Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
I agree with everyone who has had a negative experience with antique shops... the odds are slim and none. Most antique shops call pickers who they know will immediately buy certain items, so the randomness of the find becomes very slight. Same with flea markets, unless you just stumble onto something by chance. I have been in a flea market on the very first day and searched known vendors for items of interest, only to find that on the last day of the market someone bought an unusual item from a vendor that I had searched two days before - the vendor held items back to show to a certain person, even though they were not already purchased by that person. That being said, I nominate Kinney Rorrer for my candidate of the collector with extremely good luck. Several years ago, he found a Victor 6 ornate horn machine cabinet in an antique shop for under $100, but his best find was in Greensboro, NC at a junk shop. He walked in and found an Auxetophone for I think, $135 - then the ow ner of the shop informed him that that item was on sale for 20% off... unbelievable. From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:25:04 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 now tim i just bought my second rollmonica with two cranks and a killer columbia by in a local shop lol zono In a message dated 8/18/2013 10:30:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phonop...@aol.com writes: From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
I seem to do all right in antique shops myself, but the truth is my interests are wide-ranging and I really don't need any more things, so I'm more curious than driven. The Tales Of The Herzog And The Auxetophone are wonderful, though (capitalization is necessary for such fantastic experiences), and prove that extraordinary things are indeed still out there, if pursued with relaxed good humour and modest expectations. I know one gentleman on this list who several years ago was moved to seek out an Orthophonic Credenza, which his collection then lacked, because I had just found a nice induction-disc electric-motored one in a most unprepossessing Cleveland junk shop for $75. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Vinyl Visions [vinyl.visi...@live.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:04 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I agree with everyone who has had a negative experience with antique shops... the odds are slim and none. Most antique shops call pickers who they know will immediately buy certain items, so the randomness of the find becomes very slight. Same with flea markets, unless you just stumble onto something by chance. I have been in a flea market on the very first day and searched known vendors for items of interest, only to find that on the last day of the market someone bought an unusual item from a vendor that I had searched two days before - the vendor held items back to show to a certain person, even though they were not already purchased by that person. That being said, I nominate Kinney Rorrer for my candidate of the collector with extremely good luck. Several years ago, he found a Victor 6 ornate horn machine cabinet in an antique shop for under $100, but his best find was in Greensboro, NC at a junk shop. He walked in and found an Auxetophone for I think, $135 - then the ow ner of the shop informed him that that item was on sale for 20% off... unbelievable. From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:25:04 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 now tim i just bought my second rollmonica with two cranks and a killer columbia by in a local shop lol zono In a message dated 8/18/2013 10:30:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phonop...@aol.com writes: From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
Well, if we want to discuss the past, yes, back in the 70s I did find some good things in shops. And during the 80s I did well finding things at antique shows, too. The 90s weren't entirely bad, but much sparser. And lately NADA. But how about a little ray of sunshine? --- last year while attending a wedding in VT, I happened upon a shop that was along my route, stopped in, the guy was somebody I had run into at Brimfield, and he was marginally interested in phonos. He had a few machines (surprised to see them), but also some parts, and I bought an Eldridge Johnson ID plate for an Eldridge Johnson machine which I needed. It wasn't dirt cheap, the guy was well informed, but it was something one doesn't expect to find. Cheers, TF. -Original Message- From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I seem to do all right in antique shops myself, but the truth is my interests are wide-ranging and I really don't need any more things, so I'm more curious than driven. The Tales Of The Herzog And The Auxetophone are wonderful, though (capitalization is necessary for such fantastic experiences), and prove that extraordinary things are indeed still out there, if pursued with relaxed good humour and modest expectations. I know one gentleman on this list who several years ago was moved to seek out an Orthophonic Credenza, which his collection then lacked, because I had just found a nice induction-disc electric-motored one in a most unprepossessing Cleveland junk shop for $75. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Vinyl Visions [vinyl.visi...@live.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:04 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I agree with everyone who has had a negative experience with antique shops... the odds are slim and none. Most antique shops call pickers who they know will immediately buy certain items, so the randomness of the find becomes very slight. Same with flea markets, unless you just stumble onto something by chance. I have been in a flea market on the very first day and searched known vendors for items of interest, only to find that on the last day of the market someone bought an unusual item from a vendor that I had searched two days before - the vendor held items back to show to a certain person, even though they were not already purchased by that person. That being said, I nominate Kinney Rorrer for my candidate of the collector with extremely good luck. Several years ago, he found a Victor 6 ornate horn machine cabinet in an antique shop for under $100, but his best find was in Greensboro, NC at a junk shop. He walked in and found an Auxetophone for I think, $135 - then the ow ner of the shop informed him that that item was on sale for 20% off... unbelievable. From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:25:04 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 now tim i just bought my second rollmonica with two cranks and a killer columbia by in a local shop lol zono In a message dated 8/18/2013 10:30:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phonop...@aol.com writes: From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my
Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742
Tim, I'm glad all is not doom and gloom for you. Remember, though, all these past experiences people are mentioning seem to be from the 2000s, not the 70s-90s, plus you know the gent who got a Credenza inspired by my find _quite well_. (I suppose I shouldn't even mention the late Edison Long Play Console that went very cheaply at one of the Clarence sheds not long ago...with both reproducers and intact diamonds...shame there were no discs...) I hear burnout! (Maybe not.) Best, PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Tim Fabrizio [phonop...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:06 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, if we want to discuss the past, yes, back in the 70s I did find some good things in shops. And during the 80s I did well finding things at antique shows, too. The 90s weren't entirely bad, but much sparser. And lately NADA. But how about a little ray of sunshine? --- last year while attending a wedding in VT, I happened upon a shop that was along my route, stopped in, the guy was somebody I had run into at Brimfield, and he was marginally interested in phonos. He had a few machines (surprised to see them), but also some parts, and I bought an Eldridge Johnson ID plate for an Eldridge Johnson machine which I needed. It wasn't dirt cheap, the guy was well informed, but it was something one doesn't expect to find. Cheers, TF. -Original Message- From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I seem to do all right in antique shops myself, but the truth is my interests are wide-ranging and I really don't need any more things, so I'm more curious than driven. The Tales Of The Herzog And The Auxetophone are wonderful, though (capitalization is necessary for such fantastic experiences), and prove that extraordinary things are indeed still out there, if pursued with relaxed good humour and modest expectations. I know one gentleman on this list who several years ago was moved to seek out an Orthophonic Credenza, which his collection then lacked, because I had just found a nice induction-disc electric-motored one in a most unprepossessing Cleveland junk shop for $75. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Vinyl Visions [vinyl.visi...@live.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:04 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I agree with everyone who has had a negative experience with antique shops... the odds are slim and none. Most antique shops call pickers who they know will immediately buy certain items, so the randomness of the find becomes very slight. Same with flea markets, unless you just stumble onto something by chance. I have been in a flea market on the very first day and searched known vendors for items of interest, only to find that on the last day of the market someone bought an unusual item from a vendor that I had searched two days before - the vendor held items back to show to a certain person, even though they were not already purchased by that person. That being said, I nominate Kinney Rorrer for my candidate of the collector with extremely good luck. Several years ago, he found a Victor 6 ornate horn machine cabinet in an antique shop for under $100, but his best find was in Greensboro, NC at a junk shop. He walked in and found an Auxetophone for I think, $135 - then the ow ner of the shop informed him that that item was on sale for 20% off... unbelievable. From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:25:04 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 now tim i just bought my second rollmonica with two cranks and a killer columbia by in a local shop lol zono In a message dated 8/18/2013 10:30:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phonop...@aol.com writes: From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly
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Well, I wouldn't say burnout more like fatalism. Which I guess is worse --- oh, oh I better keep my mouth shut! TF -Original Message- From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Tim, I'm glad all is not doom and gloom for you. Remember, though, all these past experiences people are mentioning seem to be from the 2000s, not the 70s-90s, plus you know the gent who got a Credenza inspired by my find _quite well_. (I suppose I shouldn't even mention the late Edison Long Play Console that went very cheaply at one of the Clarence sheds not long ago...with both reproducers and intact diamonds...shame there were no discs...) I hear burnout! (Maybe not.) Best, PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Tim Fabrizio [phonop...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:06 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, if we want to discuss the past, yes, back in the 70s I did find some good things in shops. And during the 80s I did well finding things at antique shows, too. The 90s weren't entirely bad, but much sparser. And lately NADA. But how about a little ray of sunshine? --- last year while attending a wedding in VT, I happened upon a shop that was along my route, stopped in, the guy was somebody I had run into at Brimfield, and he was marginally interested in phonos. He had a few machines (surprised to see them), but also some parts, and I bought an Eldridge Johnson ID plate for an Eldridge Johnson machine which I needed. It wasn't dirt cheap, the guy was well informed, but it was something one doesn't expect to find. Cheers, TF. -Original Message- From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I seem to do all right in antique shops myself, but the truth is my interests are wide-ranging and I really don't need any more things, so I'm more curious than driven. The Tales Of The Herzog And The Auxetophone are wonderful, though (capitalization is necessary for such fantastic experiences), and prove that extraordinary things are indeed still out there, if pursued with relaxed good humour and modest expectations. I know one gentleman on this list who several years ago was moved to seek out an Orthophonic Credenza, which his collection then lacked, because I had just found a nice induction-disc electric-motored one in a most unprepossessing Cleveland junk shop for $75. PC From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Vinyl Visions [vinyl.visi...@live.com] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:04 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I agree with everyone who has had a negative experience with antique shops... the odds are slim and none. Most antique shops call pickers who they know will immediately buy certain items, so the randomness of the find becomes very slight. Same with flea markets, unless you just stumble onto something by chance. I have been in a flea market on the very first day and searched known vendors for items of interest, only to find that on the last day of the market someone bought an unusual item from a vendor that I had searched two days before - the vendor held items back to show to a certain person, even though they were not already purchased by that person. That being said, I nominate Kinney Rorrer for my candidate of the collector with extremely good luck. Several years ago, he found a Victor 6 ornate horn machine cabinet in an antique shop for under $100, but his best find was in Greensboro, NC at a junk shop. He walked in and found an Auxetophone for I think, $135 - then the ow ner of the shop informed him that that item was on sale for 20% off... unbelievable. From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 14:25:04 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 now tim i just bought my second rollmonica with two cranks and a killer columbia by in a local shop lol zono In a message dated 8/18/2013 10:30:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phonop...@aol.com writes: From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles
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You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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It sure does! From: bruce78...@comcast.net bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I'd like to have a good organette. Just not rich enough to afford most of them anymore. Used to be cheap! The best things I found in shops were a gold Exhibition and a Columbia grafonola reproucer, $50 for the pair; Original 14 witchs hat horn, $30...hmm...I think that is it...The phonographs I have found were run of the mill. John Robles From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Well, I don't really swear by stopping in shops. I usually swear as I'm leaving the shops empty-handed. Before I retired, my work involved almost-daily travel to ten different counties of our state. For the last 10 years or so of my work life, I took to eating while I drove, and invested my lunch hour in antique shopping. Despite the fond memories of what I found, I recall that my estimate was 1 find for every 25 stops. But I was already driving by those shops, so there was no harm in stopping. Nothing ventured... However, I've been retired for over 4 years now, and guess how many times I've made a special trip to go searching through antique shops that are out-of-town? None. Not once. I still stop in antique shops when I'm passing by, but I don't make special trips. It's just not worth the time and gas. As my esteemed colleague wrote, antique shops are not what they used to be. I'm fortunate that I live within 1/2 mile of THREE antique shops. I know the proprietors well, and they call me when they have something they think I'd like. And I do stop at shops if I'm driving by anyway... George P. -Original Message- From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 10:30 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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now tim i just bought my second rollmonica with two cranks and a killer columbia by in a local shop lol zono In a message dated 8/18/2013 10:30:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, phonop...@aol.com writes: From my own experience, stopping in antique shops can be more depressing than fruitful. In fact, I've pretty much given up, otherwise I'd have to take mega-doses of anti-depressants. The last time I actually found something in an antique shop was years, possibly decades ago. Of course, there are always the incidents such as John related which will fill the rest of us with resolve to stop at every antique shop, waiting for that 742 to appear -- but I prefer to enjoy my mental health and not trudge through aisles of discarded garage-sale glassware. I know that I may sound like a snob -- but in fact I'm too strongly affected by memory of what antique shops used to be in the distant past. What many seem to be now are repositories for what DIDN'T sell on eBay. Case in point --- My wife and I were visiting friends in coastal Maine, supposedly a good antiquing area. I was bored, so arranged with a pal to make a circuit of the antique shops in the area. Spent all day, and even attended a yearly antique show that was being held in a school gym. Many, many group shops, some individuals, but at least 20 shops were seen. The result --- ZILCH. Here's what I saw--- Gem Roller Organ (doesn't count, not a phonograph) Rollmonica (ditto) VV XI VV IX Run-of-the-mill Brunswick Diamond Disc C150 Some beat-up Diamond Discs Crapophone Box that once held a Jewel Phonoparts attachment So, I suppose the GOOD news is, me not stopping at antique shops means that everybody else gets all the good stuff I will be missing. I should say, in fairness, that my esteemed colleague Mr. Paul swears by stopping in shops and has found untold bounty in them. I guess somebody up there likes him! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:12 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 I have had that happen as well, I think many of us have. You kept driving by the antique shop and something was trying to entice you in, but you didn't act on it, and then you found out something really special was there, but someone else ended up with it because you didn't stop when you should have. It is a sick feeling that does stay with you, especially every time you pass the shop again and again. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 You know what the worst thing is about this? He is from Orange County, which is a couple of hours away, but he found it in a shop ten miles from my house. A shop I have never been to, but meant to go to on Friday! I would have had that machine if I had only gone in there when I meant to!!! Makes me sick... John From: Tim Fabrizio phonop...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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If Ken or someone replicates them, let me know.I have 2 of the cabinets: one for disc machines and one for cylinders.Thanks Stan Stanford, Portland, OR -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tim Fabrizio Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Well, all those Herzogs for cylinder machines used an internal horn, though few seem to have retained them. I like Ken's idea about replicating them! Best to all, Tim Fabrizio -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phonolist phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2013 9:21 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Picture of the Herzog 742 Here is a pic, sorry, forgot the link! http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Herzog%20742 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
