[PHP] Re: Version Control Software
Benjamin Darwin wrote: After reading a topic on the list here about someone losing their website, and having a minor mistake on my own that cost me a week's work on a file (basically, tested the file, then uploaded to the live site and took the daily backup off the live site.. only to find the file was messed up.. and had to go to the weekly backup off cd to recover it, losing a week of work).. I'm wondering if anybody knows of a version control software program that may fit my needs. Basically, I'm looking for something that runs locally, not on the live site, that I can edit the files on the dev computer, and store old versions on the dev computer, and then just publish off of the local onto the live site whenever I need to. Anybody have any suggestons/ideas on how this should be done, and what program is a good fit? Thanks for any help, Ben Hi Ben Late reply, but... this could give you a really easy start: http://www.jumpbox.com/app/trac If you are not familiar with VMWare, you just need the VMWare Player (or above), which is free. All you do is 'play' the server image on your computer and you are away. Even if it won't suit your needs (I think there is no SSL or multiple project support on the jumpbox version unless you buy a subscription), it will give you a handy taster of what you get with SVN, Apache serving SVN and Trac before going through installing it yourself. If no-one else has mentioned it... http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ I also like TortoiseSVN when using Windows. Good luck. David -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Version Control Software
David Lidstone wrote: Benjamin Darwin wrote: After reading a topic on the list here about someone losing their website, and having a minor mistake on my own that cost me a week's work on a file (basically, tested the file, then uploaded to the live site and took the daily backup off the live site.. only to find the file was messed up.. and had to go to the weekly backup off cd to recover it, losing a week of work).. I'm wondering if anybody knows of a version control software program that may fit my needs. Basically, I'm looking for something that runs locally, not on the live site, that I can edit the files on the dev computer, and store old versions on the dev computer, and then just publish off of the local onto the live site whenever I need to. Anybody have any suggestons/ideas on how this should be done, and what program is a good fit? Thanks for any help, Ben Hi Ben Late reply, but... this could give you a really easy start: http://www.jumpbox.com/app/trac If you are not familiar with VMWare, you just need the VMWare Player (or above), which is free. All you do is 'play' the server image on your computer and you are away. Even if it won't suit your needs (I think there is no SSL or multiple project support on the jumpbox version unless you buy a subscription), it will give you a handy taster of what you get with SVN, Apache serving SVN and Trac before going through installing it yourself. If no-one else has mentioned it... http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ I also like TortoiseSVN when using Windows. Good luck. David May I also suggest smartSVN (www.syntevo.com) instead of TortoiseSVN. I already have too many programs cluttering my context menus, adding a ton via TortoiseSVN (coupled with its acentral windows behaviour) was just annoying to me. SmartSVN works a lot easier imo. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Version Control Software
-Original Message- From: David Lidstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 3:50 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net; Benjamin Darwin Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Re: Version Control Software Benjamin Darwin wrote: After reading a topic on the list here about someone losing their website, and having a minor mistake on my own that cost me a week's work on a file (basically, tested the file, then uploaded to the live site and took the daily backup off the live site.. only to find the file was messed up.. and had to go to the weekly backup off cd to recover it, losing a week of work).. I'm wondering if anybody knows of a version control software program that may fit my needs. Basically, I'm looking for something that runs locally, not on the live site, that I can edit the files on the dev computer, and store old versions on the dev computer, and then just publish off of the local onto the live site whenever I need to. Anybody have any suggestons/ideas on how this should be done, and what program is a good fit? Thanks for any help, Ben Hi Ben Late reply, but... this could give you a really easy start: http://www.jumpbox.com/app/trac If you are not familiar with VMWare, you just need the VMWare Player (or above), which is free. All you do is 'play' the server image on your computer and you are away. Even if it won't suit your needs (I think there is no SSL or multiple project support on the jumpbox version unless you buy a subscription), it will give you a handy taster of what you get with SVN, Apache serving SVN and Trac before going through installing it yourself. If no-one else has mentioned it... http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ I also like TortoiseSVN when using Windows. Good luck. I would also like to throw my recommendation in the hat for TortoiseSVN. Yes, it does add context menus to your explorer shell, but I find it's very easy to use... and integrated quite easily with Visual Studio 2008. As for a web front, I've been using Tomcat (Apache's answer to JSP) and a package called svnwebclient from Polarion: http://www.polarion.org/index.php?page=overviewproject=svnwebclient . Smooth interface, and it's got all of the major features you would expect from an SVN client--web app or not. HTH, Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Version Control Software
Maciek Sokolewicz wrote: David Lidstone wrote: [snip] smartSVN (www.syntevo.com) instead of TortoiseSVN. [/snip] cheers for that one; will give it a go; tortoiseSVN is 90% there but lacks something and as you say clutter's things up a bit too much. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Version Control Software
Boyd, Todd M. wrote: Having never used a revision-control solution in the past, I installed TortoiseSVN and the associated SVN Server (local-only) found on www.tigris.org . I've gotta say... it's been a breeze to setup (I used the SVN 1-Click Setup installer), and I've already migrated several of the projects I'm working on to the repository and tested extractions and versioning. Pretty slick! Indeed. Glad it's working for you! Don't forget to backup the repository regularly tho'! I can't speak for GIT... but if it's mostly command line, with 130+ switches, I think I'll pass. As I posted before, I would tend to prefer SVN for web project that include graphical churn. With git it keeps a full clone of the repository locally and thus if you've changed some large images a lot in your version history, that's a whole lot of data to keep on your local machine. With subversion it will store a little over double the data it needs to with a checkout. This is to allow offline diff'ing and reverting if you have a remote server. Personally, for me at least, SVN is much simpler and the SVN Book over at red bean is well worth a couple of hours of reading. http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ Git is great and I do love it for distributed code projects with lots of authors. But the learning curve is very steep and I still don't consider myself competent, let alone and expert at git, whereas I know svn inside out! Have fun. Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Version Control Software
Robert Cummings wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 09:43 +1000, Ross McKay wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:42:23 -0400, Benjamin Darwin wrote: [...] I'm wondering if anybody knows of a version control software program that may fit my needs. Basically, I'm looking for something that runs locally, not on the live site, that I can edit the files on the dev computer, and store old versions on the dev computer, and then just publish off of the local onto the live site whenever I need to. [...] A couple of very easy-to-use ones are Subversion and CVS. Both are very easy to use from a shell / command line, and both have nice GUIs available for both Windows and *nix. Many editors and IDEs will work with CVS directly, and some with Subversion. While I currently use CVS, I probably wouldn't choose it going forward since Subversion solves many of the problems it has... as does GIT if I recall. I'm still using CVS because it works for me and I haven't allocated the time yet to switch over. Yeah I agree here. I wouldn't use CVS on any new project. For me the choices are simple: Git or SVN. Which one would depend on the kind of project (binary data?) and the team size/independent working requirements. Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Version Control Software
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Colin Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 09:43 +1000, Ross McKay wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:42:23 -0400, Benjamin Darwin wrote: [...] I'm wondering if anybody knows of a version control software program that may fit my needs. Basically, I'm looking for something that runs locally, not on the live site, that I can edit the files on the dev computer, and store old versions on the dev computer, and then just publish off of the local onto the live site whenever I need to. [...] A couple of very easy-to-use ones are Subversion and CVS. Both are very easy to use from a shell / command line, and both have nice GUIs available for both Windows and *nix. Many editors and IDEs will work with CVS directly, and some with Subversion. While I currently use CVS, I probably wouldn't choose it going forward since Subversion solves many of the problems it has... as does GIT if I recall. I'm still using CVS because it works for me and I haven't allocated the time yet to switch over. Yeah I agree here. I wouldn't use CVS on any new project. For me the choices are simple: Git or SVN. Which one would depend on the kind of project (binary data?) and the team size/independent working requirements. Col Thanks everyone for the opinions. I'm looking into Subversion and GIT, and hopfully installating one (or both) to test later today. --Ben
RE: [PHP] Re: Version Control Software
-Original Message- From: Benjamin Darwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:05 PM To: Colin Guthrie Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Version Control Software I'm wondering if anybody knows of a version control software program that may fit my needs. Basically, I'm looking for something that runs locally, not on the live site, that I can edit the files on the dev computer, and store old versions on the dev computer, and then just publish off of the local onto the live site whenever I need to. [...] A couple of very easy-to-use ones are Subversion and CVS. Both are very easy to use from a shell / command line, and both have nice GUIs available for both Windows and *nix. Many editors and IDEs will work with CVS directly, and some with Subversion. While I currently use CVS, I probably wouldn't choose it going forward since Subversion solves many of the problems it has... as does GIT if I recall. I'm still using CVS because it works for me and I haven't allocated the time yet to switch over. Yeah I agree here. I wouldn't use CVS on any new project. For me the choices are simple: Git or SVN. Which one would depend on the kind of project (binary data?) and the team size/independent working requirements. Col Thanks everyone for the opinions. I'm looking into Subversion and GIT, and hopfully installating one (or both) to test later today. Having never used a revision-control solution in the past, I installed TortoiseSVN and the associated SVN Server (local-only) found on www.tigris.org . I've gotta say... it's been a breeze to setup (I used the SVN 1-Click Setup installer), and I've already migrated several of the projects I'm working on to the repository and tested extractions and versioning. Pretty slick! I can't speak for GIT... but if it's mostly command line, with 130+ switches, I think I'll pass. Todd Boyd Web Programmer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Version Control Software
Benjamin Darwin wrote: After reading a topic on the list here about someone losing their website, and having a minor mistake on my own that cost me a week's work on a file (basically, tested the file, then uploaded to the live site and took the daily backup off the live site.. only to find the file was messed up.. and had to go to the weekly backup off cd to recover it, losing a week of work).. I'm wondering if anybody knows of a version control software program that may fit my needs. Basically, I'm looking for something that runs locally, not on the live site, that I can edit the files on the dev computer, and store old versions on the dev computer, and then just publish off of the local onto the live site whenever I need to. Anybody have any suggestons/ideas on how this should be done, and what program is a good fit? Thanks for any help, Ben I use SVN for my local development. It is very easy I think. I use Aptana IDE which has SVN support. I use linux, but I'm sure there is SVN for winbloze. -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Version Control Software
Benjamin Darwin wrote: Anybody have any suggestons/ideas on how this should be done, and what program is a good fit? Personally I think subversion is best suited for web projects (which can have high graphics churn) and git is best suited for code projects (which have text differences). I'm really loving git the more I use it for various projects, but I really don't think I'd be bothered with it's complexity if you are new to VCS. Subversion is great. You can can either run a repository locally or remotely and check out your working copy to do the actual changes, and commit back to the repository when you are done. If you keep your repository store locally, then make sure you have a good backup policy there! Personally, I keep my subversion repository on a central server in the office. It's connected via a standard ADSL but I can SSH in from the outside world. Live servers connect directly into it to do their checkouts for actually running the site. I do this on demand so it doesn't matter if the office server is offline etc. as I just make sure it goes online before updating. That way I'll usually have a full local checkout on my dev machine, the master repository and of course the live servers. This is quite reassuring from a backup perspective :D If you do go for subversion, I can recommend Trac as an excellent web based frontend to the repository to allow you to view it nicely. It also has a wiki for keeping notes and a ticketing system; with a few plugins I wrote (WorkLogPlugin, ClientsPlugin) it is ideal for tracking time spent on various tasks for various clients in order ot issue invoices etc. As for frontends, on Winblows, Tortoise SVN is the defacto one, but if you use Eclipse there are a few options there (Subclipse and Subversive) too. HTHs Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Version Control Software
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:42:23 -0400, Benjamin Darwin wrote: [...] I'm wondering if anybody knows of a version control software program that may fit my needs. Basically, I'm looking for something that runs locally, not on the live site, that I can edit the files on the dev computer, and store old versions on the dev computer, and then just publish off of the local onto the live site whenever I need to. [...] A couple of very easy-to-use ones are Subversion and CVS. Both are very easy to use from a shell / command line, and both have nice GUIs available for both Windows and *nix. Many editors and IDEs will work with CVS directly, and some with Subversion. I chose Subversion because I was trying to move SWMBO off Windows onto Linux, and the GUIs for Subversion were similar enough and simple enough on both (TortoiseSVN on Windows, RapidSVN on Linux). Subversion has some nice options for setting up network servers if you need to go down that path too (although you probably would get by nicely using local file storage). Under Windows, TortoiseSVN comes with a pretty good diff / merge tool built-in. Under Linux, you'll want to grab Meld. If you're doing website development by yourself with no self-built common code libraries (or frameworks!) then you probably won't even need to worry about stuff like branching. If you have set up some common code libraries, then it's a good idea to look at branching so that you can support older sites on older versions of the libraries whilst further developing them for newer sites. http://subversion.tigris.org/ http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/ http://meld.sourceforge.net/ Of course, a good IT professional would probably tell you to use git, with its 132-odd shell commands... ;) -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia And don't forget ladies and gentlemen you have to buy this new thing that you don't have and if you have it well actually the new better version of the thing that you have well it just came out - Jackson Jackson -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Version Control Software
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 09:43 +1000, Ross McKay wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:42:23 -0400, Benjamin Darwin wrote: [...] I'm wondering if anybody knows of a version control software program that may fit my needs. Basically, I'm looking for something that runs locally, not on the live site, that I can edit the files on the dev computer, and store old versions on the dev computer, and then just publish off of the local onto the live site whenever I need to. [...] A couple of very easy-to-use ones are Subversion and CVS. Both are very easy to use from a shell / command line, and both have nice GUIs available for both Windows and *nix. Many editors and IDEs will work with CVS directly, and some with Subversion. While I currently use CVS, I probably wouldn't choose it going forward since Subversion solves many of the problems it has... as does GIT if I recall. I'm still using CVS because it works for me and I haven't allocated the time yet to switch over. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
