Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
Hello Al and all who helped, I really appreciate all the serial numbers. Steve To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hi Steve: The highest number Model N Reproducer in a Gem E that I know of is 67830. It is a domed one with the large N on the fishtail weight. Hope that helps... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
Thanks, I did not want to bore anyone. From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:11:43 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E naw, keep it public. we love it. -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Sorry, meant to send this off list. Steve From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:26:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hello Al, Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed yourself. I have often wondered when the Edison phonograph carriages went from clips to the set screw. George Paul tells me Standard 52182 that has the clips and 53411 that has the screw left the factory in April 1902. He has data that tells when machines left the factory. I guess the set screw came out in October 1901 as the early B got the notch in the 17,000 range and the Model C appeared around 25,000, but this is only a guess based on the Frow book saying the standard got the push pull lift know in October 1901 when it did not get it until around Standard S108,000 which would have been way into 1902. It is my idea he got the push pull lift know and the set screw mixed up. I have learned it is very hard to pin Edison products down with dates. Best regards, Steve Steve, Both No.52182 and No.53411 left the factory about April 1902. Makes sense, doesn't it? Best,George To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hi Steve: The highest number Model N Reproducer in a Gem E that I know of is 67830. It is a domed one with the large N on the fishtail weight. Hope that helps... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
hi all both edison and colombia did strange things i have two aow's that are close in serial numbers and the horn connection on one has a step down where the horn connects and the other does not. also i have a 1901 edison spring motor with a north american top and and mandrel. they were like any business and utilized what was at hand they were not collectors like us but sold products lol zono -Original Message- From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, Aug 30, 2012 10:26 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E naw, keep it public. we love it. -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Sorry, meant to send this off list. Steve From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:26:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hello Al, Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed yourself. I have often wondered when the Edison phonograph carriages went from clips to the set screw. George Paul tells me Standard 52182 that has the clips and 53411 that has the screw left the factory in April 1902. He has data that tells when machines left the factory. I guess the set screw came out in October 1901 as the early B got the notch in the 17,000 range and the Model C appeared around 25,000, but this is only a guess based on the Frow book saying the standard got the push pull lift know in October 1901 when it did not get it until around Standard S108,000 which would have been way into 1902. It is my idea he got the push pull lift know and the set screw mixed up. I have learned it is very hard to pin Edison products down with dates. Best regards, Steve Steve, Both No.52182 and No.53411 left the factory about April 1902. Makes sense, doesn't it? Best,George To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hi Steve: The highest number Model N Reproducer in a Gem E that I know of is 67830. It is a domed one with the large N on the fishtail weight. Hope that helps... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
Hello Al, Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed yourself. I have often wondered when the Edison phonograph carriages went from clips to the set screw. George Paul tells me Standard 52182 that has the clips and 53411 that has the screw left the factory in April 1902. He has data that tells when machines left the factory. I guess the set screw came out in October 1901 as the early B got the notch in the 17,000 range and the Model C appeared around 25,000, but this is only a guess based on the Frow book saying the standard got the push pull lift know in October 1901 when it did not get it until around Standard S108,000 which would have been way into 1902. It is my idea he got the push pull lift know and the set screw mixed up. I have learned it is very hard to pin Edison products down with dates. Best regards, Steve Steve, Both No.52182 and No.53411 left the factory about April 1902. Makes sense, doesn't it? Best,George To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hi Steve: The highest number Model N Reproducer in a Gem E that I know of is 67830. It is a domed one with the large N on the fishtail weight. Hope that helps... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
Sorry, meant to send this off list. Steve From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:26:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hello Al, Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed yourself. I have often wondered when the Edison phonograph carriages went from clips to the set screw. George Paul tells me Standard 52182 that has the clips and 53411 that has the screw left the factory in April 1902. He has data that tells when machines left the factory. I guess the set screw came out in October 1901 as the early B got the notch in the 17,000 range and the Model C appeared around 25,000, but this is only a guess based on the Frow book saying the standard got the push pull lift know in October 1901 when it did not get it until around Standard S108,000 which would have been way into 1902. It is my idea he got the push pull lift know and the set screw mixed up. I have learned it is very hard to pin Edison products down with dates. Best regards, Steve Steve, Both No.52182 and No.53411 left the factory about April 1902. Makes sense, doesn't it? Best,George To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hi Steve: The highest number Model N Reproducer in a Gem E that I know of is 67830. It is a domed one with the large N on the fishtail weight. Hope that helps... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
naw, keep it public. we love it. -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Sorry, meant to send this off list. Steve From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:26:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hello Al, Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed yourself. I have often wondered when the Edison phonograph carriages went from clips to the set screw. George Paul tells me Standard 52182 that has the clips and 53411 that has the screw left the factory in April 1902. He has data that tells when machines left the factory. I guess the set screw came out in October 1901 as the early B got the notch in the 17,000 range and the Model C appeared around 25,000, but this is only a guess based on the Frow book saying the standard got the push pull lift know in October 1901 when it did not get it until around Standard S108,000 which would have been way into 1902. It is my idea he got the push pull lift know and the set screw mixed up. I have learned it is very hard to pin Edison products down with dates. Best regards, Steve Steve, Both No.52182 and No.53411 left the factory about April 1902. Makes sense, doesn't it? Best,George To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E Hi Steve: The highest number Model N Reproducer in a Gem E that I know of is 67830. It is a domed one with the large N on the fishtail weight. Hope that helps... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
Hi Steve: The highest number Model N Reproducer in a Gem E that I know of is 67830. It is a domed one with the large N on the fishtail weight. Hope that helps... Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Gem Model E
I am trying to narrow down Model N serial numbers, if anone has a Gem E I would be interested in the serial number of the N reproducer and the machine. You can reply off list if you like. Hit reply and copy and paste my e-mail address. Thanks, Steve The N was made for the Standard E and appeared around serial number 22,000 with a flat top and round weight. The N was used for the Gem E and left over Gem D machines. It was made for the later Amberolas to play the wax amberols. The N-56 was made for the amberola 5 and 6, the regular N was made for the amberola 8 and 10. 1 The first N was the round weight; it came out around serial number 22,000. This had the pot metal flat top. The first one said Nat’l Phono around 25614 they have TAE Inc on them. 2. The second N was the trowel, not to be mistaken with the N-56. The trowel N does not have a pillar for the Amberola lift. This likely came out the same time as the trowel O around 42,000. These have the early dome top. 3. Then come the bent weight N’s. I have observed the start around 46,000 and they normally have the good or last style of large top. The bent weight N has six varieties. 1. Extended H weight stamped Model N over H 4 Minute. 2. Extended H weight stamped Model N 4 Minute. 3. Extended H weight stamped Model-N in slightly larger letters 4Extended H weight stamped N. 5. N weight stamped N 6. N weight stamped N with pin holding stylus bar in place. The Frow book has four of these and does not mention the trowel weight N. 7. Then the N-56 which has three serial number varieties. First the regular O and N serial number, I have seen one in the 70,000 range. Then more commonly I have seen four in the R and S serial number range of 31,000. Finally the A series, I know of an N-56 with an A287 serial number. I believe the A series were made after the fire but I could be mistaken. I do know for certain that C, H and K’s were made after the fire along with 2 and 4 minute recorders. In 1911, Edison's companies were re-organized into Thomas A. Edison, Inc. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Gem Model E
Hi Steve, I have a Model N reproducer with a trowel weight that is S/N 22689. Good luck with your data. Harvey From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Gem Model E I am trying to narrow down Model N serial numbers, if anone has a Gem E I would be interested in the serial number of the N reproducer and the machine. You can reply off list if you like. Hit reply and copy and paste my e-mail address. Thanks, Steve The N was made for the Standard E and appeared around serial number 22,000 with a flat top and round weight. The N was used for the Gem E and left over Gem D machines. It was made for the later Amberolas to play the wax amberols. The N-56 was made for the amberola 5 and 6, the regular N was made for the amberola 8 and 10. 1 The first N was the round weight; it came out around serial number 22,000. This had the pot metal flat top. The first one said Nat’l Phono around 25614 they have TAE Inc on them. 2. The second N was the trowel, not to be mistaken with the N-56. The trowel N does not have a pillar for the Amberola lift. This likely came out the same time as the trowel O around 42,000. These have the early dome top. 3. Then come the bent weight N’s. I have observed the start around 46,000 and they normally have the good or last style of large top. The bent weight N has six varieties. 1. Extended H weight stamped Model N over H 4 Minute. 2. Extended H weight stamped Model N 4 Minute. 3. Extended H weight stamped Model-N in slightly larger letters 4 Extended H weight stamped N. 5. N weight stamped N 6. N weight stamped N with pin holding stylus bar in place. The Frow book has four of these and does not mention the trowel weight N. 7. Then the N-56 which has three serial number varieties. First the regular O and N serial number, I have seen one in the 70,000 range. Then more commonly I have seen four in the R and S serial number range of 31,000. Finally the A series, I know of an N-56 with an A287 serial number. I believe the A series were made after the fire but I could be mistaken. I do know for certain that C, H and K’s were made after the fire along with 2 and 4 minute recorders. In 1911, Edison's companies were re-organized into Thomas A. Edison, Inc. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
