Re: picolisp at last ?

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

Excellent news !

Jean-Christophe 

> On Jun 7, 2018, at 10:28, Alexander Williams  wrote:
> 
> +1 TinyCore,
> 
> I use it for most of my work and testing Linux applications.
> 
> I'm also the "maintainer" of PicoLisp on TinyCore (64-bit only), so you
> can install it (v17.12) with:
> 
>  tce-load -wi picolisp picolisp-lib picolisp-doc
> 
> AW
> 
> On 06/06/2018 05:01 PM, think live wrote:
>> TinyCore is a nice little virtual environment I have used to sandbox
>> picolisp projects. I use it with virtual box and run them headless.
>> Easy to mount external filesystems, ssh in, etc.
> 

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Re: picolisp at last ?

[Alexander Williams]

+1 TinyCore,

I use it for most of my work and testing Linux applications.

I'm also the "maintainer" of PicoLisp on TinyCore (64-bit only), so you
can install it (v17.12) with:

  tce-load -wi picolisp picolisp-lib picolisp-doc


AW

On 06/06/2018 05:01 PM, think live wrote:
> TinyCore is a nice little virtual environment I have used to sandbox
> picolisp projects. I use it with virtual box and run them headless.
> Easy to mount external filesystems, ssh in, etc.



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Re: picolisp at last ?

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Jun 6, 2018, at 23:07, Alexander Burger  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 10:43:39PM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>> Btw, it is PL 1.6 that is in the Debian repositories.
> 
> Hmm, there was never a version 1.6 - perhaps 16.2?

Sorry that's what I meant :)

> Both the testing (buster) and unstable (sid) versions of Debian now have
> PicoLisp 17.12+20180218-1 (the December version with an update of February).

I'll check those repositories too. Thank you for the reminder.

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Re: picolisp at last ?

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

Nice suggestion! I'll give it a try. Thank you.

> On Jun 7, 2018, at 2:01, think live  wrote:
> 
> http://tinycorelinux.net/ 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux 
>   
> 
> TinyCore is a nice little virtual environment I have used to sandbox picolisp 
> projects. I use it with virtual box and run them headless.
> Easy to mount external filesystems, ssh in, etc.
> 
> /Lindsay
> 
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary  > wrote:
> Ok, I gave up :)
> I installed Debian in a virtual environment and then picolisp.
> I'm going to remove all the cruft to only keep a terminal and the like.


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Re: picolisp at last ?

[think live]

http://tinycorelinux.net/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux

TinyCore is a nice little virtual environment I have used to sandbox
picolisp projects. I use it with virtual box and run them headless.
Easy to mount external filesystems, ssh in, etc.

/Lindsay

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary  wrote:

> Ok, I gave up :)
> I installed Debian in a virtual environment and then picolisp.
> I'm going to remove all the cruft to only keep a terminal and the like.
>
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Re: picolisp at last ?

[Alexander Burger]

On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 10:43:39PM +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
> Btw, it is PL 1.6 that is in the Debian repositories.

Hmm, there was never a version 1.6 - perhaps 16.2? In any case, it looks like
you installed an ancient (means: stable) Debian.

Both the testing (buster) and unstable (sid) versions of Debian now have
PicoLisp 17.12+20180218-1 (the December version with an update of February).

♪♫ Alex

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Re: picolisp at last ?

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Jun 6, 2018, at 22:01, Alexander Burger  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jean-Christophe,
> 
>> I installed Debian in a virtual environment and then picolisp.
>> I'm going to remove all the cruft to only keep a terminal and the like.
> 
> This (Debian in a VM) is probably the best way. Thanks for the info!

Btw, it is PL 1.6 that is in the Debian repositories.

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Re: picolisp at last ?

[Alexander Burger]

Hi Jean-Christophe,

> I installed Debian in a virtual environment and then picolisp.
> I'm going to remove all the cruft to only keep a terminal and the like.

This (Debian in a VM) is probably the best way. Thanks for the info!
♪♫ Alex

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picolisp at last ?

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

Ok, I gave up :)
I installed Debian in a virtual environment and then picolisp.
I'm going to remove all the cruft to only keep a terminal and the like.

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Re: GitHub sold out to Microsoft

[Nehal]

> Anyway my initial point is Github always was a closed company, so if that
> was not a problem in the past it should not be now under MS umbrella, we're
> standing at the same place

Thanks for double stressing. This was an eye opener.

Some references:
1. https://www.wired.com/2012/05/torvalds-github/
2. 
https://www.infoworld.com/article/3033059/linux/what-do-linux-developers-think-of-git-and-github.html


> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 8:25 AM, Alexander Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Alexander Sharihin. The only/best option is self-hosted.
>> "Other platforms" is just moving "the problem" from X to Y.
>>
>> I've also got a custom diy repo cloning tool, which generates a nice
>> HTML page. It didn't take long to write (in PicoLisp, of course), so
>> perhaps it's a good way for others to exercise their pil-coding-muscles
>> ;)
>>
>>
>> AW
>>
>> On 06/05/2018 08:03 AM, Alexander Sharihin wrote:
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > GitLab works on Microsoft's Azure Cloud.
>> >
>> > As I know picolisp developed without using github nor gitlab.
>> >
>> > If you care about freedom use only self-hosted solutions(I'm using just
>> > a
>> > ssh-server and user named git with simple diy repo creating tool).
>> >
>> > 2018-06-05 9:52 GMT+03:00 pd :
>> >
>> >> Best alternative probably is gitlab which is free and git based
>> >>
>> >> Anyway there's no reason to change right now because github already
>> >> was
>> >> non-free and closed so there's nothing new with MS, just a closed
>> company
>> >> swapping. If github was good before it could be good now Just sit down
>> to
>> >> see what MS is planning
>> >>
>> >> El Mar 05/06/2018, 8:45, Nehal  escribió:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear PicoLisp programmers,
>> >>>
>> >>> Just see attached news of GitHub been sold out to Microsoft. Being
>> former
>> >>> FSF licensing intern I strongly believe we now need to look forward
>> >>> to
>> >>> another free code hosting platform in order to keep our projects,
>> >>> especially PicoLisp source files free and open Source in its true
>> spirit
>> >>> and not be under umbrella of proprietary firms that are not true to
>> spirit
>> >>> of FOSS.
>> >>>
>> >>> There is an urgent need to ponder on this and take a strong decision
>> >>> to
>> >>> move stuff from GitHub altogether. Mercurial (
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/
>> >>> wiki/Mercurial), GNU Savannah (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/
>> >>> wiki/GNU_Savannah) may be other alternatives!
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Nehal
>> >>>
>> >>> सा विद्या या विमुक्तये
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>


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Re: Another PLEAC question

[Alexander Burger]

Hi Arie,

> For now I'll leave this one out and put it on a todo list.

Yes, this is better. I do even think that you don't need to put it onto the todo
list, as it is not a very helpful example.


> Please have a look if the rest in that section is ok!

Yes. The rest of datesandtimes.html I have checked already yesterday
and it was fine.


> I  could get hold of a copy of the Perl Cookbook and saw there that there
> are some useful extras for each problem. I'll add that in order to make the
> whole thing friendlier.

Cool! :)
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Re: GitHub sold out to Microsoft

[pd]

the problem with self hosting is rising costs and risk, you assume the
maintenance of the whole system and the cost of keeping it alive while a
platform perform those tasks for you so IMHO is better to go for a FS
platform and company if that is important too

A platform with a big infrastructure will always be better for users than a
shelf hosting in a personal machine

Anyway my initial point is Github always was a closed company, so if that
was not a problem in the past it should not be now under MS umbrella, we're
standing at the same place


On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 8:25 AM, Alexander Williams 
wrote:

> I agree with Alexander Sharihin. The only/best option is self-hosted.
> "Other platforms" is just moving "the problem" from X to Y.
>
> I've also got a custom diy repo cloning tool, which generates a nice
> HTML page. It didn't take long to write (in PicoLisp, of course), so
> perhaps it's a good way for others to exercise their pil-coding-muscles ;)
>
>
> AW
>
> On 06/05/2018 08:03 AM, Alexander Sharihin wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > GitLab works on Microsoft's Azure Cloud.
> >
> > As I know picolisp developed without using github nor gitlab.
> >
> > If you care about freedom use only self-hosted solutions(I'm using just a
> > ssh-server and user named git with simple diy repo creating tool).
> >
> > 2018-06-05 9:52 GMT+03:00 pd :
> >
> >> Best alternative probably is gitlab which is free and git based
> >>
> >> Anyway there's no reason to change right now because github already was
> >> non-free and closed so there's nothing new with MS, just a closed
> company
> >> swapping. If github was good before it could be good now Just sit down
> to
> >> see what MS is planning
> >>
> >> El Mar 05/06/2018, 8:45, Nehal  escribió:
> >>
> >>> Dear PicoLisp programmers,
> >>>
> >>> Just see attached news of GitHub been sold out to Microsoft. Being
> former
> >>> FSF licensing intern I strongly believe we now need to look forward to
> >>> another free code hosting platform in order to keep our projects,
> >>> especially PicoLisp source files free and open Source in its true
> spirit
> >>> and not be under umbrella of proprietary firms that are not true to
> spirit
> >>> of FOSS.
> >>>
> >>> There is an urgent need to ponder on this and take a strong decision to
> >>> move stuff from GitHub altogether. Mercurial (
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/
> >>> wiki/Mercurial), GNU Savannah (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/
> >>> wiki/GNU_Savannah) may be other alternatives!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Nehal
> >>>
> >>> सा विद्या या विमुक्तये
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: Another PLEAC question

[Arie van Wingerden]

Hi Alex,

indeed.
For now I'll leave this one out and put it on a todo list.

Please have a look if the rest in that section is ok!

I  could get hold of a copy of the Perl Cookbook and saw there that there
are some useful extras for each problem. I'll add that in order to make the
whole thing friendlier.

Thx and best!
Arie

Op wo 6 jun. 2018 07:28 schreef Alexander Burger :

> Hi Arie,
>
> > first I tried a GMail mail header, but that contains loads of extra
> stuff.
> > Then I copied a sample header from here
> > https://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Email_Headers#Sample_Header but using
> > that doesn't show any results.
>
> You are right. It seems the example matches only a very specific header,
> which
> unfortunately seems lost. Also, I cannot make sense of the original PLEAC
> site,
> e.g. what is the original task specification, and does it provide test
> data?
>
> Probably this solution needs to be rewritten. With a more general and
> complete
> parser like the one in misc/mailing for this mailing list.
>
> ♪♫ Alex
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Re: GitHub sold out to Microsoft

[Nehal]

I agree with both your points. 

Regards,
Nehal

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On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, 12:02 PM Alexander Williams 
wrote:

> I agree with Alexander Sharihin. The only/best option is self-hosted.
> "Other platforms" is just moving "the problem" from X to Y.
>
> I've also got a custom diy repo cloning tool, which generates a nice
> HTML page. It didn't take long to write (in PicoLisp, of course), so
> perhaps it's a good way for others to exercise their pil-coding-muscles ;)
>
>
> AW
>
> On 06/05/2018 08:03 AM, Alexander Sharihin wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > GitLab works on Microsoft's Azure Cloud.
> >
> > As I know picolisp developed without using github nor gitlab.
> >
> > If you care about freedom use only self-hosted solutions(I'm using just a
> > ssh-server and user named git with simple diy repo creating tool).
> >
> > 2018-06-05 9:52 GMT+03:00 pd :
> >
> >> Best alternative probably is gitlab which is free and git based
> >>
> >> Anyway there's no reason to change right now because github already was
> >> non-free and closed so there's nothing new with MS, just a closed
> company
> >> swapping. If github was good before it could be good now Just sit down
> to
> >> see what MS is planning
> >>
> >> El Mar 05/06/2018, 8:45, Nehal  escribió:
> >>
> >>> Dear PicoLisp programmers,
> >>>
> >>> Just see attached news of GitHub been sold out to Microsoft. Being
> former
> >>> FSF licensing intern I strongly believe we now need to look forward to
> >>> another free code hosting platform in order to keep our projects,
> >>> especially PicoLisp source files free and open Source in its true
> spirit
> >>> and not be under umbrella of proprietary firms that are not true to
> spirit
> >>> of FOSS.
> >>>
> >>> There is an urgent need to ponder on this and take a strong decision to
> >>> move stuff from GitHub altogether. Mercurial (
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/
> >>> wiki/Mercurial), GNU Savannah (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/
> >>> wiki/GNU_Savannah) may be other alternatives!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Nehal
> >>>
> >>> सा विद्या या विमुक्तये
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: GitHub sold out to Microsoft

[Alexander Williams]

I agree with Alexander Sharihin. The only/best option is self-hosted.
"Other platforms" is just moving "the problem" from X to Y.

I've also got a custom diy repo cloning tool, which generates a nice
HTML page. It didn't take long to write (in PicoLisp, of course), so
perhaps it's a good way for others to exercise their pil-coding-muscles ;)


AW

On 06/05/2018 08:03 AM, Alexander Sharihin wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> GitLab works on Microsoft's Azure Cloud.
> 
> As I know picolisp developed without using github nor gitlab.
> 
> If you care about freedom use only self-hosted solutions(I'm using just a
> ssh-server and user named git with simple diy repo creating tool).
> 
> 2018-06-05 9:52 GMT+03:00 pd :
> 
>> Best alternative probably is gitlab which is free and git based
>>
>> Anyway there's no reason to change right now because github already was
>> non-free and closed so there's nothing new with MS, just a closed company
>> swapping. If github was good before it could be good now Just sit down to
>> see what MS is planning
>>
>> El Mar 05/06/2018, 8:45, Nehal  escribió:
>>
>>> Dear PicoLisp programmers,
>>>
>>> Just see attached news of GitHub been sold out to Microsoft. Being former
>>> FSF licensing intern I strongly believe we now need to look forward to
>>> another free code hosting platform in order to keep our projects,
>>> especially PicoLisp source files free and open Source in its true spirit
>>> and not be under umbrella of proprietary firms that are not true to spirit
>>> of FOSS.
>>>
>>> There is an urgent need to ponder on this and take a strong decision to
>>> move stuff from GitHub altogether. Mercurial (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/
>>> wiki/Mercurial), GNU Savannah (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/
>>> wiki/GNU_Savannah) may be other alternatives!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nehal
>>>
>>> सा विद्या या विमुक्तये
>>>
>>
> 



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