Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 09:33 PM, Jason Murray wrote: I figure if I'm forced to go M$ I'd much rather use C# that VBScript... C# actually seems to be getting quite a lot of positive mentions in the *nix world at the moment. I'm far from a MS proponent, but basing .NET on XML seems like a great idea. Also, there is an open-source .NET initiative called Mono, http://www.go-mono.com/ Erik Erik Price Web Developer Temp Media Lab, H.H. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
Why not start a php-jobs mailing list? It would be an ideal place for employers and job seekers alike, just like the SecurityFocus security-jobs mailing list. - Casey On Tuesday 12 February 2002 17:28, you wrote: On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 05:17 PM, NDPTAL85 wrote: You know at most places thats a great strategy for getting fired? Have any others? :) Maybe, it depends on where you work. I don't work for a tech company per se -- and the MIS guys here have no problem with my server (after all, I do all the administration of it). It's just that somewhere, in some book, or some document, it says that the official supported language is ASP. Actually the boss etc -do- know that I'm using PHP, just not that there's a difference between one scripting language or another. To clear my name, here: the fact is that I suggested this project, explained that it would cost very little money by using PHP/MySQL/Linux, and it was approved. So I'm doing it. I just don't rub it in anyone's face that I don't toe the MS party line. Erik Erik Price Web Developer Temp Media Lab, H.H. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Casey Allen Shobe [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
George, I don't have any job sources for. However, I wondered where you lived in Germany. Ich habe fur drei Jahre in Kaiserlautern gewohnt. Von 1985 bis 1988. Sind Sie Deutscher oder Amerikaner im militar? rick -Original Message- From: George PHP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] PHP Work in New York Hi PHPers, I just moved to NYC from Germany and I'm looking for a job here. Where would be a good place to look? George __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 04:21 PM, George PHP wrote: Hi PHPers, I just moved to NYC from Germany and I'm looking for a job here. Where would be a good place to look? Probably in Germany. The economy sucks in the States, I'm lucky to be temping (luckier to be using PHP). Erik Erik Price Web Developer Temp Media Lab, H.H. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
So you want to say that PHP is going nowhere in the States? Maybe we should be doing ASP! On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 04:21 PM, George PHP wrote: Hi PHPers, I just moved to NYC from Germany and I'm looking for a job here. Where would be a good place to look? Probably in Germany. The economy sucks in the States, I'm lucky to be temping (luckier to be using PHP). Erik Erik Price Web Developer Temp Media Lab, H.H. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 04:30 PM, George PHP wrote: So you want to say that PHP is going nowhere in the States? Maybe we should be doing ASP! I suppose that's a matter of opinion. One thing's for sure: where I work, ASP is the official scripting language. If my boss really knew the difference, I'd have to use ASP instead. I get around it by not bringing the subject up and by keeping my head down. I was talking with John Maddog Hall last week and he shared another story of some guys he knew (back in the mid-90s) who had the same situation as me -- they basically were told to set up a server. No other instructions. So they set up a Linux box, recognizing its virtues and technical prowess. When Maddog asked them what their boss thought about that, they sheepishly replied that he didn't know -- they figured they'd wait a YEAR before telling him so that they'd have a good point if it came down to an argument. Much as I'd love to evangelize my open source philosophy and the merits of my Linux/MySQL/PHP installation, it's going to have to wait until I'm done with this project. Erik Erik Price Web Developer Temp Media Lab, H.H. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 04:30 PM, George PHP wrote: So you want to say that PHP is going nowhere in the States? Maybe we should be doing ASP! I suppose that's a matter of opinion. One thing's for sure: where I work, ASP is the official scripting language. If my boss really knew the difference, I'd have to use ASP instead. I get around it by not bringing the subject up and by keeping my head down. I was talking with John Maddog Hall last week and he shared another story of some guys he knew (back in the mid-90s) who had the same situation as me -- they basically were told to set up a server. No other instructions. So they set up a Linux box, recognizing its virtues and technical prowess. When Maddog asked them what their boss thought about that, they sheepishly replied that he didn't know -- they figured they'd wait a YEAR before telling him so that they'd have a good point if it came down to an argument. Much as I'd love to evangelize my open source philosophy and the merits of my Linux/MySQL/PHP installation, it's going to have to wait until I'm done with this project. Erik You know at most places thats a great strategy for getting fired? Have any others? :) - I'd love to go out with you, but my favorite commercial is on TV. - -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
- Original Message - From: NDPTAL85 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suppose that's a matter of opinion. One thing's for sure: where I work, ASP is the official scripting language. If my boss really knew the difference, I'd have to use ASP instead. I get around it by not bringing the subject up and by keeping my head down. I was talking with John Maddog Hall last week and he shared another story of some guys he knew (back in the mid-90s) who had the same situation as me -- they basically were told to set up a server. No other instructions. So they set up a Linux box, recognizing its virtues and technical prowess. When Maddog asked them what their boss thought about that, they sheepishly replied that he didn't know -- they figured they'd wait a YEAR before telling him so that they'd have a good point if it came down to an argument. Much as I'd love to evangelize my open source philosophy and the merits of my Linux/MySQL/PHP installation, it's going to have to wait until I'm done with this project. http://www.newbienetwork.net/content.php?id=56 That article basically sums up my approach on anything this nature. Of course, I am lucky enough to be working in a place which uses PHP/MySQL for practically everything, and Perl in a few others. And say ASP, and you are liable to get your head shot off. Jason Lotito Programmer Developer Clockmedia Inc. Designing Tomorrow's Games, Today! 1-877-625-6256 514-908-2800 Fax: 514-908-2803 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 05:17 PM, NDPTAL85 wrote: You know at most places thats a great strategy for getting fired? Have any others? :) Maybe, it depends on where you work. I don't work for a tech company per se -- and the MIS guys here have no problem with my server (after all, I do all the administration of it). It's just that somewhere, in some book, or some document, it says that the official supported language is ASP. Actually the boss etc -do- know that I'm using PHP, just not that there's a difference between one scripting language or another. To clear my name, here: the fact is that I suggested this project, explained that it would cost very little money by using PHP/MySQL/Linux, and it was approved. So I'm doing it. I just don't rub it in anyone's face that I don't toe the MS party line. Erik Erik Price Web Developer Temp Media Lab, H.H. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
Jason L wrote: Of course, I am lucky enough to be working in a place which uses PHP/MySQL for practically everything, and Perl in a few others. And say ASP, and you are liable to get your head shot off. Same here, everything web-related anyway ... but the head-shot-off attitude is in place :) J -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
I guess I'm lucky living in Australia then - there's quite a few places using ASP but there's a HUGE increase in the number of businesses who are starting to use PHP. Maybe you should all move to Oz?? hehehe :) Martin -Original Message- From: Jason Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:32 AM To: 'Jason Lotito'; NDPTAL85; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP Work in New York Jason L wrote: Of course, I am lucky enough to be working in a place which uses PHP/MySQL for practically everything, and Perl in a few others. And say ASP, and you are liable to get your head shot off. Same here, everything web-related anyway ... but the head-shot-off attitude is in place :) J -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
Well as an englishman in Germany - php is pretty damm big here ! A lot more than in the UK ! So maybe he should have stayed in Germany ! lol Although the market has collapsed a bit at the moment ! I guess I'm lucky living in Australia then - there's quite a few places using ASP but there's a HUGE increase in the number of businesses who are starting to use PHP. Maybe you should all move to Oz?? hehehe :) Martin -Original Message- From: Jason Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:32 AM To: 'Jason Lotito'; NDPTAL85; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP Work in New York Jason L wrote: Of course, I am lucky enough to be working in a place which uses PHP/MySQL for practically everything, and Perl in a few others. And say ASP, and you are liable to get your head shot off. Same here, everything web-related anyway ... but the head-shot-off attitude is in place :) J -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
On 12 Feb 2002, at 13:30, George PHP wrote: So you want to say that PHP is going nowhere in the States? Maybe we should be doing ASP! You should probably be doing Java, but oh well. Java on M$ with Oracle. I've been hitting the job boards and those are the jobs that are jumping out. If you do PHP you should also be doing Photoshop and Dreamweaver and all sorts of other generally incompatible things :( I just moved to NYC from Germany and I'm looking for job here. Where would be a good place to look? George, Get a list of all the consulting/temp offices in NYC. Put your resume, sign up, etc. with all of them. http://www.panix.com/~grvsmth/redguide/tips/register.html That redguide seemed like a real good idea but it doesn't look like it has kept up but the above article is good. I don't live in NYC but I just did a quick search and found this: http://manhattan.about.com/cs/employment/ Don't sit at home and work the internet (do that at night perhaps). You really have to make contact with people and build up those networking skills. I've been looking for a job for about 4 months now but I've only been using the web. I get a little work from the local RHIC office. My skills are Perl/PHP (and only with a month of PHP but I scored higher on that test than Perl which I've been using for 7 years:) ... Demand is in Java. And of course demand is in that which doesn't exist and so be prepared to bullshit. Were I you I'd take just about any job that is related just to get out and make contacts. Only reason I'm not doing this yet is because I'm working on ... gosh ... on creating a website that will make me money :):) ... I think I've got a good idea and if I make 1/3 of my previous incomes then I'd be happy as I could work from anywhere (like where costs are 1/5 of where I'm living now). I have found no luck at online freelance programming even though I did manage to pull in over US$500 a month doing this in my free time a few years ago. Now ... nothing. Incredible. Hit the pavement. See if there is some local PHP group (like a Perl mongers group) or a linux users group if you're into that. Talk to people. Peter --- Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- Philip K. Dick -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
I must be lucky or something, 'cause the place that hired me basically said, we're developing this, you're coding it, get it done. I was actually told that we'd be going with PostgreSQL and not MS SQL or Oracle or whatever, which was cool to begin with, but the rest of the details (web server platform, etc.) were left up to me. So I kind of went with PHP right off the bat because I needed something that lent itself to quick coding. I had never really developed much in PHP before hand, but now we've got enough lines of PHP code to choke a camel. Last week I looked at some VBScript/ASP code that I kind of need to port to PHP. I was mortified. J Erik Price wrote: I suppose that's a matter of opinion. One thing's for sure: where I work, ASP is the official scripting language. If my boss really knew the difference, I'd have to use ASP instead. I get around it by not bringing the subject up and by keeping my head down. I was talking with John Maddog Hall last week and he shared another story of some guys he knew (back in the mid-90s) who had the same situation as me -- they basically were told to set up a server. No other instructions. So they set up a Linux box, recognizing its virtues and technical prowess. When Maddog asked them what their boss thought about that, they sheepishly replied that he didn't know -- they figured they'd wait a YEAR before telling him so that they'd have a good point if it came down to an argument. Much as I'd love to evangelize my open source philosophy and the merits of my Linux/MySQL/PHP installation, it's going to have to wait until I'm done with this project. Erik -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
At 06:27 PM 2/12/2002 -0500, J Smith wrote: Last week I looked at some VBScript/ASP code that I kind of need to port to PHP. I was mortified. It is truly appalling, isn't it? ;) I have actually converted a large portion of my companies website from VBScript to PHPthankfully most of the stuff was fairly basic. For the few pages that were more complex I just looked at the end result and reverse engineered it rather than trying to figure out what the heck the programmers before me were doing. One good thing about .NET and C#...it may be M$ and I may not want to use it, but at least the code syntax makes sense to me...curly braces to delimit code blocks, semicolons as line terminators, etc. etc. I figure if I'm forced to go M$ I'd much rather use C# that VBScript... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
I figure if I'm forced to go M$ I'd much rather use C# that VBScript... C# actually seems to be getting quite a lot of positive mentions in the *nix world at the moment. J -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
On 12 Feb 2002 at 20:28, Michael Sims wrote: At 06:27 PM 2/12/2002 -0500, J Smith wrote: Last week I looked at some VBScript/ASP code that I kind of need to port to PHP. I was mortified. It is truly appalling, isn't it? ;) I have actually converted a large portion of my companies website from VBScript to PHPthankfully most of the stuff was fairly basic. For the few pages that were more complex I just looked at the end result and reverse engineered it rather than trying to figure out what the heck the programmers before me were doing. One good thing about .NET and C#...it may be M$ and I may not want to use it, but at least the code syntax makes sense to me...curly braces to delimit code blocks, semicolons as line terminators, etc. etc. I figure if I'm forced to go M$ I'd much rather use C# that VBScript... Yeah, but no matter what language you use there is always someone out there they can write crap code with it. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php K E I T H V A N C E Web Developer, IT Professional http://www.vanceconsulting.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
On 13 Feb 2002 at 13:33, Jason Murray wrote: I figure if I'm forced to go M$ I'd much rather use C# that VBScript... C# actually seems to be getting quite a lot of positive mentions in the *nix world at the moment. Interesting, where are you seeing them? I am not being a jerk, I am serious do you have links, I am very interested in C# as is the rest of the programming world - I am just too lazy to go google and search for it. J -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php K E I T H V A N C E Web Developer, IT Professional http://www.vanceconsulting.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Well, the projects that are underway to create a open source implementation of the .NET platform as evidence that at least some people in the *nix world have been quite taken with it... That, and the number of positive mentions its getting on SlashDot in the last week or so. Jason -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Work in New York
Well, yes there are a number of people, including myself, Sun, Aol and loads of others that are very interested in what is going to emerge as the king of distributed authentication and who will, if anyone, will be the king of providing web services that work. It's a very exciting and new area for the programming world and open source needs to make it's response. But that doesn't really mean that *nix folks are cheering for C#. Everyone knows that the desktop market will continue to shrink from here on out and software manufacturers need to be able to provide high-quality secure online applications that work. .Net is a platform doing so with Passport as the authentication mechanism. I wonder how PHP will fit into this whole distributed application framework, if it will. I have written a PHP authentication module, that could possibly be distrubuted, hmmm. We are off topic, sorry. If anyone wants to respond to this, just email directly. On 12 Feb 2002 at 23:41, Michael Sims wrote: At 08:46 PM 2/12/2002 -0800, Keith V. (Vance Consulting LLC) wrote: On 13 Feb 2002 at 13:33, Jason Murray wrote: I figure if I'm forced to go M$ I'd much rather use C# that VBScript... C# actually seems to be getting quite a lot of positive mentions in the *nix world at the moment. Interesting, where are you seeing them? I am not being a jerk, I am serious do you have links, I am very interested in C# as is the rest of the programming world - I am just too lazy to go google and search for it. Well, the projects that are underway to create a open source implementation of the .NET platform as evidence that at least some people in the *nix world have been quite taken with it...perhaps not C# in particular, but the entire framework: http://www.dotgnu.org/ http://www.ximian.com/devzone/projects/mono.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php K E I T H V A N C E Web Developer, IT Professional http://www.vanceconsulting.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
