php-general Digest 11 Nov 2010 08:49:03 -0000 Issue 7032
php-general Digest 11 Nov 2010 08:49:03 - Issue 7032 Topics (messages 309432 through 309442): php running as module or cgi? 309432 by: Al Re: Updating a GET variable 309433 by: Nathan Rixham Re: Chat 309434 by: Nathan Rixham Re: Template engines 309435 by: Nathan Rixham 309438 by: Daniel P. Brown 309440 by: David Robley 309441 by: Robert Cummings 309442 by: David Robley Re: Newbie looking for a project 309436 by: Nathan Rixham parse_ini_file() seems to be broken in PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12 309437 by: Daevid Vincent How do I convert the string E_ALL ~E_NOTICE to the decimal equivalent 6135? 309439 by: Daevid Vincent Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-subscr...@lists.php.net To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: php-general-digest-unsubscr...@lists.php.net To post to the list, e-mail: php-gene...@lists.php.net -- ---BeginMessage--- Briefly, what are the trade offs on a typical shared host? I've done a little research and can't seem to find anything outstanding either way. Seems like as an Apache module is faster. This argument makes sense. CGI is more secure, this argument doesn't seem too persuasive to me. Maybe I'm missing something. Thanks ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Tamara Temple wrote: On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Marc Guay wrote: foreach($_GET as $k = $v) $qs[$k] = URLDecode($v); $qs['lang'] = 'en'; echo 'a href=index.php?'.http_build_query($qa).'Flip/a'; Hi Tamara, Thanks for the tips. Do you see any advantage of this method over using a small POST form besides the styling problems I'll run into trying to make the submit button look like an achor? The main advantage I see is that you're application doesn't have to become bi-modal, with looking for variables on both the query string and in the post data, then deciding which to use. All browsers send the Accept-Language header from the users locale settings, like: Accept-Language:en-GB,en-US;q=0.8,en;q=0.6 So all you need to do, is take a look at $_SERVER['HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE'] to get a users language preferences. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Dušan Novaković wrote: Hello there, I have to make chat for website that has around 10 000 users (small social network). So before I start, I would like to hear different opinions. Important thing is to have in mind that in one moment you can have over 1 000 users using chat. So, if you have time fill free to write you experience in this field, suggestions, etc. (1) flash w/ xmpp server (2) outsource to a chat server company (3) node.js serverside w/ web workers (4) avoid ajax, php and long poll if you want a server left at the end of the exercise. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 16:41, Hansen, Mike mike.han...@atmel.com wrote: I really like the idea of using a templating engine. Which one do you use? Why? For those that don't use templating engines, why don't you use them? I chose to write two of my own over the years: one procedural, one OOP. That said, the most common is likely still to be Smarty, and by far. I went back to using a pre hypertext processor, seemed like a really powerful templating engine that was v familiar to use :p ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 20:59, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: I went back to using a pre hypertext processor, seemed like a really powerful templating engine that was v familiar to use :p Pre-hypertext preprocessor? Perl? -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/ ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 20:59, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote: I went back to using a pre hypertext processor, seemed like a really powerful templating engine that was v familiar to use :p Pre-hypertext preprocessor? Perl? Pre Hypertext Processor - the acronym sounds familiar :-) Cheers -- David Robley Coming Soon!! Mouse Support for Edlin!! Today is Setting Orange, the 23rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3176. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On 10-11-11 02:20 AM, David Robley wrote: Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 20:59, Nathan Rixhamnrix...@gmail.com wrote: I went back to using a pre hypertext processor, seemed like a really powerful templating engine that was v familiar to use :p Pre-hypertext preprocessor? Perl? Pre Hypertext Processor - the acronym sounds familiar :-) I think I saw something about that on someone's Personal Home Page! Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is
php-general Digest 11 Nov 2010 22:02:45 -0000 Issue 7033
php-general Digest 11 Nov 2010 22:02:45 - Issue 7033
Topics (messages 309443 through 309459):
Re: How do I convert the string E_ALL ~E_NOTICE to the decimal equivalent
6135?
309443 by: Ford, Mike
Re: parse_ini_file() seems to be broken in PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12
309444 by: Tamara Temple
309445 by: Thijs Lensselink
Re: php running as module or cgi?
309446 by: Richard Quadling
309447 by: Richard Quadling
309454 by: Didier Gasser-Morlay
Re: Template engines
309448 by: Robert Cummings
309451 by: Daniel P. Brown
309452 by: Michael Shadle
309455 by: D. Dante Lorenso
309458 by: Bob McConnell
Re: Updating a GET variable
309449 by: Marc Guay
309450 by: Nathan Rixham
use of ini vs include file for configuration
309453 by: Tamara Temple
309456 by: João Cândido de Souza Neto
309457 by: Ashley Sheridan
309459 by: shiplu
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We're trying to move all of our configuration files for our
DEV/TEST/PROD
and various python scripts and such that all need the same DB
connection
parameters and pathing information to a common and simple config.ini
file
they all can share across languages.
One snag I ran into is this:
[dart]
relative_url = /dart2
absolute_path = /home/www/dart2
log_level = E_ALL ~E_NOTICE
But when I read it in from the file, it's a string (of course)
That's odd -- parse_ini_file() should definitely translate those constants!
It certainly works on my v5.2.5 installation.
Cheers!
Mike
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On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote:
http://php.net/manual/en/function.parse-ini-file.php
Why doesn't PHP parse the 'null', 'true', 'false', etc into their
proper
equivalents? What's worse is that it does this mangling of my RAW
values to
be strings and sets them to 1 !!! WTF good does that do me?!
Here is my test.ini file:
---
---
[examples] ; this is a section
; this is a comment line
log_level = E_ALL ~E_NOTICE
1 = intkey ; this is a int key
nullvalue = null; this is NULL
truebool = true ; this is boolean (TRUE)
falsebool = false ; this is boolean (FALSE)
intvalue = -1 ; this is a integer (-1)
floatvalue = +1.4E-3; this is a float (0.0014)
stringvalue = Hello World ; this is a unquoted
string
quoted = Hello World ; this is a quoted string
apostrophed = 'Hello World' ; this is a apostrophed
string
quoted escaped = it work's \fine\! ; this is a quoted
string with
escaped quotes
apostrophed escaped = 'it work\'s fine!' ; this is a apostrophed
string
with escaped apostrophes
---
---
Here is my test.php page:
---
---
?php
var_dump(parse_ini_file('./test.ini', true));
?
---
---
Here is the output:
---
---
array
'examples' =
array
'log_level' = string '6135' (length=4)
1 = string 'intkey' (length=6)
'nullvalue' = string '' (length=0)
'truebool' = string '1' (length=1)
'falsebool' = string '' (length=0)
'intvalue' = string '-1' (length=2)
'floatvalue' = string '+1.4E-3' (length=7)
'stringvalue' = string 'Hello World' (length=11)
'quoted' = string 'Hello World' (length=11)
'apostrophed' = string ''Hello World'' (length=13)
'quoted escaped' = string 'it work's \fine\!' (length=17)
'apostrophed escaped' =
RE: [PHP] How do I convert the string E_ALL ~E_NOTICE to the decimal equivalent 6135?
-Original Message- From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:dae...@daevid.com] Sent: 11 November 2010 04:06 To: php-general@lists.php.net We're trying to move all of our configuration files for our DEV/TEST/PROD and various python scripts and such that all need the same DB connection parameters and pathing information to a common and simple config.ini file they all can share across languages. One snag I ran into is this: [dart] relative_url = /dart2 absolute_path = /home/www/dart2 log_level = E_ALL ~E_NOTICE But when I read it in from the file, it's a string (of course) That's odd -- parse_ini_file() should definitely translate those constants! It certainly works on my v5.2.5 installation. Cheers! Mike -- Mike Ford, Electronic Information Developer, Libraries and Learning Innovation, Leeds Metropolitan University, C507 City Campus, Woodhouse Lane, LEEDS, LS1 3HE, United Kingdom Email: m.f...@leedsmet.ac.uk Tel: +44 113 812 4730 To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] parse_ini_file() seems to be broken in PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12
On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote:
http://php.net/manual/en/function.parse-ini-file.php
Why doesn't PHP parse the 'null', 'true', 'false', etc into their
proper
equivalents? What's worse is that it does this mangling of my RAW
values to
be strings and sets them to 1 !!! WTF good does that do me?!
Here is my test.ini file:
---
---
[examples] ; this is a section
; this is a comment line
log_level = E_ALL ~E_NOTICE
1 = intkey ; this is a int key
nullvalue = null; this is NULL
truebool = true ; this is boolean (TRUE)
falsebool = false ; this is boolean (FALSE)
intvalue = -1 ; this is a integer (-1)
floatvalue = +1.4E-3; this is a float (0.0014)
stringvalue = Hello World ; this is a unquoted
string
quoted = Hello World ; this is a quoted string
apostrophed = 'Hello World' ; this is a apostrophed
string
quoted escaped = it work's \fine\! ; this is a quoted
string with
escaped quotes
apostrophed escaped = 'it work\'s fine!' ; this is a apostrophed
string
with escaped apostrophes
---
---
Here is my test.php page:
---
---
?php
var_dump(parse_ini_file('./test.ini', true));
?
---
---
Here is the output:
---
---
array
'examples' =
array
'log_level' = string '6135' (length=4)
1 = string 'intkey' (length=6)
'nullvalue' = string '' (length=0)
'truebool' = string '1' (length=1)
'falsebool' = string '' (length=0)
'intvalue' = string '-1' (length=2)
'floatvalue' = string '+1.4E-3' (length=7)
'stringvalue' = string 'Hello World' (length=11)
'quoted' = string 'Hello World' (length=11)
'apostrophed' = string ''Hello World'' (length=13)
'quoted escaped' = string 'it work's \fine\!' (length=17)
'apostrophed escaped' = string ''it work\'sfine' (length=15)
---
---
develo...@mypse:~$ php -v
PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Sep
20 2010
13:18:10)
Copyright (c) 1997-2007 The PHP Group
Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2007 Zend Technologies
with Xdebug v2.0.5, Copyright (c) 2002-2008, by Derick Rethans
Maybe I'm missing something, but i thought that's what the constants
evaluated to
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Re: [PHP] Template engines
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Robert Cummings wrote: On 10-11-11 02:20 AM, David Robley wrote: Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 20:59, Nathan Rixhamnrix...@gmail.com wrote: I went back to using a pre hypertext processor, seemed like a really powerful templating engine that was v familiar to use :p Pre-hypertext preprocessor? Perl? Pre Hypertext Processor - the acronym sounds familiar :-) I think I saw something about that on someone's Personal Home Page! Cheers, Rob. Perchance they were talking about a Form Interpreter ? Cheers -- David Robley Here's someone who can't speak! exclaimed Tom dumbfoundedly. Today is Setting Orange, the 23rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3176. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] parse_ini_file() seems to be broken in PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:08:01 -0800, Daevid Vincent
dae...@daevid.com wrote:
http://php.net/manual/en/function.parse-ini-file.php
Why doesn't PHP parse the 'null', 'true', 'false', etc into their
proper
equivalents? What's worse is that it does this mangling of my RAW
values to
be strings and sets them to 1 !!! WTF good does that do me?!
Here is my test.ini file:
---
---
[examples] ; this is a section
; this is a comment line
log_level = E_ALL ~E_NOTICE
1 = intkey ; this is a int key
nullvalue = null; this is NULL
truebool = true ; this is boolean (TRUE)
falsebool = false ; this is boolean (FALSE)
intvalue = -1 ; this is a integer (-1)
floatvalue = +1.4E-3; this is a float
(0.0014)
stringvalue = Hello World ; this is a unquoted
string
quoted = Hello World ; this is a quoted string
apostrophed = 'Hello World' ; this is a apostrophed
string
quoted escaped = it work's \fine\! ; this is a quoted string
with
escaped quotes
apostrophed escaped = 'it work\'s fine!' ; this is a apostrophed
string
with escaped apostrophes
---
---
Here is my test.php page:
---
---
?php
var_dump(parse_ini_file('./test.ini', true));
?
---
---
Here is the output:
---
---
array
'examples' =
array
'log_level' = string '6135' (length=4)
1 = string 'intkey' (length=6)
'nullvalue' = string '' (length=0)
'truebool' = string '1' (length=1)
'falsebool' = string '' (length=0)
'intvalue' = string '-1' (length=2)
'floatvalue' = string '+1.4E-3' (length=7)
'stringvalue' = string 'Hello World' (length=11)
'quoted' = string 'Hello World' (length=11)
'apostrophed' = string ''Hello World'' (length=13)
'quoted escaped' = string 'it work's \fine\!' (length=17)
'apostrophed escaped' = string ''it work\'sfine' (length=15)
---
---
Use the third parameter so the orignal values wil not get converted
(still strings though)
Besides that are you sure there are no whitespaces behind the ini
values?
var_dump(
parse_ini_file('./foo.ini', true, INI_SCANNER_RAW)
);
array(1) {
[examples]=
array(11) {
[1]=
string(40) intkey
[nullvalue]=
string(32) null
[truebool]=
string(33) TRUE
[falsebool]=
string(32) false
[intvalue]=
string(33) -1
[floatvalue]=
string(31) +1.4E-3
[stringvalue]=
string(30) Hello World
[quoted]=
string(35) Hello World
[apostrophed]=
string(30) 'Hello World'
[quoted escaped]=
string(27) it work's \fine\!
[apostrophed escaped]=
string(22) 'it work\'s fine!'
}
}
develo...@mypse:~$ php -v
PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Sep 20
2010
13:18:10)
Copyright (c) 1997-2007 The PHP Group
Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2007 Zend Technologies
with Xdebug v2.0.5, Copyright (c) 2002-2008, by Derick Rethans
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Re: [PHP] php running as module or cgi?
On 11 November 2010 00:46, Al n...@ridersite.org wrote: Briefly, what are the trade offs on a typical shared host? I've done a little research and can't seem to find anything outstanding either way. Seems like as an Apache module is faster. This argument makes sense. CGI is more secure, this argument doesn't seem too persuasive to me. Maybe I'm missing something. Thanks I used to run PHP in ISAPI (on Windows with Sambar Server). Probably the 1 big thing at the time was database connection persistence. But that was a LONG time ago. Everything is a LOT faster and now I use IIS+FastCGI+PHP and I no longer use DB connection persistence as there were issues when accessing multiple databases using the dbselect style functions. I don't know if Apache supports fast cgi (I'd be surprised if it didn't). But in a security vs speed contest, security should always win. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php running as module or cgi?
On 11 November 2010 00:46, Al n...@ridersite.org wrote: Briefly, what are the trade offs on a typical shared host? I've done a little research and can't seem to find anything outstanding either way. Seems like as an Apache module is faster. This argument makes sense. CGI is more secure, this argument doesn't seem too persuasive to me. Maybe I'm missing something. Thanks As a module, any misbehaving script is running within the same space as all the other scripts. If a script is able to knock out PHP (for any reason), all the script go. With CGI, they are run in separate spaces. No direct communication (unless the scripts are sharing memory by some way). If a script knocks out PHP, that script dies. Everything else keeps on going. The main downside to CGI (as I understand things), is that for each invocation of the script, PHP has to do the complete build up and tear down every single time. For every single script. With FastCGI, when the server starts, a pool of ready to go php instances are created. So a script is called, the build up part is already done. In terms of speed, I'd guess you'd have to be working pretty hard to see the difference between module/isapi and fast-cgi. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Template engines
On 10-11-11 03:49 AM, David Robley wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Robert Cummings wrote: On 10-11-11 02:20 AM, David Robley wrote: Daniel P. Brown wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 20:59, Nathan Rixhamnrix...@gmail.com wrote: I went back to using a pre hypertext processor, seemed like a really powerful templating engine that was v familiar to use :p Pre-hypertext preprocessor? Perl? Pre Hypertext Processor - the acronym sounds familiar :-) I think I saw something about that on someone's Personal Home Page! Cheers, Rob. Perchance they were talking about a Form Interpreter ? Yeah, that and some Gateway with a Common Interface. Cheers, Rob. -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Updating a GET variable
So all you need to do, is take a look at $_SERVER['HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE'] to get a users language preferences. Hi Nathan, Yep, I'm using this var to set the default but I think it's nice to allow the user to override it. Maybe someone using their computer is more comfortable in a different language? Marc -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Updating a GET variable
Marc Guay wrote: So all you need to do, is take a look at $_SERVER['HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE'] to get a users language preferences. Hi Nathan, Yep, I'm using this var to set the default but I think it's nice to allow the user to override it. Maybe someone using their computer is more comfortable in a different language? So then surely that would be their default language? However, there is of course the case where somebody wants to see both english and german variations of the same page, so probabyl a good use-case after all - session to the rescue! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Template engines
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:51, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: Yeah, that and some Gateway with a Common Interface. My point was that there is now and never was any such PHP project known as pre-hypertext preprocessor. It originated as Personal Home Page Tools (PHP Tools) and Forms Interpreter (FI) --- the former was a series of C binaries, the latter was a CGI wrapper that actually preprocessed straight HTML by hopping in and out of !--HTML Comments-- using SSI. For a short while, if memory serves me correctly, a version of the package was also named Personal Home Page Construction Kit. Eventually the packages merged into PHP/FI, and a rewrite was done sometime during 1997, I believe, which became PHP/FI 2.0. I first started using it back in 1996 for quick and simple tasks where Perl would be a bit overkill. The part I can't remember clearly is whether PHP/FI2 was done in 1996 or 1997, though, because I do remember it was the fall of 1997 when PHP3 came out, and it blew me away. It sucked a bit having to now learn how to use the new PHP to build a page, but damned if it wasn't a trillion times easier to work with than Perl, right from the get-go. I remember being excited by the fact that I could rewrite a simple flat-file database Perl program I originally wrote in about three days in under two hours with PHP. From that point on, I was hooked on it, despite its quirky recursive-acronym name --- PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor. So when I asked if pre-hypertext preprocessor meant Perl, it could well have been Python, C/C++ on SSI, Tcl/Tk, or anything anything, that is, that came pre- PHP. That said, I have seen references to PHP being named Pre-Hypertext Preprocessor, but that would be incorrect anyway. The HTML (HyperText Markup Language) could be preprocessed, so that much is fine but pre-hypertext would be truly amusing. Any request to a web page is presently made via HTTP (HyperText Transfer Protocol), and any text displayed on any electronic device with embedded references (also known as hyperlinks). So any language that could pre-process pre-hypertext would either have the unique ability to foresee the future, the mundane ability to pre-process plain text (or request headers or anything prior to the data being classified as hypertext), or the disconcerting ability to modify reality as we know it. And why bother to do that when you could just %= go elsewhere. %? ;-P (It's felt like Friday all day.) -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Template engines
Not to discredit this long post but the media here is now calling kids who text often hypertexting teens which really irked me even more... I bet some non-technical news guy thinks he is awesome for coming up with that one. On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:51, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: Yeah, that and some Gateway with a Common Interface. My point was that there is now and never was any such PHP project known as pre-hypertext preprocessor. It originated as Personal Home Page Tools (PHP Tools) and Forms Interpreter (FI) --- the former was a series of C binaries, the latter was a CGI wrapper that actually preprocessed straight HTML by hopping in and out of !--HTML Comments-- using SSI. For a short while, if memory serves me correctly, a version of the package was also named Personal Home Page Construction Kit. Eventually the packages merged into PHP/FI, and a rewrite was done sometime during 1997, I believe, which became PHP/FI 2.0. I first started using it back in 1996 for quick and simple tasks where Perl would be a bit overkill. The part I can't remember clearly is whether PHP/FI2 was done in 1996 or 1997, though, because I do remember it was the fall of 1997 when PHP3 came out, and it blew me away. It sucked a bit having to now learn how to use the new PHP to build a page, but damned if it wasn't a trillion times easier to work with than Perl, right from the get-go. I remember being excited by the fact that I could rewrite a simple flat-file database Perl program I originally wrote in about three days in under two hours with PHP. From that point on, I was hooked on it, despite its quirky recursive-acronym name --- PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor. So when I asked if pre-hypertext preprocessor meant Perl, it could well have been Python, C/C++ on SSI, Tcl/Tk, or anything anything, that is, that came pre- PHP. That said, I have seen references to PHP being named Pre-Hypertext Preprocessor, but that would be incorrect anyway. The HTML (HyperText Markup Language) could be preprocessed, so that much is fine but pre-hypertext would be truly amusing. Any request to a web page is presently made via HTTP (HyperText Transfer Protocol), and any text displayed on any electronic device with embedded references (also known as hyperlinks). So any language that could pre-process pre-hypertext would either have the unique ability to foresee the future, the mundane ability to pre-process plain text (or request headers or anything prior to the data being classified as hypertext), or the disconcerting ability to modify reality as we know it. And why bother to do that when you could just %= go elsewhere. %? ;-P (It's felt like Friday all day.) -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] use of ini vs include file for configuration
I'm curious what the lists' opinions are regarding the use of an .ini file versus an include configuration file in PHP code are? I can see uses for either (or both). To me, it seems that an .ini file would be ideal in the case where you want to allow a simpler interface for people installing your app to configure things that need configuring, and an included PHP code configuration file for things you don't necessarily want the average installer to change. What do you think? Tamara -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php running as module or cgi?
On 11/11/2010 12:04 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 11 November 2010 00:46, Aln...@ridersite.org wrote: Briefly, what are the trade offs on a typical shared host? I've done a little research and can't seem to find anything outstanding either way. Seems like as an Apache module is faster. This argument makes sense. CGI is more secure, this argument doesn't seem too persuasive to me. Maybe I'm missing something. Thanks As a module, any misbehaving script is running within the same space as all the other scripts. If a script is able to knock out PHP (for any reason), all the script go. With CGI, they are run in separate spaces. No direct communication (unless the scripts are sharing memory by some way). If a script knocks out PHP, that script dies. Everything else keeps on going. The main downside to CGI (as I understand things), is that for each invocation of the script, PHP has to do the complete build up and tear down every single time. For every single script. With FastCGI, when the server starts, a pool of ready to go php instances are created. So a script is called, the build up part is already done. In terms of speed, I'd guess you'd have to be working pretty hard to see the difference between module/isapi and fast-cgi. If I am not mistaken, An apache module can even bring down the whole web server if it really misbehaves. So this leaves the choice between CGI FatsCGI. CGI setup/teardown is only an issue for site with a fairly high traffic. It really depends on the type of site you intend to build. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Template engines
On 11/11/10 12:04 PM, Michael Shadle wrote: Not to discredit this long post but the media here is now calling kids who text often hypertexting teens which really irked me even more...I bet some non-technical news guy thinks he is awesome for coming up with that one. LOL! I too thought those kids were going around creating HTML pages with their phones! -- Dante -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: use of ini vs include file for configuration
Agreed. -- João Cândido de Souza Neto Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com escreveu na mensagem news:977f087c-bb11--b851-21616ae9e...@gmail.com... I'm curious what the lists' opinions are regarding the use of an .ini file versus an include configuration file in PHP code are? I can see uses for either (or both). To me, it seems that an .ini file would be ideal in the case where you want to allow a simpler interface for people installing your app to configure things that need configuring, and an included PHP code configuration file for things you don't necessarily want the average installer to change. What do you think? Tamara -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: use of ini vs include file for configuration
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 17:16 -0200, Jo?o C?ndido de Souza Neto wrote: Agreed. -- Joo Cndido de Souza Neto Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com escreveu na mensagem news:977f087c-bb11--b851-21616ae9e...@gmail.com... I'm curious what the lists' opinions are regarding the use of an .ini file versus an include configuration file in PHP code are? I can see uses for either (or both). To me, it seems that an .ini file would be ideal in the case where you want to allow a simpler interface for people installing your app to configure things that need configuring, and an included PHP code configuration file for things you don't necessarily want the average installer to change. What do you think? Tamara There are potential security concerns involved too. An .ini file will be output as plain text by default by the web server if requested by a user agent unless it is protected somehow (by a .htaccess file for example) or it is outside of document root for the server. A PHP file on the other hand will be parsed, so won't output it's variables. It's all too easy to forget to protect an ini file from this sort of thing, whereas if you've written a website in PHP, it becomes fairly evident if your web server isn't configured for PHP without testing specifically for it! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
RE: [PHP] Template engines
From: Daniel P. Brown On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:51, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: Yeah, that and some Gateway with a Common Interface. So any language that could pre-process pre-hypertext would either have the unique ability to foresee the future, the mundane ability to pre-process plain text (or request headers or anything prior to the data being classified as hypertext), or the disconcerting ability to modify reality as we know it. And why bother to do that when you could just %= go elsewhere. %? ;-P One of the items at the top of our wish list for over two decades has been a pre-causal response generator. Processing time for transactions on point of sale systems has always been an issue for us, so we wanted to have the response message ready before the transaction arrived. The next item on that list is a neural interface specifically designed for developers. Unfortunately, neither of those technologies has materialized. (It's felt like Friday all day.) It still feels like Monday here. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: use of ini vs include file for configuration
For configuration, I used to use .php file earlier. I just used array syntax to keep the config values. But now I use json syntax. Its easy like xml. Ini file is much more user friendly than json though. -- Shiplu Mokadd.im My talks, http://talk.cmyweb.net Follow me, http://twitter.com/shiplu Innovation distinguishes bet ... ... (ask Steve Jobs the rest)
RE: [PHP] parse_ini_file() seems to be broken in PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12
-Original Message-
From: Tamara Temple [mailto:tamouse.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:09 AM
To: Daevid Vincent
Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] parse_ini_file() seems to be broken in PHP
5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12
On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote:
http://php.net/manual/en/function.parse-ini-file.php
Why doesn't PHP parse the 'null', 'true', 'false', etc into their
proper
equivalents? What's worse is that it does this mangling of my RAW
values to
be strings and sets them to 1 !!! WTF good does that do me?!
Here is my test.ini file:
--
-
---
[examples] ; this is a section
; this is a comment line
log_level = E_ALL ~E_NOTICE
1 = intkey ; this is a int key
nullvalue = null; this is NULL
truebool = true ; this is boolean (TRUE)
falsebool = false ; this is
boolean (FALSE)
intvalue = -1 ; this is a integer (-1)
floatvalue = +1.4E-3; this is a
float (0.0014)
stringvalue = Hello World ; this is a unquoted
string
quoted = Hello World ; this is a
quoted string
apostrophed = 'Hello World' ; this is a
apostrophed
string
quoted escaped = it work's \fine\! ; this is a quoted
string with
escaped quotes
apostrophed escaped = 'it work\'s fine!' ; this is a
apostrophed
string
with escaped apostrophes
--
-
---
Here is my test.php page:
--
-
---
?php
var_dump(parse_ini_file('./test.ini', true));
?
--
-
---
Here is the output:
--
-
---
array
'examples' =
array
'log_level' = string '6135' (length=4)
1 = string 'intkey' (length=6)
'nullvalue' = string '' (length=0)
'truebool' = string '1' (length=1)
'falsebool' = string '' (length=0)
'intvalue' = string '-1' (length=2)
'floatvalue' = string '+1.4E-3' (length=7)
'stringvalue' = string 'Hello World' (length=11)
'quoted' = string 'Hello World' (length=11)
'apostrophed' = string ''Hello World'' (length=13)
'quoted escaped' = string 'it work's \fine\!' (length=17)
'apostrophed escaped' = string ''it work\'sfine' (length=15)
--
-
---
develo...@mypse:~$ php -v
PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Sep
20 2010
13:18:10)
Copyright (c) 1997-2007 The PHP Group
Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2007 Zend Technologies
with Xdebug v2.0.5, Copyright (c) 2002-2008, by Derick Rethans
Maybe I'm missing something, but i thought that's what the constants
evaluated to
In a sloppy way that is accurate, but not sufficient for my needs.
If ($nullvalue)
If ($truebool) ...
But to be more accurate,
$nullvalue != is_null($nullvalue)
$truebool != is_bool($truebool)
$truebool !== TRUE
Etc...
There are subtle but significant differences
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RE: [PHP] use of ini vs include file for configuration
-Original Message- From: Tamara Temple [mailto:tamouse.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:04 AM To: PHP General Subject: [PHP] use of ini vs include file for configuration I'm curious what the lists' opinions are regarding the use of an .ini file versus an include configuration file in PHP code are? I can see uses for either (or both). To me, it seems that an .ini file would be ideal in the case where you want to allow a simpler interface for people installing your app to configure things that need configuring, and an included PHP code configuration file for things you don't necessarily want the average installer to change. What do you think? Tamara We used config.inc.php for the past few years, but as our project is grown and we have several other departments developing portions in several different languages (not JUST PHP) but all wanting to share resources such as database connection information, pathing, email addresses (for error reporting, notifications, etc.), memcache servers, etc. using a PHP file is not an option. It can be a shim however and that's what I've done over the past few days is to parse the .ini and populate the same config.inc.php file with said values so that all the code continues to work. Plus it allows for easy populating in a programatic way if you name your variables right and organize things. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: use of ini vs include file for configuration
-Original Message- From: Ashley Sheridan [mailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:46 AM To: Jo?o C?ndido de Souza Neto Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: use of ini vs include file for configuration On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 17:16 -0200, Jo?o C?ndido de Souza Neto wrote: Agreed. -- Joo Cndido de Souza Neto Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com escreveu na mensagem news:977f087c-bb11--b851-21616ae9e...@gmail.com... I'm curious what the lists' opinions are regarding the use of an .ini file versus an include configuration file in PHP code are? I can see uses for either (or both). To me, it seems that an .ini file would be ideal in the case where you want to allow a simpler interface for people installing your app to configure things that need configuring, and an included PHP code configuration file for things you don't necessarily want the average installer to change. What do you think? Tamara There are potential security concerns involved too. An .ini file will be output as plain text by default by the web server if requested by a user agent unless it is protected somehow (by a .htaccess file for example) or it is outside of document root for the server. A PHP file on the other hand will be parsed, so won't output it's variables. It's all too easy to forget to protect an ini file from this sort of thing, whereas if you've written a website in PHP, it becomes fairly evident if your web server isn't configured for PHP without testing specifically for it! Why would you put your configuration file in a ../htdocs folder? That's just poor design. Just as your classes and include files are OUTSIDE your document root, so must your config file be. Plus it's trivial to secure a .ini with a .htaccess or other apache method. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Open Source PHP/ mySQL Project Management
Hi gang, I am looking into Project Management apps for my projects. Any suggestions: I am interested in tracking Projects, Milestones, Tickets, Files, Discussions, Documents, Time Tracking, etc... Also, would like to have the system have robust email integration Reminders, Email Ticket echos (where a user can reply it will post back into the PM system and echo back email to assigned users - with file attachments) Suggestions? Thanks! Don -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] How do I convert the string E_ALL ~E_NOTICE to the decimal equivalent 6135?
-Original Message- From: Ford, Mike [mailto:m.f...@leedsmet.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:58 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] How do I convert the string E_ALL ~E_NOTICE to the decimal equivalent 6135? -Original Message- From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:dae...@daevid.com] Sent: 11 November 2010 04:06 To: php-general@lists.php.net We're trying to move all of our configuration files for our DEV/TEST/PROD and various python scripts and such that all need the same DB connection parameters and pathing information to a common and simple config.ini file they all can share across languages. One snag I ran into is this: [dart] relative_url= /dart2 absolute_path = /home/www/dart2 log_level = E_ALL ~E_NOTICE But when I read it in from the file, it's a string (of course) That's odd -- parse_ini_file() should definitely translate those constants! It certainly works on my v5.2.5 installation. Cheers! Mike You assume I'm using that busted-ass parse_ini_file() function. ;-) See previous emails as to why that's a useless option for me. I wrote a much better parser which I'll post in another email. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Open Source PHP/ mySQL Project Management
Hello Don, I would suggest Trac. It is written in Python, however I haven't seen anything better for a while. -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion - Original message - From: Don Wieland d...@dwdataconcepts.com To: php-general@lists.php.net php-general@lists.php.net Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 12:23:11 AM Subject: [PHP] Open Source PHP/ mySQL Project Management Hi gang, I am looking into Project Management apps for my projects. Any suggestions: I am interested in tracking Projects, Milestones, Tickets, Files, Discussions, Documents, Time Tracking, etc... Also, would like to have the system have robust email integration Reminders, Email Ticket echos (where a user can reply it will post back into the PM system and echo back email to assigned users - with file attachments) Suggestions? Thanks! Don -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] RE: a better ini parser WAS: parse_ini_file() seems to be broken in PHP 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12
Since the default ini parser is pretty much useless because it doesn't
convert null/true/false values, nor convert integers/numbers, nor handle
all the ; comment styles (inline for example), nor trim extra white space,
and the list goes on and on...
I wrote a better one -- here's the first stab at it. I'm sure I'll improve
it as needed, but you're free to use as you like and hopefully it will save
someone else the pain and wasted effort on parse_ini_file():
?php
/**
* INI file parser
*
* @author Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com
* @dateCreated: 2010-11-09
*/
class IniParser
{
private $file;
public $ini_array;
/**
* Constructor and acts as a singleton for the same $file
*
* @access public
* @return object
* @paramstring $file the .ini file to load with full path
* @paramboolean $process_sections (true) return a
multi-hash broken down by sections
* @paramboolean $explode (false) split . keys into
sub-array elements
* @author Daevid Vincent [dae...@daevid.com]
* @date 2010-11-09
*/
function __construct($file, $process_sections=true, $explode=false)
{
if ($_SESSION['INI_PARSER'][$file])
{
//echo using pre-made versionbr;
return $_SESSION['INI_PARSER'][$file];
}
$this-file = $file;
//[dv] okay so parse_ini_file() is basically a USELESS POS
// not only does it NOT convert true/false/null to
proper equivalents, but it mangles the values to be 1(strings)
// verified with 5.2.4 to 5.3.3, so not much hope
for using this function natively
//$this-ini_array =
parse_ini_file($file,$process_sections);
$this-ini_array = $this-read_ini_file($file);
$this-transpose_ini();
if ($explode) $this-explode_ini();
//TODO: handle the 'embrace extend' functionality that Zend
Framework provides with the [section : section] format
//echo using new versionbr;
$_SESSION['INI_PARSER'][$file] = $this;
return $this;
}
private function read_ini_file($file)
{
$handle = @fopen($file, r);
if (!$handle) throw new Exception('Cannot open INI file
'.$file);
$contents = @fread($handle, filesize($file));
if (!$contents) throw new Exception('Cannot read INI file
'.$file);
$section = '';
$contents = split(\n, trim($contents));
foreach ($contents as $k = $line)
{
$line = trim($line);
if (!$line) continue;
if (in_array($line[0], array(';','#'))) continue;
if ($line[0] == [)
{
preg_match('/\[(.*)\]/', $line, $pmatches);
$section = $pmatches[1];
}
else
{
$keyval = explode('=', $line);
$tmp = explode(';',$keyval[1]);
$mykey = trim($keyval[0]);
$myval = trim($tmp[0]);
if (substr($mykey, -2) == '[]') //check for arrays
$ini_file[$section][substr($mykey, 0, -2)][] =
$myval;
else
$ini_file[$section][$mykey] = $myval;
}
}
@fclose($handle);
return $ini_file;
}
private function transpose_ini()
{
foreach($this-ini_array as $heading = $key_vals)
{
foreach ($key_vals as $k = $v)
{
//echo $k = $vbr\n;
if (is_numeric($v))
{
$i = intval($v);
if ($i == $v) $v = $i;
}
else
switch (strtolower($v))
{
case 'true': $v = true; break;
case 'false': $v = false; break;
case 'null': $v = null; break;
}
}
}
}
/*
* not used currently, but took a while to get this working so keep
for future reference/use
public function explode_ini()
{
$ini_array = array();
foreach($this-ini_array as $heading = $key_vals)
{
foreach ($key_vals as $k = $v)
{
$path =
RE: [PHP] Re: use of ini vs include file for configuration
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 14:21 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote: -Original Message- From: Ashley Sheridan [mailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:46 AM To: Jo?o C?ndido de Souza Neto Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: use of ini vs include file for configuration On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 17:16 -0200, Jo?o C?ndido de Souza Neto wrote: Agreed. -- Joo Cndido de Souza Neto Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com escreveu na mensagem news:977f087c-bb11--b851-21616ae9e...@gmail.com... I'm curious what the lists' opinions are regarding the use of an .ini file versus an include configuration file in PHP code are? I can see uses for either (or both). To me, it seems that an .ini file would be ideal in the case where you want to allow a simpler interface for people installing your app to configure things that need configuring, and an included PHP code configuration file for things you don't necessarily want the average installer to change. What do you think? Tamara There are potential security concerns involved too. An .ini file will be output as plain text by default by the web server if requested by a user agent unless it is protected somehow (by a .htaccess file for example) or it is outside of document root for the server. A PHP file on the other hand will be parsed, so won't output it's variables. It's all too easy to forget to protect an ini file from this sort of thing, whereas if you've written a website in PHP, it becomes fairly evident if your web server isn't configured for PHP without testing specifically for it! Why would you put your configuration file in a ../htdocs folder? That's just poor design. Just as your classes and include files are OUTSIDE your document root, so must your config file be. Plus it's trivial to secure a .ini with a .htaccess or other apache method. Tell that to the developers of all the big names out there, phpMyAdmin, phpBB, CodeIgniter, et al. All of them, for ease of use, put all the config files in the htdocs directory by default, presumably so that they don't lock out those people who can only get hosting that does not allow much more than basic configuration. It might be poor design, but it's just the way things are, and if you're working with such hosting, it's worth bearing in mind what your options are. I did mention specifically about putting the config files outside of document root, but that's not always possible in every case. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Open Source PHP/ mySQL Project Management
Hi, I don't know if it meets all of the features you enumerated but Mantis (http://www.mantisbt.org/) is very good, and it is PHP+MySQL (or Postgres, or MSSQL). Jonathan On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Don Wieland d...@dwdataconcepts.com wrote: Hi gang, I am looking into Project Management apps for my projects. Any suggestions: I am interested in tracking Projects, Milestones, Tickets, Files, Discussions, Documents, Time Tracking, etc... Also, would like to have the system have robust email integration Reminders, Email Ticket echos (where a user can reply it will post back into the PM system and echo back email to assigned users - with file attachments) Suggestions? Thanks! Don -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re[2]: [PHP] Open Source PHP/ mySQL Project Management
Hello Jonathan, I tried to use Mantis, however it didn't send e-mails properly so I gave up. -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion - Original message - From: Jonathan Tapicer tapi...@gmail.com To: Don Wieland d...@dwdataconcepts.com Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 3:00:32 AM Subject: [PHP] Open Source PHP/ mySQL Project Management Hi, I don't know if it meets all of the features you enumerated but Mantis (http://www.mantisbt.org/) is very good, and it is PHP+MySQL (or Postgres, or MSSQL). Jonathan On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Don Wieland d...@dwdataconcepts.com wrote: Hi gang, I am looking into Project Management apps for my projects. Any suggestions: I am interested in tracking Projects, Milestones, Tickets, Files, Discussions, Documents, Time Tracking, etc... Also, would like to have the system have robust email integration Reminders, Email Ticket echos (where a user can reply it will post back into the PM system and echo back email to assigned users - with file attachments) Suggestions? Thanks! Don -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
