[Phono-L] Phonograph & Mechanicals Auction

[Melissa Ricci via Phono-L]

Hello all,its time to sell the collection: Phonographs, Phono Accessories 
(reproducers/recorders, listening/speaking tubes), Many Edison Records & Record 
Cases, Horns, 1940s Wurlitzer 1015 Bubbler Juke Box, Coin-op Swiss 10-song 
Music Box, Parts, pinball machines, slot machines, gum ball machines, 
candlestick phones and more.Saturday, August 20 at 12 noon. Dovetail Auction 
Gallery, Cranston, RI 02920. See listing here:Public Auction Sale: Dovetail 
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Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc Stylus Rebuild

[Melissa Ricci via Phono-L]

I would also like to chime in to recommend Steve. He is the only person we 
would send our reproducers and recorders to. He does fantastic work, is a joy 
to work with and is very reasonably priced. He has worked on countless 
reproducers for us and two Edison recorders as well. They all come back looking 
and working like new. You could not find a nicer, more talented person to 
rebuild your reproducer. 
Melissa 


  From: charles smith via Phono-L 
 To: Antique Phonograph List 
Cc: charles smith 
 Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 5:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc Stylus Rebuild

Hi- And I would sincerely add to the comments of John Robles. I have known 
Steve Medved since 2007.He has rebuilt at least four Edison reproducers for me. 
In every rebuild, the reproducer came back cleaner and sounded MUCH better than 
before Steve worked on it. Steve is one of those rare people that repairs 
someone else's items just as good as if it were his. That is beyond my opinion, 
that is a fact.His goal is to have the reproducer look and sound it's best.He 
is my first choice, and I would recommend him to anyone. Charlie.


On Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:26 PM, John Robles via Phono-L 
 wrote:


 Hi!
Steve Medved in Kissimmee, Florida is the number one reproducer rebuilder, and 
his prices are reasonable. I send him a lot of work and always get the 
reproducers back sounding (and in many cases looking) like new.  Send me a 
private email and I will give you his email address.
John Robles


  From: rkruz--- via Phono-L 
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Cc: rk...@cox.net
 Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 11:20 AM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc Stylus Rebuild

I have a saphire stylus for a Diamond Disk W19.  I think the saphire is worn 
down becuase it seems to cause a lot of drag when playing a record.  In anycase 
its close to 100 years old and Id like to have someone rebuild it.

Do you have recommendations where I can send the head for a rebuild and saphire 
replacement?

Thank you for the input.
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[Phono-L] Early Notice - More Berliner Records Available - The ones that got away?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello all,
Sorry we have not been able to post as much lately as we have been devoting all 
of our time into our new business.
We have started an auction gallery with Melissa as our auctioneer, earlier this 
year which is the purpose of this letter. Last Fall, we stumbled into a cache 
of 50+ 7 Berliner, Early Victor and Zonophone records and sold almost all of 
them exclusively to the members of Phonolist and Phono-L. The remaining records 
are either unsold or were previously not for sale. We will be auctioning off 
the remainder of the records at our Friday, May 30th auction. We will be 
keeping just a few for ourselves. This is an early notice. Please visit 
www.dovetailauctions.com for the list of records and photos, both of which will 
be posted sometime this week. All are welcome to attend the auction in person. 
For those of you who are far away, absentee and phone bids will be gladly 
accepted. In addition to the Berliners we will be auctioning off An Edison 
Standard 2M Green-box (w/ freshly overhauled motor) complete with an original 
but repainted black/brass 14 Witch's hat
 horn and Model C reproducer (refurbished by the Great Mr. Medved), Blue 
Amberol lot, Assorted Horns, Assorted Phono Parts, 78 RPM records, Console 
Victrola with freshly overhauled motor and Mr. Medved refurbished Exhibition 
reproducer. Some pics are online now, the rest will follow sometime this week. 
More phono stuff will be available in future auctions. For questions and 
information, please contact us off list via our website's contact page.

Thanks! We look forward from hearing from you again!

Nick  Melissa
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[Phono-L] Our Mystery Victor III Solved

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone!

As many of you know, we sent pictures of our Mystery Victor III to the 
Victor-Victrola site for a formal appraisal and authentication. The experts on 
the site did an amazing job researching our machine and provided us with an 
extremely complete appraisal! The appraisal cost was only $19.95 and I would 
highly recommend them to anyone who has a rare machine that they need more 
information on. With their permission, I wanted to post the information about 
our machine here for anyone who is interested. We had never heard of a 
Vernis-Martin Victor or Victrola before and felt that we learned so much from 
this experience. Our goal is to share this information with the group so that 
you can all learn about it too. Just in case anyone else runs into a gold 
Victor with a strange cabinet.

Thank you all for your help in the process of figuring this machine out!

Melissa

FROM THE APPRAISAL:

In the early days of the industry, a small number of
distributors commissioned custom cabinets for Victor or Edison equipment. 
Often this consisted of elaborately carved cabinets with space to store a great
number of records.  In time, more elaborate and colorful cabinets were
offered.  A particularly popular finish was the Vernis Martin finish which
was fundamentally a gold imitation lacquer finish applied to a cabinet. 
The Vernis Martin finish was offered either as a totally gold cabinet or a gold
cabinet decorated with French influenced oil paintings.  The less
expensive Vernis Martin cabinets were imitation of gold, created by suspending
gold or copper powder in a varnish.  The more expensive cabinets used real
gold leaf as a base coat and often used oil paintings as decorative element.
These finishes were offered by a number of
distributors, who each had contracted with a local furniture manufacturing
company to supply the cabinets. The distributors would buy the standard
phonograph mechanisms and hardware directly from Victor, and would arrange to
have the special cabinets made to order.  Today, we do not know the complete 
story of the cabinets,
although we know that they were advertised by the Douglas Talking Machine
Company as well as the Victor Distribution and Export Company, both
distributors for Victor products who were located in New York.
This example of a Victor III in a gold leaf cabinet
shares some of the features of the special machines offered by the Victor
Distributing and Export Company of NYC.  While this exact instrument is
not shown in any of the contemporary advertising, the evidence suggests that
the cabinet was made by the same company that made the special cabinets offered
by The Victor Distributing and Export Company.  As an example, the molding
on this example matches the molding used by The Victor Distribution and Export
Company and shown in their ads. Examples of Victors with similar molding can be
found at the Victorian Palace museum in Illinois, and in other collections. 
Most surviving examples were of the more expensive models, such as the Victor V
or Victor VI products.
It is quite possible that this machine originally was
also supplied with a gold-leaf horn, or a polished brass horn. 
The tone arm, sound box, brake, speed control, crank,
crank escutcheon and horn elbow need to be re-plated in gold.  Some of
these parts are currently missing or in such poor condition that replacements
are required.  The cabinet needs a great deal of attention, including
replacement of a section of the top and the complete bottom.  The Vernis
Martin finish has reportedly been over-coated with a new finish and the
original paintings are barely visible.  The gold leaf is in poor shape and
should be redone.  The paintings will undoubtedly have to be completely
redone, using the faint original painting as a guide.  Once restored, the
machine would potentially double in value, however it is impossible to predict
the future value without examining the restored instrument and evaluating the
quality of the restoration.  A poor restoration could actually reduce the
value of this Victor.
 
 
 
 Database Summary:  There are currently 2,539 Victor III phonographs (standard
oak cabinet) logged in the survival database: S/N 21274 appears between:
·   s/n 21261 (fair example sold
on Ebay on December 5, 2002 for $425.00)
·   s/n 24319 (in private
collection in New Jersey)
There are only two other surviving Victor III
Vernis Martin phonographs logged in the database, they are s/n 14888 and s/n
16003. Approximately 15 other Vernis Martin Victors have been recorded,
including Victor MS, Victor V and Victor VI models. 
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[Phono-L] Berliner Records for Sale

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,
 
Nick and I have decided to sell most of the 7 inch Berliner
records we bought last month at auction. We have a total of 51 records in nice,
clean playable condition and 5 records with a crack, chip or skip. We have now
listened to each and every record using a modern, light tone arm and turntable
to make sure they play clean from beginning to end with no skips. As with all
of these records, they do have the typical background noise and surface marks. 
 
We have done the usual research online and have found that
the price of these records can range anywhere from $5.00-$20.00 for a damaged
record up to $80.00-$300.00 for an excellent playing record depending on the
artist and/or content. There were even a few rare exceptions that sold over 
$1000.00. 
 
Our original plan was to put each record on Ebay and let
them each get their fair market value. However, with so many records to list
and the new higher Ebay and Paypal fees that are in place, we have decided to
offer them here before putting them online. 
 
Since there is such a wide range of prices for the records,
we would like to sell our undamaged, clean playing, tested records at the
middle of the road price of $60.00 each plus actual shipping costs. Some of
these records will probably fetch much more on Ebay, some maybe slightly less
but in the end, we feel it is a fair base price per clean record. 
 
I am attaching a PDF list of all the records we have. We
purchased this collection as one lot so it is probable that they were part of
someone’s original library of records from back in the day. This list may be
useful to anyone who is keeping track of this historical information.
 
In this list, a notation is next to each title so you can
see our impressions of the record as we listened to it play. “Clean” means that
the record played all the way through without skipping. Your equipment may
alter the sound of the record when compared with ours so please take this into
consideration. We can send pictures and more info to anyone who is interested
and will package the records extremely carefully for shipping. If you live in
the Northeast, you are welcome to come by and pick them up for free. 
 
After my original post about us purchasing the records, I
received many emails from list members who were interested in buying them
before we had a chance to listen to them or make the decision to sell them.
Therefore, this will be done on a first come, first serve basis. Mix and match
as many clean titles as you would like for $60.00 a piece plus actual shipping.
Feel free to make an offer one or all of the five damaged records. Any unsold
records will go on Ebay at a later date.   
 
Thank you!
Melissa 
 
P.S: Records that are not currently for sale are in Bold.
 
#3420 “The Swiss Polka” has a small piece broken off of the
edge of the record. It plays clean from the break to the end. We have the
broken piece so that it may be repaired. #A630 has a very slight hairline crack
and plays clean all the way through. 
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[Phono-L] PDF attachment

[Melissa Ricci]

I completely forgot that you can't send attachments through the list. Please 
email me off list and I will be happy to send the PDF to you.

Thank you,
Melissa 
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Re: [Phono-L] PDF attachment

[Melissa Ricci]

Oh, good. Thank you.

The records are selling very fast tonight. So, if you are interested in any, 
please email me asap.

Thanks,
Melissa 



 From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] PDF attachment
 

Your pdf did post as it is pulled and linked to another server, works 
just fine.

On 09/27/2013 06:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 I completely forgot that you can't send attachments through the list. Please 
 email me off list and I will be happy to send the PDF to you.

 Thank you,
 Melissa
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[Phono-L] Updated Berliner List

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone and thank you for all of your interest in our records tonight. 
Here is an updated list of the records. All of the records that are now sold or 
not for sale appear in red. All others are still for sale. 

They have been selling fast all evening! :)

If you need the PDF to be sent to you off list, please let me know.

Thank you!
Melissa 
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Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!

[Melissa Ricci]

Very cool! I thought you sounded like a writer. :)

Thank you!
Melissa 



 From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
 

Learning is ultimately what it's all about.  Or was it the Hokey Pokey?  I get 
confused...

I'm a pop-up book designer (among other things), so one foot is always in the 
publishing world.
My pop-up website is www.popyrus.com.

Best,
Andrew

On Sep 10, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

 Thank you, Andrew! 
 
 Steve really is second to none. All of our reproducers sound like the one in 
 the video. Loud, clear and beautiful! 
 
 We very much appreciate your opinion on the authenticity of the machine. We 
 feel like we have learned so much in the past two weeks! It has been so much 
 fun. As I said, we are going to continue to find out as much as we can about 
 its history. We will be sure to keep updating the group as we learn more. 
 There will definitely be at least one follow up video when it is completed. 
 
 Incidentally, are you a writer or a teacher? The wording in your emails is 
 just wonderful! :)
 
 Thanks so much again!
 Melissa 
 
 
 
 From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
 
 
 That would explain the great sound.  I'm also a recipient of Steve's 
 expertise and labor, and count myself very fortunate to be able to say that.
 
 Regarding the choice of a Victor III for the Vernis-Martin finish, it 
 wouldn't be the first time that a less than top-of-the-line Victor or 
 Victrola was given this treatment.
 No doubt in my mind about what you have.  The images of the artistic graphics 
 lurking beneath the gold paint are at once haunting, inspiring and compelling.
 
 Thanks again for sharing your find and taking the time to produce the video 
 and make it available.
 
 Andrew Baron
 Santa Fe
 
 
 On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 
 Thank you so much, Andrew! What a nice email. 
 
 The reason the sound is so good is because Steve Medved rebuilt that 
 reproducer for us! Unfortunately, the machine did not come with its 
 reproducer, so we put one of our extra ones on it for testing. Steve does 
 such a great job on our reproducers!
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Melissa 
 
 
 
 From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
 Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
 
 
 A hearty congratulations Melissa, and thanks for the update.  A truly 
 inspiring progress report.
 
 Great to see the mandolin and roses under the existing gold paint, and the 
 machine sounds wonderful.  How satisfying it must be to have it alive again 
 with its new mainsprings.  Looks like new reproducer gaskets and flange as 
 well, underscoring a triumphant recording.
 
 Machines like this, that are so rare and have survived more than a century 
 through questionable practices and poor conditions, have real stories to 
 tell.  Thanks for sharing this one.
 
 Andrew Baron
 Santa Fe
 
 On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
  
 Here is an update on our Mystery Victor III. First, we would
 like to thank everybody who emailed us with advice and help! You are all
 wonderful!
  
 We were emailed off list about what we now know we really
 have. It turns out that back in the day, Victor made special custom made
 cabinet styles for the ultra wealthy. When you are that wealthy, you could 
 get
 pretty much anything you wanted including a gold Victor with hand painted
 figures on the sides and all gold plated hardware! The style is called
 Vernis-Martin and was apparently pretty popular with those who could afford 
 it.
 The different columns, cabinet style and color were all a special order, 
 which
 now makes perfect sense. The patent plate was originally on the inside so 
 that
 it wouldn’t cover the flowers. We were wondering why there were no extra
 pinholes anywhere on the outside of the cabinet. Now we know. 
  
 We assumed correctly that the machine had been re-painted
 during its lifetime and unfortunately, the person who “restored” it painted
 fresh gold paint right over the original finish and the hand painted
 decorations! Once we cleaned the cabinet up, you could clearly see a 
 mandolin,
 sheet music and roses with leaves under the topcoat of paint. You can also 
 see
 the original bright gold leaf under the ugly new paint. We are in the 
 process
 of finding an expert in restoring these types of finishes and getting a 
 formal
 appraisal.
  
 It is a good thing we were contacted about this when we
 were. We were all set to strip the cabinet and refinish it last weekend! 
 What a
 disaster that would have been

Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Mike,

How interesting! I have never heard of that before. We are learning so many new 
things this week.

Thank you!
Melissa



 From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
 

Melissa,
A little tip learned years ago. Shape a piece of cork or whatever medium
you choose to fit into the the tone arms U-tube. You want it to have a 45
degree cut. Put in front of the U-tube screw so as sound leaves the
reproducer it hits the 45 degree angle and travels directly to the horn,.
good will get better. A direct path instead of bouncing around.
Mike
Oldcranky


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Thank you, Andrew!

 Steve really is second to none. All of our reproducers sound like the one
 in the video. Loud, clear and beautiful!

 We very much appreciate your opinion on the authenticity of the machine.
 We feel like we have learned so much in the past two weeks! It has been so
 much fun. As I said, we are going to continue to find out as much as we can
 about its history. We will be sure to keep updating the group as we learn
 more. There will definitely be at least one follow up video when it is
 completed.

 Incidentally, are you a writer or a teacher? The wording in your emails is
 just wonderful! :)

 Thanks so much again!
 Melissa


 
  From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!


 That would explain the great sound.  I'm also a recipient of Steve's
 expertise and labor, and count myself very fortunate to be able to say that.

 Regarding the choice of a Victor III for the Vernis-Martin finish, it
 wouldn't be the first time that a less than top-of-the-line Victor or
 Victrola was given this treatment.
 No doubt in my mind about what you have.  The images of the artistic
 graphics lurking beneath the gold paint are at once haunting, inspiring and
 compelling.

 Thanks again for sharing your find and taking the time to produce the
 video and make it available.

 Andrew Baron
 Santa Fe


 On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

  Thank you so much, Andrew! What a nice email.
 
  The reason the sound is so good is because Steve Medved rebuilt that
 reproducer for us! Unfortunately, the machine did not come with its
 reproducer, so we put one of our extra ones on it for testing. Steve does
 such a great job on our reproducers!
 
  Thanks again,
 
  Melissa
 
 
  
  From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com
  To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
 
 
  A hearty congratulations Melissa, and thanks for the update.  A truly
 inspiring progress report.
 
  Great to see the mandolin and roses under the existing gold paint, and
 the machine sounds wonderful.  How satisfying it must be to have it alive
 again with its new mainsprings.  Looks like new reproducer gaskets and
 flange as well, underscoring a triumphant recording.
 
  Machines like this, that are so rare and have survived more than a
 century through questionable practices and poor conditions, have real
 stories to tell.  Thanks for sharing this one.
 
  Andrew Baron
  Santa Fe
 
  On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 
  Hello Everyone,
 
  Here is an update on our Mystery Victor III. First, we would
  like to thank everybody who emailed us with advice and help! You are all
  wonderful!
 
  We were emailed off list about what we now know we really
  have. It turns out that back in the day, Victor made special custom made
  cabinet styles for the ultra wealthy. When you are that wealthy, you
 could get
  pretty much anything you wanted including a gold Victor with hand
 painted
  figures on the sides and all gold plated hardware! The style is called
  Vernis-Martin and was apparently pretty popular with those who could
 afford it.
  The different columns, cabinet style and color were all a special
 order, which
  now makes perfect sense. The patent plate was originally on the inside
 so that
  it wouldn’t cover the flowers. We were wondering why there were no extra
  pinholes anywhere on the outside of the cabinet. Now we know.
 
  We assumed correctly that the machine had been re-painted
  during its lifetime and unfortunately, the person who “restored” it
 painted
  fresh gold paint right over the original finish and the hand painted
  decorations! Once we cleaned the cabinet up, you could clearly see a
 mandolin,
  sheet music and roses with leaves under the topcoat of paint. You can
 also see
  the original bright gold leaf under the ugly new paint. We are in the
 process
  of finding an expert in restoring these types of finishes

Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!

[Melissa Ricci]

Thank you so much, Andrew! What a nice email. 

The reason the sound is so good is because Steve Medved rebuilt that reproducer 
for us! Unfortunately, the machine did not come with its reproducer, so we put 
one of our extra ones on it for testing. Steve does such a great job on our 
reproducers!

Thanks again,

Melissa 



 From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
 

A hearty congratulations Melissa, and thanks for the update.  A truly inspiring 
progress report.

Great to see the mandolin and roses under the existing gold paint, and the 
machine sounds wonderful.  How satisfying it must be to have it alive again 
with its new mainsprings.  Looks like new reproducer gaskets and flange as 
well, underscoring a triumphant recording.

Machines like this, that are so rare and have survived more than a century 
through questionable practices and poor conditions, have real stories to tell.  
Thanks for sharing this one.

Andrew Baron
Santa Fe

On Sep 8, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:

 Hello Everyone,
  
 Here is an update on our Mystery Victor III. First, we would
 like to thank everybody who emailed us with advice and help! You are all
 wonderful!
  
 We were emailed off list about what we now know we really
 have. It turns out that back in the day, Victor made special custom made
 cabinet styles for the ultra wealthy. When you are that wealthy, you could get
 pretty much anything you wanted including a gold Victor with hand painted
 figures on the sides and all gold plated hardware! The style is called
 Vernis-Martin and was apparently pretty popular with those who could afford 
 it.
 The different columns, cabinet style and color were all a special order, which
 now makes perfect sense. The patent plate was originally on the inside so that
 it wouldn’t cover the flowers. We were wondering why there were no extra
 pinholes anywhere on the outside of the cabinet. Now we know. 
  
 We assumed correctly that the machine had been re-painted
 during its lifetime and unfortunately, the person who “restored” it painted
 fresh gold paint right over the original finish and the hand painted
 decorations! Once we cleaned the cabinet up, you could clearly see a mandolin,
 sheet music and roses with leaves under the topcoat of paint. You can also see
 the original bright gold leaf under the ugly new paint. We are in the process
 of finding an expert in restoring these types of finishes and getting a formal
 appraisal.
  
 It is a good thing we were contacted about this when we
 were. We were all set to strip the cabinet and refinish it last weekend! What 
 a
 disaster that would have been. Below is a link to see the machine running for
 the first time. The machine had two broken springs that we just replaced along
 with a good motor cleaning. I tried to get a good shot of the mandolin on the
 left side of the cabinet. I hope you can see it through the paint on Youtube. 
 Please note that the original crank is missing from this machine so we 
 borrowed one from our other Victor III. 
  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQobeO-HfLwfeature=youtu.be  
  
 We are thrilled to own such a rare machine and it is going
 to stay in our collection for a while before we ever consider selling it. We
 certainly want to make it look as nice as we possibly can while still keeping
 it as original as possible. 
  
 We will send a post when we find an expert to remove that
 top layer of paint and try to restore the images underneath. What we thought
 was a frankenphone turned out to be something special. You never know what
 you’re going to come across at an auction!
  
 Happy Hunting. J
  
 Melissa and Nick
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Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Rick and Stephan,

We felt the exact same way when we first saw the machine. We almost didn't even 
bid on it because we were pretty convinced that it was some sort of hand made 
frankenphone. It is very curious that a wealthy person would choose a slightly 
lower end machine to put such a fancy finish on. That stumped the expert who 
contacted us as well, although from what I understand, stranger things have 
happened. We were also told that the serial number dates the machine to 1910 
which was a little late for this type of machine and decoration. All of that 
certainly adds to the mystery and we are hoping to continue researching to find 
some more answers. 

Once we get the machine in the best possible shape, we are going to submit 
fresh pictures to get a formal appraisal which will also help authenticate the 
machine. We are as surprised as can be, trust me! We were days away from 
stripping this thing down to bare wood. Since we found the painted figures 
under the top coat, and sent the pics to a few notable people, we are now 
pretty confident it is real, odd, but real. That is why we decided to make this 
post to the group. Before we found the decoration, there was still a chance it 
was just a homemade mess so we kept it to ourselves. 

The person who contacted us off list is a true expert and once we get 
permission to do so, we will let you know who the expert is.  Since we had 
never heard of such a thing, we are taking that person's word that it is 
authentic. There were also a couple other people who confirmed it for us as 
well once we sent them pictures. 

To answer your question, we did take the entire machine apart and all the holes 
appear factory made and line up perfectly. There are no extra holes at all. The 
joints and the wood all seems perfect. There are no mismatched pieces or out of 
place seams. It is all definitely old and worn with some damage and typical 
alligatoring to the surface. All of the hardware has original gold plating from 
the brake and speed control to the tone arm and horn elbow. The inside of the 
machine, even under the hinges is all gold leaf. I scratched off a bit of the 
new paint from the front column and the gleaming gold leaf is right under the 
surface. 

We found a restorer who told us today that she may be able to save the painted 
decorations and re-gold leaf the cabinet. We will certainly post here as things 
progress. 

We are still searching for more answers so we'll let you know what happens. 

Thanks again for you interest in our machine.
Melissa 





 From: rick phonofo...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
 

As a  follow up to Stephan, are you sure this is a special order model? Did you 
remove the back bracket and look at the holes to see if the hoels were straight 
and to verify if the holes were drilled in a factory or by a hand drill? I 
would want to be sure that this case was not made by a cabinet maker where only 
the parts were taken from a Victor III.



-Original Message-
From: Stephan Puille berli...@msn.com
To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!


I am surprised that an ultra wealthy chose a comparatively cheap machine for 
uch a costly decoration method. The restoration will show if the artistic 
uality is up to the standard we expect from well executed vernis Martin style. 
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Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Rick and Stephan,

We felt the exact same way when we first saw the machine. We almost didn't even 
bid on it because we were pretty convinced that it was some sort of hand made 
frankenphone. It is very curious that a wealthy person would choose a slightly 
lower end machine to put such a fancy finish on. That stumped the expert who 
contacted us as well, although from what I understand, stranger things have 
happened. We were also told that the serial number dates the machine to 1910 
which was a little late for this type of machine and decoration. All of that 
certainly adds to the mystery and we are hoping to continue researching to find 
some more answers. 

Once we get the machine in the best possible shape, we are going to submit 
fresh pictures to get a formal appraisal which will also help authenticate the 
machine. We are as surprised as can be, trust me! We were days away from 
stripping this thing down to bare wood. Since we found the painted figures 
under the top coat, and sent the pics to a few notable people, we are now 
pretty confident it is real, odd, but real. That is why we decided to make this 
post to the group. Before we found the decoration, there was still a chance it 
was just a homemade mess so we kept it to ourselves. 

The person who contacted us off list is a true expert and once we get 
permission to do so, we will let you know who the expert is.  Since we had 
never heard of such a thing, we are taking that person's word that it is 
authentic. There were also a couple other people who confirmed it for us as 
well once we sent them pictures. 

To answer your question, we did take the entire machine apart and all the holes 
appear factory made and line up perfectly. There are no extra holes at all. The 
joints and the wood all seems perfect. There are no mismatched pieces or out of 
place seams. It is all definitely old and worn with some damage and typical 
alligatoring to the surface. All of the hardware has original gold plating from 
the brake and speed control to the tone arm and horn elbow. The inside of the 
machine, even under the hinges is all gold leaf. I scratched off a bit of the 
new paint from the front column and the gleaming gold leaf is right under the 
surface. 

We found a restorer who told us today that she may be able to save the painted 
decorations and re-gold leaf the cabinet. We will certainly post here as things 
progress. 

We are still searching for more answers so we'll let you know what happens. 

Thanks again for you interest in our machine.
Melissa 



 From: Stephan Puille berli...@msn.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!
 

I am surprised that an ultra wealthy chose a comparatively cheap machine for 
such a costly decoration method. The restoration will show if the artistic 
quality is up to the standard we expect from well executed vernis Martin style. 

Stephan 

                          
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[Phono-L] Mystery Victor III-UPDATE!

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,
 
Here is an update on our Mystery Victor III. First, we would
like to thank everybody who emailed us with advice and help! You are all
wonderful!
 
We were emailed off list about what we now know we really
have. It turns out that back in the day, Victor made special custom made
cabinet styles for the ultra wealthy. When you are that wealthy, you could get
pretty much anything you wanted including a gold Victor with hand painted
figures on the sides and all gold plated hardware! The style is called
Vernis-Martin and was apparently pretty popular with those who could afford it.
The different columns, cabinet style and color were all a special order, which
now makes perfect sense. The patent plate was originally on the inside so that
it wouldn’t cover the flowers. We were wondering why there were no extra
pinholes anywhere on the outside of the cabinet. Now we know. 
 
We assumed correctly that the machine had been re-painted
during its lifetime and unfortunately, the person who “restored” it painted
fresh gold paint right over the original finish and the hand painted
decorations! Once we cleaned the cabinet up, you could clearly see a mandolin,
sheet music and roses with leaves under the topcoat of paint. You can also see
the original bright gold leaf under the ugly new paint. We are in the process
of finding an expert in restoring these types of finishes and getting a formal
appraisal.
 
It is a good thing we were contacted about this when we
were. We were all set to strip the cabinet and refinish it last weekend! What a
disaster that would have been. Below is a link to see the machine running for
the first time. The machine had two broken springs that we just replaced along
with a good motor cleaning. I tried to get a good shot of the mandolin on the
left side of the cabinet. I hope you can see it through the paint on Youtube. 
Please note that the original crank is missing from this machine so we borrowed 
one from our other Victor III. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQobeO-HfLwfeature=youtu.be  
 
We are thrilled to own such a rare machine and it is going
to stay in our collection for a while before we ever consider selling it. We
certainly want to make it look as nice as we possibly can while still keeping
it as original as possible. 
 
We will send a post when we find an expert to remove that
top layer of paint and try to restore the images underneath. What we thought
was a frankenphone turned out to be something special. You never know what
you’re going to come across at an auction!
 
Happy Hunting. J
 
Melissa and Nick
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Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Records

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi,

Right now we are planning on cleaning them up and enjoying them for awhile. I 
think we will end up selling a few of them at some point just because there are 
so many. I will let you know when and if we do decide to sell some.

Thanks,
Melissa 



 From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Records
 

Melissa,Are you selling any of the Berliners?

 From: zonophone2...@aol.com
 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 05:14:41 -0400
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Records
 
 hopefully you got some consolidated records too
 you can cruise ebay to find some prices but looks like a good find
  
  
 In a message dated 8/29/2013 9:13:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 vinyl.visi...@live.com writes:
 
 Melissa,Only 9714 came up for me... how many actual Berliner  records did 
 you get?
 
  Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:51:21 -0700
   From: riccib...@yahoo.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org;  phonol...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner Records
   
  Hello Again,
  
  Nick and I also won 54 early 7 inch  Berliner, Victor, Zonophone, and 
 Improved etched records at the auction. We  know that some of these can be 
 valuable and know a little about them but would  love an expert opinion on 
 the 
 collection. Most of the records are Berliner  Gramophone records with the 
 etched titles. About half of them are signed by  the artist who sang the song 
 or conducted the band. There are some really nice  titles like Yankee 
 Doodle and Blue Bells of Scotland. We also have several  etched Zonophone 
 records, about 10 Improved records a few Victor without the  dog and one 
 Victor 
 with the dog. Here are a few pics. We are interested in  anything you can 
 tell us.
  
  Thanks again!
   Melissa
  
   
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09714.jpg.html
   
   
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09713.jpg.html
   
   
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09712.jpg.html
   
   
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09711.jpg.html
   
   
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09710.jpg.html
   
  
   
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09709.jpg.html
   
   
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09708.jpg.html  
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[Phono-L] P B Blaster!

[Melissa Ricci]

I wanted to thank all of you for recommending P B Blaster for getting a stuck 
turntable off! As you can see, it worked like a charm! It took an overnight 
soaking and all day of tapping with the mallet but we just liberated it from 
the Victor III we bought. Now we can get inside that motor, clean it up and get 
it working. 

Thanks again, guys! That was much easier than using liquid wrench and it was a 
very stubborn turntable.

Melissa 

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09718.jpg.html

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09717.jpg.html
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[Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,

Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. 
Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The double 
spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the upper works 
appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate (tacked inside the 
cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also came with a nice 
original wood horn. 

The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. 
After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet 
types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style 
Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The 
wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be 
correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III 
parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was 
unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a 
few links to pictures we just took. 

Any ideas are greatly appreciated!

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html


Thanks,
Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Harvey,

Thanks for your insight! Nick is trying to get the turntable off as we speak to 
check for those extra holes. It is rusted on tight and it has been a long day 
today so we may wait til the weekend to actually get it off. He says he can see 
under the turntable and that there do not appear to be any extra holes just the 
three screws holding the motor on. 

Thanks again,
Melissa 



 From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
 

From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet looks 
old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the turn table to 
see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If so, that would mean a 
swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old stock that was modified by 
the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman. If there are no extra holes in 
the cabinet, I would strip and refinish it. It would be a very unique machine.
Harvey Kravitz





From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com
To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
phonol...@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?


Hello Everyone,

Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. 
Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The double 
spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the upper works 
appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate (tacked inside the 
cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also came with a nice 
original wood horn. 

The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. 
After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet 
types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style 
Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The 
wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be 
correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III 
parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was 
unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a 
few links to pictures we just took. 

Any ideas are greatly appreciated!

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html


Thanks,
Melissa
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[Phono-L] Berliner Records

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Again,

Nick and I also won 54 early 7 inch Berliner, Victor, Zonophone, and Improved 
etched records at the auction. We know that some of these can be valuable and 
know a little about them but would love an expert opinion on the collection. 
Most of the records are Berliner Gramophone records with the etched titles. 
About half of them are signed by the artist who sang the song or conducted the 
band. There are some really nice titles like Yankee Doodle and Blue Bells of 
Scotland. We also have several etched Zonophone records, about 10 Improved 
records a few Victor without the dog and one Victor with the dog. Here are a 
few pics. We are interested in anything you can tell us.

Thanks again!
Melissa

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09714.jpg.html

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09713.jpg.html

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09712.jpg.html

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09711.jpg.html

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09710.jpg.html


http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09709.jpg.html

http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09708.jpg.html 
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Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?

[Melissa Ricci]

I am so glad to hear you suggest that! I have been thinking that the columns 
are replaced as well! I have never seen an HMV cabinet so I cannot compare the 
two.

Thanks!
Melissa



 From: John Robles john9...@pacbell.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
 

I think it's a Vic iii with replaced columns or maybe an hmv cabinet. It has 
the right Vic iii design except for the columns.
John Robles

On Aug 29, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Everyone,
 
 Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. 
 Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The 
 double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the 
 upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate 
 (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also 
 came with a nice original wood horn. 
 
 The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. 
 After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet 
 types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style 
 Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The 
 wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be 
 correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III 
 parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was 
 unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are 
 a few links to pictures we just took. 
 
 Any ideas are greatly appreciated!
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html
 
 
 http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html
 
 
 Thanks,
 Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successorpublication name

[Melissa Ricci]

Just my humble opinion, but I have always liked the name In the Groove and 
will be sorry to see it go if it is voted down. I also really like the current 
format and design of the publication. I hope that will not change.
Melissa 



 From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successorpublication 
name
 

If it's to be considered a new organization, I'd imagine it makes sense to give 
it a new name, let's say something like the American Antique Phonograph 
Society, just for talking purposes.

Then it's a no-brainer to name the periodical The AAPS Journal.

As others have said, keeping things simple is usually a good strategy. And 
you're not pointing the emphasis towards machines or records, if that matters - 
although the record people have their own clubs and journals, right?  I guess 
the two phono clubs are mostly hardware related, but also naturally with 
coverage of the media we play on that hardware - but still coming from the 
machine standpoint overall. 

In The Groove was always sort of non-descriptive and hackneyed in my (likely 
insignificant) opinion, although I can see how it would have sentimental value 
for some. I used to belong to MAPS in order to receive it, but dropped out when 
its quality declined a few years back.

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com

On Jul 11, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Paul Christenzen pic...@gmail.com wrote:

 Disagree!!! Nothing wrong with a good cliche (IF it even is one), 
 historically significant, recognized world-wide and makes a good acronym.
 
 Paul Christenzen, simple-minded collector
 
 
 Bruce wrote:
 OK, I'll step up to be the first person to disagree with Steve.
 
 When the improvements were being made to the former CAPS publication, The
 Sound Box, concurrent with the name change to the organization, we wanted a
 name for the publication that would speak to the stature of its quality.
 Names like The Sound Box seemed too much like a cliché that fell far short
 of the quality of the product. In the Groove as a publication name,
 regardless of its age, falls short as well.
 
 Bruce Peterson - former CAPS/APS president
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
 Behalf Of Melissa Ricci
 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:26 AM
 To: Antique Phonograph List
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and
 successorpublication name
 
 Well said, Steve! I agree 100%
 
 Melissa
 
 
 
  From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com
 To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:37 AM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successor publication
 name
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I am posting this to both Phonolist and Phono-L -- the two  listserves I
 subscribe to.
 Those of you who belong to the Antique Phonograph Sovciety  (formerly known
 as the Calif. APS) should have received a letter in the mail  this week (or
 will shortly -- mine came yesterday) detailing the proposed  merger of the
 APS with MAPS effective January 1, 2014, (I'm guessing MAPS  members will
 get
 something soon.). I was told that there was a preliminary  meeting of
 members held at the Union show lat month, though no mention was  made in any
 
 reports of the show on either of these lists. So the mailing from  CAPS was
 the
 first formal document I saw.
 As outlined in the letter, the two organizations are often  serving the
 same group with  160  members (of MAPS' 607 and APS's 400 members belonging
 to
 both. Economically it  makes sense because postage to mail each society's
 magazine/journal is the  biggest cost. By combining memberships, there would
 
 be one dues and this might  attract more members. (Side note here: Every
 person on these newsgroups should  belong to at least one of these
 organizations to support the  hobby.).
 The plan is to take the best of both magazines and combine into  one.
 Currently APS's magazine focuses on pre-electric phonographs and and some
 recordings -- mostly pre-1910 -- while ITG (MAPs' magazine) covers recording
 artists as well as reissues of pre-Lp era recordings.  (As most of you know,
 I
 have  contributed a monthly -- now bi-monthly -- column, Anything
 Phonographic
 to  ITG for over 20 years , not missing one issue  yet!).
 I definitely support the merger if it will mean continuing the  great
 volunteer work done by the Boards and contributors of both  organizations.
 But --
 as I wrote in a letter to both boards yesterday -- I feel  that the proposal
 to make the name of the new society's publication -- which  would be
 published quarterly with more yearly pages than either has now -- The
 Antique
 Phonograph is not a good move. Personally I do not feel that it  reflects
 the
 contents

Re: [Phono-L] Music Box?

[Melissa Ricci]

I think it might be an Arco music box. Someone on Phonolist sent me a link to 
one and it is almost exactly what is in the auction.
Thanks for the help.
Melissa 



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To: phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Music Box?
 



In a message dated 6/15/2013 4:05:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
riccib...@yahoo.com writes:


I  have come across a very strange music box at a nearby auction. Has 
anyone ever  seen a music box that plays paper rolls similar to player piano  
rolls

I'm assuming you mean an Organette like this one on Ebay, right?

http://tinyurl.com/kmeucyt

Steve
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[Phono-L] Music Box?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,

I have come across a very strange music box at a nearby auction. Has anyone 
ever seen a music box that plays paper rolls similar to player piano rolls? 
There are no identifying marks or numbers anywhere on the piece to help in 
it#39;s identification. I know it isn#39;t exactly a phonograph but it is 
really unusual and I thought some of you may also collect music boxes. I have 
one picture of it if anyone is interested. Feel free to contact me off list. 

Thanks,
Melissa
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[Phono-L] All dolled up! Edison Doll Parts Needed!

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,

We just got home from an antiques auction where we won an Edison talking doll!! 
She really looks to be in very good condition for being nearly 120 years old. 
Unfortunately, she is missing her phonograph.

Her bisque head has no cracks and is stamped 224 on the back. She has all four 
teeth and her paint is clean and bright. There is a cork in the back of the 
head. Her arms and legs are wood/composite and appear to have been restrung at 
some point. She is missing a few fingers and one of her big toes. We think we 
can easily remake these but don't want to over restore her. She has what 
appears to be a very old, if not original, wig and what looks to be newer doll 
clothes. 

We have read a lot about these dolls online to learn about their history. 
However, we are not sure if replacement phonographs, original and/or repros, 
still exist in the market. We would like to restore her to as original 
condition as possible. So, we would need to know what can and should be done 
and what should be left alone. We have many pictures available to anyone who is 
interested. 

Thanks so much!
Melissa and Nick 
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Re: [Phono-L] All dolled up! Edison Doll Parts Needed!

[Melissa Ricci]

Thanks Dennis!

--- On Sat, 4/20/13, Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] All dolled up! Edison Doll Parts Needed!
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Saturday, April 20, 2013, 6:48 PM

Melissa,

I just sent you Charley's contact info offlist.

Dennis 


--- On Sat, 4/20/13, Ricciband riccib...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Ricciband riccib...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] All dolled up! Edison Doll Parts Needed!
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Saturday, April 20, 2013, 4:50 PM

Thank you for the great lead, Dennis! Do you know Charley's contact info?
Thanks,
Melissa

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Re: [Phono-L] Slamming Steve, was: Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block

[Melissa Ricci]

I am so sorry that I did not check my email earlier to respond to this quicker. 
Steve is the best person, collector and repairman that Nick and I have ever had 
the pleasure of working with! He is honest, friendly and incredibly 
knowledgeable. When we were brand new to the hobby Steve took us under his wing 
and taught us so much. He has restored all of our reproducers and recorders! We 
have literally sent him a bag of pieces and he sent back a perfect reproducer 
at an unbelievably fair price. He continues to be the only person we trust with 
our collection and he is our go to guy for questions and advice. Anyone who 
would say a word against him either has their own issues or the whole thing is 
a huge misunderstanding. I am glad to see all the support for him on the list. 
He has earned it!
Melissa

--- On Tue, 3/26/13, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Slamming Steve, was:  Attn: Steve Medved, re: original 
hinge block
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 8:20 PM

Since I have no real idea of what the issue was/is with the hinge block, I can 
only say that trust is the real issue... I have sent Steve parts, that if they 
were to be lost or misplaced, they would definitely be a needle in a haystack 
to find and re-purchase. However, since I TRUST Steve to take care of them in 
a competent and professional matter, I have not worried. In fact, if my parts 
had been lost for whatever reason, I would still trust him that it was beyond 
his control, because of who he is. Who would offer to send the parts at no 
charge in this day and age, just to make up for some misunderstanding??? 
I have trusted a motor for my Fairy Phonograph lamp to a 
collector/electrician, who I know is making every effort to repair it - and, 
has he had it since last fall... some things take time. If he loses it, or 
misplaces it - I am screwed, but I 'TRUST him and he hasn't proved me wrong. 
But.. to make an issue over a hinge block is another issue in itself, as is a 
week of waiting... get over it, if it got lost it can easily be replaced and it 
wouldn't be Steve's fault.
 From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:03:23 -0700
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Slamming Steve, was:  Attn: Steve Medved, re: original 
 hinge block
 
 Interesting.
 
 Just found a quote online, from someone we're getting to know better today, 
 and which can also be applied to this unfortunate situation:
 
 This is indeed unfortunate.
 But everyone please remember that the people
 who do things such as this set up bad vibes
 for themselves in the universe.
 Sooner or later, those vibes catch up with them.
 
 People are ultimately and individually responsible for their deeds, and what 
 ever they
 do in their lives sticks to them.
 
            -- Chuck Richards, from 
http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=12347
 
 
 So according to your own philosophy, the universe will soon be pointing 
 certain tools right back at you.
 
 Hope they're not too sharp.
 
 -- Peter
 pjfra...@mac.com
 
 On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:49 PM, chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net wrote:
 
  No slamming intended.  Just using whatever means
  are available to resolve this.
  
  There are certain tools around, and sometimes they
  need to be used.
  
  Chuck
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Original Message 
  From: kb...@charter.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
  Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:45:52 -0500
  
  I just can't sit idle with a slam towards Steve.  He is one of the
  nicest
  and most knowledgeable phonograph collector/historian that I have
  had the
  privilege to know.  Ditto to George's comment below.  Give him a
  break!!!
  Ken Brekke
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
  [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
  Behalf Of Paul Christenzen
  Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:12 PM
  To: Antique Phonograph List
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Attn: Steve Medved, re: original hinge block
  
  ONE WEEK... come on - Steve's the most honest, reliableand able
  guy I've
  met in 40 years of collecting - sheesh...give the guy a chance to
  breathe
  before you try to embarrass him!!
  
  
  
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[Phono-L] Edison Facts

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,
I want to thank you all for the great information and leads to information 
about Edison that you have given me. I will certainly use everything I have 
learned from all of you to better teach my students! I am sorry I did not get 
to respond directly to everyone. I was sick this past week and was basically 
just making it to school and home without spending time on the computer. I have 
since read all the wonderful emails and plan on starting the unit on Edison 
this coming week. 
Thank you all so much!
Enjoy the game tonight!
Melissa 
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[Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everybody,
As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a 
unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a 
wax cylinder.
For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music 
classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I 
approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their 
present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to 
write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. 
Here is what the majority of the class wrote down:
1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not 
sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the 
$20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have 
had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped 
to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very 
old. 

One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking 
doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It 
turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who 
says TV can't teach!
Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of 
course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. 
If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting 
facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with 
these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and 
put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. 
Thanks!Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)

[Melissa Ricci]

Thanks for the tip, Abe! I will certainly leave all of that out. Especially the 
anti-Semitism! 

--- On Fri, 1/25/13, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 7:01 PM

Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was
very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who
disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the
people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he
simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford
he was very anti-Semitic.

Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some
major flaws.
Abe Feder

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Everybody,
 As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always
 run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by
 recording on a wax cylinder.
 For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general
 music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first
 time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was
 with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and
 asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about
 him.
 Here is what the majority of the class wrote down:
 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're
 not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on
 the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and
 might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7.
 Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild
 hair.9. Edison was very old.

 One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking
 doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information.
 It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called
 Oddities. Who says TV can't teach!
 Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and
 of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was
 mentioned.
 If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially
 interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty
 in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture
 their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all.
 Thanks!Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)

[Melissa Ricci]

I agree. It's a good idea that I leave that out!

Melissa
--
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:28 PM EST Vinyl Visions wrote:

You might not want to mention the elephant execution either...  

 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:01:46 -0700
 From: abefed...@gmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
 
 Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was
 very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who
 disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the
 people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he
 simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford
 he was very anti-Semitic.
 
 Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some
 major flaws.
 Abe Feder
 
 On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Hello Everybody,
  As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always
  run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by
  recording on a wax cylinder.
  For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general
  music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first
  time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was
  with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and
  asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about
  him.
  Here is what the majority of the class wrote down:
  1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're
  not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on
  the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and
  might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7.
  Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild
  hair.9. Edison was very old.
 
  One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking
  doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information.
  It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called
  Oddities. Who says TV can't teach!
  Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and
  of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was
  mentioned.
  If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially
  interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty
  in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture
  their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all.
  Thanks!Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)

[Melissa Ricci]

I had never heard of it before either until Abe mentioned it tonight. Since I 
am not an expert, I assumed there was supporting evidence. Glad to hear it may 
not be completely accurate.
Melissa


--
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:47 PM EST Jim Nichol wrote:

Abe, I've read DOZENS of biographies of Edison, and none of them said he was 
anti-Semitic.  Some of them specifically said he was not anti-Semitic.  Just 
because he knew Ford doesn't mean he agreed with him. Also, I don't recall any 
biographies saying Edison paid low wages or that employees didn't like him. 
Actually, it was quite the opposite, since my impression was that most loved 
The Old Man.  I believe his closest associates (who helped him the most to 
develop inventions) tended to be rewarded rather well financially through 
bonuses. You're correct that his taste in music was very old-fashioned, 
sometimes odd, and not helped by his poor hearing.

Jim Nichol

On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was
 very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who
 disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the
 people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he
 simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford
 he was very anti-Semitic.
 
 Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some
 major flaws.
 Abe Feder
 
 On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hello Everybody,
 As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always
 run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by
 recording on a wax cylinder.
 For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general
 music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first
 time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was
 with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and
 asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about
 him.
 Here is what the majority of the class wrote down:
 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're
 not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on
 the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and
 might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7.
 Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild
 hair.9. Edison was very old.
 
 One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking
 doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information.
 It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called
 Oddities. Who says TV can't teach!
 Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and
 of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was
 mentioned.
 If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially
 interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty
 in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture
 their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all.
 Thanks!Melissa

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Re: [Phono-L] A tale of woe...

[Melissa Ricci]

We order lost screws from Ron Sitko. I am at work now but I will send you his 
phone number this evening. He always has everything and ships very fast!

--- On Wed, 9/19/12, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote:


From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] A tale of woe...
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012, 11:14 AM


You need a powerful magnet to get it out of the crack.

Jim Nichol

On Sep 19, 2012, at 11:03 AM, David Barnett da...@fairlibertyscall.com wrote:

 It was like a scene from an old movie.
 
 I was installing a combo attachment on my Edison Standard and had every in 
 just about the right position. I slightly rotated the mandrel to make sure it 
 still moved smoothly, and the tiny headless set screw in the double-gear 
 piece from the combo kit fell out. I guess I had backed it out a bit too much 
 while working. There I was in one of those sudden slow motion scenes watching 
 in horror as the screw slowly fell and bounced on the case, the workbench, 
 the chair, my foot and the floor while I flailed around trying to stop it's 
 merciless descent into the one crack in the cement floor under the workbench 
 while simultaneously contributing the classic drawn-out dialog line:  
 Oooohhh No
 
 So, can anyone help locate that screw? I'd go for that double-gear piece with 
 the screw in it, if need be. I'd get 2 to have a backup (yes, I know I'm 
 sometimes klutsy).
 
 Thanks for hearing my tale of woe.
 
 David
 
 David Barnett                   da...@fairlibertyscall.com
 C: 516-398-8668                  www.FairLibertysCall.com
 3 Ike Place
 Woodmere, NY 11598
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Super, Deluxe, Ultra-Rare, Unusual Crap-O-Phone

[Melissa Ricci]

Is that turntable off of a portable!!??

--- On Sun, 9/16/12, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
 Subject: [Phono-L] Super, Deluxe, Ultra-Rare, Unusual Crap-O-Phone
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 3:06 PM
 
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RCA-His-Masters-Victor-Victrola-Voice-Gramophone-Phonograph-Needles-England-/251150297008?_trksid=p4340.m1986_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D7%26meid%3D2091761525001005213%26pid%3D100013%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D5%26
 
     
 
       
   
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[Phono-L] Kalamazoo Duplex Horn on Ebay

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Everyone,

We just put an original Kalamazoo Duplex silk-coved horn on Ebay. We are still 
looking to raise some money for our cat. It has a detailed description and 
plenty of pictures if anyone is interested.

Here is the link. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120987044519?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Melissa and Nick

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[Phono-L] 3 Edisons for Sale--Help the phonocat!

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everybody,

We have some nice machines for sale that we would like to offer to this group 
before heading to Ebay. 

For sale:

1. Edison Suitcase (square-top) 2-clip Standard Model A rare European model. 
Comes with winged model C reproducer and original but repainted/polished black 
 brass witch's hat horn.

2. Edison Home Model A longbox with banner decal. Comes with model C reproducer 
and nice original black MG Home horn  repro crane.

3. Edison Standard Model E with Model N reproducer, nice original black Cygnet 
Horn  repro crane.

All 3 machines are super clean, come with original lids, cranks and run like 
champs. All 3 reproducers were refurbished by the great Steve Medved so you 
know they sound awesome, especially the N.

Priced fairly, no bargain basement deals as we need to pay for sudden vet care 
for Jake our phonocat. Yes, he is the one who appears in many of our videos. 
Pics and prices available upon request for serious inquires only. Videos 
available on our YouTube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCej78LLudwlist=UUNzD7w9KVwXm-x1LuW42oQQindex=2feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PRXkPFSNJclist=UUNzD7w9KVwXm-x1LuW42oQQindex=5feature=plcp

Video of model E to be uploaded soon!

Thank you,
Nick and Melissa
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[Phono-L] Model E Video Side by Side

[Melissa Ricci]

Here is the video of the Model E for sale. Please note that the machine comes 
with an ALL BLACK cygnet horn. The bell in the video is the one for sale but 
the wood grained elbow has been replaced with an original black elbow. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KtMvACQIcIlist=UUNzD7w9KVwXm-x1LuW42oQQindex=1feature=plcp
 

Remember to email with any questions. Nice pictures available for all 3 
machines. 

Thank you,
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Re: [Phono-L] David Fuller aka brokenflutes on eBay

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Peter,We bought something from him on Jan 31st 2012. I don't remember what 
we bought but it certainly was a positive transaction on both ends. Hope this 
helps!
Nick  Melissa

--- On Wed, 8/1/12, Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com wrote:

From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com
Subject: [Phono-L] David Fuller aka brokenflutes on eBay
To: phono-l List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 2:28 PM

Anybody have any feedback on this guy, positive or negative?  He's in Alpine, 
TN. 

Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

-- Peter
pjfra...@mac.com
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Re: [Phono-L] Help looking for Oak Grain Cygnet Elbow original or repro......

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Ken,
We have an original oak grain cygnet elbow and a black bell. We wouldn't be 
opposed to selling it if we could find an original black elbow to complete the 
horn. Do you happen to have a black elbow for our black bell?
Melissa and Nick 

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Ken aka: OnATorrent onatorr...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Phono-L] Help looking for Oak Grain Cygnet Elbow original or 
 repro..
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 2:20 PM
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I have been looking around for someone that has an Edison
 Oak Wood Grain Cygnet Horn Elbow for sale.  If I can not
 find an original in respectable condition then I would be
 happy to settle for a newly painted Cygnet elbow with oak
 wood grain.  So far I have not found an original and have
 yet to find someone that can paint one for me to match up to
 my Music Master Oak Horn.  If someone has any leads please
 contact me at onatorr...@yahoo.com.
 
 Many thanks,
 Kenneth Keeton
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[Phono-L] Columbia type Q base Reproducer

[Melissa Ricci]

We just purchased a Columbia Type Q Phonograph. It is missing the base and 
reproducer. It is our first Columbia so we know very little about these 
machines but are under the impression someone is making reproductions of the 
Sears Roebuck fancy base. Does anyone know if this is true? Also looking for an 
original reproducer for the machine. Please let us know if you have any leads 
for either or both parts.Thanks!Nick  Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Exploring Phonograph Show/Sale in Boston

[Melissa Ricci]

Hey Bruce,You have our votes. We would love to have a show in town. Maybe at 
the Crown Plaza? Its a stone's throw from Green and they are a good size 
facility for a show. The convention center would be way too big.
Nick

--- On Wed, 5/16/12, Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Exploring Phonograph Show/Sale in Boston
To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 1:46 PM



Bruce, The airfare to TF Green in Providence RI would be much higher that 
Boston.  More important, you'd get a larger turn out in a large metro city, 
Boston.   The number of hotels (from low cost to upper range) accessible by 
public transit is very large.    An important consideration is open parking 
area as many dealers haul their inventory in a trailer.   There are several 
well-attended Antique Radio Shows in the Boston area, might make sense to 
schedule at the same time, venue.  Jack    Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:40:26 
+
 From: bruce78...@comcast.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 2013 Phonograph Show/Sale
 
 I wonder if we could sponsor one some year. You would have to have it 
 somewhere that is close access to an airport and hotels and motels etc. The 
 Attleboro area is close proximity to T.F. Green airport, Rte 95 etc. , you 
 would just need to find a hotel or function hall that was nearby with large 
 enough facilities, to hold a two day event, and also gain access to the list 
 of all of the dealers who can be solicited. and make it on a date where it 
 does not conflict with other well established Phonograph shows/Sales. 
 
 Bruce 
                
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Re: [Phono-L] Can anyone recommend a mover / shipper

[Melissa Ricci]

Hey Tim,I use North American Van Lines (NAVL) to ship my pinball machines. They 
come to the house, wrap it and off it goes. Shipping generally runs between 
$300 - $500.Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving!
- Nick
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From: Tim McCormick d...@themccormicks.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Can anyone recommend a mover / shipper
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Thursday, November 24, 2011, 11:31 AM

Folks,

I need to move a 1920's era desk from El Cajon, California to
Crawfordsville, Indiana.  Can anyone recommend a mover / shipper that will
pick the desk up from a residence, wrap it in a blanket or whatever, and
deliver it to me in Indiana?

Thanks,

Tim McCormick

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Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers

[Melissa Ricci]

I would buy one too! I think a book is a great idea, Steve!
Melissa

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From: Thatcher Graham thatc...@mediaguide.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 1:23 PM


I second that motion.

On 11/7/2011 12:37 PM, David Dazer wrote:
 Steve,
 When will you write a book?  I'd buy one.
 Dave

 --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Steven Medvedsteve_nor...@msn.com  wrote:


 From: Steven Medvedsteve_nor...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 10:31 AM



 A Model G triumph with a mahogany case and horn sold for $8777 on eBay and it 
 looked nice. 
 The wooden horn came out around August 1910 and was available as an option 
 from then on.  According to the Frow book the Model F and G triumph came with 
 the wooden horn but since Edison is the king of variety I am certain there 
 were exceptions. I am not certain how accurate the Phonograph section of the 
 Frow book is but the reproducer and recorder section if full of errors and 
 omissions, mostly omission in the recorder section.  Because of the Frow book 
 the 2 minute sapphire Model B is the most misunderstood reproducer Edison 
 made.  He got the Model N reproducer backwards and does not mention the 
 trowel N reproducer not to be confused with the N-56. When a reproducer was 
 made and when it was put on a phonograph and when the phonograph was stamped 
 with a serial number were not all the same in all cases.   At least one 
 suitcase standard in the 42,000 range was stamped with a serial number after 
 Feburary 1902 and sent to Canada to be sold with an
   automatic reproducer made in the
    middle of 1901.  This suitcase model does not have the serial numer raised 
lug and the serial number is stamped on the nickel ID plate.  An one suticase 
standard in the 26000 range has he later brass ID plate.  You see Model B 
homes with decals and the 2/4 minute upgrades, you see standard D's with the 
pin striping and an ID plate that does not say combination, you see Model D 
standards with the combination ID plate, the home C is found with pinstriping 
and decals.  You see the maroon gem with the GEM decal on the machine.  You 
see triumphs with the raised panel not paralles to the base.  You see Edison 
phonographs with incorrect serial numbers.  Home E 994618 is an example of 
this the home E is found in the 400,000 range and not that many homes were 
made.   Also at the end of production runs earlier parts show up which is why 
you find the earlier B weights later on.  The drilled B weight is found in 
both stamped and unstamped
   versions.   The Frow book says it is not clear
 why the B was made and there was never an adjusting arm.  The B was armed up 
 until at least 30,000 and from 40,000 to 110,000 the word reproducer is not 
 on the B as the top that was made for the arm was used as the reproducer 
 stamped top came out around 110,000.  The armed B is seldom found after 
 40,000 but they were made for use on the Edison Bell Duplex and the concert 
 phonograph.  If the B was never armed it would not have been produced before 
 110,000. It is easy to see why Frow did not understand the B as in England it 
 mainly appeared on the Gem, but look at the Standard E which was only 
 available here and he got that one correct.   From 1 to around 17,000 the B 
 has the arm and no notch.  There are two types of tops found.  Up until the 
 mid 6500 range the B top has thin plating with machine marks visible.  From 
 17,000 to 30,000 the B retained its arm with the notch added.  From 40,000 to 
 110,000 the B top does not have the word reproducer
   and two different tops are found
    with the width of the flat around the sound tube and the outside dome 
varies and the weight is stamped B.  Around 110,000 the weight was drilled and 
tapped to accomodate an extra lead weight.  From around 150,000 on the B was 
given a 2.2 ounce lead or lead alloy weight.  The first B has a 1.2 ounce 
weight  and the C weight varies from 1.2 to 1.3 ounces.  It took the 2.2 ounce 
weight to have the volume the hanging weight does. The automatic is another 
reproducer that is greatly left out.  The period of time from 1900 to 1902 is 
largely omitted as is the period after the fire.  The recorder section is even 
worse.  2 and 4 minute recorders were made after the fire as was the CHK.  The 
diamond B was made into 1926 at least and the last diamond C used the same 
casting as the Diamond D. In the summer of 1901 the early B replaced the 
automatic and up to serial number 30,000 at least it was used on all Edison 
machines.  The B got its notch for
 the
   centering pin in the 17,000 range.
     The B C and D all had blank weights at first.  The C joined in around 
25,000, the D around 30,000.  The arm appeared on the C sporadically through 

Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi John,
Nick and I have had great success getting those stubborn screws out with this 
easy method. Use the correct size screwdriver which is quite small. Attach a 
pair of vise-grips to the screwdriver handle and use the grips to turn the 
screwdriver as you apply pressure. It works every time for us! The vise-grips 
give you just enough leverage to do the job and not strip the tiny screw. Good 
Luck!
Melissa

--- On Sat, 10/22/11, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:

From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net
Subject: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights
To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 1:45 PM

Hello all
I need to replace the governor springs on a Victor II. I have removed the 
weights and springs from the shaft, but the small screws that connect the 
weight to the springs will not budge. What do you all recommend to get them 
loose? They are really tight and I don't want to strip the screwheads.
Thanks
John Robles
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[Phono-L] Victor II ?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Everyone, 
We are in need of the entire back bracket and tone arm for our new Victor II. 
Below is the link to an Ebay auction for what looks like a II tone arm and 
bracket. We were told by Ron Sitko that the Victor II had a specific back 
bracket and tone arm. Only a part from a II will fit another II.  Can anyone 
tell me if the part in the Ebay auction is from a II. The seller doesn't seem 
to know. 
Thanks!Melissa
http://www.ebay.com/itm/220877076235

--- On Wed, 10/19/11, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote:

From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 9:50 AM

Actually The Library of Congress funded an affordable archival cylinder  
box project for ARSC which just ended last year. 
 
Check out info on Page 10 and 11 here:
 
 
_http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf_ 
(http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf)  
 
They are not commercially available yet though. 
 
Steve
 
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor II ?

[Melissa Ricci]

Thank you, guys!Melissa

--- On Wed, 10/19/11, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor II ?
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 5:39 PM

Hi Melissa,
The arm appears to be from a Vic III, IV, V, M, MS, or D. I can't tell by the 
bracket, though.The total length for a Victor II arm is 7 long. Good luck,
Harvey Kravitz




From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:59 PM
Subject: [Phono-L]  Victor II ?

Hi Everyone, 
We are in need of the entire back bracket and tone arm for our new Victor II. 
Below is the link to an Ebay auction for what looks like a II tone arm and 
bracket. We were told by Ron Sitko that the Victor II had a specific back 
bracket and tone arm. Only a part from a II will fit another II.  Can anyone 
tell me if the part in the Ebay auction is from a II. The seller doesn't seem 
to know. 
Thanks!Melissa
http://www.ebay.com/itm/220877076235

--- On Wed, 10/19/11, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote:

From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 9:50 AM

Actually The Library of Congress funded an affordable archival cylinder  
box project for ARSC which just ended last year. 

Check out info on Page 10 and 11 here:


_http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf_ 
(http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf)  

They are not commercially available yet though. 

Steve

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[Phono-L] Opera Horn Elbow on Ebay

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,
The Opera Elbow that so many of you helped us to identify is now on Ebay. Here 
is a link to the auction:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120794417206?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_889wt_1398
The item number is # 120794417206  just in case the link is broken. 
Thanks again for all your help!
Melissa
--- On Thu, 10/13/11, cdh...@earthlink.net cdh...@earthlink.net wrote:

From: cdh...@earthlink.net cdh...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 10:59 PM

I'm right along with Andy Baron. When I did a presentation for Phonovention
a few years ago, I worked around the real tear jerkers. I showed pix of
some of the sheet music that was published before and during the war, but
mainly because I didn't have the records, or didn't want to use them, I
avoided them. 

There was a silent film, made in 1925, titled The Big Parade. I was able
to get it from Amazon, on VHS tape. It had some pretty good footage in it,
and I projectede pieces of it with the show. Good movie. 

More songs were written about WW I than about any other war before or
since. 

One aspect of My Dream Of The Big Parade, was that Billy Murray was
totally out of his role in the recitation in the middle of the record. Even
today, I have to mop my eyes when I play the record. The Victor Master book
shows it as being recorded in 1926.  It was mighty good. 

The Jolson record about the PFC who was working his company commander over
is one of my favorites. I can appreciate it from both sides, because when I
was in the Army, I was a GI and Officer, both. I love the record!

Original Message:
-
From:  bruce78...@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:22:55 + (UTC)
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective


all that WWI musical history talk, is going to inspire me to put on some
old stuff that I haven't Played in years such as Would you rather be a
Colonel with an Eagle on his shoulder, or a Private with a chicken on his
Knee ? or Hunting the Hun or Let's Bury the Hatchet (in the Kaiser's
Head). 

- Original Message -
From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com 
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:58:27 PM 
Subject: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective 

I'm chiming in here on the WWI music comments, so changing the subject
line, but leaving the most recent prior emails copied below, from Melissa's
thread: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you! 

I too, find WWI music quirky and engaging, and at times very poignant,
earnest and introspective, in addition to the audacious, indomitable upbeat
numbers that are more often called to mind in the general public's
perception of that conflict's music. 

It all depends on the record. 

I think my first WWI era 78 came to me from a friend of my mother's, around
1976 when I was 14. It was a song full of pathos bordering on schmaltz,
recorded shortly after the war, called Don't Steal Daddy's Medal
(subtitled The Burglar and the Child): With Tears down her cheeks the
little child cried, don't steal Daddy's medal - He won it for bravery - It
was found by his side before he died, and sent to my mother and me 

It's fascinating to track how sentimentality played such a changing role in
the WWI years leading up to and during America's involvement in the war,
and then how records like Don't Steal Daddy's Medal and others kept it in
the public awareness for years after. The newest WWI inspired record I'm
aware of is My Dream of the Big Parade, recorded more than seven years
after the end of the war. 

In the early years when America was neutral, we had records like the
fabulous pairing on Victor 17716 of I Didn't Raise My Boy to be a Soldier
(from 1915), with its prophetic opening line Ten million Soldiers to the
war must go who may never return again, paired with Stay Down Here Where
You Belong. I think if I had to pick my favorite of a few dozen WWI
records in my collection, it would be this title. It's a biting
condemnation of war, with the construct of the Devil talking to his son who
wanted to go Up Above... It was composed by none other than Irving Berlin
(who later spent a lot of time and energy trying to keep it buried and
prevent public performance of it). An example of one great line from Stay
Down Here Where You Belong is They're breaking the hearts of mothers,
making BUTCHERS out of brothers. You'll find more HELL up there than there
is down below. (My caps denoting emphasized, nearly shouted words in the
recording). The flip side of this reco 
rd, noted above and set to a militaristic beat, has the sung lyrics as
opposed to the more commonly found instrumental-only versions that were
stripped of their words as the war heated up for this country. 

On a very heartfelt note, are three of the most popular introspective
recordings of the period: There's a Long, Long Trail, Keep the Home Fires
Burning and 

Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you!

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi,
Thanks for the comment. We actually listen to a lot of jazz. I am a band 
teacher and have a jazz band at school. We play music from the 1920's on. We 
have a 1940's jukebox at home full of jazz. 
However, at the moment, I am really enjoying these quirky songs from the WW1 
era. it is something different and it really shows what the mentality was back 
in the early 1900's. Being a history person, I just love the lyrics. I love how 
they sing about sending soldiers cigarettes and candy. I find these songs 
interesting, cute and catchy. 
Melissa
 

--- On Mon, 10/10/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:


From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you!
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 11:22 PM



The machine is great... but the music leaves a little to be desired. Try some 
20's Jazz or Blues. Coon Sanders or Irving Aaronson and his Commanders would be 
great or even some Helen Kane (Betty Boop) to liven things up. Check out 
RedHotJazz.com for some ideas... Just a suggestion - everyone has different 
tastes.

 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:06:37 -0700
 From: riccib...@yahoo.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you!
 
 Hello Everyone,
 Thank you again for helping us to solve our motor issue and for all the 
 comments about whether or not to restore our Victor II. It looks like we will 
 take our time searching for parts and restore the II. We will let you all 
 know how it comes out.  The Victor III was our first outside horn Victor 
 machine so we are so happy to have it working. There is an old repair to the 
 spear tip oak horn that we will need to deal with and we would like to have 
 the tone arm re-plated but for now we are just happy to hear it play! :)
 Below are links to a video of our now working Victor III and our Home Model D 
 with wood grained metal cygnet playing our first ever royal purple cylinder. 
 Thank you again for all of your help! 
 Melissa
 Victor III
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHjh_Xfw1n0 
 Home Model D
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lADxtbyrJY 
  
 
 --- On Sun, 10/9/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:
 
 From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you!
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Sunday, October 9, 2011, 9:49 PM
 
 
 You should be able to find the parts to complete it for several hundred 
 dollars. Since you only have $75 in it... I would restore it - it's 
 definitely worth more than the parts should cost and a Vic II is a great 
 machine.
 
  Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 16:37:47 -0700
  From: riccib...@yahoo.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you!
  
  Hello Everyone,
  Thank you so much for the outpouring of support last weekend when our new 
  Victor III motor was giving us so much trouble! 
  We went to an antiques auction last Monday and won a very poor Victor II 
  for only $75.00. We replaced our Victor III drive gear with the one on the 
  Victor II and presto! 
  It turns out we have a bad drive gear on the Victor III!!  It now works 
  like a charm! Many people guessed that the gear was maybe an older 
  replacement part or poor reproduction and it turns out that is most likely 
  the case!
  The wooden horn sounds fantastic and it is so loud! I am going to post a 
  video of it playing tomorrow. 
  The Victor II needs a new tone arm, back bracket, crank, connector for the 
  horn and now a new drive gear in order to be restored. The case is okay and 
  since we only paid $75.00 for it, we are tempted to put the work and parts 
  into it to get it running again. Do you think it is worth fixing up or are 
  the parts going to cost more than it is worth eventually? Your opinions are 
  greatly appreciated.
  Thank you again for all the help and advice!
  Melissa
  --- On Mon, 10/3/11, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Clarification of Victor III Motor Question
  To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 12:00 PM
  
  Hello Everyone,
   
  First let me say that I truly appreciate all the great suggestions and help 
  offered for our problem. I am writing this to everyone because I have 
  received these same suggestions from many, many people. So I would like to 
  clarify what we have already tried.
   
  We have already:
   
  1. Adjusted the drive gear up and down (above, below and on the center of 
  the worm gear) to try to get it to mesh with the governor worm gear better.
  2. Made sure that no set screws or parts of the governor are hitting 
  anything when in operation.
  3. Made sure the ball bearing is present in it's spot.
  4. Turned the drive gear upside down.
  5. All part are clean, lubricated and move freely with no friction until 
  the drive gear is mated with the governor worm gear

Re: [Phono-L] Opera Horn Elbow?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi All,
Last week we won a box of phonograph parts along with our Victor II. Most of 
them do not look very interesting. However, in the box was included a horn 
elbow. I immediately thought it was just the elbow from a radio horn but now we 
are wondering if it belongs to an Edison Opera. The paint appears original and 
is black. It fits onto the bell of our Edison cygnet horn and looks like the 
opera elbows we have found pictured online. It has been suggested to us that it 
may actually be from a school opera due to the black color. Sadly, we do not 
own, nor can we currently afford our own Opera so we are considering selling 
the elbow to allow someone else to complete an Opera. Can anyone confirm or 
deny what type of elbow it is? There are other items in the box that we know 
nothing about and would love any info. Here is a link to a video of the items. 
If you would like close up pics of any of them, please send me your 
email. Thanks!Melissa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRtpWICAmqk  

--- On Tue, 10/11/11, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 1920's-30's Music Source
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2011, 4:30 PM

I forgot, on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4F1sd5rK4Afeature=player_embedded

Mike

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here ya go.
 http://dust-digital.com/index.htm

 http://dust-digital.com/wind
 OC
 (Mike)



 On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote:


 For some unknown reason, my browser ran the link together with the next
 line.
 http://www.ludustonalis.net/Early-Sound--20s-30s-DanceBand.html

  From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:45:57 -0400
  Subject: [Phono-L] 1920's-30's Music Source
 
 
  This is Ballard Doggett's website, where he sells a lot of unusual
 records of the time - particularly race records:
 http://www.ludustonalis.net/Early-Sound--20s-30s-DanceBand.htmlThere are
 some interesting period videos on his website, as well, which makes it
 worthwhile just for that reason.
  I have bought a number of records from him and never had any problems -
 reasonable shipping costs and verywell packed. He's located in San
 Francisco, in case you need that info.
  Ballard Doggett's uncle - Ballard Bill Doggett was a black performer
 back in the day and wrote the songHonky Tonk... check his website out -
 you might find something you can't live without.
 
 
 
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Re: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Andrew,
I just wanted to write to congratulate you on a wonderful post! I thoroughly 
enjoyed reading this. It is well written and interesting. You should really 
consider submitting this as an article to In the Groove!
Thanks,Melissa

--- On Tue, 10/11/11, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote:

From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com
Subject: [Phono-L] WWI music perspective
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2011, 12:58 PM

I'm chiming in here on the WWI music comments, so changing the subject line, 
but leaving the most recent prior emails copied below, from Melissa's thread: 
Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you!

I too, find WWI music quirky and engaging, and at times very poignant, earnest 
and introspective, in addition to the audacious, indomitable upbeat numbers 
that are more often called to mind in the general public's perception of that 
conflict's music.

It all depends on the record.

I think my first WWI era 78 came to me from a friend of my mother's, around 
1976 when I was 14.  It was a song full of pathos bordering on schmaltz, 
recorded shortly after the war, called Don't Steal Daddy's Medal (subtitled 
The Burglar and the Child): With Tears down her cheeks the little child 
cried, don't steal Daddy's medal - He won it for bravery - It was found by his 
side before he died, and sent to my mother and me

It's fascinating to track how sentimentality played such a changing role in the 
WWI years leading up to and during America's involvement in the war, and then 
how records like Don't Steal Daddy's Medal and others kept it in the public 
awareness for years after.  The newest WWI inspired record I'm aware of is My 
Dream of the Big Parade, recorded more than seven years after the end of the 
war.

In the early years when America was neutral, we had records like the fabulous 
pairing on Victor 17716 of I Didn't Raise My Boy to be a Soldier (from 1915), 
with its prophetic opening line Ten million Soldiers to the war must go who 
may never return again, paired with Stay Down Here Where You Belong.  I 
think if I had to pick my favorite of a few dozen WWI records in my collection, 
it would be this title.  It's a biting condemnation of war, with the construct 
of the Devil talking to his son who wanted to go Up Above...  It was composed 
by none other than Irving Berlin (who later spent a lot of time and energy 
trying to keep it buried and prevent public performance of it).  An example of 
one great line from Stay Down Here Where You Belong is They're breaking the 
hearts of mothers, making BUTCHERS out of brothers.  You'll find more HELL up 
there than there is down below. (My caps denoting emphasized, nearly shouted 
words in the
 recording).  The flip side of this reco
 rd, noted above and set to a militaristic beat, has the sung lyrics as opposed 
to the more commonly found instrumental-only versions that were stripped of 
their words as the war heated up for this country.

On a very heartfelt note, are three of the most popular introspective 
recordings of the period: There's a Long, Long Trail, Keep the Home Fires 
Burning and Till We Meet Again.  All are beautiful ballads worth well worth 
listening to, to get a flavor of this aspect of WWI popular music.  There were 
many others like them.

Naturally, the zealous songs, with George M. Cohan's Over There most 
representative of the genre, are what people usually call to mind: Johnny get 
your gun, get your gun get your gun, send them on the run, on the run, on the 
run...  Make your mother glad that she had such a lad...  Tell your Sweetheart 
not to pine, to be glad her boy's in line  This song, along with Goodbye 
Broadway, Hello France and numerous others tried to capture a certain spirit 
and rally public sentiment for The Great War for Civilization.

The novelty songs, like Good Morning Mr. Zip Zip Zip, K-K-K-Katy and 
Sister Susie's Sewing Shirts for Soldiers and many others like them add some 
needed levity to any collection of WWI music.  Don't forget Cal Stewart's War 
Talk at Pun'kin Center (recorded early in the war, before U.S. involvement).

The jovial element in music of an otherwise tragic period, is carried through 
to perfection just after the war with I've Got My Captain Working for me Now 
(also by Berlin).  The Al Jolson rendition on Columbia is probably the most 
animated version of this recording, bordering on gleeful.

Other Post-World WWI recordings memorialized and rounded out the more somber 
aspects of the conflict.  The only recording of Edison's voice sanctioned for 
public consumption tops this list, with his Let Us Not Forget, tempering 
American enthusiasm with reminders of the sacrifices made by our Allies; Their 
casualty lists tell the story.  However proud we may be of our own 
achievements, let us remember always  Across the ocean, trying to put a 
brave face on the struggle, which affected him so personally (he lost his only 
son to 

Re: [Phono-L] Victor III is Working! Thank you!

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,
Thank you so much for the outpouring of support last weekend when our new 
Victor III motor was giving us so much trouble! 
We went to an antiques auction last Monday and won a very poor Victor II for 
only $75.00. We replaced our Victor III drive gear with the one on the Victor 
II and presto! 
It turns out we have a bad drive gear on the Victor III!!  It now works like a 
charm! Many people guessed that the gear was maybe an older replacement part or 
poor reproduction and it turns out that is most likely the case!
The wooden horn sounds fantastic and it is so loud! I am going to post a video 
of it playing tomorrow. 
The Victor II needs a new tone arm, back bracket, crank, connector for the horn 
and now a new drive gear in order to be restored. The case is okay and since we 
only paid $75.00 for it, we are tempted to put the work and parts into it to 
get it running again. Do you think it is worth fixing up or are the parts going 
to cost more than it is worth eventually? Your opinions are greatly appreciated.
Thank you again for all the help and advice!
Melissa
--- On Mon, 10/3/11, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Clarification of Victor III Motor Question
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 12:00 PM

Hello Everyone,
 
First let me say that I truly appreciate all the great suggestions and help 
offered for our problem. I am writing this to everyone because I have received 
these same suggestions from many, many people. So I would like to clarify what 
we have already tried.
 
We have already:
 
1. Adjusted the drive gear up and down (above, below and on the center of the 
worm gear) to try to get it to mesh with the governor worm gear better.
2. Made sure that no set screws or parts of the governor are hitting anything 
when in operation.
3. Made sure the ball bearing is present in it's spot.
4. Turned the drive gear upside down.
5. All part are clean, lubricated and move freely with no friction until the 
drive gear is mated with the governor worm gear. 
 
I hope this helps. Thank you again for all the suggestions. Please keep them 
coming! If you have an idea, we would love to hear it. We are going to look at 
it more when we get home from work this evening.
 
Thank you,
Melissa

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From: tuban...@aol.com tuban...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 11:02 AM


Get or borrow an adjustable strobe light to visually freeze the parts at  
the time of the click.  I have solved a few hard ones like this with a  
strobe.

Don


In a message dated 10/3/2011 8:48:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
lhera...@bu.edu writes:

And/or  does the bull gear and spring can assembly move freely?

Ron  L

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Behalf Of Melissa Ricci
Sent:  Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:42 PM
To: Phono-l
Subject: Re: [Phono-L]  Victor III Motor Question

Is the bull gear attached to the spring  barrel?
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[Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone! 

We were lucky enough to win a nice Victor III at an auction last week. When we 
got it home it was a typical unrestored machine. Covered in old crusty grease 
and one governor weight had a broken spring. We took it all apart, cleaned each 
part thoroughly and ordered and received three new governor springs. We then 
removed, cleaned, and re-greased both springs and then put it all together 
again. It looks good but there is a loud knocking sound coming from the drive 
gear. We have experience with Edison cylinder machines and Victrolas but this 
is our first outside horn Victor. On closer inspection, it seems the drive gear 
is disengaging the governor worm gear and then slipping into place causing a 
loud knock. Here is what we have tried.

1. Adjusted the governor back and forth to mate the gears better.
2. Lubricated the worm gear and drive gear with grease, then oil, then grease 
and oil.
3. Flipped the drive gear upside down. (as shown in video)
4. Made sure all parts fit properly and move freely.
5. Made sure that no parts of the governor are hitting anything when moving. 

None of this has worked so here we are asking for anyone's advice. The brass 
drive gear does not look worn or warped although it sounds like it is. Any 
ideas would be greatly appreciated! Please see video below to hear it knocking. 

Please remember that all lubrication is missing in the video to better show the 
gears and the dive gear is indeed turned upside down but we get the exact same 
result when it is right side up. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZAOHqKQ1K8 

Thank you,
Melissa and Nick 
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question

[Melissa Ricci]

Good guess but nothing is hitting anywhere. The screws that are sticking out do 
not contact anything when running. We have checked that very carefully because 
that is what we thought it was at first. Thanks.  
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Re: [Phono-L] Victor III Motor Question

[Melissa Ricci]

 It is a good idea. We tried raising it and lowering it but there was no 
change. Thank you. 
Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

[Melissa Ricci]

Hello Everyone,

We are still completely stumped with our apparent auto-stop attachment. We have 
taken a video of the machine playing so you can see where it sits as the 
machine functions. There are two close up pictures a the end of the video. 
Please let us know if the link does not work or if you know what this 
attachment is. 
Thanks so much!
Melissa and Nick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlmYvCWqXI   




From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on. 
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
 tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
 that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics 
 and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
 Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you should 
be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the video. It is 
posted on YouTube.

Please email me if it doesn't work for you.

Thanks again!



From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on. 
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
 tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
 that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics 
 and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
 Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
 Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Rich,
Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling! 
Melissa



From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the 
function is though.

On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you 
 should be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the 
 video. It is posted on YouTube.

 Please email me if it doesn't work for you.

 Thanks again!


 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

 I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
 Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

 On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
 tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a 
 message that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, 
 the pics and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
 Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

[Melissa Ricci]

Thanks!



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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

Thank you for sharing the video. That was a great restoration on the machine.
Harvey Kravitz




From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop Video

Hello Everyone,

We are still completely stumped with our apparent auto-stop attachment. We have 
taken a video of the machine playing so you can see where it sits as the 
machine functions. There are two close up pictures a the end of the video. 
Please let us know if the link does not work or if you know what this 
attachment is. 
Thanks so much!
Melissa and Nick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLlmYvCWqXI   




From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on. 
Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
 tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
 that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics 
 and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
 Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
 Melissa
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

We thought of that also but the holes in the bedplate are threaded and the 
screws look like others we see in the machine, only larger. It was very rusty 
and looked as old as the machine did pre-restoration. I also found a picture 
online of a similar Standard with the same autostop. The picture was very far 
away so I couldn't see the part that is important. It did seem to be holding 
the carriage up in their picture. My guess is there was another piece that 
our's is missing. 



From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

It has that home made look to it and acts as a pointer. But that is only 
a guess.

On 08/10/2011 06:12 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling!
 Melissa


 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

 Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the
 function is though.

 On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you 
 should be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the 
 video. It is posted on YouTube.

 Please email me if it doesn't work for you.

 Thanks again!


 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

 I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
 Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

 On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. I 
 tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a 
 message that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, 
 the pics and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
 Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Thanks for your help! I hope someone on here will be able to tell what it is 
and what is missing. 



From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

There were many contemporary auto stop rigs. Someone on here should have 
an idea of what is missing.

On 08/10/2011 07:05 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 We thought of that also but the holes in the bedplate are threaded and the 
 screws look like others we see in the machine, only larger. It was very rusty 
 and looked as old as the machine did pre-restoration. I also found a picture 
 online of a similar Standard with the same autostop. The picture was very far 
 away so I couldn't see the part that is important. It did seem to be holding 
 the carriage up in their picture. My guess is there was another piece that 
 our's is missing.


 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

 It has that home made look to it and acts as a pointer. But that is only
 a guess.

 On 08/10/2011 06:12 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling!
 Melissa


 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

 Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the
 function is though.

 On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you 
 should be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the 
 video. It is posted on YouTube.

 Please email me if it doesn't work for you.

 Thanks again!


 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

 I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
 Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

 On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. 
 I tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a 
 message that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, 
 the pics and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

I found the picture! This is not may machine but a picture of one from an 
auction site. It is listed as having an auto stop and seems to have a very 
similar one to mine. I hope this link will help someone out!
Melissa

http://www.burchardgalleries.com/auctions/2002/sep2202/l021b.jpg   



From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

There were many contemporary auto stop rigs. Someone on here should have 
an idea of what is missing.

On 08/10/2011 07:05 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 We thought of that also but the holes in the bedplate are threaded and the 
 screws look like others we see in the machine, only larger. It was very rusty 
 and looked as old as the machine did pre-restoration. I also found a picture 
 online of a similar Standard with the same autostop. The picture was very far 
 away so I couldn't see the part that is important. It did seem to be holding 
 the carriage up in their picture. My guess is there was another piece that 
 our's is missing.


 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

 It has that home made look to it and acts as a pointer. But that is only
 a guess.

 On 08/10/2011 06:12 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Thanks for looking. It is very puzzling!
 Melissa


 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

 Link came through fine here. Not sure what might be missing or what the
 function is though.

 On 08/10/2011 05:37 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Ok, I can already tell that it did not send it as an actual link but you 
 should be able to copy and paste the link into your browser to view the 
 video. It is posted on YouTube.

 Please email me if it doesn't work for you.

 Thanks again!


 
 From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com
 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

 I was going to suggest just attaching them and Loran will send them on.
 Probably were a bit on the large size so he has to shrink them first.

 On 08/06/2011 09:54 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Rich,
 Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo's phonolist group. 
 I tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a 
 message that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, 
 the pics and message will be sent through when the moderator gets them.
 Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Thanks for clearing that up for me! We have a repeater on our Triumph which is 
a completely different design. It is interesting to know they made one just for 
the language lessons.
Still doesn#39;t help us find out what our mystery device is though.  
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Rich,
Sorry about that. The link only seems to work on Yahoo#39;s phonolist group. I 
tried to send the pics as attachments directly to Phono-l but I got a message 
that they are waiting to be approved by the moderator. Hopefully, the pics and 
message will be sent through when the moderator gets them. 
Thanks for letting me know there was a problem!
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

[Melissa Ricci]

Sorry, I have attached the picture directly to this email. Hopefully that helps.
Thanks!
Melissa



From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Standard Auto Stop?

Couple of problems. Links are mangled apparently and the site requires a 
login once link is patched.

On 08/06/2011 08:06 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 Thank you for all the info on cleaning brown wax records! I also really 
 enjoyed
 reading Shawn's very interesting post. Thanks!

 We just finished restoring an Edison Standard Suitcase model A. When we
 purchased it at auction they said it had an automatic stop attachment which 
 can
 be seen on the front of the machine just covering the Edison signature. We
 thought we would figure out how it worked once it was all clean and the 
 machine
 was running properly. That time is now, and we can't seem to be able to get it
 to do anything.

 Does anyone have one of these or know how they work?

 Here are some links to pictures we posted of it on the Phonolist site.

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/photos/album/1819302900/pic/964312955/vi\
 ew?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/photos/album/1819302900/pic/917405647/vi\
 ew?picmode=mode=tnorder=ordinalstart=1count=20dir=asc

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Re: [Phono-L] Fw: You MUST see this! - Singing bird pistols

[Melissa Ricci]

Hi Harvey,There is no link on our end and now we really want to see this video. 
:)Nick and MelissaNew To Phono-L

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From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Fw: You MUST see this! - Singing bird pistols
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 5:31 PM

Hi Gang, 
I got this video from one of my buddies. If you want to see the ultimate 
Automaton or singing birds, this is it!
Harvey Kravitz



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To: Dave Kushner dakush...@gmail.com
Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 7:19:34 PM
Subject: Fw: You MUST see this! - Singing bird pistols


 

These singing bird pistols (circa 1820) were sold at Christie's International 
in 
Hong Kong on May 20 for $5.8 million.You won't believe the beauty of them until 
you view the video below.
 

Pair of singing bird pistols from 1820
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Re: [Phono-L] Singing bird pistols of 1820

[Melissa Ricci]

Wow! That was absolutely amazing! Thanks for sharing!

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Singing bird pistols of 1820
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 6:27 PM

Hi Gang
I tried to forward the message, but the link won't show up on the email. If you 
go to Yahoo video and type in Singing bird pistols of 1820, It should come up. 
It's very interesting to see this. The craftsmanship in amazing. This is the 
ultimate Automaton or singing bird.
Harvey Kravitz
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