Re: [PHP] Suggest for List
Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow posters to better categorize their question, and would give responders a good place to hangout depending on their skill set. One comment though to reduce your message load is to start using the news://news.php.net you can read and post here. I love it. works great. -- Chris Lee Mediawaveonline.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Jon Jacob" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... This list is very active, but I find that I am deleting about 70% of the messages about reading the first line. Mostly, this is because so many of the users are new that their questions are very basic. It might be a good idea to have a beginners and an advanced list. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Suggest for List
Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow posters to better categorize their question, and would give responders a good place to hangout depending on their skill set. This has been suggested before. What you will invariably find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe and post to the advanced list because the beginners will know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas there may not be on the beginner list... Chris
RE: [PHP] Suggest for List
April, There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies answering each others questions, you see. Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely get flooded with friendly and helpful responses.Try it :) -Ben -Original Message- From: April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. - Original Message - From: "Boget, Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Chris Lee'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow posters to better categorize their question, and would give responders a good place to hangout depending on their skill set. This has been suggested before. What you will invariably find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe and post to the advanced list because the beginners will know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas there may not be on the beginner list... Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Perhaps I missed my own point. I think it's being one of those days. I see questions on the list regularly that I can answer, on days when I'm bored enough to take off the rule vanquishing them to a folder. I realize I'm a beginner, but even I can tell someone "how to pop up a browser window in php". But others take care of them pretty quickly, so there's no need to worry about it. Also, many of the people who go out of their way to answer questions on here who are advanced would probably just sign up for both list. And last but not least, don't forget the experts who would sign up for a newbie list just because they really like to hear themselves talk. And getting flooded with answers is nearly as intimidating as getting in trouble. As is signing up and the first email out being something so advanced it's half developer. I don't think it'd be quite as bad as you think it would be. - Original Message - From: "Benjamin Munoz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'April'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List April, There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies answering each others questions, you see. Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely get flooded with friendly and helpful responses.Try it :) -Ben -Original Message- From: April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. - Original Message - From: "Boget, Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Chris Lee'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow posters to better categorize their question, and would give responders a good place to hangout depending on their skill set. This has been suggested before. What you will invariably find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe and post to the advanced list because the beginners will know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas there may not be on the beginner list... Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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True enough... -- Chris Lee Mediawaveonline.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ""Boget, Chris"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow posters to better categorize their question, and would give responders a good place to hangout depending on their skill set. This has been suggested before. What you will invariably find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe and post to the advanced list because the beginners will know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas there may not be on the beginner list... Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Suggest for List
I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. - Original Message - From: "Boget, Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Chris Lee'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow posters to better categorize their question, and would give responders a good place to hangout depending on their skill set. This has been suggested before. What you will invariably find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe and post to the advanced list because the beginners will know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas there may not be on the beginner list... Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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oh look, someone's getting snippy with me for speaking on the list and admitting I'm a newbie already. Patronizing does get to be a reflex action after hearing the same question so many times, yeah. But if I can't post about the goodness/badness of having a newbie list and an advanced list, because I wasn't here in 1999 for the first one and had no idea it had happened, without being given tips on how to search google and get out of your hair while you discuss big boy things... If the volume is enough to make the experts snippy (which it does regularly), why are the experts this huge asset the newbies can't lose? If it's something that no one on the newbie list could answer, someone could just ask on the advanced list. Anyway, on a trying not to be controversial and contrary note, where are the archives? People keep saying that, but I can't find any that work. - Original Message - From: "Philip Olson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Benjamin Munoz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "'April'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List One suggestion for all newbies (and all) is this : Search the archives Search google Figure out a few keywords that will be in the answer and/or question and do a search. Go here : http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general Q: "I want to redirect using php, how?" T: "redirect" or "redirection" Q: "When i use rand() it not work, why???" T: "random" or "rand" or "mt_rand" Or, let's say PHP gives an error, search them too : Q: Headers already sent, wtf?! T: "headers already sent" and/or "Cannot add header information" Remember, the archive is HUGE so sift through the pages, use the navigation (next in thread, next = ...) and usually an answer will be found. YOU ARE NOT ALONE! When using google, append the term "PHP" and guess what, it works! Google is amazing, it searches the entire world, all mailing lists, faqts, sites, etc. A little research goes a long ways and who knows what else will be learned during this process (hint: a lot). I digress. Want to play a little game? For every question you see, research archives/google and see how long it takes to find an answer. It's fun! But, each to their own. It's easy to get frustrated by repeat questions but we must realize it's not the same person asking over and over ... Regards, Philip Olson http://www.cornado.com/ On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Benjamin Munoz wrote: April, There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies answering each others questions, you see. Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely get flooded with friendly and helpful responses.Try it :) -Ben -Original Message- From: April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. - Original Message - From: "Boget, Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Chris Lee'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List Good idea, I agree, this would be nice. It would allow posters to better categorize their question, and would give responders a good place to hangout depending on their skill set. This has been suggested before. What you will invariably find is that all users (beginner and advanced) will subscribe and post to the advanced list because the beginners will know there are people there who can answer any ?'s whereas there may not be on the beginner list... Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For addit
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This is a public list and realize that : a. Don't make assumptions b. Don't take anything personally Nobody here is directing "bad vibes" towards you and email communication is questionable, miscommunication runs rampent. So that said, nobody is partronizing you but rather are bringing up points of reference. We are 'discussing' not 'fighting' and tangents many times come about too. The archive can be searched through the search on php.net and the link quoted below and of course through google (I don't work for google btw :) http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general Regards, Philip Olson http://www.cornado.com/ On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, April wrote: oh look, someone's getting snippy with me for speaking on the list and admitting I'm a newbie already. Patronizing does get to be a reflex action after hearing the same question so many times, yeah. But if I can't post about the goodness/badness of having a newbie list and an advanced list, because I wasn't here in 1999 for the first one and had no idea it had happened, without being given tips on how to search google and get out of your hair while you discuss big boy things... If the volume is enough to make the experts snippy (which it does regularly), why are the experts this huge asset the newbies can't lose? If it's something that no one on the newbie list could answer, someone could just ask on the advanced list. Anyway, on a trying not to be controversial and contrary note, where are the archives? People keep saying that, but I can't find any that work. - Original Message - From: "Philip Olson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Benjamin Munoz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "'April'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List One suggestion for all newbies (and all) is this : Search the archives Search google Figure out a few keywords that will be in the answer and/or question and do a search. Go here : http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general Q: "I want to redirect using php, how?" T: "redirect" or "redirection" Q: "When i use rand() it not work, why???" T: "random" or "rand" or "mt_rand" Or, let's say PHP gives an error, search them too : Q: Headers already sent, wtf?! T: "headers already sent" and/or "Cannot add header information" Remember, the archive is HUGE so sift through the pages, use the navigation (next in thread, next = ...) and usually an answer will be found. YOU ARE NOT ALONE! When using google, append the term "PHP" and guess what, it works! Google is amazing, it searches the entire world, all mailing lists, faqts, sites, etc. A little research goes a long ways and who knows what else will be learned during this process (hint: a lot). I digress. Want to play a little game? For every question you see, research archives/google and see how long it takes to find an answer. It's fun! But, each to their own. It's easy to get frustrated by repeat questions but we must realize it's not the same person asking over and over ... Regards, Philip Olson http://www.cornado.com/ On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Benjamin Munoz wrote: April, There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies answering each others questions, you see. Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely get flooded with friendly and helpful responses.Try it :) -Ben -----Original Message----- From: April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. - Original Message - From: "Boget, Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Chris Lee'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List Good idea, I agree, thi
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General List http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general CVS list http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-cvsr=1w=2 Dev List http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-devr=1w=2 Install http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-installr=1w=2 KB http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-kbr=1w=2 Migration http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-migrationr=1w=2 Pear http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-pearr=1w=2 QA http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-qar=1w=2 Template http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-templater=1w=2 Windows http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-windowsr=1w=2 PHP4 Beta http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php4betar=1w=2 And there is more here http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?w=2 just scroll down to the www section. Thank you Brian Paulson Sr. Web Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chieftain.com 1-800-269-6397 -Original Message- From: April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:18 PM To: Philip Olson; Benjamin Munoz Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List oh look, someone's getting snippy with me for speaking on the list and admitting I'm a newbie already. Patronizing does get to be a reflex action after hearing the same question so many times, yeah. But if I can't post about the goodness/badness of having a newbie list and an advanced list, because I wasn't here in 1999 for the first one and had no idea it had happened, without being given tips on how to search google and get out of your hair while you discuss big boy things... If the volume is enough to make the experts snippy (which it does regularly), why are the experts this huge asset the newbies can't lose? If it's something that no one on the newbie list could answer, someone could just ask on the advanced list. Anyway, on a trying not to be controversial and contrary note, where are the archives? People keep saying that, but I can't find any that work. - Original Message - From: "Philip Olson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Benjamin Munoz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "'April'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Suggest for List One suggestion for all newbies (and all) is this : Search the archives Search google Figure out a few keywords that will be in the answer and/or question and do a search. Go here : http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general Q: "I want to redirect using php, how?" T: "redirect" or "redirection" Q: "When i use rand() it not work, why???" T: "random" or "rand" or "mt_rand" Or, let's say PHP gives an error, search them too : Q: Headers already sent, wtf?! T: "headers already sent" and/or "Cannot add header information" Remember, the archive is HUGE so sift through the pages, use the navigation (next in thread, next = ...) and usually an answer will be found. YOU ARE NOT ALONE! When using google, append the term "PHP" and guess what, it works! Google is amazing, it searches the entire world, all mailing lists, faqts, sites, etc. A little research goes a long ways and who knows what else will be learned during this process (hint: a lot). I digress. Want to play a little game? For every question you see, research archives/google and see how long it takes to find an answer. It's fun! But, each to their own. It's easy to get frustrated by repeat questions but we must realize it's not the same person asking over and over ... Regards, Philip Olson http://www.cornado.com/ On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Benjamin Munoz wrote: April, There was a discussion like in 1999 (i remember cuz I was learning PHP then), and Richard Lynch (i think) had a good point that splitting the list would reduce the quality of the answers on the beginners list--PHP newbies answering each others questions, you see. Newbies should continue to post here. A tip: some developers preface their posts with something like: "newbie question". If you do this, you'll likely get flooded with friendly and helpful responses.Try it :) -Ben -Original Message- From: April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Suggest for List I've been searching for a much smaller PHP beginners lists, away from the official one, because I know I'm much too beginner for this one. Everytime I post, I feel like I'm trying to snatch a cookie in full view of the headmistress, and probably going to get hit with her spoon for it. You'll always get the idiots posting to the advanced list, yeah, it happens. But I think that the quality of lists would generally go up for both advanced and beginning people - less interference and less pressure, respectively. - Original Message - From: "Boget, C
