Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
From: Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.commailto:tijn...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:59 PM To: a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukmailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukmailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk Cc: Jeff Gates gat...@si.edumailto:gat...@si.edu, php-general@lists.php.netmailto:php-general@lists.php.net php-general@lists.php.netmailto:php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukmailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 20:54 +0200, Matijn Woudt wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Gates, Jeff gat...@si.edumailto:gat...@si.edu wrote: Can anyone tell me what differences I might encounter by working with PHP on a Unix server verses working with PHP on a Windows server. We use Windows production servers here but many of us would like to get more LAMP environments. So, I'm wondering if I can use the hive mind here to get a sense of the pros and cons of each platform. Thanks. Jeff Apart from all other suggestions, one of the most common errors are because of different php.ini settings. If you can keep those settings (mostly) equal, there will not be that many errors. - Matijn I would say that's not limited to the distinction between Windows and Linux but any server. I've seen what appears to be an identical setup (same version of PHP, MySQL, etc) fail only because of a small setting in the php.ini file, just because the default was slightly different on the second system; both were running Linux. Yes, ofcourse, that comment was meant for any two systems. - Matijn Well, let me also add a related question: what types of problems might I encounter if I was trying to set up a Drupal or Wordpress instance on a Windows server running PHP as opposed to a Unix server? Jeff -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Gates, Jeff gat...@si.edu wrote: From: Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.commailto:tijn...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:59 PM To: a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukmailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukmailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk Cc: Jeff Gates gat...@si.edumailto:gat...@si.edu, php-general@lists.php.netmailto:php-general@lists.php.net php-general@lists.php.netmailto:php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukmailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 20:54 +0200, Matijn Woudt wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Gates, Jeff gat...@si.edumailto:gat...@si.edu wrote: Can anyone tell me what differences I might encounter by working with PHP on a Unix server verses working with PHP on a Windows server. We use Windows production servers here but many of us would like to get more LAMP environments. So, I'm wondering if I can use the hive mind here to get a sense of the pros and cons of each platform. Thanks. Jeff Apart from all other suggestions, one of the most common errors are because of different php.ini settings. If you can keep those settings (mostly) equal, there will not be that many errors. - Matijn I would say that's not limited to the distinction between Windows and Linux but any server. I've seen what appears to be an identical setup (same version of PHP, MySQL, etc) fail only because of a small setting in the php.ini file, just because the default was slightly different on the second system; both were running Linux. Yes, ofcourse, that comment was meant for any two systems. - Matijn Well, let me also add a related question: what types of problems might I encounter if I was trying to set up a Drupal or Wordpress instance on a Windows server running PHP as opposed to a Unix server? Jeff You might need to change a few basic configuration options (paths, database, etc) inside Drupal/Wordpress/.., but otherwise those are perfectly compatible on Windows Linux. - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Gates, Jeff gat...@si.edu wrote: From: Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.commailto:tijn...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:59 PM To: a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukmailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukmailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk Cc: Jeff Gates gat...@si.edumailto:gat...@si.edu, php-general@lists.php.netmailto:php-general@lists.php.net php-general@lists.php.netmailto:php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukmailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 20:54 +0200, Matijn Woudt wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Gates, Jeff gat...@si.edumailto:gat...@si.edu wrote: Can anyone tell me what differences I might encounter by working with PHP on a Unix server verses working with PHP on a Windows server. We use Windows production servers here but many of us would like to get more LAMP environments. So, I'm wondering if I can use the hive mind here to get a sense of the pros and cons of each platform. Thanks. Jeff Apart from all other suggestions, one of the most common errors are because of different php.ini settings. If you can keep those settings (mostly) equal, there will not be that many errors. - Matijn I would say that's not limited to the distinction between Windows and Linux but any server. I've seen what appears to be an identical setup (same version of PHP, MySQL, etc) fail only because of a small setting in the php.ini file, just because the default was slightly different on the second system; both were running Linux. Yes, ofcourse, that comment was meant for any two systems. - Matijn Well, let me also add a related question: what types of problems might I encounter if I was trying to set up a Drupal or Wordpress instance on a Windows server running PHP as opposed to a Unix server? Jeff You might need to change a few basic configuration options (paths, database, etc) inside Drupal/Wordpress/.., but otherwise those are perfectly compatible on Windows Linux. - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Why not install virtualbox or something similar and install a flavor of linux and use that to do your dev on? It more closely mimics what will be the operating environment and would lead to less hassles -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
On 22/05/2012 19:15, Gates, Jeff wrote: Can anyone tell me what differences I might encounter by working with PHP on a Unix server verses working with PHP on a Windows server. We use Windows production servers here but many of us would like to get more LAMP environments. So, I'm wondering if I can use the hive mind here to get a sense of the pros and cons of each platform. Thanks. Jeff In addition to Ashley's response, server variables can be populated with different values on PHP/Apache/Linux versus PHP/IIS/Windows. This can be a particular issue if you're writing 404 handlers or anything that relies on query strings. In particular you need to test and check for differences between Apache and IIS in how the REQUEST_URI, QUERY_STRING, URL, and ORIG_PATH_INFO variables are populated depending on whether your script is being called directly or as a 404 handler. When redirecting due to a 404 or some other redirect or error IIS will populate some variables with values like this /404.php?404;http://www.server.com:80/blah.php?v=1t=2; whereas Apache will populate the same variable with /blah.php?v=1t=2 in the same situation. This means the query string needs to be parsed differently. You need to test for your own usage scenarios. -- MarkR PGP public key: http://www.signal100.com/markr/pgp Key ID: C9C5C162 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
On 22/05/2012 19:32, Ashley Sheridan wrote: After that, you have file permissions. In Unix, you have file, owner and group permissions; Windows has read/write permissions and I believe on newer versions you can get something similar to what Unix/Linux has had for the last however many years but I'm not 100% sure on that one. Just to clarify on this point, Windows (or rather NTFS) permissions use full ACLs and so, for each file system object, any number of users and/or groups can have any number of allow or deny permissions assigned to them for a range of activities (e.g. read, write, append, delete, create, execute, traverse, read/write attributes, read/write permissions, etc.). There's a good article here that begins to explain it: 'Understanding Windows NTFS Permissions' http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Understanding-Windows-NTFS-Permissions.html NTFS ACLs are similar to (not not identical to) Posix Access Control Lists that are available for Linux and Unixes. -- MarkR PGP public key: http://www.signal100.com/markr/pgp Key ID: C9C5C162 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Gates, Jeff gat...@si.edu wrote: Can anyone tell me what differences I might encounter by working with PHP on a Unix server verses working with PHP on a Windows server. We use Windows production servers here but many of us would like to get more LAMP environments. So, I'm wondering if I can use the hive mind here to get a sense of the pros and cons of each platform. Thanks. Jeff Apart from all other suggestions, one of the most common errors are because of different php.ini settings. If you can keep those settings (mostly) equal, there will not be that many errors. - Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 20:54 +0200, Matijn Woudt wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Gates, Jeff gat...@si.edu wrote: Can anyone tell me what differences I might encounter by working with PHP on a Unix server verses working with PHP on a Windows server. We use Windows production servers here but many of us would like to get more LAMP environments. So, I'm wondering if I can use the hive mind here to get a sense of the pros and cons of each platform. Thanks. Jeff Apart from all other suggestions, one of the most common errors are because of different php.ini settings. If you can keep those settings (mostly) equal, there will not be that many errors. - Matijn I would say that's not limited to the distinction between Windows and Linux but any server. I've seen what appears to be an identical setup (same version of PHP, MySQL, etc) fail only because of a small setting in the php.ini file, just because the default was slightly different on the second system; both were running Linux. -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukwrote: ** On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 20:54 +0200, Matijn Woudt wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Gates, Jeff gat...@si.edu wrote: Can anyone tell me what differences I might encounter by working with PHP on a Unix server verses working with PHP on a Windows server. We use Windows production servers here but many of us would like to get more LAMP environments. So, I'm wondering if I can use the hive mind here to get a sense of the pros and cons of each platform. Thanks. Jeff Apart from all other suggestions, one of the most common errors are because of different php.ini settings. If you can keep those settings (mostly) equal, there will not be that many errors. - Matijn I would say that's not limited to the distinction between Windows and Linux but any server. I've seen what appears to be an identical setup (same version of PHP, MySQL, etc) fail only because of a small setting in the php.ini file, just because the default was slightly different on the second system; both were running Linux. Yes, ofcourse, that comment was meant for any two systems. - Matijn
[PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
Can anyone tell me what differences I might encounter by working with PHP on a Unix server verses working with PHP on a Windows server. We use Windows production servers here but many of us would like to get more LAMP environments. So, I'm wondering if I can use the hive mind here to get a sense of the pros and cons of each platform. Thanks. Jeff -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Differences between PHP on LAMP and PHP on Windows Servers
On Tue, 2012-05-22 at 14:15 -0400, Gates, Jeff wrote: Can anyone tell me what differences I might encounter by working with PHP on a Unix server verses working with PHP on a Windows server. We use Windows production servers here but many of us would like to get more LAMP environments. So, I'm wondering if I can use the hive mind here to get a sense of the pros and cons of each platform. Thanks. Jeff The first difference I'd point out is things like filenames and paths. *nix systems are case sensitive, so script.php and Script.php are two totally different files which can happily exist within the same directory, whereas on a Windows system this isn't true. This can affect anything from front-end assets (images, CSS, Javascript files, etc) to PHP includes and even MySQL tables depending on how the database is configured (it tends to create database files based on the name of the DB and it's tables) Also, the path separator is different. Unix/Linux uses a forward slash and Windows uses a back-slash. While these can be interchanged quite often without the world imploding, sometimes they just refuse to, so it's best to ensure you're using the right one for the script. PHP has several constants defined to help you which change depending on the system PHP is currently being run on, you can find out more about them at http://php.net/manual/en/dir.constants.php After that, you have file permissions. In Unix, you have file, owner and group permissions; Windows has read/write permissions and I believe on newer versions you can get something similar to what Unix/Linux has had for the last however many years but I'm not 100% sure on that one. There are differences with setting up PHP to send emails. On Windows I believe you have to use SMTP, but on Linux you tend to use the internal sendmail with the choice of SMTP if you wish. In the main, I'd say that you want your production servers to mirror the live ones as closely as possible. There have been plenty of times where I've moved a script to a different machine and things have stopped working because of a different version of PHP or MySQL was installed, and you run the risk further if the OS is different too. When you're on a deadline, the last thing you want is to have to debug something that you know works just fine! -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
