[PHP] DateTime wierdness
Can someone explain to me this weierdness I see when using the
DateTime module of PHP.
Here I send 14/14/2012 which is not a valid date, and I would expect
to recieve false, but instead, it looks like it wrapping to the next
year, as if 14 monthas are 1 year and 2 months. That isn't what's
supposed to happen, or is it?
$ echo ?php var_dump(DateTime::createFromFormat('j/n/Y',
'14/14/2012')); ? |php
object(DateTime)#1 (3) {
[date]=
string(19) 2013-02-14 13:20:22
[timezone_type]=
int(3)
[timezone]=
string(20) America/Buenos_Aires
}
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Re: [PHP] DateTime wierdness
echo date(m-d-y,mktime(0, 0, 0, 14, 14, 2012));
this outputs 02-14-13 also so my guess is that it is being interpreted
the same as 12/14/2012 +2 months
echo date(m-d-y,mktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 45, 2012)); outputs
02-14-12
which is 1/1/12 +45 days
2012/3/29 Martín Marqués martin.marq...@gmail.com
Can someone explain to me this weierdness I see when using the
DateTime module of PHP.
Here I send 14/14/2012 which is not a valid date, and I would expect
to recieve false, but instead, it looks like it wrapping to the next
year, as if 14 monthas are 1 year and 2 months. That isn't what's
supposed to happen, or is it?
$ echo ?php var_dump(DateTime::createFromFormat('j/n/Y',
'14/14/2012')); ? |php
object(DateTime)#1 (3) {
[date]=
string(19) 2013-02-14 13:20:22
[timezone_type]=
int(3)
[timezone]=
string(20) America/Buenos_Aires
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Re: [PHP] DateTime wierdness
OK. So what would be a good way to validate a date?
El día 29 de marzo de 2012 14:04, David OBrien dgobr...@gmail.com escribió:
echo date(m-d-y,mktime(0, 0, 0, 14, 14, 2012));
this outputs 02-14-13 also so my guess is that it is being interpreted the
same as 12/14/2012 +2 months
echo date(m-d-y,mktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 45, 2012)); outputs
02-14-12
which is 1/1/12 +45 days
2012/3/29 Martín Marqués martin.marq...@gmail.com
Can someone explain to me this weierdness I see when using the
DateTime module of PHP.
Here I send 14/14/2012 which is not a valid date, and I would expect
to recieve false, but instead, it looks like it wrapping to the next
year, as if 14 monthas are 1 year and 2 months. That isn't what's
supposed to happen, or is it?
$ echo ?php var_dump(DateTime::createFromFormat('j/n/Y',
'14/14/2012')); ? |php
object(DateTime)#1 (3) {
[date]=
string(19) 2013-02-14 13:20:22
[timezone_type]=
int(3)
[timezone]=
string(20) America/Buenos_Aires
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Re: [PHP] DateTime wierdness
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.checkdate.php
2012/3/29 Martín Marqués martin.marq...@gmail.com
OK. So what would be a good way to validate a date?
El día 29 de marzo de 2012 14:04, David OBrien dgobr...@gmail.com
escribió:
echo date(m-d-y,mktime(0, 0, 0, 14, 14, 2012));
this outputs 02-14-13 also so my guess is that it is being interpreted
the
same as 12/14/2012 +2 months
echo date(m-d-y,mktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 45, 2012)); outputs
02-14-12
which is 1/1/12 +45 days
2012/3/29 Martín Marqués martin.marq...@gmail.com
Can someone explain to me this weierdness I see when using the
DateTime module of PHP.
Here I send 14/14/2012 which is not a valid date, and I would expect
to recieve false, but instead, it looks like it wrapping to the next
year, as if 14 monthas are 1 year and 2 months. That isn't what's
supposed to happen, or is it?
$ echo ?php var_dump(DateTime::createFromFormat('j/n/Y',
'14/14/2012')); ? |php
object(DateTime)#1 (3) {
[date]=
string(19) 2013-02-14 13:20:22
[timezone_type]=
int(3)
[timezone]=
string(20) America/Buenos_Aires
}
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Re: [PHP] DateTime wierdness
actually this would work well ... compare what they send with the output of
the formatdate
function checkDateTime($data) {
if (date('Y-m-d H:i:s', strtotime($data)) == $data) {
return true;
} else {
return false;
}
}
2012/3/29 David OBrien dgobr...@gmail.com
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.checkdate.php
2012/3/29 Martín Marqués martin.marq...@gmail.com
OK. So what would be a good way to validate a date?
El día 29 de marzo de 2012 14:04, David OBrien dgobr...@gmail.com
escribió:
echo date(m-d-y,mktime(0, 0, 0, 14, 14, 2012));
this outputs 02-14-13 also so my guess is that it is being
interpreted the
same as 12/14/2012 +2 months
echo date(m-d-y,mktime(0, 0, 0, 1, 45, 2012)); outputs
02-14-12
which is 1/1/12 +45 days
2012/3/29 Martín Marqués martin.marq...@gmail.com
Can someone explain to me this weierdness I see when using the
DateTime module of PHP.
Here I send 14/14/2012 which is not a valid date, and I would expect
to recieve false, but instead, it looks like it wrapping to the next
year, as if 14 monthas are 1 year and 2 months. That isn't what's
supposed to happen, or is it?
$ echo ?php var_dump(DateTime::createFromFormat('j/n/Y',
'14/14/2012')); ? |php
object(DateTime)#1 (3) {
[date]=
string(19) 2013-02-14 13:20:22
[timezone_type]=
int(3)
[timezone]=
string(20) America/Buenos_Aires
}
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Re: [PHP] DateTime wierdness
El día 29 de marzo de 2012 14:14, David OBrien dgobr...@gmail.com escribió:
actually this would work well ... compare what they send with the output of
the formatdate
function checkDateTime($data) {
if (date('Y-m-d H:i:s', strtotime($data)) == $data) {
return true;
} else {
return false;
}
}
Well, I did somethin similar...
$arDate = explode(/, $nacimiento);
if(!checkdate($arDate[1], $arDate[0], $arDate[2]))
$nacimiento = '';
Just need to set the variable $nacimiento to the empty string if it's
not a valid date.
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Re: [PHP] DateTime wierdness
2012/3/29 Martín Marqués martin.marq...@gmail.com:
El día 29 de marzo de 2012 14:14, David OBrien dgobr...@gmail.com escribió:
actually this would work well ... compare what they send with the output of
the formatdate
function checkDateTime($data) {
if (date('Y-m-d H:i:s', strtotime($data)) == $data) {
return true;
} else {
return false;
}
}
Well, I did somethin similar...
$arDate = explode(/, $nacimiento);
if(!checkdate($arDate[1], $arDate[0], $arDate[2]))
$nacimiento = '';
Just need to set the variable $nacimiento to the empty string if it's
not a valid date.
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I don't know how it came to be, but a lot of people rely on this
behaviour. It does make sense if you squint at it a bit -- trust that
the programmer meant what they said and deliver something useful,
leave error checking up to the programmer. I'm a bit ambivalent about
it, personally, but the way it's implemented does seem more flexible.
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Re: [PHP] DateTime using DateTimeZone Timestamp problem
On 5/04/2011, at 3:35 AM, Ian wrote:
Hi,
I have a problem using the php built in classes DateTime and DateTimeZone.
The idea behind the following code is to return the timestamp for the
current time in Singapore (or other places). What it actually returns
is the timestamp for the local system. Other formatted dates appear to
return correctly, which is why I am puzzled.
I am using the latest php 5.3.6 compiled from source on a OpenVZ CentOS
container. All packages are up to date.
Am I doing something wrong or is this a bug?
I can workaround this problem my parsing the correctly formatted date
using strtotime() but I would like to know what's going on.
This is the output of the script:
Current time in Asia/Singapore is 2011-04-04 23:32:36
Timestamp for Asia/Singapore is 1301931156
Date created from previous timestamp is 2011-04-04 16:32:36
The code is :
?php
$timezone=Asia/Singapore;
# Create Timezone object
$remote_timezone = new DateTimeZone($timezone);
# Create datetime object
$remote_time = new DateTime(now , $remote_timezone);
# Print the date
print Current time in {$timezone} ;
print is {$remote_time-format(Y-m-d H:i:s)}br/;
# Print the timestamp
print Timestamp for {$timezone} ;
print is {$remote_time-format(U)}br /;
# Get the timestamp and create a date from it
$timestamp = (int)$remote_time-format(U);
# Show the formatted date created from timestamp
print Date created from previous timestamp is ;
print date(Y-m-d H:i:s,$timestamp).br/;
?
May I suggest including the timezone in your date format (O or e)? It may show
the two date strings to be equivalent.
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Re: [PHP] DateTime using DateTimeZone Timestamp problem
On 4 April 2011 16:35, Ian php_l...@fishnet.co.uk wrote:
Hi,
I have a problem using the php built in classes DateTime and DateTimeZone.
The idea behind the following code is to return the timestamp for the
current time in Singapore (or other places). What it actually returns
is the timestamp for the local system. Other formatted dates appear to
return correctly, which is why I am puzzled.
I am using the latest php 5.3.6 compiled from source on a OpenVZ CentOS
container. All packages are up to date.
Am I doing something wrong or is this a bug?
I can workaround this problem my parsing the correctly formatted date
using strtotime() but I would like to know what's going on.
This is the output of the script:
Current time in Asia/Singapore is 2011-04-04 23:32:36
Timestamp for Asia/Singapore is 1301931156
Date created from previous timestamp is 2011-04-04 16:32:36
The code is :
?php
$timezone=Asia/Singapore;
# Create Timezone object
$remote_timezone = new DateTimeZone($timezone);
# Create datetime object
$remote_time = new DateTime(now , $remote_timezone);
# Print the date
print Current time in {$timezone} ;
print is {$remote_time-format(Y-m-d H:i:s)}br/;
# Print the timestamp
print Timestamp for {$timezone} ;
print is {$remote_time-format(U)}br /;
# Get the timestamp and create a date from it
$timestamp = (int)$remote_time-format(U);
# Show the formatted date created from timestamp
print Date created from previous timestamp is ;
print date(Y-m-d H:i:s,$timestamp).br/;
?
Timestamps (the integer value) do not hold the timezone data.
Internally, the value represents a number of milliseconds from a point
in time.
So saying timestamp for Asia/Singapore isn't right. It is just Timestamp.
The following script (http://pastebin.com/0MQAaYUq) may show you in a
more concrete way ...
?php
$a_Times = array(
'now',
'2011-03-27 00:59:59',
'2011-03-27 02:00:00',
);
// Create Timezone objects
$a_Timezones = array(
'Singapore' = new DateTimeZone('Asia/Singapore'),
'NewYork ' = new DateTimeZone('America/New_York'),
'London ' = new DateTimeZone('Europe/London'),
'UTC ' = new DateTimeZone('UTC'),
);
foreach($a_Times as $s_Time) {
echo 'Time : ', $s_Time, PHP_EOL;
// Create datetime objects
$a_DateTimes = array();
foreach($a_Timezones as $s_Timezone = $tz_Timezone) {
$a_DateTimes[$s_Timezone] = new DateTime($s_Time ,
$tz_Timezone);
}
// Print the date
foreach($a_DateTimes as $s_Timezone = $dt_DateTime) {
echo
'Current time in ', $s_Timezone, ' : ',
$dt_DateTime-format(DateTime::RSS),
' Offset : ', str_pad($dt_DateTime-getOffset(), 6, '
', STR_PAD_LEFT),
' Timestamp : ', ($i_Timestamp =
$dt_DateTime-getTimestamp()),
' Local : ', date(DateTime::RSS, $i_Timestamp),
PHP_EOL;
}
echo PHP_EOL;
}
?
outputs (http://pastebin.com/mETSbR7h) ...
Time : now
Current time in Singapore : Tue, 05 Apr 2011 17:56:32 +0800 Offset :
28800 Timestamp : 1301997392 Local : Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:56:32
+0100
Current time in NewYork : Tue, 05 Apr 2011 05:56:32 -0400 Offset :
-14400 Timestamp : 1301997392 Local : Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:56:32
+0100
Current time in London: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:56:32 +0100 Offset :
3600 Timestamp : 1301997392 Local : Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:56:32
+0100
Current time in UTC : Tue, 05 Apr 2011 09:56:32 + Offset :
0 Timestamp : 1301997392 Local : Tue, 05 Apr 2011 10:56:32
+0100
Time : 2011-03-27 00:59:59
Current time in Singapore : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:59:59 +0800 Offset :
28800 Timestamp : 1301158799 Local : Sat, 26 Mar 2011 16:59:59
+
Current time in NewYork : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:59:59 -0400 Offset :
-14400 Timestamp : 1301201999 Local : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 05:59:59
+0100
Current time in London: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:59:59 + Offset :
0 Timestamp : 1301187599 Local : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:59:59
+
Current time in UTC : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:59:59 + Offset :
0 Timestamp : 1301187599 Local : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:59:59
+
Time : 2011-03-27 02:00:00
Current time in Singapore : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:00:00 +0800 Offset :
28800 Timestamp : 1301162400 Local : Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:00:00
+
Current time in NewYork : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:00:00 -0400 Offset :
-14400 Timestamp : 1301205600 Local : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:00:00
+0100
Current time in London: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:00:00 +0100 Offset :
3600 Timestamp : 1301187600 Local : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:00:00
+0100
Current time in UTC : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:00:00 + Offset :
0 Timestamp : 1301191200 Local : Sun, 27 Mar 2011 03:00:00
+0100
Getting the the timestamp for a DateTime object
[PHP] DateTime using DateTimeZone Timestamp problem
Hi,
I have a problem using the php built in classes DateTime and DateTimeZone.
The idea behind the following code is to return the timestamp for the
current time in Singapore (or other places). What it actually returns
is the timestamp for the local system. Other formatted dates appear to
return correctly, which is why I am puzzled.
I am using the latest php 5.3.6 compiled from source on a OpenVZ CentOS
container. All packages are up to date.
Am I doing something wrong or is this a bug?
I can workaround this problem my parsing the correctly formatted date
using strtotime() but I would like to know what's going on.
This is the output of the script:
Current time in Asia/Singapore is 2011-04-04 23:32:36
Timestamp for Asia/Singapore is 1301931156
Date created from previous timestamp is 2011-04-04 16:32:36
The code is :
?php
$timezone=Asia/Singapore;
# Create Timezone object
$remote_timezone= new DateTimeZone($timezone);
# Create datetime object
$remote_time= new DateTime(now , $remote_timezone);
# Print the date
print Current time in {$timezone} ;
print is {$remote_time-format(Y-m-d H:i:s)}br/;
# Print the timestamp
print Timestamp for {$timezone} ;
print is {$remote_time-format(U)}br /;
# Get the timestamp and create a date from it
$timestamp = (int)$remote_time-format(U);
# Show the formatted date created from timestamp
print Date created from previous timestamp is ;
print date(Y-m-d H:i:s,$timestamp).br/;
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Re: [PHP] DateTime using DateTimeZone Timestamp problem
On Mon, 2011-04-04 at 16:35 +0100, Ian wrote:
Hi,
I have a problem using the php built in classes DateTime and DateTimeZone.
The idea behind the following code is to return the timestamp for the
current time in Singapore (or other places). What it actually returns
is the timestamp for the local system. Other formatted dates appear to
return correctly, which is why I am puzzled.
I am using the latest php 5.3.6 compiled from source on a OpenVZ CentOS
container. All packages are up to date.
Am I doing something wrong or is this a bug?
I can workaround this problem my parsing the correctly formatted date
using strtotime() but I would like to know what's going on.
This is the output of the script:
Current time in Asia/Singapore is 2011-04-04 23:32:36
Timestamp for Asia/Singapore is 1301931156
Date created from previous timestamp is 2011-04-04 16:32:36
The code is :
?php
$timezone=Asia/Singapore;
# Create Timezone object
$remote_timezone = new DateTimeZone($timezone);
# Create datetime object
$remote_time = new DateTime(now , $remote_timezone);
# Print the date
print Current time in {$timezone} ;
print is {$remote_time-format(Y-m-d H:i:s)}br/;
# Print the timestamp
print Timestamp for {$timezone} ;
print is {$remote_time-format(U)}br /;
# Get the timestamp and create a date from it
$timestamp = (int)$remote_time-format(U);
# Show the formatted date created from timestamp
print Date created from previous timestamp is ;
print date(Y-m-d H:i:s,$timestamp).br/;
?
What do you mean it only returns the timestamp for the local system? Did
you want PHP to know what time the visitors are on? PHP won't know about
that, all you can do is set the timezone for the script based on some
information you're receiving from a clients machine, otherwise PHP won't
know, because it's only run on the server and doesn't know about the
client machines? Is this what you're trying to do, or did I
misunderstand?
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] DateTime... What else ?
On 17 Apr 2008, at 10:05, David BERCOT wrote: I've got a problem with DateTime. I have a short code which gives an error : CODE $date = new DateTime(date(d/m/Y)); $date-modify(-1 month); $mois_en_cours1 = $date-format(Y-m); $date-modify(-1 month); $mois_en_cours2 = $date-format(Y-m); $date-modify(-1 month); $mois_en_cours3 = $date-format(Y-m); /CODE ERROR bFatal error/b: Class 'DateTime' not found in b/var/www2/dacg_visio/index.html/b on line b244/bbr / /ERROR If I look at the documentation : http://fr3.php.net/manual/fr/function.date-modify.php it seems to work if PHP version is above 5.1.0 (I am in 5.1.6 !). Do you have any idea about this error (Debian/Apache2) ? Do you have another way to obtain $mois_en_cours1, 2, 3 without DateTime ? Pre-5.2 you need to explicitly say you want the DateTime class. See the note on this page: http://fr3.php.net/manual/fr/datetime.installation.php Also note that it's experimental at the moment and therefore not recommended for production usage. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] DateTime... What else ?
On 17/04/2008, at 9:05, David BERCOT wrote:
Hi,
I've got a problem with DateTime. I have a short code which gives an
error :
CODE
$date = new DateTime(date(d/m/Y));
$date-modify(-1 month);
$mois_en_cours1 = $date-format(Y-m);
$date-modify(-1 month);
$mois_en_cours2 = $date-format(Y-m);
$date-modify(-1 month);
$mois_en_cours3 = $date-format(Y-m);
/CODE
ERROR
bFatal error/b: Class 'DateTime' not found in
b/var/www2/dacg_visio/index.html/b on line b244/bbr /
/ERROR
If I look at the documentation :
http://fr3.php.net/manual/fr/function.date-modify.php
it seems to work if PHP version is above 5.1.0 (I am in 5.1.6 !).
Do you have any idea about this error (Debian/Apache2) ?
Do you have another way to obtain $mois_en_cours1, 2, 3 without
DateTime ?
Thank you very much.
David.
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?php
$mois_en_cours1 = date('Y-m', strtotime('-1 month'));
$mois_en_cours2 = date('Y-m', strtotime('-2 month'));
$mois_en_cours3 = date('Y-m', strtotime('-3 month'));
?
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[PHP] DateTime... What else ?
Hi, I've got a problem with DateTime. I have a short code which gives an error : CODE $date = new DateTime(date(d/m/Y)); $date-modify(-1 month); $mois_en_cours1 = $date-format(Y-m); $date-modify(-1 month); $mois_en_cours2 = $date-format(Y-m); $date-modify(-1 month); $mois_en_cours3 = $date-format(Y-m); /CODE ERROR bFatal error/b: Class 'DateTime' not found in b/var/www2/dacg_visio/index.html/b on line b244/bbr / /ERROR If I look at the documentation : http://fr3.php.net/manual/fr/function.date-modify.php it seems to work if PHP version is above 5.1.0 (I am in 5.1.6 !). Do you have any idea about this error (Debian/Apache2) ? Do you have another way to obtain $mois_en_cours1, 2, 3 without DateTime ? Thank you very much. David. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] DateTime... What else ?
Hi again,
Le Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:10:44 +1200,
Simon Welsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
On 17/04/2008, at 9:05, David BERCOT wrote:
Hi,
I've got a problem with DateTime. I have a short code which gives an
error :
CODE
$date = new DateTime(date(d/m/Y));
$date-modify(-1 month);
$mois_en_cours1 = $date-format(Y-m);
$date-modify(-1 month);
$mois_en_cours2 = $date-format(Y-m);
$date-modify(-1 month);
$mois_en_cours3 = $date-format(Y-m);
/CODE
ERROR
bFatal error/b: Class 'DateTime' not found in
b/var/www2/dacg_visio/index.html/b on line b244/bbr /
/ERROR
If I look at the documentation :
http://fr3.php.net/manual/fr/function.date-modify.php
it seems to work if PHP version is above 5.1.0 (I am in 5.1.6 !).
Do you have any idea about this error (Debian/Apache2) ?
Do you have another way to obtain $mois_en_cours1, 2, 3 without
DateTime ?
Thank you very much.
David.
?php
$mois_en_cours1 = date('Y-m', strtotime('-1 month'));
$mois_en_cours2 = date('Y-m', strtotime('-2 month'));
$mois_en_cours3 = date('Y-m', strtotime('-3 month'));
?
Great ;-)
Thank you very much !
David.
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Re: [PHP] DateTime... What else ?
Le Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:19:10 +0100, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On 17 Apr 2008, at 10:05, David BERCOT wrote: I've got a problem with DateTime. I have a short code which gives an error : CODE $date = new DateTime(date(d/m/Y)); $date-modify(-1 month); $mois_en_cours1 = $date-format(Y-m); $date-modify(-1 month); $mois_en_cours2 = $date-format(Y-m); $date-modify(-1 month); $mois_en_cours3 = $date-format(Y-m); /CODE ERROR bFatal error/b: Class 'DateTime' not found in b/var/www2/dacg_visio/index.html/b on line b244/bbr / /ERROR If I look at the documentation : http://fr3.php.net/manual/fr/function.date-modify.php it seems to work if PHP version is above 5.1.0 (I am in 5.1.6 !). Do you have any idea about this error (Debian/Apache2) ? Do you have another way to obtain $mois_en_cours1, 2, 3 without DateTime ? Pre-5.2 you need to explicitly say you want the DateTime class. See the note on this page: http://fr3.php.net/manual/fr/datetime.installation.php Also note that it's experimental at the moment and therefore not recommended for production usage. OK. So, my error is normal !!! Thank you very much. David. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] DATETIME or UNIX TIMESTAMPS?
Hello list, I've always used Unix Timestamps until now, but lately I've reading about MySQL's datetime datatype and its benefits (dates before 1970, after 2030, SQL functions to deal with them, etc). However, I don't see much support for them in the PHP API. I'm also a Flash programmer and the Flash 8 API Date datatype also only understands unix timestamps. Taking this into account, I'm not really sure if it really worths it to move to the DATETIME datatype. What would you do? Any advice would be much appreciated! Marcelo.
Re: [PHP] DATETIME or UNIX TIMESTAMPS?
On Thursday 26 October 2006 15:36, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Hello list, I've always used Unix Timestamps until now, but lately I've reading about MySQL's datetime datatype and its benefits (dates before 1970, after 2030, SQL functions to deal with them, etc). However, I don't see much support for them in the PHP API. I'm also a Flash programmer and the Flash 8 API Date datatype also only understands unix timestamps. Taking this into account, I'm not really sure if it really worths it to move to the DATETIME datatype. What would you do? Any advice would be much appreciated! Marcelo. I tend to stick to unix timestamps as well, because date formats are completely unstandard between different SQL databases. MySQL's date futzing functions are nice, but they're different than Postgres', which are different than Oracle's, etc. Generally, most of the the math I need to do I can do in PHP either before or after grabbing the timestamp. I am sure there is a counter point, but this for what I do I just stick to timestamps. :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] datetime formatting problem
hi all -
this is probably straight forward, but i'm learning and would appreciate
any insight.
i'm using the datetime type in mysql and have been able to successsfully
pull the data records's date, but it's failing out and giving me the
current time [as in what it says on my system's clock]
basically i'm just spitting out all the rows to an html table and would
like to have the date AND time formatted as is in the date(...) function
at the top of the code demo.
thanks!
matt
/ begin code demo
function formatDate($val)
{
$arr = explode(-, $val);
return date(M d, Y g:i A, mktime(0,0,0, $arr[1], $arr[2], $arr[0]));
}
// open database connection
$connection = mysql_connect($host, $user, $pass) or die (Unable to
connect!);
// select database
mysql_select_db($db) or die (Unable to select database!);
// generate and execute query
$query = SELECT * FROM outdoor ORDER BY id ASC;
$result = mysql_query($query) or die (Error in query: $query. .
mysql_error());
// if records present
if (mysql_num_rows($result) 0)
{
// iterate through resultset
// print title with links to edit and delete scripts
while($row = mysql_fetch_object($result))
{
?
tr
td? echo $row-id; ?/td
td? echo $row-name; ?/td
tda href=mailto:? echo $row-email; ?? echo
$row-email; ?/a/td
td? echo $row-zip ?/td
td? echo formatDate($row-date); ?/td
td? echo $row-club_member ?/td
td? echo $row-driver ?/td
!-- tdfont size=-1? echo $row-active ?/font/td --
tdcentera href=edit.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img
src=notepad.gif alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a nbsp;
a href=delete.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img src=trashcan.gif
alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a/center/td
/tr
?
}
}
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Re: [PHP] datetime formatting problem
Isn't date a reserved word?
hi all -
this is probably straight forward, but i'm learning and would appreciate
any insight.
i'm using the datetime type in mysql and have been able to successsfully
pull the data records's date, but it's failing out and giving me the
current time [as in what it says on my system's clock]
basically i'm just spitting out all the rows to an html table and would
like to have the date AND time formatted as is in the date(...) function
at the top of the code demo.
thanks!
matt
/ begin code demo
function formatDate($val)
{
$arr = explode(-, $val);
return date(M d, Y g:i A, mktime(0,0,0, $arr[1], $arr[2], $arr[0]));
}
// open database connection
$connection = mysql_connect($host, $user, $pass) or die (Unable to
connect!);
// select database
mysql_select_db($db) or die (Unable to select database!);
// generate and execute query
$query = SELECT * FROM outdoor ORDER BY id ASC;
$result = mysql_query($query) or die (Error in query: $query. .
mysql_error());
// if records present
if (mysql_num_rows($result) 0)
{
// iterate through resultset
// print title with links to edit and delete scripts
while($row = mysql_fetch_object($result))
{
?
tr
td? echo $row-id; ?/td
td? echo $row-name; ?/td
tda href=mailto:? echo $row-email; ?? echo
$row-email; ?/a/td
td? echo $row-zip ?/td
td? echo formatDate($row-date); ?/td
td? echo $row-club_member ?/td
td? echo $row-driver ?/td
!-- tdfont size=-1? echo $row-active ?/font/td --
tdcentera href=edit.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img
src=notepad.gif alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a
a href=delete.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img src=trashcan.gif
alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a/center/td
/tr
?
}
}
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Re: [PHP] datetime formatting problem
Daniel Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Isn't date a reserved word?
date and dateTime are not reserved in MySQL and can be used as column names.
hi all -
this is probably straight forward, but i'm learning and would appreciate
any insight.
i'm using the datetime type in mysql and have been able to successsfully
pull the data records's date, but it's failing out and giving me the
current time [as in what it says on my system's clock]
basically i'm just spitting out all the rows to an html table and would
like to have the date AND time formatted as is in the date(...) function
at the top of the code demo.
thanks!
matt
/ begin code demo
function formatDate($val)
{
$arr = explode(-, $val);
return date(M d, Y g:i A, mktime(0,0,0, $arr[1], $arr[2], $arr[0]));
}
Hi Matt,
try this:
function formatDate($val) {
$timestamp = strtotime($val);
return date('M d, Y g:i A', $timestamp);
}
Regards, Torsten Roehr
// open database connection
$connection = mysql_connect($host, $user, $pass) or die (Unable to
connect!);
// select database
mysql_select_db($db) or die (Unable to select database!);
// generate and execute query
$query = SELECT * FROM outdoor ORDER BY id ASC;
$result = mysql_query($query) or die (Error in query: $query. .
mysql_error());
// if records present
if (mysql_num_rows($result) 0)
{
// iterate through resultset
// print title with links to edit and delete scripts
while($row = mysql_fetch_object($result))
{
?
tr
td? echo $row-id; ?/td
td? echo $row-name; ?/td
tda href=mailto:? echo $row-email; ?? echo
$row-email; ?/a/td
td? echo $row-zip ?/td
td? echo formatDate($row-date); ?/td
td? echo $row-club_member ?/td
td? echo $row-driver ?/td
!-- tdfont size=-1? echo $row-active ?/font/td --
tdcentera href=edit.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img
src=notepad.gif alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a
a href=delete.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img src=trashcan.gif
alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a/center/td
/tr
?
}
}
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Re: [PHP] datetime formatting problem
[snip /]
Hi Matt,
try this:
function formatDate($val) {
$timestamp = strtotime($val);
return date('M d, Y g:i A', $timestamp);
}
strtotime possibly will not work if your date is 01/01/1970.
[snip /]
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RE: [PHP] datetime formatting problem
thanks a bunch torsten. it worked like a charm and i'm off to read up
some more on strtotime.
best,
m.
-Original Message-
From: Torsten Roehr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] datetime formatting problem
Daniel Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Isn't date a reserved word?
date and dateTime are not reserved in MySQL and can be used as column
names.
hi all -
this is probably straight forward, but i'm learning and would
appreciate any insight.
i'm using the datetime type in mysql and have been able to
successsfully pull the data records's date, but it's failing out and
giving me the current time [as in what it says on my system's clock]
basically i'm just spitting out all the rows to an html table and
would like to have the date AND time formatted as is in the
date(...) function at the top of the code demo.
thanks!
matt
/ begin code demo
function formatDate($val)
{
$arr = explode(-, $val);
return date(M d, Y g:i A, mktime(0,0,0, $arr[1], $arr[2],
$arr[0])); }
Hi Matt,
try this:
function formatDate($val) {
$timestamp = strtotime($val);
return date('M d, Y g:i A', $timestamp); }
Regards, Torsten Roehr
// open database connection
$connection = mysql_connect($host, $user, $pass) or die (Unable to
connect!);
// select database
mysql_select_db($db) or die (Unable to select database!);
// generate and execute query
$query = SELECT * FROM outdoor ORDER BY id ASC; $result =
mysql_query($query) or die (Error in query: $query. .
mysql_error());
// if records present
if (mysql_num_rows($result) 0)
{
// iterate through resultset
// print title with links to edit and delete scripts while($row =
mysql_fetch_object($result)) { ? tr td? echo $row-id; ?/td
td? echo $row-name; ?/td tda href=mailto:? echo
$row-email; ?? echo $row-email; ?/a/td td? echo
$row-zip ?/td td? echo formatDate($row-date); ?/td td?
echo $row-club_member ?/td td? echo $row-driver ?/td
!-- tdfont size=-1? echo $row-active ?/font/td --
tdcentera href=edit.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img
src=notepad.gif alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a a
href=delete.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img src=trashcan.gif
alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a/center/td /tr ?
}
}
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RE: [PHP] datetime formatting problem
appreciate the headsup, but all times will be from when record is
inserted which will not be possible before today.
thanks,
m.
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From: Jordan S. Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] datetime formatting problem
[snip /]
Hi Matt,
try this:
function formatDate($val) {
$timestamp = strtotime($val);
return date('M d, Y g:i A', $timestamp); }
strtotime possibly will not work if your date is 01/01/1970.
[snip /]
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Re: [PHP] datetime formatting problem
Try strftime
it allows you to take a timestamp created by time() and format it as
required.
heres the man page for it:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.strftime.php
Matt Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
thanks a bunch torsten. it worked like a charm and i'm off to read up
some more on strtotime.
best,
m.
-Original Message-
From: Torsten Roehr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 2:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] datetime formatting problem
Daniel Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Isn't date a reserved word?
date and dateTime are not reserved in MySQL and can be used as column
names.
hi all -
this is probably straight forward, but i'm learning and would
appreciate any insight.
i'm using the datetime type in mysql and have been able to
successsfully pull the data records's date, but it's failing out and
giving me the current time [as in what it says on my system's clock]
basically i'm just spitting out all the rows to an html table and
would like to have the date AND time formatted as is in the
date(...) function at the top of the code demo.
thanks!
matt
/ begin code demo
function formatDate($val)
{
$arr = explode(-, $val);
return date(M d, Y g:i A, mktime(0,0,0, $arr[1], $arr[2],
$arr[0])); }
Hi Matt,
try this:
function formatDate($val) {
$timestamp = strtotime($val);
return date('M d, Y g:i A', $timestamp); }
Regards, Torsten Roehr
// open database connection
$connection = mysql_connect($host, $user, $pass) or die (Unable to
connect!);
// select database
mysql_select_db($db) or die (Unable to select database!);
// generate and execute query
$query = SELECT * FROM outdoor ORDER BY id ASC; $result =
mysql_query($query) or die (Error in query: $query. .
mysql_error());
// if records present
if (mysql_num_rows($result) 0)
{
// iterate through resultset
// print title with links to edit and delete scripts while($row =
mysql_fetch_object($result)) { ? tr td? echo $row-id; ?/td
td? echo $row-name; ?/td tda href=mailto:? echo
$row-email; ?? echo $row-email; ?/a/td td? echo
$row-zip ?/td td? echo formatDate($row-date); ?/td td?
echo $row-club_member ?/td td? echo $row-driver ?/td
!-- tdfont size=-1? echo $row-active ?/font/td --
tdcentera href=edit.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img
src=notepad.gif alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a a
href=delete.php?id=? echo $row-id; ?img src=trashcan.gif
alt= width=16 height=16 border=0/a/center/td /tr ?
}
}
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[PHP] datetime control
is there a date picker object or control that i can use on an HTML page, instead of making lots of dropdown lists for the various date fields? thanx in advance angelo Disclaimer This e-mail transmission contains confidential information, which is the property of the sender. The information in this e-mail or attachments thereto is intended for the attention and use only of the addressee. Should you have received this e-mail in error, please delete and destroy it and any attachments thereto immediately. Under no circumstances will the Cape Technikon or the sender of this e-mail be liable to any party for any direct, indirect, special or other consequential damages for any use of this e-mail. For the detailed e-mail disclaimer please refer to http://www.ctech.ac.za/polic or call +27 (0)21 460 3911 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] datetime control
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Re: [PHP] datetime
Best and fastest way is to let mysql format the date, look into mysql manual for DATE_FORMAT() function. Dale Hersh wrote: I am using a mssql database and I have a question regarding the datetime type. When I write a date to the database it store the date in the following format: 6/8/03 But when I extract the date from the database it returns the value in the following format: Jun 8 2003 12:00AM Is there a nice function available in php that will format the date based upon certain specification. I know that date() exists, but I that means I would have to use mktime() which would require parsing the entire string and breaking the string into the day, the month, the year. Furthermore, I would then need a switch statement to convert the value Jun into the value 6. I appreciate any help. Thanks, Dale -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] datetime
I am using a mssql database and I have a question regarding the datetime type. When I write a date to the database it store the date in the following format: 6/8/03 But when I extract the date from the database it returns the value in the following format: Jun 8 2003 12:00AM Is there a nice function available in php that will format the date based upon certain specification. I know that date() exists, but I that means I would have to use mktime() which would require parsing the entire string and breaking the string into the day, the month, the year. Furthermore, I would then need a switch statement to convert the value Jun into the value 6. I appreciate any help. Thanks, Dale -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] datetime
Use date() and strtotime() together. strtotime will convert date string into integer timestamp. Still have any questions, check these two functions online plz. Dale Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/2003 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[PHP] datetime I am using a mssql database and I have a question regarding the datetime type. When I write a date to the database it store the date in the following format: 6/8/03 But when I extract the date from the database it returns the value in the following format: Jun 8 2003 12:00AM Is there a nice function available in php that will format the date based upon certain specification. I know that date() exists, but I that means I would have to use mktime() which would require parsing the entire string and breaking the string into the day, the month, the year. Furthermore, I would then need a switch statement to convert the value Jun into the value 6. I appreciate any help. Thanks, Dale -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] datetime
Convert Jun 8 2003 12:00AM to a timestamp which can then be used with the date() function to format the date to whatever format you want. Lets say you've inserted the date as '6/8/03' and you want the data to remain the same when you retrieve it: ? $ts = strtotime(Jun 8 2003 12:00AM); echo date(n/j/y, $ts); ? so all you have to do is replace Jun 8 2003 12:00AM with data retrieved from the DB -Original Message- From: Dale Hersh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 22 August 2003 12:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] datetime I am using a mssql database and I have a question regarding the datetime type. When I write a date to the database it store the date in the following format: 6/8/03 But when I extract the date from the database it returns the value in the following format: Jun 8 2003 12:00AM Is there a nice function available in php that will format the date based upon certain specification. I know that date() exists, but I that means I would have to use mktime() which would require parsing the entire string and breaking the string into the day, the month, the year. Furthermore, I would then need a switch statement to convert the value Jun into the value 6. I appreciate any help. Thanks, Dale -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php * This e-mail, including any attachments to it, may contain confidential and/or personal information. If you have received this e-mail in error, you must not copy, distribute, or disclose it, use or take any action based on the information contained within it. Please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail of the error and then delete the original e-mail. The information contained within this e-mail may be solely the opinion of the sender and may not necessarily reflect the position, beliefs or opinions of Salmat on any issue. This email has been swept for the presence of computer viruses known to Salmat's anti-virus systems. For more information, visit our website at www.salmat.com.au. * -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] datetime
How does one retrieve the date and time off a server in the following format? 2003-04-03 11:11:38 I've read much on date and time regarding php and mysql but could not figure out the above format...please help -- Tim Haskins -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] datetime
-Original Message- From: Tim Haskins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] datetime How does one retrieve the date and time off a server in the following format? 2003-04-03 11:11:38 Plenty of examples here: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.date.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] datetime
$date = date(Y-m-d g:i:s, $date); echo $date; cheers, - Sebastian -Original Message- From: Tim Haskins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How does one retrieve the date and time off a server in the following format? 2003-04-03 11:11:38 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] datetime
'g' is 12-hour format, 'H' is 24 hour (with leading 0) date(Y-m-d H:i:s,$date); Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] $date = date(Y-m-d g:i:s, $date); echo $date; cheers, - Sebastian -Original Message- From: Tim Haskins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How does one retrieve the date and time off a server in the following format? 2003-04-03 11:11:38 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] datetime convert
Hi, I'm trying to convert a formated datetime string into a timestamp. The string format is Y-m-d H:i:s. I use strtotime() to convert the datetime string. However, the converted datetime seems lost its time part. Is there any easy solution to make the converting? Thanks in advance! Alex -- --- TrafficBuilder Network: http://www.bestadv.net/index.cfm?ref=7029 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] datetime field - still a newbie
I have a datetime field in one of my mysql tables...when displaying
some
of
my records I want to display the date in the aforementioned datetime
field,
but if the date is today I want to display today instead. If the
date
is
yesterday I want it to display that so I how do I compare the
date in
my record to todays date? Thanks
I posted this response earlier...did you get it? Are you looking for a
MySQL solution or a PHP solution??
SELECT IF(TO_DAYS(CURDATE()) =
TO_DAYS(date_column),'Today',IF(TO_DAYS(CURDATE())-1 =
TO_DAYS(date_column),'Yesterday',date_column)) FROM your_table;
If you want a PHP solution, then just select the regular MySQL date
format MMDD and use something like this when looping through your
results.
switch($your_row['Date_Column'])
{
case date(Ymd):
echo Today;
break;
case date(Ymd,strtotime(-1 day)):
echo Yesterday;
break;
default:
echo $your_row['Date_Column'];
}
Untested code, of course...
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Re: [PHP] datetime field - still a newbie
Thanks bunches
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I have a datetime field in one of my mysql tables...when displaying
some
of
my records I want to display the date in the aforementioned datetime
field,
but if the date is today I want to display today instead. If the
date
is
yesterday I want it to display that so I how do I compare the
date in
my record to todays date? Thanks
I posted this response earlier...did you get it? Are you looking for a
MySQL solution or a PHP solution??
SELECT IF(TO_DAYS(CURDATE()) =
TO_DAYS(date_column),'Today',IF(TO_DAYS(CURDATE())-1 =
TO_DAYS(date_column),'Yesterday',date_column)) FROM your_table;
If you want a PHP solution, then just select the regular MySQL date
format MMDD and use something like this when looping through your
results.
switch($your_row['Date_Column'])
{
case date(Ymd):
echo Today;
break;
case date(Ymd,strtotime(-1 day)):
echo Yesterday;
break;
default:
echo $your_row['Date_Column'];
}
Untested code, of course...
---John Holmes...
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[PHP] datetime field - still a newbie
I have a datetime field in one of my mysql tables...when displaying some of my records I want to display the date in the aforementioned datetime field, but if the date is today I want to display today instead. If the date is yesterday I want it to display that so I how do I compare the date in my record to todays date? Thanks Alex -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] datetime field - still a newbie
I have a datetime field in one of my mysql tables...when displaying some of my records I want to display the date in the aforementioned datetime field, but if the date is today I want to display today instead. If the date is yesterday I want it to display that so I how do I compare the date in my record to todays date? Thanks First up, extract your date as part of your query in a standard format - if you're looking to do date manipulations you're probably going to be benefit from extracting it as a unix timestamp. Once you've got your date information, along with whatever else you're extracting, you can then process it in php. You'll most likely have some sort of while() loop to increment through your query data. While you're incrementing through you can do an test the date information against today and yesterday. Have a read of the php manual for date() and mktime() as you'll almost certainly need to use these two functions. Basically what you'll need to do is test to see if the date information from your database query is the same as your date information based on working out what today or yesterday are when expressed in the same format as the date information from your database. The rest is pretty much display stuff - substitute date information for appropriate words as required. Hope that heads you in the right direction. CYA, Dave -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] datetime on MSSQL doesn't work with PHP
why does PHP converts the 'datetime' and 'smalldatetime' types of MSSQL to a 'prettier' output? in the table I have '2001-07-01 12:45:01' but when I run a query in PHP to get it I recieve 'Jul 7 2001 12:45AM'. I didn't ask for that... I want the exact value in the field with seconds and all, not a converted value. How can I prevent this? . Christian Dechery (lemming) . http://www.tanamesa.com.br . Gaita-L Owner / Web Developer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
