Re: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question
Hi BobIt is a special one. I once had a Vic II humpback with no back bracket, and I got a Vic III bracket and it was not correct. Later I found the correct bracket.John Robles --- On Tue, 5/28/13, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net Subject: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 7:33 PM Phono Listers: I Was discussing a restoration project with my friend and I have the following question: When looking for a back bracket for a Victor II humpback, will one from a 3 / 4 work or is it a special one only for the Victor II/ hump back? I am quite sure a Victor I is to small. any help is appreciated. thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question
John: thanks for the tip, I was concerned of such. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:47 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question Hi BobIt is a special one. I once had a Vic II humpback with no back bracket, and I got a Vic III bracket and it was not correct. Later I found the correct bracket.John Robles --- On Tue, 5/28/13, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net Subject: [Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 7:33 PM Phono Listers: I Was discussing a restoration project with my friend and I have the following question: When looking for a back bracket for a Victor II humpback, will one from a 3 / 4 work or is it a special one only for the Victor II/ hump back? I am quite sure a Victor I is to small. any help is appreciated. thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Victor II back bracket question
Phono Listers: I Was discussing a restoration project with my friend and I have the following question: When looking for a back bracket for a Victor II humpback, will one from a 3 / 4 work or is it a special one only for the Victor II/ hump back? I am quite sure a Victor I is to small. any help is appreciated. thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Victor II ?
Hi Everyone, We are in need of the entire back bracket and tone arm for our new Victor II. Below is the link to an Ebay auction for what looks like a II tone arm and bracket. We were told by Ron Sitko that the Victor II had a specific back bracket and tone arm. Only a part from a II will fit another II. Can anyone tell me if the part in the Ebay auction is from a II. The seller doesn't seem to know. Thanks!Melissa http://www.ebay.com/itm/220877076235 --- On Wed, 10/19/11, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote: From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 9:50 AM Actually The Library of Congress funded an affordable archival cylinder box project for ARSC which just ended last year. Check out info on Page 10 and 11 here: _http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf_ (http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf) They are not commercially available yet though. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor II ?
Hi Melissa, The arm appears to be from a Vic III, IV, V, M, MS, or D. I can't tell by the bracket, though.The total length for a Victor II arm is 7 long. Good luck, Harvey Kravitz From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor II ? Hi Everyone, We are in need of the entire back bracket and tone arm for our new Victor II. Below is the link to an Ebay auction for what looks like a II tone arm and bracket. We were told by Ron Sitko that the Victor II had a specific back bracket and tone arm. Only a part from a II will fit another II. Can anyone tell me if the part in the Ebay auction is from a II. The seller doesn't seem to know. Thanks!Melissa http://www.ebay.com/itm/220877076235 --- On Wed, 10/19/11, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote: From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 9:50 AM Actually The Library of Congress funded an affordable archival cylinder box project for ARSC which just ended last year. Check out info on Page 10 and 11 here: _http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf_ (http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf) They are not commercially available yet though. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor II ?
Thank you, guys!Melissa --- On Wed, 10/19/11, harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com wrote: From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor II ? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 5:39 PM Hi Melissa, The arm appears to be from a Vic III, IV, V, M, MS, or D. I can't tell by the bracket, though.The total length for a Victor II arm is 7 long. Good luck, Harvey Kravitz From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor II ? Hi Everyone, We are in need of the entire back bracket and tone arm for our new Victor II. Below is the link to an Ebay auction for what looks like a II tone arm and bracket. We were told by Ron Sitko that the Victor II had a specific back bracket and tone arm. Only a part from a II will fit another II. Can anyone tell me if the part in the Ebay auction is from a II. The seller doesn't seem to know. Thanks!Melissa http://www.ebay.com/itm/220877076235 --- On Wed, 10/19/11, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote: From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 9:50 AM Actually The Library of Congress funded an affordable archival cylinder box project for ARSC which just ended last year. Check out info on Page 10 and 11 here: _http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf_ (http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf) They are not commercially available yet though. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor II ?
Hi Melissa ~ The following applies mainly to the horn and elbow for the Victor II: Late last year I bought a Victor II, which unbeknownst to me (at the time I bought it at auction), has the lowest documented serial number (35) of any standard model Victor phonograph in the Victor-Victrola on line database. It was complete except for the horn and horn elbow, and because it had this interesting serial number, the search began to complete it properly. The VII seems to be a popular favorite among collectors, with the humpback rear panel an appealing element. You might already be aware of this since you're working on your Victor II generally, but in addition to the tone-arm that Ron noted, the horn elbow is also specific to the II, and can be somewhat hard to find. Reproductions are available, I believe. The horn can be hard to locate as well, the 19 black flower version being much easier to locate than the correct black brass (I'll refer to as bb) earlier style horn. It was a bit of a learning curve to research the variations in sizes of the bb horn. The information in the Victor Data Book is helpful (especially with regard to the black pedal horn), but less so when it comes to what turns out to be a broader range of bell shapes and diameters on the bb horns. According to the VDB, there's quite a leap up in size between a VI and VII bb horn. In reality, I'm now aware of at least two intermediate sizes (between the VI VII bb horn) that the book does not document. One way the VDB IS useful here, is that it breaks down the various production runs of the VII over time, and shows whether a particular series of VII had the bb or 19 pedal horn as original equipment. Your serial number, cabinet and hardware details will help zero in on which series you have and which horn it should have. A very nice VII black pedal horn, correct at 19 just sold on eBay for $129 + shipping; a very fair price I think. A correct bb horn for a VII can cost in the $400 range or more for a decent example. Maybe someone can comment further on the tone-arm length -- If a Victor II has the humpback rear panel, does it take a slightly longer arm than a non-humpback machine? Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: Hi Everyone, We are in need of the entire back bracket and tone arm for our new Victor II. Below is the link to an Ebay auction for what looks like a II tone arm and bracket. We were told by Ron Sitko that the Victor II had a specific back bracket and tone arm. Only a part from a II will fit another II. Can anyone tell me if the part in the Ebay auction is from a II. The seller doesn't seem to know. Thanks!Melissa http://www.ebay.com/itm/220877076235 --- On Wed, 10/19/11, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote: From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 9:50 AM Actually The Library of Congress funded an affordable archival cylinder box project for ARSC which just ended last year. Check out info on Page 10 and 11 here: _http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf_ (http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf) They are not commercially available yet though. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor II ?
Is the mounting hole spacing specific to the II as well? If so, what is it? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of harvey kravitz Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:40 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor II ? Hi Melissa, The arm appears to be from a Vic III, IV, V, M, MS, or D. I can't tell by the bracket, though.The total length for a Victor II arm is 7 long. Good luck, Harvey Kravitz From: Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor II ? Hi Everyone, We are in need of the entire back bracket and tone arm for our new Victor II. Below is the link to an Ebay auction for what looks like a II tone arm and bracket. We were told by Ron Sitko that the Victor II had a specific back bracket and tone arm. Only a part from a II will fit another II. Can anyone tell me if the part in the Ebay auction is from a II. The seller doesn't seem to know. Thanks!Melissa http://www.ebay.com/itm/220877076235 --- On Wed, 10/19/11, srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com wrote: From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Modern Cylinder Boxes - ARSC Project To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 9:50 AM Actually The Library of Congress funded an affordable archival cylinder box project for ARSC which just ended last year. Check out info on Page 10 and 11 here: _http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf_ (http://www.arsc-audio.org/newsletter/nslr124.pdf) They are not commercially available yet though. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Victor II (V 2) horn needed
Hi All ~ Last Sunday I bought a Victor II (Victor the 2nd) at an estate sale of a local collector, but it's missing the horn and elbow. It appears to be an early Type M, according to the Victor Data Book, the one with the small square feet at each corner. The type M appears to be the second taper tone-arm model, preceding the type A through F series of machines. Based on the serial number, I would say it's one of the earliest of that series so most likely the type H (13.75 inch bell diameter) brass bell horn would be correct. If anyone has this horn elbow in decent shape at a reasonable price, I'd appreciate hearing about it. Thanks, Andy Baron Santa Fe, NM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor II ongoing story
Hi all You probably remember that I bought a Victor II Humpback to resell, and it had a Victrola IV tonearm..well I got the correct tonearm from Ron Sitko, and today I spent a few hours cleaning the machine up, finally complete. Brought it in the house, and started to wind it up to try it out for the first time. winding it about 3/4 of the way up and SNAP The winding shaft broke off in the crank. Arrgh. Whose got a Vic II winding shaft and gear??? John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor II on ebay
Hi Bruce; My educated guess is this tone arm and reproducer had the nickel plating removed or polished off. If you look at the horn elbow, bullet brake, etc, these are all nickel plated. I don't believe these parts are from a Victrola only because of the way the tonearm connects to the horn assembly and back bracket. Scott. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor II on ebay
HI ALL it appears to me that all the nickel is off it does not appear to be gold plated zono In a message dated 12/14/2009 4:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bruce78...@comcast.net writes: =370303962111 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor II on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=370303962111ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Does anyone know whether the Victor II shown here is legit ? It appears to have both a gold plated tone arm and reproducer. I was not aware that the Victor II was issued with those features. Also look at the crank, it appears to be a little long for this machine, see the first photo where it appears if you continued cranking the phonograph the horn would hit the top of the table. What's up with this ? Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Victor II elbow for sale
I have a bit of an urgency to raise some quick extra cash, so before I put it on Ebay, I am offering this SUPERNICE original Victor horn elbow to the group. It is replated, and looks great. No dents, no dings. It is from a VIctor II humpback and I think it also fits the Victor III if I recall. If interested, contact me off list. I am asking $165 preferably by Paypal. Reasonable offers would be entertained. See pics here. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Victor%20Elbow/ Thanks John From gbogan...@charter.net Sat Feb 9 18:40:04 2008 From: gbogan...@charter.net (Greg Bogantz) Date: Sat Feb 9 18:40:29 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor versus Columbia big guns References: 006501c86ac9$61d48eb0$6400a...@hpa1514n00f801c86afb$78dd8c60$0301a...@daddell788686816.20080209100...@noring.name004d01c86b77$b0a91390$6400a...@hpa1514n 1594944528.20080209175...@noring.name Message-ID: 009e01c86b8e$3e2b1cc0$6400a...@hpa1514n Hmmm, Jon, sounds like yer asking to have yer cake and eat it, too. A material soft enuf to wear into conformance with the groove quickly would just continue to wear. If it was a tip coating of some sort, then it would wear away, pretty quickly exposing the underlying firm needle material which would then commence to wear itself away, thereby grinding up the record in the process until it developed its own flats. You don't want the material to be soft and elastic. To be so would fail to convey the groove power to the needle shank - the elasticity of the needle tip would yield instead. This might be tolerable during a break-in period, but you wouldn't want it to remain that way or you wouldn't get any loudness from your playback. Teflon and similar slippery materials might be interesting to play with, but most of these materials are too elastic, in my experience, for this application. I'm not up to date on my modern materials, but I can't imagine a material that is stiff enough with a 5 mil cross-section at the groove not to flex under the loading of the heavy reproducer, yet retain high lubricity at the groove wall for an extended number of playings. Remember that shellac record formulations contain limestone, clay, or other abrasive filler, the purpose of which was to wear the needle into conformance with the groove fairly quickly so as to reduce future record wear. These very abrasives would probably play hell with even slippery materials used on needle tips. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Jon Noring j...@noring.name To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Phono-L] Victor versus Columbia big guns Greg wrote: As I said in the earlier response, the tip shape of the tungsten wire is irrelevant. It conforms to the record groove in a matter of seconds when first used. You just have to be aware that it is gouging the crap out of your record while this is happening, so you want to use a junk record during this shaping period. The harder the material used in the needle, the longer it will take to shape it to the record groove. So modern harder materials will probably never be a practical solution. And the problem of tonearm tracking angle error further adds to the likelihood that a super-hard needle would always be gouging your records even after it develops its flats. Actually, I was thinking of two different approaches to the tip material: 1) Something that would wear away quickly and in a way that does minimal wear to the groove. Let the tungsten needle provide the stiffness and transference of the audio energy, and let the tip material have the optimal wear characteristics. (We can think of non-metals, and metalloids such as silicon and germanium.) 2) Something that would adapt to the groove in a non-wear sense, such as a slightly elastic plastic. How would a teflon tip do? In reality, one can't avoid wear, but the elastic tip is certainly intriguing. Teflon and similar fluorocarbons can have low friction and elasticity. I think we should not accept the need to break in a needle on a junk record as a given -- let's see if we can think outside the box and avoid having to do this... Jon Noring ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
