[Phono-L] 2 Minute Education
I'm pretty sure all Edison Gold Mould records are 2 minute but you don't always find the right cylinder in the right box either. 2 min record grooves are, under even only slight magnification wide and shallow. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:18 PM To: phon...@oldcrank.com Subject: [Phono-L] 2 Minute Education I have a 2 minute only Edison Standard in my collection. I recently picked up a Columbia Eagle B; also 2 minute only. I would like to purchase some additional 2 minute cylinder recordings but I am confused as to how I can distinguish them from the 4 minute records. They are not always properly identified on eBay. It's very confusing. I know that all Blue Amberols are 4 minute. I need an easy and fool-proof way to identify 2 minute records. E.g., are all Gold Moulded records 2 minute? Greg ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] 2 Minute Education
Greg: Edison 2-minute cylinders are all made from wax. The Gold Moulded ones (made starting early 1902) are black. The earlier cylinders are brown in color and usually don't have a title printed on the end. The grooves on 2-minute cylinders are much wider than those on 4-minute wax Amberol records and 4-minute plastic Blue Amberol records. The four minute grooves are extremely fine and difficult to see. I think the 2-minute records have 100 grooves per inch and the 4-minute have 200. 2-minute cylinders are usually very hard to come by as compared to Blue Amberols. When you do find them, they are more often than not damaged by mold. If the mold coverage is severe, they are rendered unplayable. Also, the wax cylinders break very easily. Undamaged, clean wax records are often very pricey as compared to Blue Amberols. This is why you usually find 2-minute cylinder machines priced well-below their 2/4 and 4-minute cousins. -Phil O'Keefe Visit my Edison Phonograph Website http://www.engineeringexpert.net/edphono.htm On 7/6/04 9:18 PM, Greg drgr...@msn.com wrote: I have a 2 minute only Edison Standard in my collection. I recently picked up a Columbia Eagle B; also 2 minute only. I would like to purchase some additional 2 minute cylinder recordings but I am confused as to how I can distinguish them from the 4 minute records. They are not always properly identified on eBay. It's very confusing. I know that all Blue Amberols are 4 minute. I need an easy and fool-proof way to identify 2 minute records. E.g., are all Gold Moulded records 2 minute? Greg ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] 2 Minute Education
Another tip that helped me when I first encountered the 2 minute/4 minute issuse is that most all 4 minute black wax cyliners are marked with 4M on the rim. Also the Columbia Indistructilbe cyliners are all marekd with either 2M or 4M on the rim. The normal black Gold Moulded records do not indicate anything and will always be 2 minute. There might be some exceptions, but I find this to be true as I encounter cyliners. Dan - Original Message - From: Phil O'Keefe pokeefe...@netzero.com To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 2 Minute Education Greg: Edison 2-minute cylinders are all made from wax. The Gold Moulded ones (made starting early 1902) are black. The earlier cylinders are brown in color and usually don't have a title printed on the end. The grooves on 2-minute cylinders are much wider than those on 4-minute wax Amberol records and 4-minute plastic Blue Amberol records. The four minute grooves are extremely fine and difficult to see. I think the 2-minute records have 100 grooves per inch and the 4-minute have 200. 2-minute cylinders are usually very hard to come by as compared to Blue Amberols. When you do find them, they are more often than not damaged by mold. If the mold coverage is severe, they are rendered unplayable. Also, the wax cylinders break very easily. Undamaged, clean wax records are often very pricey as compared to Blue Amberols. This is why you usually find 2-minute cylinder machines priced well-below their 2/4 and 4-minute cousins. -Phil O'Keefe Visit my Edison Phonograph Website http://www.engineeringexpert.net/edphono.htm On 7/6/04 9:18 PM, Greg drgr...@msn.com wrote: I have a 2 minute only Edison Standard in my collection. I recently picked up a Columbia Eagle B; also 2 minute only. I would like to purchase some additional 2 minute cylinder recordings but I am confused as to how I can distinguish them from the 4 minute records. They are not always properly identified on eBay. It's very confusing. I know that all Blue Amberols are 4 minute. I need an easy and fool-proof way to identify 2 minute records. E.g., are all Gold Moulded records 2 minute? Greg ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] 2 Minute Education
And what about those black, 2 min cylinders with rounded, thicker ends that don't have any titles on them. The word Edison is in the wax. I've seen Columbias that look remarkably similar too. Ron -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com] On Behalf Of Phil O'Keefe Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:20 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] 2 Minute Education Greg: Edison 2-minute cylinders are all made from wax. The Gold Moulded ones (made starting early 1902) are black. The earlier cylinders are brown in color and usually don't have a title printed on the end. The grooves on 2-minute cylinders are much wider than those on 4-minute wax Amberol records and 4-minute plastic Blue Amberol records. The four minute grooves are extremely fine and difficult to see. I think the 2-minute records have 100 grooves per inch and the 4-minute have 200. 2-minute cylinders are usually very hard to come by as compared to Blue Amberols. When you do find them, they are more often than not damaged by mold. If the mold coverage is severe, they are rendered unplayable. Also, the wax cylinders break very easily. Undamaged, clean wax records are often very pricey as compared to Blue Amberols. This is why you usually find 2-minute cylinder machines priced well-below their 2/4 and 4-minute cousins. -Phil O'Keefe Visit my Edison Phonograph Website http://www.engineeringexpert.net/edphono.htm On 7/6/04 9:18 PM, Greg drgr...@msn.com wrote: I have a 2 minute only Edison Standard in my collection. I recently picked up a Columbia Eagle B; also 2 minute only. I would like to purchase some additional 2 minute cylinder recordings but I am confused as to how I can distinguish them from the 4 minute records. They are not always properly identified on eBay. It's very confusing. I know that all Blue Amberols are 4 minute. I need an easy and fool-proof way to identify 2 minute records. E.g., are all Gold Moulded records 2 minute? Greg ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] 2 Minute Education
Yes, all the 4-minute wax Amberols that I have seen have a 4M just before the record number (e.g. 4M-475 WHO WILL CARE FOR MOTHER NOW? OAKLAND AND CHORUS). Of course, Blue Amberols are some shade of blue celluloid with a plaster core. Any other cylinder should be assumed to be 2-minute. -Phil O'Keefe On 7/6/04 9:18 PM, Greg drgr...@msn.com wrote: I have a 2 minute only Edison Standard in my collection. I recently picked up a Columbia Eagle B; also 2 minute only. I would like to purchase some additional 2 minute cylinder recordings but I am confused as to how I can distinguish them from the 4 minute records. They are not always properly identified on eBay. It's very confusing. I know that all Blue Amberols are 4 minute. I need an easy and fool-proof way to identify 2 minute records. E.g., are all Gold Moulded records 2 minute? Greg ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] 2 Minute Education
Hi Greg, I am certain that you have seen the grooves on a regular 78 rpm record. These are about the same size as a 4 minute cylinder grooves. Have you ever seen a Pathe record that is played with a Ball stylus? These are close to the size of a two minute record. On a 4 minute the grooves are 200 per inch and you cannot clearly see the groove bottoms, with a two minute record the grooves are 100 per inch and you can clearly see the bottom of the groove where the sound is. If anyone does not agree, please let me know. Thanks, Steve - Original Message - From: Greg drgr...@msn.com To: phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:18 PM Subject: [Phono-L] 2 Minute Education I have a 2 minute only Edison Standard in my collection. I recently picked up a Columbia Eagle B; also 2 minute only. I would like to purchase some additional 2 minute cylinder recordings but I am confused as to how I can distinguish them from the 4 minute records. They are not always properly identified on eBay. It's very confusing. I know that all Blue Amberols are 4 minute. I need an easy and fool-proof way to identify 2 minute records. E.g., are all Gold Moulded records 2 minute? Greg ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
