[PHP] Re: Lists are back up
This is something I had been meaning to ask for a while. Can message dates be normalized at the list server? It seems like a lot of people out there don't know how to set their clocks or want lots of attention by setting their clocks months + years ahead so their messages are always pinned to the top of message lists. the perfect example is a message with the subject '[PHP] Hurray!' it was sent 6/19 it has no technical value whatsoever ( subjective :) It is pinned to the bottom of my message list in Eudora as the newest message I am no mailserver admin so I don't know what is involved in trying to fix this at the server, but for a list that is so helpful this is really annoying. Thanks, Morgan At 03:15 PM 6/18/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus
Re: [PHP] Re: Lists are back up
At 19.06.2001 15:59, A. Skwar wrote: So sprach Wico de Leeuw am Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 01:09:49PM +0200: I don't know which ancient version you are using but version 5+ can filter on cc: Don't know about Eudora, but filters in webmailers (like gmx.de) cannot filter on CC, nor can Lotus Notes 4.x filter reliably on CC. Those are both products I use regularly. Since when did webmailers become a suitable and efficient MUA to use on medium-to-high-volume mailingslists ? Further why not filter it on the server through use of address-extentions like most servers (apart from sendmail, but who wants to use sendmail?) support, that would give excellent conditions even for webmails that can't do anything apart from dish out your password in plaintext... Notes can filter, but as you say, not very good, but then again Notes is a poor emailclient as it can't thread and it doesn't follow any standards and even breaks a few conventions... Filtering on user-variable data is a poor deal, it's to easy to get mail filtered wrong because of some (l)user putting [PHP] in the topic, or what ever you filter on, if somebody replies to you offlist without changing topic, you don't want the reply to go to the same place as the rest of the list... you get the picture... -- Andreas D Landmark / noXtension Real Time, adj.: Here and now, as opposed to fake time, which only occurs there and then.
[PHP] RE: Lists are back up
Title: RE: Lists are back up Hi Rasmus! Thank You for sharing that; I was beginning to fear that I had been permanetly banned. ;-) Good work! Best Regards, Henrik J. -- From: Rasmus Lerdorf[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: den 18 juni 2001 21:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lists are back up We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus
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Don't know about Eudora, but filters in webmailers (like gmx.de) cannot filter on CC, nor can Lotus Notes 4.x filter reliably on CC. Those are both products I use regularly. Lotus Notes I beg to differ on (and now we really are a long way from PHP discussion ;-) ).true the auto filters are pretty unreliable, but if you write an agent (pref on server replica) then you can do just about anything. while at IBM I had a whole host of agents running on my mail, including doing just what you described. Sales Pitch If you've had a chance to look at Notes 5, it is very cool... you can even wirte agents in full Java now! /Sales Pitch Damn, still talking the corporate speak.. Tom Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 23 hours 18 minutes
[PHP] Re: Lists are back up
More seriously ... Can we get a report on what happened? If this happens in the future, is there some way of putting an alternative in place quickly? For example, could phpbuilder take up the slack? Could this outage lend fuel to the Who do you sue? and Open Source is unreliable schools. Having said that, I recognize that PHP-based sites around the world kept running, as did php.net itself. The explanation is simple and has been on the php.net web site for a while. Having an alternative place to move the lists to is something we can look at, but it isn't overly simple to do, and I personally don't consider the mailing lists mission critical. The web site and cvs server are more critical. -Rasmus
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At 12:01 AM 6/19/01 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach Clayton Dukes am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:26PM -0400: Why not just set your filter to look for [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the to or cc line? Because not all filters support that, and it makes reading mails eg. via webmail interfaces easier? Eudora can't filter on CC lines. I've dropped one subscription to another group because the members insisted on sending emails to each other individually, and CCing the group. -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org I would have a link to http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?KC6ETE-9 here in my signature line, but due to the inability of sysadmins at TELOCITY to differentiate a signature line from the text of an email, I am forbidden to have it.
[PHP] Re: Lists are back up
Hi Rasmus, I was home sick with out this mailing list ;-) I found that this is the only list that can get quick responses (most of the times). I am glad it is up Adrian On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus
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For all those that's seeking support for php, there are two options, zend.com sells SOS, you could also join #php on efnet for help.. // bad2da -Ursprungligt meddelande- Fran: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Skickat: den 19 juni 2001 05:31 Till: Miles Thompson Kopia: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amne: [PHP] Re: Lists are back up More seriously ... Can we get a report on what happened? If this happens in the future, is there some way of putting an alternative in place quickly? For example, could phpbuilder take up the slack? Could this outage lend fuel to the Who do you sue? and Open Source is unreliable schools. Having said that, I recognize that PHP-based sites around the world kept running, as did php.net itself. The explanation is simple and has been on the php.net web site for a while. Having an alternative place to move the lists to is something we can look at, but it isn't overly simple to do, and I personally don't consider the mailing lists mission critical. The web site and cvs server are more critical. -Rasmus
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I use Eudora, and it works fine for me, filtering on Cc lines. what I do: To: contains : [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Cc: contains : [EMAIL PROTECTED] transfer to: I/want/it/here Hope it helps Jon A At 22:43 18-06-01 -0500, David VanHorn wrote: At 12:01 AM 6/19/01 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach Clayton Dukes am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:26PM -0400: Why not just set your filter to look for [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the to or cc line? Because not all filters support that, and it makes reading mails eg. via webmail interfaces easier? Eudora can't filter on CC lines. I've dropped one subscription to another group because the members insisted on sending emails to each other individually, and CCing the group. -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org I would have a link to http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?KC6ETE-9 here in my signature line, but due to the inability of sysadmins at TELOCITY to differentiate a signature line from the text of an email, I am forbidden to have it.
Re: [PHP] Re: Lists are back up
At 19.06.2001 04:43, you wrote: Eudora can't filter on CC lines. I've dropped one subscription to another group because the members insisted on sending emails to each other individually, and CCing the group. Wrong! Eudora can filter on CC lines, Header CC: contains lists.php.net and filter that however you like it. Perhaps you need to look at upgrading your Eudora or swapping it if your version doesn't support it... Eud5 certainly supports CC: filtering, and you could always use anywhere-in-header contains lists.php.net as that would do the same thing. -- Andreas D Landmark / noXtension Real Time, adj.: Here and now, as opposed to fake time, which only occurs there and then.
Re: [PHP] Re: Lists are back up
So sprach Wico de Leeuw am Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 01:09:49PM +0200: I don't know which ancient version you are using but version 5+ can filter on cc: Don't know about Eudora, but filters in webmailers (like gmx.de) cannot filter on CC, nor can Lotus Notes 4.x filter reliably on CC. Those are both products I use regularly. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 23 hours 18 minutes
Re: [PHP] Re: Lists are back up
At 22:43 18-6-2001 -0500, David VanHorn wrote: At 12:01 AM 6/19/01 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: So sprach Clayton Dukes am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:26PM -0400: Why not just set your filter to look for [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the to or cc line? Because not all filters support that, and it makes reading mails eg. via webmail interfaces easier? Eudora can't filter on CC lines. I've dropped one subscription to another group because the members insisted on sending emails to each other individually, and CCing the group. I don't know which ancient version you are using but version 5+ can filter on cc: Greetz, Wico -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org I would have a link to http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?KC6ETE-9 here in my signature line, but due to the inability of sysadmins at TELOCITY to differentiate a signature line from the text of an email, I am forbidden to have it.
[PHP] PHP Support (was: Re: SV: [PHP] Re: Lists are back up)
At 19.06.2001 11:20, Mattias Segerdahl wrote: For all those that's seeking support for php, there are two options, zend.com sells SOS, you could also join #php on efnet for help.. I doubt #php would attract the big bad corporations using php, I've seen people give rm -rf / millions of times on IRC, and who would you sue if you happen to get that advice... no money involved, usually no responsibilities... Further you have to be reasonably lucky to find somebody with the required knowledge, time and willigness to solve a problem over IRC, and for a complex and possible business-critical web-solution you'd probably require the developers to sign a NDA... Zend and _many_ other companies offer this to those who can pay for it, just check with your local webhotel and ask them about creating a web-solution for you and tell more than happily take your money ;-). (No I haven't given the rm -rf /, but witnessed it and actually seen people come back and say.. 'uh what happened?', 'ls doesn't work anymore...') -- Andreas D Landmark / noXtension Real Time, adj.: Here and now, as opposed to fake time, which only occurs there and then.
RE: [PHP] RE: Lists are back up
most email programs will allow you to filter by email address also. works great for me. -Original Message- From: Chad Day [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:05 PM To: John Donagher; Rasmus Lerdorf Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] RE: Lists are back up Yes, -please- put this back, my inbox will thank you, as will I. Chad -Original Message- From: John Donagher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:41 AM To: Rasmus Lerdorf Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lists are back up Any chance we can get the [LISTNAME] subject prefixing so all my filters don't break? :) John On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus -- John Donagher Application Engineer Intacct Corp. - Powerful Accounting on the Web 408-395-0989 720 University Ave. Los Gatos CA 95032 www.intacct.com Public key available off http://www.keyserver.net Key fingerprint = 4024 DF50 56EE 19A3 258A D628 22DE AD56 EEBE 8DDD
[PHP] RE: Lists are back up
thanks mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.packdata.net -Original Message- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Montag, 18. Juni 2001 21:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lists are back up We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus
[PHP] Re: Lists are back up
At 12:15 PM 6/18/2001 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus Does this also refer to the news server? John Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer If we didn't have Microsoft, we'd have to blame ourselves for all of our programs crashing
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scott [gts] wrote: most email programs will allow you to filter by email address also. works great for me. Yeah. If Return-Path contains php-general-return as a filter-rule works great. regards Wagner -- Little Boy: Mr. President, how did you become a war hero? President Kennedy: It was absolutely involuntary. They sank my boat.
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If we didn't have Microsoft, we'd have to blame ourselves for all of our programs crashing Most of my systems don't even HAVE a reset button. :) -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org I would have a link to http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?KC6ETE-9 here in my signature line, but due to the inability of sysadmins at TELOCITY to differentiate a signature line from the text of an email, I am forbidden to have it.
[PHP] Re: Lists are back up
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:15:23PM -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. This was the best mail I have read since weeks. I have been informed by my French editor, there are some errors in the manual. I have tried to download the latest, but it is not working for me? -Egon -- LinuxTag, Stuttgart, Germany: July 5-8 2001: http://www.linuxtag.de/ All known books about PHP and related books: http://php.net/books.php Concert Band of the University of Hohenheim: http://www.concert-band.de/ First and second bestselling book in German: http://www.php-buch.de/
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Quoting ckieninger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): thanks can you renable the gtk-php mailing list. Thanks, Julia -- [ Julia Anne Case ] [Ships are safe inside the harbor, ] [Programmer at large] [ but is that what ships are really for.] [ Admining Linux ] [ To thine own self be true. ] [ Windows/WindowsNT ] [ Fair is where you take your cows to be judged. ]
[PHP] RE: Lists are back up
Let's Go! m -Original Message- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lists are back up We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus
[PHP] Re: Lists are back up
ditto that. On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, John Donagher wrote: Any chance we can get the [LISTNAME] subject prefixing so all my filters don't break? :) John On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus -- If society fits you comfortably enough, you call it freedom. -- Robert Frost
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Why not just set your filter to look for [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the to or cc line? Clayton Dukes MicroMuse, Inc. CIC Product Engineer CCNA, CCDA, CCDP, CCNP (c) 904-631-4131 (o) 904-880-5996 -=]-Original Message- -=]From: bard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -=]Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:00 PM -=]To: John Donagher -=]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=]Subject: [PHP] Re: Lists are back up -=] -=] -=]ditto that. -=]On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, John Donagher wrote: -=] -=] -=] Any chance we can get the [LISTNAME] subject prefixing so all -=]my filters -=] don't break? :) -=] -=] John -=] -=] On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: -=] -=] We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now -=]running from a -=] temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more -=] permanent home is in the works. -=] -=] -Rasmus -=] -=] -=] -=] -=]-- -=]If society fits you comfortably enough, you call it freedom. -=] -- Robert Frost
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Fair enough, I'll give you that :-) -=]-Original Message- -=]From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -=]Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 6:01 PM -=]To: Clayton Dukes -=]Cc: bard; John Donagher; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=]Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Lists are back up -=] -=] -=]So sprach Clayton Dukes am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:26PM -0400: -=] Why not just set your filter to look for -=][EMAIL PROTECTED] in the to -=] or cc line? -=] -=]Because not all filters support that, and it makes reading mails eg. via -=]webmail interfaces easier? -=] -=]Alexander Skwar -=]-- -=]How to quote:http://learn.to/quote (german) -=]http://quote.6x.to (english) -=]Homepage:http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de -=] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen -=] Uptime: 2 days 6 hours 21 minutes
[PHP] Re: Lists are back up
I second that motion :^) -Mark On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 03:40:46 -0400 (EDT) John Donagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any chance we can get the [LISTNAME] subject prefixing so all my filters don't break? :) John On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus -- John Donagher Application Engineer Intacct Corp. - Powerful Accounting on the Web 408-395-0989 720 University Ave. Los Gatos CA 95032 www.intacct.com Public key available off http://www.keyserver.net Key fingerprint = 4024 DF50 56EE 19A3 258A D628 22DE AD56 EEBE 8DDD
[PHP] Re: Lists are back up
Hoo-boy. It's been a long drought. I just checked my mail and PHP was BOLD. YAY!! THE LIST'S BACK UP!! Wonderful! More seriously ... Can we get a report on what happened? If this happens in the future, is there some way of putting an alternative in place quickly? For example, could phpbuilder take up the slack? Could this outage lend fuel to the Who do you sue? and Open Source is unreliable schools. Having said that, I recognize that PHP-based sites around the world kept running, as did php.net itself. Great to have this list back - Miles Thompson At 12:15 PM 6/18/01 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: We have re-enabled the PHP mailing lists. They are now running from a temporary machine sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom. A more permanent home is in the works. -Rasmus
Re: [PHP] Re: Lists are back up
So sprach Clayton Dukes am Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:26PM -0400: Why not just set your filter to look for [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the to or cc line? Because not all filters support that, and it makes reading mails eg. via webmail interfaces easier? Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.iso-top.de iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 2 days 6 hours 21 minutes
