Re: [Phono-L] Credenza X and VE8-12X coming along!
The closest thing to what was used OEM is Behlen Violin Varnish, can be difficult to find but it works well. The base coats were plain shellac followed by a top coat of the Violin Varnish. On 1/10/19 5:08 PM, Robert Wright via Phono-L wrote: Hello and happy new year to everyone! Two quick questions for you: 1. What's the best way to clean the piece pictured here? (It's the auto brake and start/stop lever assembly of a later Orthophonic.) Anything safe I can soak the whole thing in without destroying the gold lacquer finish? 2. What modern, commercially available product would be the closest match to the factory finish of the cabinet if I needed to refinish, say, the top of the lid? Victor used varnish, if I'm not mistaken. I'd like to get the same satin-y finish as what they had new. Thanks as always! Robert *From:* Phono-L on behalf of Rich via Phono-L *Sent:* Monday, December 10, 2018 9:43:03 AM *To:* phono-l@oldcrank.org *Cc:* Rich *Subject:* Re: [Phono-L] Credenza X and VE8-12X motor rebuilds Wedging sticks under the coils is not a permanent or proper fix. The fix is to vacuum fill the coils with class H insulating varnish. It is likely that these motors were never designed to operate on 120vAC which does not help either. 110vAC is not equivalent to 120vAC. I do not think anyone rebuilds these commercially, this is an antique restoration project. Might have better luck sourcing replacements that have not totally dried out and operate properly. --Rich On 12/10/18 8:53 AM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: ISTR that home Depot/Lowes have little bags of wooden shims, like scraps of wood shingles that might work in place of popsicle sticks (have you looked in your local grocery store for those?). Ron l -Original Message- From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright via Phono-L Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2018 4:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Robert Wright Subject: [Phono-L] Credenza X and VE8-12X motor rebuilds Happy December, friends! Thanks again for the help with my recently-acquired 8-12. George V did the mounting bracket to be like new while Walt is working on the reproducer. I also stumbled upon a Credenza X with a good bit of cabinet damage and no reproducer, but with a clean motor and interior, with the bracketless tonearm in great shape. I can do all the woodwork on the cabinet, but the two things I could use some help with are: What's the best way to find a good machine-specific reproducer for the Credenza X? I know it's one of the best ones they made, but I can't spend $600 on it right now. What would you do? Maybe find an Orthophonic suitcase model and scavenge the 'box off it? More pressing at the moment are the motors. The 8-12's motor I've mentioned already -- has a big, loud 60Hz hum from the coils loosening their grips on the cores. I can't find anywhere popsicle sticks will even fit, and I'd rather secure them with that doping compound that motor repair guys 'paint' all over them to quiet them. Basically, I know I'm in over my head there. And the motor for the Credenza X is nearly dead silent for the hum problem, but it unfortunately has some other mechanical noise I can't figure out (a clacking purr type of noise -- maybe the governor weights coming into contact with something they shouldn't?). It's always something! So I'm hoping some of you folks know someone out there who routinely rebuilds these motors who can take my money in exchange for doing these two. Or that one of you might be willing to. I'm hoping to dope up the coils on both of them to keep them as silent as possible for decades to come, and to have them disassembled, cleaned thoroughly, and relubed with the proper grease/oil, and to have them adjusted for optimal performance with new pads for the governors (and speed indicator in the case of the Credenza). I'm happy to pay whatever is required, obviously, I just need to know who to ask. Thanks (as always) for any and all help and advice! Best, Robert ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Credenza X and VE8-12X coming along!
You only need to remove old oil from the joints and hand crud from the finish. I'd use (have used) WD040 and a toothbrush to clean the mechanism and spray cleaner like Fantastic to clean the gold. Do not use polish. Relubricate moving parts with light oil. Put oil on the pad to avoid squeal. Ron From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright via Phono-L Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 6:08 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: Robert Wright Subject: [Phono-L] Credenza X and VE8-12X coming along! Hello and happy new year to everyone! Two quick questions for you: 1. What's the best way to clean the piece pictured here? (It's the auto brake and start/stop lever assembly of a later Orthophonic.) Anything safe I can soak the whole thing in without destroying the gold lacquer finish? 2. What modern, commercially available product would be the closest match to the factory finish of the cabinet if I needed to refinish, say, the top of the lid? Victor used varnish, if I'm not mistaken. I'd like to get the same satin-y finish as what they had new. Thanks as always! Robert _ From: Phono-L on behalf of Rich via Phono-L Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 9:43:03 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Rich Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Credenza X and VE8-12X motor rebuilds Wedging sticks under the coils is not a permanent or proper fix. The fix is to vacuum fill the coils with class H insulating varnish. It is likely that these motors were never designed to operate on 120vAC which does not help either. 110vAC is not equivalent to 120vAC. I do not think anyone rebuilds these commercially, this is an antique restoration project. Might have better luck sourcing replacements that have not totally dried out and operate properly. --Rich On 12/10/18 8:53 AM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L wrote: > ISTR that home Depot/Lowes have little bags of wooden shims, like scraps of > wood shingles that might work in place of popsicle sticks (have you looked > in your local grocery store for those?). > > Ron l > > -Original Message- > From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert > Wright via Phono-L > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2018 4:01 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Cc: Robert Wright > Subject: [Phono-L] Credenza X and VE8-12X motor rebuilds > > Happy December, friends! Thanks again for the help with my recently-acquired > 8-12. George V did the mounting bracket to be like new while Walt is working > on the reproducer. > > I also stumbled upon a Credenza X with a good bit of cabinet damage and no > reproducer, but with a clean motor and interior, with the bracketless > tonearm in great shape. I can do all the woodwork on the cabinet, but the > two things I could use some help with are: > > What's the best way to find a good machine-specific reproducer for the > Credenza X? I know it's one of the best ones they made, but I can't spend > $600 on it right now. What would you do? Maybe find an Orthophonic suitcase > model and scavenge the 'box off it? > > More pressing at the moment are the motors. The 8-12's motor I've mentioned > already -- has a big, loud 60Hz hum from the coils loosening their grips on > the cores. I can't find anywhere popsicle sticks will even fit, and I'd > rather secure them with that doping compound that motor repair guys 'paint' > all over them to quiet them. Basically, I know I'm in over my head there. > And the motor for the Credenza X is nearly dead silent for the hum problem, > but it unfortunately has some other mechanical noise I can't figure out (a > clacking purr type of noise -- maybe the governor weights coming into > contact with something they shouldn't?). It's always something! > > So I'm hoping some of you folks know someone out there who routinely > rebuilds these motors who can take my money in exchange for doing these two. > Or that one of you might be willing to. I'm hoping to dope up the coils on > both of them to keep them as silent as possible for decades to come, and to > have them disassembled, cleaned thoroughly, and relubed with the proper > grease/oil, and to have them adjusted for optimal performance with new pads > for the governors (and speed indicator in the case of the Credenza). I'm > happy to pay whatever is required, obviously, I just need to know who to > ask. > > Thanks (as always) for any and all help and advice! > > Best, > Robert > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe:
