RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
I agree with Jason, Are you guys nuts? He was just trying to be cool, and in order to be cool he needed to mention: THAT WAS ME!!! He's not a hacker (hey, no offence Jonathon) ... a real hacker will never post any threaten message on a 5000 users mailing list. A beginner(amateur) hacker however will. Don't worry about him Phillip. And you Jonathon erase all these files and contact Phillip *personally* telling him more what his security wholes are, so he'll be grateful to you. Just came to my mind: my Hacking story: I once had a website which was some sort of search engine. The users were submitting their sites and we were validating for credibility. (no fancy homepages ect) One guy submitted a site which when I was validating gave a JavaScript alert. That alert had a button which when you click calls other alert and so on ... my explorer had frozen (on my old win98 1-ed), and I had to reboot my PC completely losing all unsaved data lots of it... of a project I was working for a while... Man, I got mad. I started my PC again, went to the validation section of my site and, looked at the password he inputted during the submission of his site. Guess what? It matched the password he had on his angelfire site!!! I f***ng moved all he got up there in folder called :"Do_not_do_this_anymore"! .uff. what e relieve I never contacted him of course, but I wasn't even a hacker. my sweet story "god I love to tell'em" Sincerely, Maxim Maletsky Founder, Chief Developer PHPBeginner.com (Where PHP Begins) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.phpbeginner.com -Original Message- From: Jason Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 9:11 AM To: 'rswfire'; Jonathan Sharp Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy Furthermore, below you stated I posted a URL. That URL was to a geocities.com site. That site has nothing to do with PHP and has nothing to do with my local computer. In fact, that geocities.com site only showed screenshots of what I had been working on. Obviously, it must have sparked your interest because you went to work on finding out my IP Address so that you could break into my system. One would probably guess the URL of the site you were working on was in the screenshots. You don't need to "find" an IP address at that point. Furthermore, Jonathan stated that he didn't "break into" your system - you left phpMyAdmin *wide* open, which is frankly asking for trouble. Imagine how much fun you'd have had if someone with *malicious* intent had found it. And lastly ... if he was *really* going to do anything, would he really be so stupid as to leave his commonly-known pseudonym, which can be (as you proved) easily traced back to himself? I think this whole issue has been blown out of proportion enough on the list now, and as it's no longer a PHP-related discussion I suggest you move it to private mail. And, try some valium for loss of sleep. :) Jason -- Jason Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Design Team, Melbourne IT Fetch the comfy chair! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Don't worry about him Phillip. And you Jonathon erase all these files and contact Phillip *personally* telling him more what his security wholes are, so he'll be grateful to you. Just to clear things up, my only comments mentioned that this is silly and calling someone a "hacker" publically is very bad, whether it's true or false it's still very very bad. I wasn't the crackee or cracker. So, regarding the above : s/Phillip/rswfire/g No biggy ... this whole ordeal seems over. Regards, Philip -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
rswfire,
This thread does not pertain to the php-general list anymore, nor was your
origional post. I personally emailed you OFF list and your reply was ON list
which didn't have any business with this anymore. This situation is between
you and me and i am happy to discuss anything which you would like. But
posting to the list and calling me a "hacker" is in appropriate. As well as
some of the allegations that "You did this day after day for almost five
days, sir." that is incorrect, i logged in that one friday night.
Thank you,
-Jonathan Sharp
-Original Message-
From: rswfire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 3:52 PM
To: Jonathan Sharp
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Jonathon,
I apologize for making a big deal out of this.
But to me, this is a big deal. I found your
actions very threatening. And even days later I
have actually lost sleep over it and been in a
relatively bad mood because of it.
Furthermore, below you stated I posted a URL.
That URL was to a geocities.com site. That site
has nothing to do with PHP and has nothing to do
with my local computer. In fact, that
geocities.com site only showed screenshots of
what I had been working on. Obviously, it must
have sparked your interest because you went to
work on finding out my IP Address so that you
could break into my system.
I am not a hacker. I do not try to hack and
don't know how people go about doing it. I'm a
programmer. To me, those two are very different.
A programmer is constructive. A programmer
likes to take a problem and turn it into a
solution. A programmer is creative. A
programmer has respect for other people's domains
and boundaries. A hacker is destructuve. A
hacker takes a solution and turns it into a
problem. A hacker has no respect for other
people's domain or boundaries. As you have
clearly done. You have overstepped a boundary
with me.
I did not know someone would come snooping up my
IP Address to break into my site. I did not know
it was even possible. The need to go into my
database and add your username, etc. was uncalled
for. Furthermore, you did not stop there. You
also went into my FTP site (which was empty) and
my SMTP server (which was empty) adding folders,
etc. I have full logs of your activity. You did
this day after day for almost five days, sir. I
find that uncalled for.
If you have copies of any of my files I suggest
you delete them immediately. I have Intellectual
Property rights to these files and will prosecute
you if I find out you have used them to any
means.
Again, I'm sorry for making a big deal out of
this. But it is a big deal. You have threatened
me in a very personal way.
End of Thread.
--- Jonathan Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, I just checked my mail and found this
thread... to clear this up...
In one of your posts you posed a url to a
script you were working on...and I
backed up a directory and it gave me a
directory listing...one folder was
/admin/ it gave another listing...then showed
phpMyAdmin and then it gave
your full db schema...no passwords or
anything...i was able to insert a
record...and a user to your mysql server...
password is (abc123) that's all
i did...nothing else...and i'd hardly consider
that a hack...more of a
"browse"
Cheers,
-Jonathan
aka: "Codeboy the *dangerous* hacker"
-Original Message-
From: Philip Olson
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:24 PM
To: James, Yz
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
True, but none of which are applicable to
me, as I've not
slandered, defamed
or spoofed anything or anyone. As far as
hacking is concerned,
I wouldn't
know my arse from my elbow :)
just a fyi, my post had nothing to do with
you. or the other james (which
that line you're referring too had to do
with) but rather, that of the
person in question ("hacker"). but anyway,
let's let this thread die.
it's time.
Philip
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RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Furthermore, below you stated I posted a URL. That URL was to a geocities.com site. That site has nothing to do with PHP and has nothing to do with my local computer. In fact, that geocities.com site only showed screenshots of what I had been working on. Obviously, it must have sparked your interest because you went to work on finding out my IP Address so that you could break into my system. One would probably guess the URL of the site you were working on was in the screenshots. You don't need to "find" an IP address at that point. Furthermore, Jonathan stated that he didn't "break into" your system - you left phpMyAdmin *wide* open, which is frankly asking for trouble. Imagine how much fun you'd have had if someone with *malicious* intent had found it. And lastly ... if he was *really* going to do anything, would he really be so stupid as to leave his commonly-known pseudonym, which can be (as you proved) easily traced back to himself? I think this whole issue has been blown out of proportion enough on the list now, and as it's no longer a PHP-related discussion I suggest you move it to private mail. And, try some valium for loss of sleep. :) Jason -- Jason Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Design Team, Melbourne IT Fetch the comfy chair! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 03:51:33PM -0800, rswfire wrote: I am not a hacker. I do not try to hack and don't know how people go about doing it. I'm a programmer. To me, those two are very different. A programmer is constructive. A programmer likes to take a problem and turn it into a solution. A programmer is creative. A programmer has respect for other people's domains and boundaries. A hacker is destructuve. A hacker takes a solution and turns it into a problem. A hacker has no respect for other people's domain or boundaries. As you have clearly done. You have overstepped a boundary with me. I feel compelled to repost this, because you seem to have the right principles in mind, but the wrong term. I realize it's usually viewed as useless nitpicking to point this out, but it seems appropriate in this context to stress the misconception of what a hacker is. So if you have a free moment, please do read over some of the well-written explanations about where the word comes from, and what it stands for. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/hacker.html http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/hacker-ethic.html http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/cracker.html Your description of a programmer does fit well with who a hacker really is, so I'm sure you would appreciate what they have to say. There is, of course, a great wealth of writing on the topic, the links above are simply succinct definitions. For more in depth discussion, I'd suggest browsing the bibliography included in the jargon file, which includes excellent works, both fiction and non-fiction, relating to the subject. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/Bibliography.html Matt -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
What does that do? ""Jonathan Sharp"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... : P.S. in your phpMyAdmin config.inc.php file line 13 set: : $cfgServers[1]['adv_auth'] = true; : then you won't have any problems... : : -codeboy : : -Original Message- : From: rswfire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] : Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:20 PM : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy : : : Whatever, James. : : The hackers name is Jonathan Sharp. He is a : regular member of this mailing list. I do : believe that people here would like to know they : have a hacker on their hands, don't you think? : It would appear the friendly Jonathan has another : side to himself... : : Codeboy: : Jonathan Sharp : Director of Technology - Imprev Inc. : Renwick Development Group - Flyerware : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : --- James Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : :Today I noticed an entry in my database with : the :username "codeboy" and the password "hacked" : in :one of the authorization tables I have : created. :I am shocked that someone could be so : malicious :and insensitive! I am programming locally; I :realize there may be some security :vulnerabilities during this time, but when I : go :live with my network this will not be the : case. :If any further attempts are made to hack into : my :system I will clearly take the time to : retaliate :against you. Let this be your only warning. : : : This is not the place to take these issues up. : Please email privatly and : complain to the appropriate authrities, the : PHP-General list is not the : place for this. : : James : -- : James Moore : PHP QA Team : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : = : = : [ rswfire ] : :http://rswfire.swifte.net/ :http://profiles.yahoo.com/rswfire : : = : : __ : Do You Yahoo!? : Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 : a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ : : : : -- : PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) : To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
LOLOL
Ya know, I get half of my business this way... they think they don't want
me to fix there site... until I send them their database dump and passwords
retrieved from invalid form checks or unsecured image directories...
Jonathan actually did this guy a favor, an embarrassing favor, but it
wouldn't have been if he had gone the right path with his complaint.
Wait, isn't that 2 lessons?
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Sharp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 7:15 PM
To: Philip Olson; James, Yz
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Ok, I just checked my mail and found this thread... to clear this up...
In one of your posts you posed a url to a script you were working on...and I
backed up a directory and it gave me a directory listing...one folder was
/admin/ it gave another listing...then showed phpMyAdmin and then it gave
your full db schema...no passwords or anything...i was able to insert a
record...and a user to your mysql server... password is (abc123) that's all
i did...nothing else...and i'd hardly consider that a hack...more of a
"browse"
Cheers,
-Jonathan
aka: "Codeboy the *dangerous* hacker"
-Original Message-
From: Philip Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:24 PM
To: James, Yz
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
True, but none of which are applicable to me, as I've not
slandered, defamed
or spoofed anything or anyone. As far as hacking is concerned,
I wouldn't
know my arse from my elbow :)
just a fyi, my post had nothing to do with you. or the other james (which
that line you're referring too had to do with) but rather, that of the
person in question ("hacker"). but anyway, let's let this thread die.
it's time.
Philip
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[PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Today I noticed an entry in my database with the username "codeboy" and the password "hacked" in one of the authorization tables I have created. I am shocked that someone could be so malicious and insensitive! I am programming locally; I realize there may be some security vulnerabilities during this time, but when I go live with my network this will not be the case. If any further attempts are made to hack into my system I will clearly take the time to retaliate against you. Let this be your only warning. = = [ rswfire ] http://rswfire.swifte.net/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/rswfire = __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Whatever, James. The hackers name is Jonathan Sharp. He is a regular member of this mailing list. I do believe that people here would like to know they have a hacker on their hands, don't you think? It would appear the friendly Jonathan has another side to himself... Codeboy: Jonathan Sharp Director of Technology - Imprev Inc. Renwick Development Group - Flyerware [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- James Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I noticed an entry in my database with the username "codeboy" and the password "hacked" in one of the authorization tables I have created. I am shocked that someone could be so malicious and insensitive! I am programming locally; I realize there may be some security vulnerabilities during this time, but when I go live with my network this will not be the case. If any further attempts are made to hack into my system I will clearly take the time to retaliate against you. Let this be your only warning. This is not the place to take these issues up. Please email privatly and complain to the appropriate authrities, the PHP-General list is not the place for this. James -- James Moore PHP QA Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = [ rswfire ] http://rswfire.swifte.net/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/rswfire = __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Many hackers now go about their business to notify (or even test) administrators whether or not they've been up to no good. It's possible that you've mis-construed what he was up to. Nevertheless, your complaints should really go to the correct authorities (your server, the "hacker" and if necessary, beyond that), as opposed to questions, which might include "I've got a security problem with PHP, what can I do about it?" James. The hackers name is Jonathan Sharp. He is a regular member of this mailing list. I do believe that people here would like to know they have a hacker on their hands, don't you think? It would appear the friendly Jonathan has another side to himself... Codeboy: Jonathan Sharp Director of Technology - Imprev Inc. Renwick Development Group - Flyerware [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- James Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I noticed an entry in my database with the username "codeboy" and the password "hacked" in one of the authorization tables I have created. I am shocked that someone could be so malicious and insensitive! I am programming locally; I realize there may be some security vulnerabilities during this time, but when I go live with my network this will not be the case. If any further attempts are made to hack into my system I will clearly take the time to retaliate against you. Let this be your only warning. This is not the place to take these issues up. Please email privatly and complain to the appropriate authrities, the PHP-General list is not the place for this. James -- James Moore PHP QA Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = [ rswfire ] http://rswfire.swifte.net/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/rswfire = __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Whatever, James. Also, consider this word : sue As well as : defamation of character And also : Libel and Slander And lastly : Spoof All should be considered before posting anything anywhere. Especially a public mailing list. It's important to be careful with this sort of thing, even if it's blindingly true ... Regards, Philip -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 03:19:52PM -0800, rswfire wrote: Whatever, James. The hackers name is Jonathan Sharp. He is a regular member of this mailing list. I do believe that people here would like to know they have a hacker on their hands, don't you think? http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/hacker.html http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/cracker.html Matt -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Whatever, James. Also, consider this word : sue As well as : defamation of character And also : Libel and Slander And lastly : Spoof All should be considered before posting anything anywhere. Especially a public mailing list. It's important to be careful with this sort of thing, even if it's blindingly true ... True, but none of which are applicable to me, as I've not slandered, defamed or spoofed anything or anyone. As far as hacking is concerned, I wouldn't know my arse from my elbow :) James -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Your momma pays full commission! (sorry, couldn't resist) As far as hacking is concerned, I wouldn't know my arse from my elbow :) James -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
True, but none of which are applicable to me, as I've not slandered, defamed
or spoofed anything or anyone. As far as hacking is concerned, I wouldn't
know my arse from my elbow :)
just a fyi, my post had nothing to do with you. or the other james (which
that line you're referring too had to do with) but rather, that of the
person in question ("hacker"). but anyway, let's let this thread die.
it's time.
Philip
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RE: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
Ok, I just checked my mail and found this thread... to clear this up...
In one of your posts you posed a url to a script you were working on...and I
backed up a directory and it gave me a directory listing...one folder was
/admin/ it gave another listing...then showed phpMyAdmin and then it gave
your full db schema...no passwords or anything...i was able to insert a
record...and a user to your mysql server... password is (abc123) that's all
i did...nothing else...and i'd hardly consider that a hack...more of a
"browse"
Cheers,
-Jonathan
aka: "Codeboy the *dangerous* hacker"
-Original Message-
From: Philip Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:24 PM
To: James, Yz
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] To The Hacker: CodeBoy
True, but none of which are applicable to me, as I've not
slandered, defamed
or spoofed anything or anyone. As far as hacking is concerned,
I wouldn't
know my arse from my elbow :)
just a fyi, my post had nothing to do with you. or the other james (which
that line you're referring too had to do with) but rather, that of the
person in question ("hacker"). but anyway, let's let this thread die.
it's time.
Philip
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