Re: [PHP] GNU Open Source

2003-03-31 Thread John Taylor-Johnston
Hi,

  This is a list for questions about PHP.  Look in the titlebar of your
  browser when you go to www.php.net
 He was asking *where* PHP stands (regarding licenses), not *what* PHP
 stands for. Maybe PHP FAQ should have something about licenses.

Indeed, I did find somehting ... in the licence FAQ (frequently asked question) 
section: http://www.php.net/license/ discusses: (I don't mean to frequently ask :) )

GPL enforces many restrictions on what can and cannot be done with the licensed code. 
 The PHP developers decided to release PHP under a much more loose license ... But 
you don't go into any further detail.

What I would like to know is what are the restrictions? A couple of examples would 
suffice. In a nutshell ... Something I can document in an academic paper I am 
presenting on the utility of PHP  MySQL combination and how it improved our 
research mindset.

Rasmus: I understand there are differences between GNU.org  OpenSource.org but I 
didn't mean to offend anyone. Sorry Rasmus, but I was surprised you would answer that 
way. Is this a touchy subject? The General list should be the correct place to ask?

John


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Re: [PHP] GNU Open Source

2003-03-31 Thread Chris Shiflett
--- John Taylor-Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rasmus: I understand there are differences between GNU.org  OpenSource.org
 but I didn't mean to offend anyone. Sorry Rasmus, but I was surprised you
 would answer that way. Is this a touchy subject? The General list should be
 the correct place to ask?

John,

I think the main point is that this question is completely off-topic. Neither
gnu.org nor opensource.org are sites that have anything to do with using PHP.

As for licenses, you can read PHP's here:
http://cvs.php.net/co.php/php4/LICENSE?login=2r=1.22.

Chris

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Re: [PHP] GNU Open Source

2003-03-31 Thread John . Taylor . Johnston
Rasmus, I hardly call it a school paper. I haven't done one of them in 25 
years. But if you are not the one to ask, nor is the general list not the 
place to ask, who do I email or where do I post to find out more about your 
statement at: http://www.php.net/license/

GPL enforces many restrictions on what can and cannot be done with the licensed 
code.

Chris' response: http://cvs.php.net/co.php/php4/LICENSE?login=2r=1.22. Is 
interesting, but does not answer the question.

Sorry to bother,
John


examples of restrictions mentionned http://www.php.net/license/
  Rasmus: I understand there are differences between GNU.org 
  OpenSource.org but I didn't mean to offend anyone. Sorry Rasmus, but
  was surprised you would answer that way. Is this a touchy subject?
  General list should be the correct place to ask?
 No, the php-general list is not the place for you to do your open source
 license research for your school paper.

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Re: [PHP] GNU Open Source

2003-03-31 Thread Justin French
on 01/04/03 8:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 GPL enforces many restrictions on what can and cannot be done with the
 licensed 
 code.

The point is, PHP is not released under GPL any more -- it's under QPL, so
this thread hardly seems relevant to any PHP list -- just my two cents
though.

/Why/ did they change?  They state it on the very next line:
The PHP developers decided to release PHP under a much more loose license
(Apache-style), to help PHP become as popular as possible.


If you need to know more than that, I'd start by reading both licenses, and
perhaps looking for plain English or annotated versions of the licenses
which help you compare them.

But really, this isn't related to PHP any more.


Justin


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Re: [PHP] GNU Open Source

2003-03-30 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
This is a list for questions about PHP.  Look in the titlebar of your
browser when you go to www.php.net to see what the acronym stands for.
Beyond that, please take this stuff somewhere else.

-Rasmus

On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, John Taylor-Johnston wrote:

 Where does PHP.net stand? Is it GNU or OpenSource or both?

 What's the difference between www.GNU.org and
 www.OpenSource.org?
 I have been reading:
 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/intro.html but
 don't get what DiBona, Ockman  Stone mean. OpenSource permits
 folks like RedHat to distribute a paid CD, GNU doesn't?
 OpenSource permits greating a module or plugin to work with a
 Microsoft product and GNU doesn't?

 J


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Re: [PHP] GNU Open Source

2003-03-30 Thread Manuel Lemos
Hello,

On 03/31/2003 01:05 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
This is a list for questions about PHP.  Look in the titlebar of your
browser when you go to www.php.net to see what the acronym stands for.
Beyond that, please take this stuff somewhere else.
He was asking *where* PHP stands (regarding licenses), not *what* PHP 
stands for. Maybe PHP FAQ should have something about licenses.

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Regards,
Manuel Lemos

On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, John Taylor-Johnston wrote:


Where does PHP.net stand? Is it GNU or OpenSource or both?

What's the difference between www.GNU.org and
www.OpenSource.org?
I have been reading:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/intro.html but
don't get what DiBona, Ockman  Stone mean. OpenSource permits
folks like RedHat to distribute a paid CD, GNU doesn't?
OpenSource permits greating a module or plugin to work with a
Microsoft product and GNU doesn't?


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