[PHP] Calling All Opinionated ******** ....
hi people, I'm in the market for a new framework/toolkit/whatever-you-want-to-call-it. I've been taking a good hard look at the Zend Framework - if nothing else the docs are very impressive. I'd like to hear from people who have or are using ZF with regard to their experiences, dislikes, likes, problems, new found fame and fortune, etc ... but only if it concerns ZF. I don't need to hear stuff like 'use XYZ it's great' - finding php frameworks/CMS/etc is easy ... figuring out which are best of breed is another matter, if only because it involves reading zillions of lines of code and documentation. besides I find that you only ever get bitten in the ass by short-comings and bugs when your 80% into the project that needs to be online yesterday and you knee deep in a nightmare requirements change or tackling some PITA performance issue. so people, roll out your ZF love stories and nightmares - spare no details - share the knowledge. or something :-) tia, Jochem -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Calling All Opinionated ******** ....
These things are all on the bleeding edge, and if I'm not mistaken, Zend may be one of the newest, no? Extrapolate (Bleeding Edge = painful development) Warren Vail -Original Message- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:18 PM To: [php] PHP General List Subject: [PHP] Calling All Opinionated hi people, I'm in the market for a new framework/toolkit/whatever-you-want-to-call- it. I've been taking a good hard look at the Zend Framework - if nothing else the docs are very impressive. I'd like to hear from people who have or are using ZF with regard to their experiences, dislikes, likes, problems, new found fame and fortune, etc ... but only if it concerns ZF. I don't need to hear stuff like 'use XYZ it's great' - finding php frameworks/CMS/etc is easy ... figuring out which are best of breed is another matter, if only because it involves reading zillions of lines of code and documentation. besides I find that you only ever get bitten in the ass by short-comings and bugs when your 80% into the project that needs to be online yesterday and you knee deep in a nightmare requirements change or tackling some PITA performance issue. so people, roll out your ZF love stories and nightmares - spare no details - share the knowledge. or something :-) tia, Jochem -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Calling All Opinionated ******** ....
On Feb 1, 2008 4:18 PM, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi people, I'm in the market for a new framework/toolkit/whatever-you-want-to-call-it. I've been taking a good hard look at the Zend Framework - if nothing else the docs are very impressive. I'd like to hear from people who have or are using ZF with regard to their experiences, dislikes, likes, problems, new found fame and fortune, etc ... but only if it concerns ZF. I don't need to hear stuff like 'use XYZ it's great' - finding php frameworks/CMS/etc is easy ... figuring out which are best of breed is another matter, if only because it involves reading zillions of lines of code and documentation. besides I find that you only ever get bitten in the ass by short-comings and bugs when your 80% into the project that needs to be online yesterday and you knee deep in a nightmare requirements change or tackling some PITA performance issue. so people, roll out your ZF love stories and nightmares - spare no details - share the knowledge. or something :-) tia, Jochem -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php So far I've only used the Zend_Mail functionality and it beats everything else I've tried as far as extensibility and performance are concerned. I've tried out several different packages and it just wins. The docs are great, it has unit tests on all parts of it, and there are lots of eyes looking over it, it's a no brainer! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Calling All Opinionated ******** ....
On 2/1/08, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the market for a new framework/toolkit/whatever-you-want-to-call-it. I've been taking a good hard look at the Zend Framework - if nothing else the docs are very impressive. I'd like to hear from people who have or are using ZF with regard to their experiences, dislikes, likes, problems, new found fame and fortune, etc ... but only if it concerns ZF. I don't need to hear stuff like 'use XYZ it's great' - finding php frameworks/CMS/etc is easy ... figuring out which are best of breed is another matter, if only because it involves reading zillions of lines of code and documentation. besides I find that you only ever get bitten in the ass by short-comings and bugs when your 80% into the project that needs to be online yesterday and you knee deep in a nightmare requirements change or tackling some PITA performance issue. so people, roll out your ZF love stories and nightmares - spare no details - share the knowledge. or something :-) Hilarious. I'm in the market for a new framework, but please only tell me about ZF because I don't want to spend my own time researching stuff for myself. Since when is learning something new a crime? Why are you even a programmer? ZF works fine if you don't mind all the bloated OO PHP. Use it or don't. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Calling All Opinionated ******** ....
My thoughts, exactly. I had to count to 10 to keep myself from replying to His Rudeness. -Original Message- From: Greg Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 5:17 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Calling All Opinionated On 2/1/08, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the market for a new framework/toolkit/whatever-you-want-to-call-it. I've been taking a good hard look at the Zend Framework - if nothing else the docs are very impressive. I'd like to hear from people who have or are using ZF with regard to their experiences, dislikes, likes, problems, new found fame and fortune, etc .. but only if it concerns ZF. I don't need to hear stuff like 'use XYZ it's great' - finding php frameworks/CMS/etc is easy ... figuring out which are best of breed is another matter, if only because it involves reading zillions of lines of code and documentation. besides I find that you only ever get bitten in the ass by short-comings and bugs when your 80% into the project that needs to be online yesterday and you knee deep in a nightmare requirements change or tackling some PITA performance issue. so people, roll out your ZF love stories and nightmares - spare no details - share the knowledge. or something :-) Hilarious. I'm in the market for a new framework, but please only tell me about ZF because I don't want to spend my own time researching stuff for myself. Since when is learning something new a crime? Why are you even a programmer? ZF works fine if you don't mind all the bloated OO PHP. Use it or don't. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Calling All Opinionated ******** ....
Greg Donald schreef: On 2/1/08, Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the market for a new framework/toolkit/whatever-you-want-to-call-it. I've been taking a good hard look at the Zend Framework - if nothing else the docs are very impressive. I'd like to hear from people who have or are using ZF with regard to their experiences, dislikes, likes, problems, new found fame and fortune, etc ... but only if it concerns ZF. I don't need to hear stuff like 'use XYZ it's great' - finding php frameworks/CMS/etc is easy ... figuring out which are best of breed is another matter, if only because it involves reading zillions of lines of code and documentation. besides I find that you only ever get bitten in the ass by short-comings and bugs when your 80% into the project that needs to be online yesterday and you knee deep in a nightmare requirements change or tackling some PITA performance issue. so people, roll out your ZF love stories and nightmares - spare no details - share the knowledge. or something :-) Hilarious. I'm in the market for a new framework, but please only tell me about ZF because I don't want to spend my own time researching stuff for myself. you need some glasses? I've just spent 4 hours reading ZF documentation and code ... today - I've played with it in the past but it was still beta at that time. I'm starting to take another look, but no ammount of playing with it or reading documentation will tell me if I'm going to have major regrets about choosing ZF for a large project when I'm 400 hours into it and stuck with a deadline and an impossible situation. funnily enough I'm not capable of researching inside someone else's head when it comes to *their opinion*, more specifically people who you are familiar with to soome degree, whereby you able to gauge to a better extent how relevant the opinion/experience offered is to one's own situation. Since when is learning something new a crime? and where do you go to learn someone else's opinion? Why are you even a programmer? something bothering you? got out of the wrong side of bed today? ZF works fine if you don't mind all the bloated OO PHP. Use it or don't. brilliant advice, you we're on better form yesterday my friend. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Calling All Opinionated ******** ....
On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 22:18 +0100, Jochem Maas wrote: I'd like to hear from people who have or are using ZF with regard to their experiences, dislikes, likes, problems, new found fame and fortune, etc ... but only if it concerns ZF. I have integrated a few ZF components into the Chisimba framework - search_lucene, Http_request, and a few others so far, and they are OK. I find some of the bits really slow, but solid, others perform well. My biggest gripe with ZF components is that the Exception handler Zend_Exception, is sometimes tricky to override with the native Chisimba customException handler (which produces pretty output as opposed to an ugly call stack, and logs the ugly things (user wise) to a log file). Sometimes it takes a few more minutes of time. Basically, I would say evaluate each component on its own merit. If you would like to use one, check the code and run some performance tests on it - sometimes you will be able to roll your own in less time and with simpler code. --Paul All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/public/portal_services/disclaimer.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
