IB, III, IV, V, IV, VIII, and X series of Diamond Amberolas had wood grained horns so they did not need to have grille cloth to disguise the internal horn. When the Amberola 30, 50, 75, and later 60 and 80 came along it was determined that a quickly glued in grille cloth would be less expensive than the wood grained paint process. So you have an ugly black horn hidden behind the cloth. Along the way people have added grille cloth to the earlier Amberolas (to keep the dust out) and taken the cloth out of the later ones (to let the sound out); thus, there is confusion today. I hope this helps, Al Sefl Edison Nut... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
The original was raw silk cloth. Use organic dye. On 04/24/2012 11:19 AM, William Zucca wrote: Yes, this is helpful information for me too but I wonder what kind of cloth is most like original. That are many nice, rich looking 1920s radio speaker cloths available but other than that, I wouldn't have a clue what to use. My Amberola 50 has some sort of faded ribbed paisley cloth on it that surely wasn't original- or was it? Green Mountain Bill On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:17 AM,bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Here is a very early Amberola Ad, depicting the seldom seen ill fated earliest style Rococo Grill Amberola 1A Cabinet that was made by Herzog. Note there is no Grill Cloth shown. http://www.atticpaper.com/proddetail.php?prod=1910-edison-amberola-ad Bruce - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:53:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question One quick and easy way to tell if the Amberola had a grille cloth or not is to see if the horn is wood grained. The Amberola IA, IB, III, IV, V, IV, VIII, and X series of Diamond Amberolas had wood grained horns so they did not need to have grille cloth to disguise the internal horn. When the Amberola 30, 50, 75, and later 60 and 80 came along it was determined that a quickly glued in grille cloth would be less expensive than the wood grained paint process. So you have an ugly black horn hidden behind the cloth. Along the way people have added grille cloth to the earlier Amberolas (to keep the dust out) and taken the cloth out of the later ones (to let the sound out); thus, there is confusion today. I hope this helps, Al Sefl Edison Nut... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
http://www.grampstreasures.com/ Gramp's Treasures Contact Information Tom Rutkowski (Gramps) Make checks payable to Tom Rutkowski TelephoneFax 810-359-2376 810-359-2430 Postal address 3405 Lakeshore, Lexington, MI 48450 Electronic mail gril...@gmail.com From: philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:56:39 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question A friend of mine has a later mahogany Amberola 50 (English-sold) that has a cloth drawstring bag over the horn. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Also, is there anyone cutting new grilles for the later Amberolas? Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:17 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Here is a very early Amberola Ad, depicting the seldom seen ill fated earliest style Rococo Grill Amberola 1A Cabinet that was made by Herzog. Note there is no Grill Cloth shown. http://www.atticpaper.com/proddetail.php?prod=1910-edison-amberola-ad Bruce - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:53:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question One quick and easy way to tell if the Amberola had a grille cloth or not is to see if the horn is wood grained. The Amberola IA, IB, III, IV, V, IV, VIII, and X series of Diamond Amberolas had wood grained horns so they did not need to have grille cloth to disguise the internal horn. When the Amberola 30, 50, 75, and later 60 and 80 came along it was determined that a quickly glued in grille cloth would be less expensive than the wood grained paint process. So you have an ugly black horn hidden behind the cloth. Along the way people have added grille cloth to the earlier Amberolas (to keep the dust out) and taken the cloth out of the later ones (to let the sound out); thus, there is confusion today. I hope this helps, Al Sefl Edison Nut... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
Gramp's Treasures Contact Information Tom Rutkowski (Gramps) Make checks payable to Tom Rutkowski TelephoneFax 810-359-2376 810-359-2430 Postal address 3405 Lakeshore, Lexington, MI 48450 Electronic mail gril...@gmail.com From: philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:49:11 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question A friend of mine has a later mahogany Amberola 50 (English-sold) that has a cloth drawstring bag over the horn. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Also, is there anyone cutting new grilles for the later Amberolas? Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of bruce78...@comcast.net [bruce78...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:17 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Here is a very early Amberola Ad, depicting the seldom seen ill fated earliest style Rococo Grill Amberola 1A Cabinet that was made by Herzog. Note there is no Grill Cloth shown. http://www.atticpaper.com/proddetail.php?prod=1910-edison-amberola-ad Bruce - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:53:42 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question One quick and easy way to tell if the Amberola had a grille cloth or not is to see if the horn is wood grained. The Amberola IA, IB, III, IV, V, IV, VIII, and X series of Diamond Amberolas had wood grained horns so they did not need to have grille cloth to disguise the internal horn. When the Amberola 30, 50, 75, and later 60 and 80 came along it was determined that a quickly glued in grille cloth would be less expensive than the wood grained paint process. So you have an ugly black horn hidden behind the cloth. Along the way people have added grille cloth to the earlier Amberolas (to keep the dust out) and taken the cloth out of the later ones (to let the sound out); thus, there is confusion today. I hope this helps, Al Sefl Edison Nut... ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Hexaphone ID Plate
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[Phono-L] Reproduction lids for cylinder machines
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Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] Reproduction lids for cylinder machines
LIDS To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com From: steve_nor...@msn.com Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:04:33 -0400 Subject: [phonolist] Reproduction lids for cylinder machines Does anyone make reproduction list for homes, standards, or triumphs? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 1 Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
Michael: I have a B-60 with the wood grained horn and the grill has green cloth. I am quite sure it is original. as Al mentions, DD machines are quite varied. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Michael F. Khanchalian Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:19 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Here's a loose question for you Al or any others. On the B-60 or C-60 DD machine. I have seen original illustrations with grill cloth, yet these have wood grained horns. What's correct here? Kindest thanks for your thoughts. Michael Khanchalian (Cylinder Doctor) On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:58 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: One more loose thought, the Amberolas B5, D6, etc. that were shipped from cabinets left over after the December 1914 factory fire with the Amberola 30 and 50 mechanisms will have grille clothes to keep buyers from seeing the 'lovely' black swinging horn behind the grille. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc grilles cloth questions...
Al: I may be mistaken as I thought the B-60 was first made in October 1912. I have always represented mine as such. I thought I read it in Frows book. Mine has the original matching record storage cabinet as well. It was the second machine I bought. love it Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of clockworkh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:52 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc grilles cloth questions... Greetings Doctor: I am not sure that 'correct' is a word to apply to minor variations on Edison machines. The machines were assembled from parts and shipped as fast as they could. Variations from suppliers and from their own factory mechanisms were to be expected. The B-60 was a 1913-14 machine. It was sometime in this period that a decision was made to use the grille cloth rather than the more expensive and more time consuming wood graining of the horns. It really should not be a surprise to find both in a machine as production brought the cabinets together with the mechanisms as one of the last steps in assembly. I don't think I have ever seen a B-60 that did not have grille cloth original from the factory; but, I would not rule out a machine that never had cloth. As for the wood grained horns, these may have been ordered that way long before production of the machine. There were many production problems with the motor of these early DD machines and sometimes the assembly was halted to redesign the motor. No doubt earlier horns had stockpiled and were used as production resumed. So, you could have a wood grained horn from early 1913 going into a grille clothed cabinet of 1914. Had the fire not come along in 1914, you might h ave seen these models without the wood grained horns and only flat black horns behind grille cloth. These are the type of things that I would find interesting to look for at the Edison Site. Too bad the Site has such limited access to serious researchers. Best wishes, Al -Original Message- From: Michael F. Khanchalian mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 11:40 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Here's a loose question for you Al or any others. On the B-60 or C-60 DD machine. I have seen original illustrations with grill cloth, yet these have wood grained horns. What's correct here? Kindest thanks for your thoughts. Michael Khanchalian (Cylinder Doctor) On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:58 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: One more loose thought, the Amberolas B5, D6, etc. that were shipped from cabinets left over after the December 1914 factory fire with the Amberola 30 and 50 mechanisms will have grille clothes to keep buyers from seeing the 'lovely' black swinging horn behind the grille. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
Everything Edison made is quite varied, there are 14 different varieties of the Model H reproducer for example and just when you think you know it all another variety comes along. The only reason people do not notice all the varieties is they do not look closely and assume what they have is normal, with Edison there was not any definite cutoffs. Look at all the N varities. Most people do not know Edison made a Trowel N before the N-56 but he did just like he made the trowel weight for the O. Steve From: maff...@bresnan.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:10:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Michael: I have a B-60 with the wood grained horn and the grill has green cloth. I am quite sure it is original. as Al mentions, DD machines are quite varied. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Michael F. Khanchalian Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:19 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Here's a loose question for you Al or any others. On the B-60 or C-60 DD machine. I have seen original illustrations with grill cloth, yet these have wood grained horns. What's correct here? Kindest thanks for your thoughts. Michael Khanchalian (Cylinder Doctor) On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:58 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: One more loose thought, the Amberolas B5, D6, etc. that were shipped from cabinets left over after the December 1914 factory fire with the Amberola 30 and 50 mechanisms will have grille clothes to keep buyers from seeing the 'lovely' black swinging horn behind the grille. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question
Thank you Bob! Is your B-60 oak? Usually I have noted that green cloth was put on mahogany cabinets? I'd love a nice close up of your green cloth. What color is your tunable felt? Many thanks! Michael On Apr 24, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: Michael: I have a B-60 with the wood grained horn and the grill has green cloth. I am quite sure it is original. as Al mentions, DD machines are quite varied. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Michael F. Khanchalian Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:19 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question Here's a loose question for you Al or any others. On the B-60 or C-60 DD machine. I have seen original illustrations with grill cloth, yet these have wood grained horns. What's correct here? Kindest thanks for your thoughts. Michael Khanchalian (Cylinder Doctor) On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:58 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: One more loose thought, the Amberolas B5, D6, etc. that were shipped from cabinets left over after the December 1914 factory fire with the Amberola 30 and 50 mechanisms will have grille clothes to keep buyers from seeing the 'lovely' black swinging horn behind the grille. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Roller Wheel and Screw for Suitcase Standard or Home
I am looking for the small roller wheel and screw for my 2 clip Suitcase Standard. This fits onto the carriage. If available, let know the price and shipping. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison Bedplates
When discussing pinstriping a bedplate, somebody mentioned how to strip a bedplates paint. I noticed from previous experience that paint stripper was innefictive. The solution previously mentioned was soaking it in some kind of stripping liquid. Anyone know what that might be? Thanks Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bedplates
Randy: Actually, it was some kind of powder that when mixed with water works. It seems like it is quite powerful and toxic though. instructions were to use gloves and a mask. I would like to know as well. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Randy Larson Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:02 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Bedplates When discussing pinstriping a bedplate, somebody mentioned how to strip a bedplates paint. I noticed from previous experience that paint stripper was innefictive. The solution previously mentioned was soaking it in some kind of stripping liquid. Anyone know what that might be? Thanks Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Bedplates
On 4/25/2012 5:11 PM, Bob Maffit wrote: Actually, it was some kind of powder that when mixed with water works. It seems like it is quite powerful and toxic though. instructions were to use gloves and a mask. Sounds like it would be lye (sodium hydroxide, AKA drain cleaner), which is what the cheap and dirty professional furniture strippers use. That will take the coating of almost anything, including your skeleton. -- Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Roller Wheel and Screw for Suitcase Standard or Home
I am also in need of the roller screw. I have the roller. Let me know if you have. Thanks, Jeff Cecil From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 2:18:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Roller Wheel and Screw for Suitcase Standard or Home I am looking for the small roller wheel and screw for my 2 clip Suitcase Standard. This fits onto the carriage. If available, let know the price and shipping. Harvey Kravitz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] ARSC Preservation Grants Awards 2012
The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on the link below. 2012 ARSC PRESERVATION GRANTS AWARDS The ARSC Preservation Grants Committee is pleased to announce the recipients of the Grants for Preservation of Classical Music Historical Recordings. The program for these grants was founded in 2004 by Al Schlachtmeyer and the ARSC Board of Directors, to encourage and support the preservation of historically significant sound recordings of Western Art Music by individuals and organizations. --- Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra --- The Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra receives $10,000 to support a pilot audio preservation project to digitize a selection of its historical audio recordings, which date from 1971 to the present. This initiative is based on findings from an A. W. Mellon grant project to inventory and survey the Orchestra's archival holdings, and develop policies and priorities to deal with this archive. Most of the recordings were made after the Orchestra moved to Heinz Hall. Among the recordings are 2500 tapes of various types containing rehearsals and concerts, including notable premieres of scores by J. Harbison, K. Penderecki, A. Previn, and C. Theofandis. --- Longy School of Music, Cambridge, MA --- The Longy School of Music receives $10,000 to assist in funding its project for digital preservation transfer of recordings of classical music performances by the School's faculty, including Roman Totenberg and Irma Rogell. The recordings feature important guest performers, such as Artur Balsam, Anner Bylsma, D'Anna Fortunato, Claude Frank, Lillian Kallir, Anthony Newman, Virginia Pleasants, Jaap Schröder, and Daniel Stepner. For more information about the Grants for Preservation of Classical Music Historical Recordings, visit http://www.arsc-audio.org/preservationgrants.html The deadline for receipt of applications for the next grant cycle is December 15, 2012. The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
