Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-22 Thread derby
Like many others, you also described exactly how I work.

with one exception... php is my only choice for server side scripting
/ programming.  Sure there are others, perhaps better for some things,
languages, but I am sticking with PHP through snow, mud, earthquakes,
tsunamis, and solar radiation.  With each new project, I try to do
something new and different with PHP than my previous projects.
Whether the new projects are improvements is another discussion for
someone other than me :)

Thanks for the post, I am glad I am not the only one.

derby

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
 well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

 anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

 - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
 - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
 - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
 - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
 -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other
 professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
 - constant learning (positive thing)
 - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
 - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
 - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost at
 approx 65-85 percent completion
 - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
 - lots more but lost interest / focus

 ps:
 expectantly installed windows 7 over the weekend, brief moment of excitement
 coupled with the thought i wonder what it's like; anticlimax + reality
 check, it was just a taskbar, start menu and desktop.. you'd think I'd know
 by now.

 regards :-)

 i so have more important things to do

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-22 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 06:46, derby derby...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.talkderby2me.com

Heh.  I like the domain name, Derby.  Welcome to the list.

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 22:06 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
 Robert Cummings wrote:
  On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:53 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:

  Robert Cummings wrote:
  
  On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:

  well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..
 
  anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?
 
  - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
  - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
  - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
  - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
  -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
  professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
  - constant learning (positive thing)
  - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
  - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
  - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
  at approx 65-85 percent completion
  - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
  - lots more but lost interest / focus
  
  Are you an INTP?
 
  http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl
 

  thanks for that rob, but predicatably I've got to number 26 and stopped 
  - penetrating insight, lol
  
 
  Then your not INTP enough :) An INTP would want to know.
 
  Cheers,
  Rob.

 and finished in 3 sessions: Your personality type is INTP shock

*lol* There ya go!

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread Jason Pruim


On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Paul M Foster wrote:


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:23:49PM -, c...@l-i-e.com wrote:



ESTJ



Me too.


After answering 68 questions (All that displayed) it told me I didn't  
answer them all... So if I want to go in rewrite the stupid thing so  
that it works properly... What does that make me? :P




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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 08:16 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote:
 On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Paul M Foster wrote:
 
  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:23:49PM -, c...@l-i-e.com wrote:
 
 
  ESTJ
 
 
  Me too.
 
 After answering 68 questions (All that displayed) it told me I didn't  
 answer them all... So if I want to go in rewrite the stupid thing so  
 that it works properly... What does that make me? :P

Silly for not hitting the back button.

:)

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread Jason Pruim


On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Robert Cummings wrote:


On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 08:16 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote:

On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Paul M Foster wrote:


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:23:49PM -, c...@l-i-e.com wrote:



ESTJ



Me too.


After answering 68 questions (All that displayed) it told me I didn't
answer them all... So if I want to go in rewrite the stupid thing so
that it works properly... What does that make me? :P


Silly for not hitting the back button.

:)


But alas... I did 3 times :P figured once wasn't enough... had to  
keep checking it :)




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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread ceo

 catch-all?



Yes, with lots of spam filtering, including a custom one in PHP.



Got tired of waiting for webmail to run its filters.



PHP cron job on the server with IMAP.



Comes in handy for web sign-ups and the following spam -- And for identifying 
spammers.  I don't work with spammers.

http://richardlynch.blogspot.com/2007/09/adobe-spams.html





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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread tedd

At 4:35 PM -0500 1/19/09, Robert Cummings wrote:

Are you an INTP?

http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl

(I don't know how good the test is, I picked one at random)

Cheers,
Rob.


I didn't pick at random, but rather what I thought -- my type: ENTJ

Interesting that the top related job position for this type is 
program designer.


Now, that doesn't make me a good one, it's just that's the way I 
lean. The test was not a bad assessment.


Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 13:14 -0500, tedd wrote:
 At 4:35 PM -0500 1/19/09, Robert Cummings wrote:
 Are you an INTP?
 
 http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl
 
 (I don't know how good the test is, I picked one at random)
 
 Cheers,
 Rob.
 
 I didn't pick at random, but rather what I thought -- my type: ENTJ

I think you're confused... I picked the test at random, I've been INTP
since I first took the test 18 years ago (and every time since) :)

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread Jason Pruim


On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Jason Pruim wrote:



On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Robert Cummings wrote:


On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 08:16 -0500, Jason Pruim wrote:

On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Paul M Foster wrote:


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:23:49PM -, c...@l-i-e.com wrote:



ESTJ



Me too.


After answering 68 questions (All that displayed) it told me I  
didn't

answer them all... So if I want to go in rewrite the stupid thing so
that it works properly... What does that make me? :P


Silly for not hitting the back button.

:)


But alas... I did 3 times :P figured once wasn't enough... had to  
keep checking it :)


Well it finally worked for me... INFJ... Only 1% of the population  
like me! :P but apparently I should be a counselor rather then a  
programmer... Screw it I like programming :P



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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread Frank Stanovcak

Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote in message 
news:1232447313.30838.5.ca...@localhost...
 On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 22:06 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
 Robert Cummings wrote:
  On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:53 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
 
  Robert Cummings wrote:
 
  On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
 
  well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..
 
  anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?
 
  - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
  - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain 
  focussed
  - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good 
  reason
  - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the 
  world
  -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other
  professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
  - constant learning (positive thing)
  - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
  - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
  - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is 
  lost
  at approx 65-85 percent completion
  - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
  - lots more but lost interest / focus
 
  Are you an INTP?
 
  http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl
 
 
  thanks for that rob, but predicatably I've got to number 26 and 
  stopped
  - penetrating insight, lol
 
 
  Then your not INTP enough :) An INTP would want to know.
 
  Cheers,
  Rob.
 
 and finished in 3 sessions: Your personality type is INTP shock

 *lol* There ya go!

 Cheers,
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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-20 Thread tedd

At 1:25 PM -0500 1/20/09, Robert Cummings wrote:

On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 13:14 -0500, tedd wrote:
  I didn't pick at random, but rather what I thought -- my type: ENTJ

I think you're confused... I picked the test at random,


I've experienced a lot of that recently.

---


I've been INTP
since I first took the test 18 years ago (and every time since) :)


In the sixth grade I took an IQ test. When I was 36, I took another 
-- interestingly enough, both scores were identical.


Cheers,

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[PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Nathan Rixham

well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

- frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
- vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
- general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
- inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
-- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes

- constant learning (positive thing)
- unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
- amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
- all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
at approx 65-85 percent completion

- the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
- lots more but lost interest / focus

ps:
expectantly installed windows 7 over the weekend, brief moment of 
excitement coupled with the thought i wonder what it's like; 
anticlimax + reality check, it was just a taskbar, start menu and 
desktop.. you'd think I'd know by now.


regards :-)

i so have more important things to do

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Kyle Terry
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:

 well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

 anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

 - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
 - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
 - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
 - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
 -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other
 professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
 - constant learning (positive thing)
 - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
 - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
 - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost at
 approx 65-85 percent completion
 - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
 - lots more but lost interest / focus

Every day of my life.



 ps:
 expectantly installed windows 7 over the weekend, brief moment of
 excitement coupled with the thought i wonder what it's like; anticlimax +
 reality check, it was just a taskbar, start menu and desktop.. you'd think
 I'd know by now.

 regards :-)

 i so have more important things to do

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
 well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..
 
 anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?
 
 - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
 - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
 - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
 - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
 -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
 professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
 - constant learning (positive thing)
 - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
 - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
 - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
 at approx 65-85 percent completion
 - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
 - lots more but lost interest / focus

Are you an INTP?

http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl

(I don't know how good the test is, I picked one at random)

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
 well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..
 
 anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?
 
 - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
yes, but it tends to be side-tracking to what management thinks is more
important; which usually isn't!
 - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
yes, and coffee can only go so far!
 - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
yes, I'm a sucker really, and can't seem to say no to people
 - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
yes, i work a lot on the commute to/from work :-/
 -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
 professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
 - constant learning (positive thing)
yep
 - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
not too sure about actual skill scope, but like many a man, i'll give it
a go, even if I know I don't know what I'm doing!
 - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
yes, albeit aided immensely by management!
 - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
 at approx 65-85 percent completion
yeah, funny that!
 - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
what's usability again?
 - lots more but lost interest / focus
hehe
 
 ps:
 expectantly installed windows 7 over the weekend, brief moment of 
 excitement coupled with the thought i wonder what it's like; 
 anticlimax + reality check, it was just a taskbar, start menu and 
 desktop.. you'd think I'd know by now.
go linux ;)
 
 regards :-)
 
 i so have more important things to do
 


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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Luke Slater



On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Kyle Terry wrote:


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:


well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

- frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
- vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
- general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
- inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
-- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other
professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
- constant learning (positive thing)
- unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
- amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
- all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost at
approx 65-85 percent completion
- the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
- lots more but lost interest / focus


Every day of my life.



Particularly the loss of interest and motivation at 65-85 percent!




ps:
expectantly installed windows 7 over the weekend, brief moment of
excitement coupled with the thought i wonder what it's like; anticlimax +
reality check, it was just a taskbar, start menu and desktop.. you'd think
I'd know by now.

regards :-)

i so have more important things to do

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Afan Pasalic


Nathan Rixham wrote:

well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

- frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
- vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
- general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
- inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
-- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes

- constant learning (positive thing)
- unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
- amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
- all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is 
lost at approx 65-85 percent completion

- the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
- lots more but lost interest / focus

You just described me!
:-)

afan


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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Kyle Terry
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Afan Pasalic a...@afan.net wrote:


 Nathan Rixham wrote:

 well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

 anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

 - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
 - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
 - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
 - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
 -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other
 professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
 - constant learning (positive thing)
 - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
 - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
 - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost at
 approx 65-85 percent completion
 - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
 - lots more but lost interest / focus

 You just described me!
 :-)

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Luke Slater


On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Robert Cummings wrote:


On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:

well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

- frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
- vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
- general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
- inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
-- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other
professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
- constant learning (positive thing)
- unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
- amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
- all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost
at approx 65-85 percent completion
- the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
- lots more but lost interest / focus


Are you an INTP?


Well I got INTP :)

That's a pretty good test actually, but you could have chosen a PHP one ;)



http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl

(I don't know how good the test is, I picked one at random)

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Nathan Rixham

I'm not alone then (didn't think so :p)

Ashley Sheridan wrote:

On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:

well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

- frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects

yes, but it tends to be side-tracking to what management thinks is more
important; which usually isn't!


so true - worse yet, a client with a comittee!


- vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed

yes, and coffee can only go so far!

- general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason

yes, I'm a sucker really, and can't seem to say no to people

- inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world

yes, i work a lot on the commute to/from work :-/
-- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes

- constant learning (positive thing)

yep

- unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go

not too sure about actual skill scope, but like many a man, i'll give it
a go, even if I know I don't know what I'm doing!

- amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)

yes, albeit aided immensely by management!
- all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
at approx 65-85 percent completion

yeah, funny that!

- the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)

what's usability again?

- lots more but lost interest / focus

hehe

ps:
expectantly installed windows 7 over the weekend, brief moment of 
excitement coupled with the thought i wonder what it's like; 
anticlimax + reality check, it was just a taskbar, start menu and 
desktop.. you'd think I'd know by now.

go linux ;)


i am at work, but at home virtualbox for all your multi-os needs



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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Török Alpár
2009/1/19 Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk

 On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
  well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..
 
  anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?
 
  - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
 yes, but it tends to be side-tracking to what management thinks is more
 important; which usually isn't!
  - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
 yes, and coffee can only go so far!
  - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
 yes, I'm a sucker really, and can't seem to say no to people
  - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
 yes, i work a lot on the commute to/from work :-/
  -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other
  professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
  - constant learning (positive thing)
 yep
  - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
 not too sure about actual skill scope, but like many a man, i'll give it
 a go, even if I know I don't know what I'm doing!
  - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
 yes, albeit aided immensely by management!
  - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost
  at approx 65-85 percent completion
 yeah, funny that!
  - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
 what's usability again?
  - lots more but lost interest / focus
 hehe
 
  ps:
  expectantly installed windows 7 over the weekend, brief moment of
  excitement coupled with the thought i wonder what it's like;
  anticlimax + reality check, it was just a taskbar, start menu and
  desktop.. you'd think I'd know by now.
 go linux ;)

++1


 
  regards :-)
 
  i so have more important things to do
 


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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Nathan Rixham

Robert Cummings wrote:

On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:

well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

- frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
- vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
- general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
- inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
-- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes

- constant learning (positive thing)
- unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
- amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
- all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
at approx 65-85 percent completion

- the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
- lots more but lost interest / focus


Are you an INTP?

http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl



thanks for that rob, but predicatably I've got to number 26 and stopped 
- penetrating insight, lol


sidenote: wonder what the results would be if we all got our respective 
other halfs to complete it for us. [for those of you without, you're 
manager will do]


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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:46 +, Luke Slater wrote:
 On Mon, 19 Jan 2009, Robert Cummings wrote:
 
  On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
  well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..
 
  anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?
 
  - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
  - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
  - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
  - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
  -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other
  professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
  - constant learning (positive thing)
  - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
  - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
  - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost
  at approx 65-85 percent completion
  - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
  - lots more but lost interest / focus
 
  Are you an INTP?
 
 Well I got INTP :)

Well the above description matched me fairly well and I recognized the
INTP'ness of it all -- I'm also an INTP :)

 That's a pretty good test actually, but you could have chosen a PHP one ;)

Yeah... but I left it as an exercise ;)

Cheers,
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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:53 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
 Robert Cummings wrote:
  On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
  well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..
 
  anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?
 
  - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
  - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
  - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
  - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
  -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
  professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
  - constant learning (positive thing)
  - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
  - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
  - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
  at approx 65-85 percent completion
  - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
  - lots more but lost interest / focus
  
  Are you an INTP?
  
  http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl
  
 
 thanks for that rob, but predicatably I've got to number 26 and stopped 
 - penetrating insight, lol

Then your not INTP enough :) An INTP would want to know.

Cheers,
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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Nathan Rixham

Robert Cummings wrote:

On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:53 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
  

Robert Cummings wrote:


On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
  

well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

- frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
- vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
- general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
- inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
-- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes

- constant learning (positive thing)
- unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
- amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
- all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
at approx 65-85 percent completion

- the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
- lots more but lost interest / focus


Are you an INTP?

http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl

  
thanks for that rob, but predicatably I've got to number 26 and stopped 
- penetrating insight, lol



Then your not INTP enough :) An INTP would want to know.

Cheers,
Rob.
  

i do.. it's still open in a tab :-) sidetracked

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Bastien Koert
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:

 well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

 anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

 - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects


of course



 - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed


uh?



 - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason


can't get enough



 - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world


what,  you mean they finish at 5? lazy bastards!



 -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other
 professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
 - constant learning (positive thing)


always, flex  php at the moment



 - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go


try anything once!



 - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)


thank god for management, esp when the boss has ADD!



 - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost at
 approx 65-85 percent completion


You mean its supposed to get to 100% completion. But then how would I keep
getting paid if the project can drag on for 3 years?



 - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)


Code is always the most important



 - lots more but lost interest / focus



 regards :-)

 i so have more important things to do

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Nathan Rixham

Robert Cummings wrote:

On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:53 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
  

Robert Cummings wrote:


On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
  

well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..

anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?

- frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
- vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
- general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
- inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
-- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes

- constant learning (positive thing)
- unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
- amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
- all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
at approx 65-85 percent completion

- the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
- lots more but lost interest / focus


Are you an INTP?

http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl

  
thanks for that rob, but predicatably I've got to number 26 and stopped 
- penetrating insight, lol



Then your not INTP enough :) An INTP would want to know.

Cheers,
Rob.
  

and finished in 3 sessions: Your personality type is INTP shock

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:53 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
 Robert Cummings wrote:
  On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 21:28 +, Nathan Rixham wrote:
  well just for the hell of it; and because I'm feeling worn..
 
  anybody else find the following true when you're a developer?
 
  - frequent bursts of side-tracking onto more interesting subjects
  - vast amount of inhuman focus, followed by inability to remain focussed
  - general tendancy to keep taking on projects, often for no good reason
  - inability to flip out of work mode at 5pm like the rest of the world
  -- [sub] not feeling normal unless worked you've extra; while other 
  professions demand overtime as little as an extra 15 minutes
  - constant learning (positive thing)
  - unlimited skill scope, if its on a computer you'll give it a go
  - amazing ability to prioritise (the wrong things)
  - all projects suddenly become uninteresting and all motivation is lost 
  at approx 65-85 percent completion
  - the code seems more important than the app (even though its not)
  - lots more but lost interest / focus
  
  Are you an INTP?
  
  http://www.personalitytest.net/cgi-bin/q.pl
  
 
 thanks for that rob, but predicatably I've got to number 26 and stopped 
 - penetrating insight, lol
 
 sidenote: wonder what the results would be if we all got our respective 
 other halfs to complete it for us. [for those of you without, you're 
 manager will do]
 
My management wouldn't bother, would stop at question 5! only today I
got asked to shorten a several paragraph email into something he could
read more easliy, despite him asking for that much detail originally!


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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Nathan Rixham

Bastien Koert wrote:

always, flex  php at the moment


ahh great to read, flex is amazing, the best product to hit the 
developers market in years IMHO, coupled with XMPP (say openfire) it's 
great as well - there's something about flex and xmpp.. say if you were 
to implement a kind of http over xmpp and use it in flex.. hell you'd 
have a lightweight stateful persistent client server xml based stream to 
play with and could kiss byebye to all that crappy dhtml/ajax polling 
business forever.. anyhow


some others i enjoyed learning include apache solr, opencalais, arc2 
(rdf and sparql), yahoo api's, (more) uml (but easy to get too side 
tracked with), exploring all the eclipse plugins, wso2 wsf and lots more


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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Nathan Rixham

c...@l-i-e.com wrote:
ESTJ 


Apparently, it's time for me to take on a project manager job and quit coding...

Oddly enough, I've been thinking I might like to do that, though more of an 
architect/manager role, really...



didn't you already make that change when you became ceo of an 
intergalactic enterprise company mr lynch?


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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread ceo

ESTJ 



Apparently, it's time for me to take on a project manager job and quit coding...



Oddly enough, I've been thinking I might like to do that, though more of an 
architect/manager role, really...



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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread ceo

 Apparently, it's time for me to take on a project manager job and quit

 coding...



 Oddly enough, I've been thinking I might like to do that, though more

 of an architect/manager role, really...





didn't you already make that change when you became ceo of an

 intergalactic enterprise company mr lynch?



I think you're confusing my day job with my real life.

tm

:-)



Note that bottle-washer AT works equally well for the address at my own domain.



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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Nathan Rixham

c...@l-i-e.com wrote:

Apparently, it's time for me to take on a project manager job and quit
coding...

Oddly enough, I've been thinking I might like to do that, though more
of an architect/manager role, really...


didn't you already make that change when you became ceo of an
intergalactic enterprise company mr lynch?


I think you're confusing my day job with my real life.
tm
:-)

Note that bottle-washer AT works equally well for the address at my own domain.



catch-all?

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Re: [PHP] developers life

2009-01-19 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:23:49PM -, c...@l-i-e.com wrote:

 
 ESTJ
 

Me too.

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