RE: [PHP-DEV] Totally Blue Sky / beta testers?

2001-06-29 Thread Marc Boeren


Hi,

  Seriously, we could use a couple beta testers. I've been told I
  can accept 5 beta-testers. Benefits are that you can distribute
  your first project for free... Interested? 
 
 *IF* I do not have to sign a non-compete, then count me in.  If you 
 end up going the commercial route, then I will probably re-open my 
 efforts into making a GPL version, and I won't sign away that right.

There will not be a non-compete thing or such. The only rule is that you
don't use it commercially and that you will give us comments on what works,
what doesn't, possible differences between a site on our app (which we
dubbed 'localsite' for now) and on an actual webserver, anything else you
notice that is either odd or good, and two-way communication to solve any
issues that arise.

 Small, amateur developers like me would be very unlikely to drop that 
 sort of cash unless the program was packed full of slick features 
 which made it invaluable.  The competative product is Visual Basic 
 and I think that's $100.  I tend to look for shareware products in 
 the $40 and less arena.

Our expected target audience is a developer/company that builds custom
applications for clients. This means they can charge the extra costs
directly to their client, and usually the project costs a whole lot more
than that.
Our company builds websites for clients (and more, but that isn't relevant
here), but if our client wants a cd-rom application, we build a website and
distribute it on cd-rom using our application to make it work in a
standalone environment. Added-value here is that there is only one
development project for cd-rom and internet, as you can use the exact same
php-pages on both. So if a company wants both cd and www, the project costs
significantly less if you only have one development route.
This means the competative product is not visual basic, at least not in this
area. If you just use it to make some windows applications, vb would
probably make a better tool...

On the other hand, we didn't really think about amateur developers (or
shareware developers or the like) who create simple applications. Since we
have a project-based background, that was our first thought. But then, our
plans to create a project-based licensing scheme would probably be no good
to a shareware developer either, they just want to buy it once and then use
it whenever possible (at least, this is what I would do).

I'll discuss it here, and we'll see what emerges :-)

 Corporations would have no problem spending that sort of money, but 
 they also tend to hire professional programmers who would not be 
 daunted by the challenges of programming Windows in VC++.

But then, a VC++ (or VB) project cannot be put on a webserver, which is
where a php-application has the edge...

About the beta, I'll create a package tomorrow or early next week and mail
it to you, ok? (about 100k zipped).

Cheerio, Marc.

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RE: [PHP-DEV] Totally Blue Sky / beta testers?

2001-06-26 Thread Marc Boeren


Hi!

 That's excellent.  Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this 
 is a cool idea.  How long have you been in development of this?  When 
 did you start?

It's been a project originally to do the same thing as described, but
without using php but rather a custom program that used IE as a gui frontend
and was built in the dll instead of as an executable. We've been turning
towards php lately, so I modified the application to be able to use php. So
I started about a year ago (maybe a little longer), but as it was such a
small part of the project I couldn't really say how long I worked on it. I
know it took a lot of trial and error coding, as microsoft documentation
looks really impressive (volume-wise), but when you get down to the details
it suddenly doesn't tell you much anymore...

 Open source is my goal, personally, but I respect your plans even if 
 they are commercial.  

They're not my plans, really. I would like OS too, but PHB's think
differently. I can understand that, though. They're coming around a little
(they let me contribute the dbx module under the php license).
I've been talking about it with the PHB's yesterday, and the plan is to
release it as a commercial app. 
License would be something like 
- free for personal/development/evaluation use
- pay for every project that you distribute with the app (regardless of how
many copies of that project you make)
Pricing is not definitive yet, but could be somewhere in the range $250-500,
depending how many people are going to use it. Could you tell me if such a
price would make you think twice about using it? The app will usually be
distributed as part of a site/app you developed, probably with a
project-price that is many-many times the proposed price.

 What do you call your app and what can I do to help?  Anything?

Yeah, you can come up with a good name ;-)
Seriously, we could use a couple beta testers. I've been told I can accept 5
beta-testers. Benefits are that you can distribute your first project for
free... Interested?

Cheerio, Marc.

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