RE: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document
1-Since he's posting to a PHP-DB list, I think we can assume he plans to implement it in PHP using a database to capture and store the comments/ideas. Correct, thank you. Jeff - Do you have a plan in place for your DB schema or the backend processing that might take place? No, I'm still at the thinking stage. Since I'm new to PHP + databases, I was hoping to get expert feedback at the earliest stage, rather than discovering too late that my idea wasn't the best approach. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DB] collaborating on a document
I'm thinking about making a little tool where people can contribute ideas in real time. Thus far, the best way I can see to do this is via 2 frames Frame 1: for entering data - which is inserted into a table. Frame 2: would select from the table. It would also refresh frequently - say every 30 seconds. But perhaps you have a more elegant solution? Thanks, Jeffrey Baumgartner eBusiness Consultant - ITP Europe http://www.itp-europe.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 2 721 51 00 -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document
1. This question has nothing to do with PHP or databases. 2. Adobe already thought of it: Adobe Acrobat 5.0. -Original Message- From: Baumgartner Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document I'm thinking about making a little tool where people can contribute ideas in real time. Thus far, the best way I can see to do this is via 2 frames Frame 1: for entering data - which is inserted into a table. Frame 2: would select from the table. It would also refresh frequently - say every 30 seconds. But perhaps you have a more elegant solution? Thanks, Jeffrey Baumgartner eBusiness Consultant - ITP Europe http://www.itp-europe.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 2 721 51 00 -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document
Riiight, anyway, since Adobe Acrobat is the worst possible answer for updating in real time (and completely wouldn't work), I would say, yes, two frames should work, but you might even want a third (hidden) at the bottom that never stops executing, just pulling entry's out when new ones are added, and use _javascript_ to add them to the right frames with the ideas. On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 10:16, Hutchins, Richard wrote: 1. This question has nothing to do with PHP or databases. 2. Adobe already thought of it: Adobe Acrobat 5.0. -Original Message- From: Baumgartner Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document I'm thinking about making a little tool where people can contribute ideas in real time. Thus far, the best way I can see to do this is via 2 frames Frame 1: for entering data - which is inserted into a table. Frame 2: would select from the table. It would also refresh frequently - say every 30 seconds. But perhaps you have a more elegant solution? Thanks, Jeffrey Baumgartner eBusiness Consultant - ITP Europe http://www.itp-europe.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 2 721 51 00 -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Adam Voigt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Cryptocomm Group My GPG Key: http://64.238.252.49:8080/adam_at_cryptocomm.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document
Actually, Adobe 5.0 implemented on a server in Assembled or Integrated (their words, not mine) configuration DOES allow for real-time document collaboration. Whether this solution would actually solve the problem is determined by the requirements of the collaboration environment. If you're thinking Acrobat 4.0, you're absolutely right. Real-time collaboration is, for all practical purposes, non-existent. I'm not going to get into any further debate because it's off topic and all of the information is available on Adobe.com, specifically in the following links: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/pdfs/acr05_review_wp.pdf and, more generally, http://www.adobe.com/acrofamily/collaboration.html. In regards to actually implementing a solution using JS, yes can work, but you're walking what can be a tight rope on client-side configuration. Some of the standard issues are: 1. You have to make sure your users all have JS enabled or your app won't work. 2. You'll have to write cross-browser compatible code back to v. 4.0 browsers as a standard. 3. Refreshing a screen every 30 seconds is going to really tick off users that don't have DSL or better connections. These issues are certainly not insurmountable. All of the above concerns can be alleviated, if not eliminated, if you're going to implement on an intranet where you have control over what clients are used. But in the WWW arena, you just don't know what clients are going to be used. -Original Message- From: Adam Voigt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document Riiight, anyway, since Adobe Acrobat is the worst possible answer for updating in real time (and completely wouldn't work), I would say, yes, two frames should work, but you might even want a third (hidden) at the bottom that never stops executing, just pulling entry's out when new ones are added, and use javascript to add them to the right frames with the ideas. On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 10:16, Hutchins, Richard wrote: 1. This question has nothing to do with PHP or databases. 2. Adobe already thought of it: Adobe Acrobat 5.0. -Original Message- From: Baumgartner Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document I'm thinking about making a little tool where people can contribute ideas in real time. Thus far, the best way I can see to do this is via 2 frames Frame 1: for entering data - which is inserted into a table. Frame 2: would select from the table. It would also refresh frequently - say every 30 seconds. But perhaps you have a more elegant solution? Thanks, Jeffrey Baumgartner eBusiness Consultant - ITP Europe http://www.itp-europe.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 2 721 51 00 -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Adam Voigt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Cryptocomm Group My GPG Key: http://64.238.252.49:8080/adam_at_cryptocomm.asc -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document
Ofcourse then everyone has to have Adobe installed, which is probably less likely then having _javascript_ enabled. On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 10:39, Hutchins, Richard wrote: Actually, Adobe 5.0 implemented on a server in Assembled or Integrated (their words, not mine) configuration DOES allow for real-time document collaboration. Whether this solution would actually solve the problem is determined by the requirements of the collaboration environment. If you're thinking Acrobat 4.0, you're absolutely right. Real-time collaboration is, for all practical purposes, non-existent. I'm not going to get into any further debate because it's off topic and all of the information is available on Adobe.com, specifically in the following links: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/pdfs/acr05_review_wp.pdf and, more generally, http://www.adobe.com/acrofamily/collaboration.html. In regards to actually implementing a solution using JS, yes can work, but you're walking what can be a tight rope on client-side configuration. Some of the standard issues are: 1. You have to make sure your users all have JS enabled or your app won't work. 2. You'll have to write cross-browser compatible code back to v. 4.0 browsers as a standard. 3. Refreshing a screen every 30 seconds is going to really tick off users that don't have DSL or better connections. These issues are certainly not insurmountable. All of the above concerns can be alleviated, if not eliminated, if you're going to implement on an intranet where you have control over what clients are used. But in the WWW arena, you just don't know what clients are going to be used. -Original Message- From: Adam Voigt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document Riiight, anyway, since Adobe Acrobat is the worst possible answer for updating in real time (and completely wouldn't work), I would say, yes, two frames should work, but you might even want a third (hidden) at the bottom that never stops executing, just pulling entry's out when new ones are added, and use _javascript_ to add them to the right frames with the ideas. On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 10:16, Hutchins, Richard wrote: 1. This question has nothing to do with PHP or databases. 2. Adobe already thought of it: Adobe Acrobat 5.0. -Original Message- From: Baumgartner Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document I'm thinking about making a little tool where people can contribute ideas in real time. Thus far, the best way I can see to do this is via 2 frames Frame 1: for entering data - which is inserted into a table. Frame 2: would select from the table. It would also refresh frequently - say every 30 seconds. But perhaps you have a more elegant solution? Thanks, Jeffrey Baumgartner eBusiness Consultant - ITP Europe http://www.itp-europe.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 2 721 51 00 -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Adam Voigt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Cryptocomm Group My GPG Key: http://64.238.252.49:8080/adam_at_cryptocomm.asc -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Adam Voigt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Cryptocomm Group My GPG Key: http://64.238.252.49:8080/adam_at_cryptocomm.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document
1-Since he's posting to a PHP-DB list, I think we can assume he plans to implement it in PHP using a database to capture and store the comments/ideas. Jeff - Do you have a plan in place for your DB schema or the backend processing that might take place? 2-Adobe may have a solution, but that doesn't mean a)it's the best solution, b) it's an affordable solution, and c) there's no room for developing another solution. If that were the case, there would only be one software company in the world. For that matter, there'd be only one anything company in the world. 3-No reason to be a jerk. --- Hutchins, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. This question has nothing to do with PHP or databases. 2. Adobe already thought of it: Adobe Acrobat 5.0. -Original Message- From: Baumgartner Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] collaborating on a document I'm thinking about making a little tool where people can contribute ideas in real time. Thus far, the best way I can see to do this is via 2 frames Frame 1: for entering data - which is inserted into a table. Frame 2: would select from the table. It would also refresh frequently - say every 30 seconds. But perhaps you have a more elegant solution? Thanks, Jeffrey Baumgartner eBusiness Consultant - ITP Europe http://www.itp-europe.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +32 2 721 51 00 -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php = Mark Weinstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You can't demand something as a right unless you are willing to fight to death to defend everyone else's right to the same thing. -Stolen from the now-defunct Randy's Random mailing list. *** __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
