Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Manuel Cano
Hi,

I think something like Picolisp wiki has to be clear and easy to read, not
necessarily (althought it is for me) "pretty", but practical. Don't be
picky.
The only thing I don't really like is to have code in bold. (We don't code
in bold!) But even if I don't really like it, I find making code
outstanding from the rest of the text make it easier to look at the code
and avoid distraction.
As for the "real state", I find it easier to read short lines. I get lost
when reading very long lines when it comes to go back (CRLF :-) to the
beginning of next line. (And I know it happens to many people, that's
exactly why they do that in blogs and articles.)
It is now very clear and easy to read for me.

So thanks Arie.


Kind regards,
Manu

2018-06-25 11:41 GMT+02:00 Arie van Wingerden :

> Hi Manuel,
>
> I like as it is now. Ari has made a good job, don't throw it away.
>
> ​Pffft. I really thought it was all bad news. Thx.
>
> If it was hard for someone before, they could have done what Ari has made

Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Arie van Wingerden
Hi Jean-Christophe,

Op ma 25 jun. 2018 om 12:04 schreef Jean-Christophe Helary <
brandel...@gmail.com>:

I agree. But it is always difficult to discuss a proposal before seeing
> some kind of implementation.
>

​Right. Thtat's a thing I really need to change.!


> I think it is possible to further improve Arie's work by laying out a few
> design principles, like for example not add decorations that do not have a
> clear function (i.e. usually italics and bold are kept to show a
> contrasting emphasis within a text). That's usually the main issue with
> heavily decorated documents (I'm not saying that this page is heavily
> decorated :).
>

​In fact I disliked the HUGE headers and wanted them a bit smaller .. :)​

T
​hx.

   Arie
​


Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Arie van Wingerden
No problem :)

Op ma 25 jun. 2018 om 12:04 schreef Manuel Cano :

> Hi Arie,
>
> Sorry. I've mistyped you name!
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Manu
>
> 2018-06-25 11:41 GMT+02:00 Arie van Wingerden :
>
> > Hi Manuel,
> >
> > I like as it is now. Ari has made a good job, don't throw it away.
> >
> > ​Pffft. I really thought it was all bad news. Thx.
> >
> > If it was hard for someone before, they could have done what Ari has made


Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Manuel Cano
Hi Arie,

Sorry. I've mistyped you name!


Kind regards,
Manu

2018-06-25 11:41 GMT+02:00 Arie van Wingerden :

> Hi Manuel,
>
> I like as it is now. Ari has made a good job, don't throw it away.
>
> ​Pffft. I really thought it was all bad news. Thx.
>
> If it was hard for someone before, they could have done what Ari has made

Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary



> On Jun 25, 2018, at 18:03, Manuel Cano  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I like as it is now. Ari has made a good job, don't throw it away.
> If it was hard for someone before, they could have done what Ari has made.

I agree. But it is always difficult to discuss a proposal before seeing some 
kind of implementation.

I think it is possible to further improve Arie's work by laying out a few 
design principles, like for example not add decorations that do not have a 
clear function (i.e. usually italics and bold are kept to show a contrasting 
emphasis within a text). That's usually the main issue with heavily decorated 
documents (I'm not saying that this page is heavily decorated :).

Jean-Christophe 
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Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Arie van Wingerden
Hi Johann,

I would also keep it
> ​ ...
>

​OK. You don't like the updates I guess.​


> ​
> and somebody finds something annoying (like italic
> headlines) they should just send an "upgraded" css to the mailing list and
> have some people try it out.
>

It indeed would be nice *if* people did such thing. But I guess it would
result in the same kind of personal taste issues, even preventing to put
any changes life at all. At any time there would be people not liking
specific things.

Thx.
   Arie


Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Joh-Tob Schäg
I would also keep it and somebody finds something annoying (like italic
headlines) they should just send an "upgraded" css to the mailing list and
have some people try it out.

2018-06-25 11:03 GMT+02:00 Manuel Cano :

> Hi all,
>
> I like as it is now. Ari has made a good job, don't throw it away.
> If it was hard for someone before, they could have done what Ari has made

Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Arie van Wingerden
Hi Manuel,

I like as it is now. Ari has made a good job, don't throw it away.

​Pffft. I really thought it was all bad news. Thx.

If it was hard for someone before, they could have done what Ari has made.

​That's right. But it is *really* difficult to do things that everybody
likes ...​

​Thx!
   Arie​


Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Arie van Wingerden
Hi Alex,

might be a good Idea.

But the mailing list and IRC don't seem to be really appropriate to do
voting.
​
Does somebody know if there is a good free online possibility out there to
do voting on several things in one go?
If so, I am surely willing to take the effort and follow up democratically!
Will try to find this myself as well.

Thanks!
   Arie

​


​


Op ma 25 jun. 2018 om 11:00 schreef Alexander Burger :

> Hi all,
>
> > after reading a few reactions and also my struggle to get things right
> (in
> > *my* opinion), I realize that it really is impossible to please
> everybody.
> >
> > Given the fact that also I seem to be the only person not liking the old
> > CSS and that the new CSS is a "regression" it is much better to restore
> the
> > old CSS.
> >
> > My only purpose is to make the Wiki *more* attractive and not to make it
> > *worse*.
> >
> > @AlexB
> > To not further disturb the community I'd like Alex to restore the
> previous
> > CSS (which I also attach here).
>
> Really a tough decision ... How about some democratic process?
>
> What if anybody concerned about the matter votes here (or in IRC, or in
> the Wiki
> itself?) within the next week, and we do the final decision based on that?
>
> ♪♫ Alex
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Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Manuel Cano
Hi all,

I like as it is now. Ari has made a good job, don't throw it away.
If it was hard for someone before, they could have done what Ari has made.


Kind regards,
Manuel

El lun., 25 jun. 2018 11:00, Alexander Burger 
escribió:

> Hi all,
>
> > after reading a few reactions and also my struggle to get things right
> (in
> > *my* opinion), I realize that it really is impossible to please
> everybody.
> >
> > Given the fact that also I seem to be the only person not liking the old
> > CSS and that the new CSS is a "regression" it is much better to restore
> the
> > old CSS.
> >
> > My only purpose is to make the Wiki *more* attractive and not to make it
> > *worse*.
> >
> > @AlexB
> > To not further disturb the community I'd like Alex to restore the
> previous
> > CSS (which I also attach here).
>
> Really a tough decision ... How about some democratic process?
>
> What if anybody concerned about the matter votes here (or in IRC, or in
> the Wiki
> itself?) within the next week, and we do the final decision based on that?
>
> ♪♫ Alex
>
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Re: Wiki css

2018-06-25 Thread Alexander Burger
Hi all,

> after reading a few reactions and also my struggle to get things right (in
> *my* opinion), I realize that it really is impossible to please everybody.
> 
> Given the fact that also I seem to be the only person not liking the old
> CSS and that the new CSS is a "regression" it is much better to restore the
> old CSS.
> 
> My only purpose is to make the Wiki *more* attractive and not to make it
> *worse*.
> 
> @AlexB
> To not further disturb the community I'd like Alex to restore the previous
> CSS (which I also attach here).

Really a tough decision ... How about some democratic process?

What if anybody concerned about the matter votes here (or in IRC, or in the Wiki
itself?) within the next week, and we do the final decision based on that?

♪♫ Alex

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