Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
Greg Donald wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:01:18 +0200, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I very much disagree. I am writing this on my Fedora Core 3 box and am very happy with it's 'bloat'. As a new convert form windows I am kinda used to everything being there at my fingertips. And in Fedora, everything is, except mp3 support which I added easily with synaptic (the apt gui). I know that I will outgrow this distro, and follow this thread because I am looking for in which direction to grow. But I am very glad that I found Fedora because SUSE, slack, and a few others were way too over my head to get started. I almost gave up. You realize Fedora is RedHat's test distro, right? It's where they test new stuff for their commercial offerings. In other words Fedora is forever in 'testing'. There will never be a final 'stable' release. You'll have to buy a copy of RedHat for that. As a new convert form windows I thought you might want to know. Fedora is about 1000 X as stable as Windows. Believe it or not, I don't *want* to be a Linux guy, or a SysAdmin nor track versions of 100 software packages nor subscribe to a half-dozen security forums, nor ... I just want to USE my computer to do what I wanted to do with it. I don't fix my own car either. So I use Fedora and let the experts handle the software updates. I've tried other systems, and, yes, it was nice to have a lean mean computing machine and to have complete control and all that -- It also was incredibly expensive on my time, which is my most limited resource, right ahead of the almighty dollar. -- Like Music? http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:10:46 -0800 (PST), Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe it or not, I don't *want* to be a Linux guy, or a SysAdmin nor track versions of 100 software packages nor subscribe to a half-dozen security forums, nor ... I enjoy sysadmin work myself. I just want to USE my computer to do what I wanted to do with it. I don't fix my own car either. Not all drivers are mechanics. Not all computer users are sysadmins. So I use Fedora and let the experts handle the software updates. If it works great for you then great, I'm happy for you. I've tried other systems, and, yes, it was nice to have a lean mean computing machine and to have complete control and all that -- It also was incredibly expensive on my time, which is my most limited resource, right ahead of the almighty dollar. Not all of us are CEOs of big companies, some of us are just mechanics working under the hood trying to make a living. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
And if you question the political motivations jfgi for osama bin linux. On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:22:47 +, Rory Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all my years of attending Church I never once heard anyone discussing Linux. Must be a denominational thing. Dear Brethren, As a follower of st iGNUtious I am troubled by the spiritual blindness I see evident in the comment I see here before me. Did not the prophet RMS teach the true path? And yet now you have backsliden. Go ye therfore to www.gnu.org and you will once more be walking along the path of rightiousness. PS: I didn't write that, someone else did at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/21/15457/2473 -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
In all my years of attending Church I never once heard anyone discussing Linux. Must be a denominational thing. Dear Brethren, As a follower of st iGNUtious I am troubled by the spiritual blindness I see evident in the comment I see here before me. Did not the prophet RMS teach the true path? And yet now you have backsliden. Go ye therfore to www.gnu.org and you will once more be walking along the path of rightiousness. PS: I didn't write that, someone else did at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/8/21/15457/2473 -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
The Disguised Jedi wrote: Hello all - I've been a list member for a while, helped out some people, and asked some questions. But, today I have a completely off topic, but somewhat relevant question for y'all. What is your favorite Linux distribution? What would you recommend for my situation? Not sure what your situation is, but I'll answer anyways. I'm brand new to Linux. I'm just trying to learn how it works, but I think I'll catch on quick. I'm looking for the one with the most capability, and also one to run my development instance of Apache 2.0 on. I've been looking at either RedHat or Fedora. Is this a good choice? I'm truly drawing a blank, and I've searched Google, but never really found anything extremely useful. Please help me, an old Windows veteran, escape the Microsoft box! First off, do NOT go RedHat or Fedora. Both are abominations of Linuxdom and are as bloated as Windows. My recommendation for a good binary install distro is Slackware. Minimal set of tools installed for a base system so there is no bloat right off the bat. Gentoo is another good one, but rather more advanced the Slack although the tools are very well documented and once you learn them you'll never consider going to another distro. I really think Gentoo is that good. I use it myself for all my workstation and server needs. Good luck on finding one that suits you, though. Thanks a ton!! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:30:07 -0600, Joseph A Nagy Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentoo is another good one, but rather more advanced the Slack although the tools are very well documented and once you learn them you'll never consider going to another distro. I really think Gentoo is that good. I agree. No other Linux distro can compare to Gentoo when it comes to the docs, howtos, and general community support. Gentoo solves the binary dependancy issues ( RPMs, yuck! ) Suse, RedHat, and Mandrake suffer from, and along the way create a 'no need to ever upgrade' scenario. Even FreeBSD my second favorite *nix distro recommends a clean install when moving from, say 4.10 to 5.3, but not Gentoo.. it's all progressive and inclusive. This past weekend I upgraded my friend's Gentoo box from 2004.0 to 2004.3 with no issues. etc-update took me a while to finish, but that was to be expected when you got 151 new conf files to merge. I use it myself for all my workstation and server needs. Good luck on finding one that suits you, though. Yeah, too bad there's no World of Warcraft for Linux. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:30:07 -0600, Joseph A Nagy Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Disguised Jedi wrote: Hello all - I've been a list member for a while, helped out some people, and asked some questions. But, today I have a completely off topic, but somewhat relevant question for y'all. What is your favorite Linux distribution? What would you recommend for my situation? Not sure what your situation is, but I'll answer anyways. I'm brand new to Linux. I'm just trying to learn how it works, but I think I'll catch on quick. I'm looking for the one with the most capability, and also one to run my development instance of Apache 2.0 on. I've been looking at either RedHat or Fedora. Is this a good choice? I'm truly drawing a blank, and I've searched Google, but never really found anything extremely useful. Please help me, an old Windows veteran, escape the Microsoft box! First off, do NOT go RedHat or Fedora. Both are abominations of Linuxdom and are as bloated as Windows. My recommendation for a good binary install distro is Slackware. Minimal set of tools installed for a base system so there is no bloat right off the bat. Gentoo is another good one, but rather more advanced the Slack although the tools are very well documented and once you learn them you'll never consider going to another distro. I really think Gentoo is that good. I use it myself for all my workstation and server needs. Good luck on finding one that suits you, though. Thanks a ton!! I very much disagree. I am writing this on my Fedora Core 3 box and am very happy with it's 'bloat'. As a new convert form windows I am kinda used to everything being there at my fingertips. And in Fedora, everything is, except mp3 support which I added easily with synaptic (the apt gui). I know that I will outgrow this distro, and follow this thread because I am looking for in which direction to grow. But I am very glad that I found Fedora because SUSE, slack, and a few others were way too over my head to get started. I almost gave up. Tips: -If you need support for languages other than english, make sure that yor distro has it built in (Fedora has built in hebrew support for me). Adding it as a newbie is not easy. -Try a live CD beforehand, to check that your hardware will work. -Dont erase windows just yet! You'll know when it's time. Or more accuratly, you'll know that you haven't gotten to that point just yet! -make sure that your ISP will help you setup the internet. I had a real mess with mine, and even switched ISPs. The former ISP's tech support's first qestion was what windows version are you using and if the answer wasn't endorsed by redmont, well, you had no one to talk with! -linuxquestions.org forums! Dotan Cohen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:01:18 +0200, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I very much disagree. I am writing this on my Fedora Core 3 box and am very happy with it's 'bloat'. As a new convert form windows I am kinda used to everything being there at my fingertips. And in Fedora, everything is, except mp3 support which I added easily with synaptic (the apt gui). I know that I will outgrow this distro, and follow this thread because I am looking for in which direction to grow. But I am very glad that I found Fedora because SUSE, slack, and a few others were way too over my head to get started. I almost gave up. You realize Fedora is RedHat's test distro, right? It's where they test new stuff for their commercial offerings. In other words Fedora is forever in 'testing'. There will never be a final 'stable' release. You'll have to buy a copy of RedHat for that. As a new convert form windows I thought you might want to know. Join you local Linux user's group. Go to an install-fest. Grow. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:42:10 -0600, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 01:01:18 +0200, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I very much disagree. I am writing this on my Fedora Core 3 box and am very happy with it's 'bloat'. As a new convert form windows I am kinda used to everything being there at my fingertips. And in Fedora, everything is, except mp3 support which I added easily with synaptic (the apt gui). I know that I will outgrow this distro, and follow this thread because I am looking for in which direction to grow. But I am very glad that I found Fedora because SUSE, slack, and a few others were way too over my head to get started. I almost gave up. You realize Fedora is RedHat's test distro, right? It's where they test new stuff for their commercial offerings. In other words Fedora is forever in 'testing'. There will never be a final 'stable' release. You'll have to buy a copy of RedHat for that. As a new convert form windows I thought you might want to know. Join you local Linux user's group. Go to an install-fest. Grow. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I dont exacly agree with the statement: You realize Fedora is RedHat's test distro, right? I quote from fedora.redhat.com: The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from free software Now, you are correct insofar as It is also a proving ground for new technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat products (as quoted from the same page), however it appears to me that the focus is on creating a complete, general purpse operating system exclusively from free software. The fact that there are some bleeding-edge developments makes it no different from most other distros. In fact, as far I as I understand, being a 'newbie-distro' it should be rather stable. As far as my experience with it, it is extremly stable- more so than the XP that it replaced (that might not be saying much, though...). Join you local Linux user's group. I think I might just join me local Linux user's group. Dotan Cohen http://english-lyrics.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
I would agree with the Mandrake recommendation. I first installed it a few years back, to help me get started in the Linux/Unix world, and had very little trouble with it. It's hardware recognition has always been very impressive. Since first installing Mandrake, I have often thought I should 'grow up' and try a more serious distribution, but I always end up coming back. Being Mandrake, it's as easy as you want to configure stuff, and being Linux, it's also as hard as you want. I've rarely had dependency problems, but then I don't really go in for exotic configurations. On 8 Feb 2005, at 08:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty difficult question as it's a question of taste :-) If your are new to linux and want to keep your windows (dual-boot), Mandrake would be my advice: in a class with users without experience of linux, they all have been able to install Mandrake (10.1) dual booting windows without a problem in -/+ 2 hours. I also have it on my laptop since 2/3 years now and it works pretty well Fedora Core is really nice, but if I'm not wrong, there is no possibility in the graphical installation to redimension your windows partition (by the way always do a backup and a defrag before) gaël The Disguised Jedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/02/2005 00.25.28: Hello all - I've been a list member for a while, helped out some people, and asked some questions. But, today I have a completely off topic, but somewhat relevant question for y'all. What is your favorite Linux distribution? What would you recommend for my situation? I'm brand new to Linux. I'm just trying to learn how it works, but I think I'll catch on quick. I'm looking for the one with the most capability, and also one to run my development instance of Apache 2.0 on. I've been looking at either RedHat or Fedora. Is this a good choice? I'm truly drawing a blank, and I've searched Google, but never really found anything extremely useful. Please help me, an old Windows veteran, escape the Microsoft box! Thanks a ton!! -- The Disguised Jedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHP rocks! Knowledge is Power. Power Corrupts. Go to school, become evil Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. This message is Certified Virus Free - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
This question is as much about politics, and religion, as it is technical. I like mandrake, but I haven't used a distro yet, in which everything 'just worked'. Each distro I tried had some bug in it. Can't remember what they were, and they were easly circumvented, but if you don't know much about Linux, then it may not be the best choice. I haven't tried ubuntu yet, but if you can get it installed okay, it will probably pay off on the long run, since it is backed by the strength, and power of Debian. That means that you can use the same apt system as is used by debian for your package management. Mandrake does have urpmi, which makes package management much easier than it is in Fedora, SuSE, or any other rpm(redhat) based distro, but I think you should know a bit about Linux, before venturing into what is, if we're going to be honest about it, a buggy operating system. I haven't tried it myself(costs money), but if I were starting again, I might give Xandros a try. Make sure that whatever you do, that you choose one that has a reputation for being newbie friendly. On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:26:21 +0100, Gareth Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would agree with the Mandrake recommendation. I first installed it a few years back, to help me get started in the Linux/Unix world, and had very little trouble with it. It's hardware recognition has always been very impressive. Since first installing Mandrake, I have often thought I should 'grow up' and try a more serious distribution, but I always end up coming back. Being Mandrake, it's as easy as you want to configure stuff, and being Linux, it's also as hard as you want. I've rarely had dependency problems, but then I don't really go in for exotic configurations. On 8 Feb 2005, at 08:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretty difficult question as it's a question of taste :-) If your are new to linux and want to keep your windows (dual-boot), Mandrake would be my advice: in a class with users without experience of linux, they all have been able to install Mandrake (10.1) dual booting windows without a problem in -/+ 2 hours. I also have it on my laptop since 2/3 years now and it works pretty well Fedora Core is really nice, but if I'm not wrong, there is no possibility in the graphical installation to redimension your windows partition (by the way always do a backup and a defrag before) gaël The Disguised Jedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/02/2005 00.25.28: Hello all - I've been a list member for a while, helped out some people, and asked some questions. But, today I have a completely off topic, but somewhat relevant question for y'all. What is your favorite Linux distribution? What would you recommend for my situation? I'm brand new to Linux. I'm just trying to learn how it works, but I think I'll catch on quick. I'm looking for the one with the most capability, and also one to run my development instance of Apache 2.0 on. I've been looking at either RedHat or Fedora. Is this a good choice? I'm truly drawing a blank, and I've searched Google, but never really found anything extremely useful. Please help me, an old Windows veteran, escape the Microsoft box! Thanks a ton!! -- The Disguised Jedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHP rocks! Knowledge is Power. Power Corrupts. Go to school, become evil Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. This message is Certified Virus Free - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 14:19:38 +, Rory Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This question is as much about politics, and religion, as it is technical. In all my years of attending Church I never once heard anyone discussing Linux. Must be a denominational thing. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
I also forgot to mention my hardware. P4 2.8 GHz - Notebook 60 GB HDD w/ 15 GB seperate partition for the linux CD-RW 24x WLAN for main connection Thanks for the responses i've already received! On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:31:46 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire. Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I like gentoo for Linux. However, you may be best served by FreeBSD. www.freebsd.org Chad -- The Disguised Jedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHP rocks! Knowledge is Power. Power Corrupts. Go to school, become evil Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. This message is Certified Virus Free -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
* The Disguised Jedi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also forgot to mention my hardware. P4 2.8 GHz - Notebook 60 GB HDD w/ 15 GB seperate partition for the linux CD-RW 24x WLAN for main connection Almost identical to what I'm writing this on... except my partitions are all linux... ;-) In getting ready for the linux install on this machine, I went over to http://www.linux-laptop.net -- this should be your first stop if you're using a laptop. See if you can find what others have written about getting it up and running; if you're lucky, you'll see several distros, and be able to compare, or somebody will have written a comparison of several. From what I've been able to see, Kanotix has been a favorite for a number of laptops with similar configurations. It's a livecd, so you'll be able to test it out without installing -- which will give you a good idea if your hardware will work with it. Then, install away! (Me? I run gentoo.) Thanks for the responses i've already received! On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:31:46 -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire. Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I like gentoo for Linux. However, you may be best served by FreeBSD. www.freebsd.org Chad -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://weierophinney.net/matthew -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [users@httpd] Favorite Linux Distribution
Pretty difficult question as it's a question of taste :-) If your are new to linux and want to keep your windows (dual-boot), Mandrake would be my advice: in a class with users without experience of linux, they all have been able to install Mandrake (10.1) dual booting windows without a problem in -/+ 2 hours. I also have it on my laptop since 2/3 years now and it works pretty well Fedora Core is really nice, but if I'm not wrong, there is no possibility in the graphical installation to redimension your windows partition (by the way always do a backup and a defrag before) gaël The Disguised Jedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/02/2005 00.25.28: Hello all - I've been a list member for a while, helped out some people, and asked some questions. But, today I have a completely off topic, but somewhat relevant question for y'all. What is your favorite Linux distribution? What would you recommend for my situation? I'm brand new to Linux. I'm just trying to learn how it works, but I think I'll catch on quick. I'm looking for the one with the most capability, and also one to run my development instance of Apache 2.0 on. I've been looking at either RedHat or Fedora. Is this a good choice? I'm truly drawing a blank, and I've searched Google, but never really found anything extremely useful. Please help me, an old Windows veteran, escape the Microsoft box! Thanks a ton!! -- The Disguised Jedi [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHP rocks! Knowledge is Power. Power Corrupts. Go to school, become evil Disclaimer: Any disclaimer attached to this message may be ignored. This message is Certified Virus Free - The official User-To-User support forum of the Apache HTTP Server Project. See URL:http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html for more info. To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
