Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
The Mamiya that I have is a rangefinder, no removable backs. It has a rear curtain in it that you have to shut to take off a lens, and then you can click it open with a flip switch on the bottom of the camera when the lens is back on. However I think it would be much easier to put tape over the pinhole instead of using it as a shutter. Also, in order to advance the film you had to have tripped the shutter, or else the film advance lever doesn't move... So I actually have 2 problems here to deal with, one now solved by Carsten below, and the other still to be figured out--the shutter button does not press down and take a pic, but I think if I hook up the cable release, turn it on with the cable release depressed, it will click the shutter release button and then I can advance the film. I do not know the Mamiya. I use a pinhole lenscap on my hasselblad but but the rear curtain works as a sutter without the lens. How does the mamiya work does it use film backs like the hasselblad ? If it does does it have a fear curtain ? I would act as a sutter James > From: Carsten Bogler > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:39:00 +0100 (MEZ) > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > this is a joke isn't it. > Your the first person I know that spent thousands of $$ into a camera > without knowing that it has a "zentralverschluß". don't know the english > word for it. the shutter is in the lense. so if you don't have a lens on > your camera then there is no shutter > what you can do is to use this second shutter that you have to use if you > want to change the lenses. but without any lens on your camera no cable > releas or any releas will work on a mamaiy 7. > > c. > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Christina Z. Anderson wrote: > >> No; it goes right on the body of the camera, without the lens. >> Chris >> >> >>> just to make sure that i understand it the right way... >>> >>> you put your pinhole-lenscap on a lens and not on the body right? >>> >>> carsten. >>> >>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, James Romeo wrote: >>> Do you use a cable release wth a lock open on it? bulb is not like t it >> has to be held or locked open. Do You use that cable on your 35mm and it >> works? If so try an outher cable on your Mamiya. Not all cables work on all shutters due to the leanth of the end of the cable in lock. > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0700 > To: "Pinhole List" > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the >> pinhole > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm >> Nikon one > works great. > Chris > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Pinhole-Discussion mailing list >>> Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? >>> unsubscribe or change your account at >>> http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Pinhole-Discussion mailing list >> Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? >> unsubscribe or change your account at >> http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >> > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] joy camera
In a message dated 2/7/01 3:52:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, che1...@hotmail.com writes: > i just read the postings from the guy who didn't understand the > mamiya/lenscap stuff. and now i sheepishly ask -how do you convert the > joycam. i just don't understandwhat part of the camera you get rid of and > what part you keep, especially since the film goes in the bottom. > I have been thinking of modifying my izone,i think it might work :) Harry http://www.figurefoto.com/";>Figurefoto.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
I do not know the Mamiya. I use a pinhole lenscap on my hasselblad but but the rear curtain works as a sutter without the lens. How does the mamiya work does it use film backs like the hasselblad ? If it does does it have a fear curtain ? I would act as a sutter James > From: Carsten Bogler > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:39:00 +0100 (MEZ) > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > this is a joke isn't it. > Your the first person I know that spent thousands of $$ into a camera > without knowing that it has a "zentralverschluß". don't know the english > word for it. the shutter is in the lense. so if you don't have a lens on > your camera then there is no shutter > what you can do is to use this second shutter that you have to use if you > want to change the lenses. but without any lens on your camera no cable > releas or any releas will work on a mamaiy 7. > > c. > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Christina Z. Anderson wrote: > >> No; it goes right on the body of the camera, without the lens. >> Chris >> >> >>> just to make sure that i understand it the right way... >>> >>> you put your pinhole-lenscap on a lens and not on the body right? >>> >>> carsten. >>> >>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, James Romeo wrote: >>> Do you use a cable release wth a lock open on it? bulb is not like t it >> has to be held or locked open. Do You use that cable on your 35mm and it >> works? If so try an outher cable on your Mamiya. Not all cables work on all shutters due to the leanth of the end of the cable in lock. > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0700 > To: "Pinhole List" > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the >> pinhole > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm >> Nikon one > works great. > Chris > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Pinhole-Discussion mailing list >>> Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? >>> unsubscribe or change your account at >>> http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Pinhole-Discussion mailing list >> Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? >> unsubscribe or change your account at >> http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >> > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] joy camera
ya got me on that one...I don't think I've ever seen a joycam ps...we're suppose to use plain text not html mail types. 8o) -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of che lawrence Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:51 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] joy camera i just read the postings from the guy who didn't understand the mamiya/lenscap stuff. and now i sheepishly ask -how do you convert the joycam. i just don't understandwhat part of the camera you get rid of and what part you keep, especially since the film goes in the bottom. also(nervous laugh) has anyone modified an izone? che
[pinhole-discussion] joy camera
i just read the postings from the guy who didn't understand the mamiya/lenscap stuff. and now i sheepishly ask -how do you convert the joycam. i just don't understandwhat part of the camera you get rid of and what part you keep, especially since the film goes in the bottom. also(nervous laugh) has anyone modified an izone? cheGet your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
[pinhole-discussion] more about the "Why Pinhole?" exhibit
Hi all, List member Guy Glorieux has written a nice, personal account of the opening reception of the "Why Pinhole?" exhibit in Rochester, NY that I thought everyone might be interested in reading: http://www.p at ???/diary/ (thanks Guy!) - Gregg _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.p at ???
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
O--my gosh I can't believe I am so STUPID. Yes, I knew the shutter was in the lens! But I guess what you are saying is that when (gulp) I release the curtain (inside the camera dark curtain or "shutter" )(you have shut curtain when removing a lens and then open it once the lens is on) once my lens cap is on, then my pinhole is constantly exposing, huh Got it! Then that must mean I need to cover the pinhole at all times once my inside dark curtain is released. Hey, you should realize that anyone who would BUY a readymade lenscap with a pinhole in it, instead of making one, is not mechanically inclined; although I knew the shutter was in the lens but it did not compute in my brain (you would think they would include a "pinhole cap" with the lenscap for people like me...) Thanx, Chris > this is a joke isn't it. > Your the first person I know that spent thousands of $$ into a camera > without knowing that it has a "zentralverschluß". don't know the english > word for it. the shutter is in the lense. so if you don't have a lens on > your camera then there is no shutter > what you can do is to use this second shutter that you have to use if you > want to change the lenses. but without any lens on your camera no cable > releas or any releas will work on a mamaiy 7. > > c. > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Christina Z. Anderson wrote: > > > No; it goes right on the body of the camera, without the lens. > > Chris > > > > > > > just to make sure that i understand it the right way... > > > > > > you put your pinhole-lenscap on a lens and not on the body right? > > > > > > carsten. > > > > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, James Romeo wrote: > > > > > > > Do you use a cable release wth a lock open on it? bulb is not like t it > > has > > > > to be held or locked open. Do You use that cable on your 35mm and it > > works? > > > > If so try an outher cable on your Mamiya. Not all cables work on all > > > > shutters due to the leanth of the end of the cable in lock. > > > > > > > > > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > > > > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0700 > > > > > To: "Pinhole List" > > > > > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > > > > > > > > > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > > > > > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the > > pinhole > > > > > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm > > Nikon one > > > > > works great. > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
RE: [pinhole-discussion] Modifiers of Polaroid Joycams
Hey Dan I've never tried a JoyCam but I normally remove the mirror & box around the camera itself. In doing this you need to be careful not to damage anything so it will still fire & eject the picture. A couple of the others have removed the lenses with good success... good luck & let us know what happens andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Dan Gerber Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:39 PM To: pinhole list Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Modifiers of Polaroid Joycams Hello All, I am interested in modifying a Polaroid Joycam for pinhole use, and have a question to those that have done this: When modifying the camera, did you retain the mirror, or did you rip the entire top of the cam off, and just build a box with the pinhole in it? What I need to know is, if you just put a box on it, will the image be reversed, because the film is designed to be shot with the use of the mirror??/ Thanks, Dan Gerber ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
this is a joke isn't it. Your the first person I know that spent thousands of $$ into a camera without knowing that it has a "zentralverschluß". don't know the english word for it. the shutter is in the lense. so if you don't have a lens on your camera then there is no shutter what you can do is to use this second shutter that you have to use if you want to change the lenses. but without any lens on your camera no cable releas or any releas will work on a mamaiy 7. c. On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Christina Z. Anderson wrote: > No; it goes right on the body of the camera, without the lens. > Chris > > > > just to make sure that i understand it the right way... > > > > you put your pinhole-lenscap on a lens and not on the body right? > > > > carsten. > > > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, James Romeo wrote: > > > > > Do you use a cable release wth a lock open on it? bulb is not like t it > has > > > to be held or locked open. Do You use that cable on your 35mm and it > works? > > > If so try an outher cable on your Mamiya. Not all cables work on all > > > shutters due to the leanth of the end of the cable in lock. > > > > > > > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > > > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0700 > > > > To: "Pinhole List" > > > > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > > > > > > > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > > > > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the > pinhole > > > > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm > Nikon one > > > > works great. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
RE: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
yeah, thats what I figured. You're sure the latching part of the cable release is locking the "releaser" sticking out firmly and doesn't slowly slip backwards.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Christina Z. Anderson Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:11 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > remember that Bulb & Time are different things...Bulb needs to be held open > hence the term bulb. Older shutters had a Time function that just opened the > shutter & you manually closed it. > andy > The Mamiya 7II has no Time on it. It is just a Bulb setting. Chris ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
- Original Message - From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the pinhole > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm Nikon one > works great. > Chris By what you say, it is obvious there is a mechanism that "senses" the presence or absence of a lens, study your lens and the body cap and you should be able to tell what you need to file off or add to your lens cap to make the camera's "B" setting work when a lens cap is mounted instead of a lens. Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
No; it goes right on the body of the camera, without the lens. Chris > just to make sure that i understand it the right way... > > you put your pinhole-lenscap on a lens and not on the body right? > > carsten. > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, James Romeo wrote: > > > Do you use a cable release wth a lock open on it? bulb is not like t it has > > to be held or locked open. Do You use that cable on your 35mm and it works? > > If so try an outher cable on your Mamiya. Not all cables work on all > > shutters due to the leanth of the end of the cable in lock. > > > > > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0700 > > > To: "Pinhole List" > > > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > > > > > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > > > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the pinhole > > > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm Nikon one > > > works great. > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
just to make sure that i understand it the right way... you put your pinhole-lenscap on a lens and not on the body right? carsten. On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, James Romeo wrote: > Do you use a cable release wth a lock open on it? bulb is not like t it has > to be held or locked open. Do You use that cable on your 35mm and it works? > If so try an outher cable on your Mamiya. Not all cables work on all > shutters due to the leanth of the end of the cable in lock. > > > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0700 > > To: "Pinhole List" > > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > > > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the pinhole > > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm Nikon one > > works great. > > Chris > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
[pinhole-discussion] Modifiers of Polaroid Joycams
Hello All, I am interested in modifying a Polaroid Joycam for pinhole use, and have a question to those that have done this: When modifying the camera, did you retain the mirror, or did you rip the entire top of the cam off, and just build a box with the pinhole in it? What I need to know is, if you just put a box on it, will the image be reversed, because the film is designed to be shot with the use of the mirror??/ Thanks, Dan Gerber
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
It really sounds like the Mamiya may be trying to save you from yourself, perhaps the shutter has a latch that mounting a lens (is it bayonette?) releases. Pam "Christina Z. Anderson" wrote: > > > remember that Bulb & Time are different things...Bulb needs to be held > open > > hence the term bulb. Older shutters had a Time function that just opened > the > > shutter & you manually closed it. > > andy > > > The Mamiya 7II has no Time on it. It is just a Bulb setting. > Chris > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- Pamela G. Niedermayer Pinehill Softworks Inc. 600 W. 28th St., Suite 103 Austin, TX 78705 512-236-1677 http://www.pinehill.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New kid on the block
Point taken! - Original Message - From: "Andy Schmitt" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] New kid on the block > "falling apart" or morphing into something else? Interesting idea...I've > always figured it was morphing into another image...I always find it > interesting how different artists view/interpret things... > Back in the late 60's, pointeelist(sp?) images became popular. The enlarging > of pinhole images, especially the color ones seemed to merge into that > idea.. > andy > > -Original Message- > From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? > [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Chris Peregoy > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:00 AM > To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] New kid on the block > > > > > > > What size enlargements could I expect to get before the image quality > falls > > > apart? A contact sheet is not really much use to me, as I may be > considering > > > publication. Is an 8x10 box the only answer? > > > Steve > > > > Pinhole is also about having the image fall apart. With our pinhole lens we > can't > get as sharp or high of a resolution as a real lens even though we get great > depth > of field. I like to make images without the optimum size pinhole. I like to > play > with different size pinholes, different formats and different enlargement > sizes. > Pinhole doesn't have to stand up to the same criteria as lens photography. > Its > different. For me its about the ghosts of people moving through my images > due to > long exposure times, or the bend of the paper in the camera, or the > incongruity of > the spatial relationships of near and far objects. I try to make my image > fall > apart. > > There is an image in Eric Renner's book of Boston, fig 1.22 on page 19 of > the > second edition. Its a contact print from an 8x10 flat plane camera with the > optimum size pinhole. This sharpness is from being optimum size, large > negative, > contact print. If you want sharp, try to keep these things in mind. > -- > Chris Peregoy | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~peregoy | http://imda.umbc.edu/ > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
It really sounds like the Mamiya may be trying to save you from yourself, perhaps the shutter has a latch that mounting a lens (is it bayonette?) releases. Pam "Christina Z. Anderson" wrote: > > > remember that Bulb & Time are different things...Bulb needs to be held > open > > hence the term bulb. Older shutters had a Time function that just opened > the > > shutter & you manually closed it. > > andy > > > The Mamiya 7II has no Time on it. It is just a Bulb setting. > Chris > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- Pamela G. Niedermayer Pinehill Softworks Inc. 600 W. 28th St., Suite 103 Austin, TX 78705 512-236-1677 http://www.pinehill.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
> remember that Bulb & Time are different things...Bulb needs to be held open > hence the term bulb. Older shutters had a Time function that just opened the > shutter & you manually closed it. > andy > The Mamiya 7II has no Time on it. It is just a Bulb setting. Chris
RE: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
remember that Bulb & Time are different things...Bulb needs to be held open hence the term bulb. Older shutters had a Time function that just opened the shutter & you manually closed it. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of James Romeo Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:42 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap Do you use a cable release wth a lock open on it? bulb is not like t it has to be held or locked open. Do You use that cable on your 35mm and it works? If so try an outher cable on your Mamiya. Not all cables work on all shutters due to the leanth of the end of the cable in lock. > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0700 > To: "Pinhole List" > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the pinhole > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm Nikon one > works great. > Chris > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
RE: [pinhole-discussion] New kid on the block
"falling apart" or morphing into something else? Interesting idea...I've always figured it was morphing into another image...I always find it interesting how different artists view/interpret things... Back in the late 60's, pointeelist(sp?) images became popular. The enlarging of pinhole images, especially the color ones seemed to merge into that idea.. andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Chris Peregoy Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:00 AM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] New kid on the block > > What size enlargements could I expect to get before the image quality falls > > apart? A contact sheet is not really much use to me, as I may be considering > > publication. Is an 8x10 box the only answer? > > Steve > Pinhole is also about having the image fall apart. With our pinhole lens we can't get as sharp or high of a resolution as a real lens even though we get great depth of field. I like to make images without the optimum size pinhole. I like to play with different size pinholes, different formats and different enlargement sizes. Pinhole doesn't have to stand up to the same criteria as lens photography. Its different. For me its about the ghosts of people moving through my images due to long exposure times, or the bend of the paper in the camera, or the incongruity of the spatial relationships of near and far objects. I try to make my image fall apart. There is an image in Eric Renner's book of Boston, fig 1.22 on page 19 of the second edition. Its a contact print from an 8x10 flat plane camera with the optimum size pinhole. This sharpness is from being optimum size, large negative, contact print. If you want sharp, try to keep these things in mind. -- Chris Peregoy | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~peregoy | http://imda.umbc.edu/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
Yes I do; the cable works on both my Mamiya and my 35mm, and the cable (I tested) works with a normal lens back on the the camera. Chris > Do you use a cable release wth a lock open on it? bulb is not like t it has > to be held or locked open. Do You use that cable on your 35mm and it works? > If so try an outher cable on your Mamiya. Not all cables work on all > shutters due to the leanth of the end of the cable in lock. > > > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0700 > > To: "Pinhole List" > > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > > > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the pinhole > > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm Nikon one > > works great. > > Chris > > > > > > ___ > > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > > unsubscribe or change your account at > > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/ >
Re: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
Do you use a cable release wth a lock open on it? bulb is not like t it has to be held or locked open. Do You use that cable on your 35mm and it works? If so try an outher cable on your Mamiya. Not all cables work on all shutters due to the leanth of the end of the cable in lock. > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" > Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:41:43 -0700 > To: "Pinhole List" > Subject: [pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap > > I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's > shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the pinhole > lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm Nikon one > works great. > Chris > > > ___ > Pinhole-Discussion mailing list > Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? > unsubscribe or change your account at > http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New kid on the block
> > What size enlargements could I expect to get before the image quality falls > > apart? A contact sheet is not really much use to me, as I may be considering > > publication. Is an 8x10 box the only answer? > > Steve > Pinhole is also about having the image fall apart. With our pinhole lens we can't get as sharp or high of a resolution as a real lens even though we get great depth of field. I like to make images without the optimum size pinhole. I like to play with different size pinholes, different formats and different enlargement sizes. Pinhole doesn't have to stand up to the same criteria as lens photography. Its different. For me its about the ghosts of people moving through my images due to long exposure times, or the bend of the paper in the camera, or the incongruity of the spatial relationships of near and far objects. I try to make my image fall apart. There is an image in Eric Renner's book of Boston, fig 1.22 on page 19 of the second edition. Its a contact print from an 8x10 flat plane camera with the optimum size pinhole. This sharpness is from being optimum size, large negative, contact print. If you want sharp, try to keep these things in mind. -- Chris Peregoy | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~peregoy | http://imda.umbc.edu/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] New kid on the block
> What size enlargements could I expect to get before the image quality falls > apart? A contact sheet is not really much use to me, as I may be considering > publication. Is an 8x10 box the only answer? > Steve >>It all depends upon what you are looking for. You could make your own >>pinhole and mount it within your Mamiya cap (I did this with a Nikon cap). As far as image quality is concerned, you'll have to be your own judge. I generally tend to use 4X5 film and enlarge to 11X14", though this may vary widely with the scene<< I also mostly enlarge to 11x14inch from 4x5 film and also from 6x7cm roll film negatives. As was pointed out the grain holds up fine if you use the "right" film and process it for minimum grain. That being said the contact prints will look "better" or at least "different" if you compare them with the enlargements. As George says one needs to make one's own judgements and there are some trade offs. I have found that an image that looks nice at 11x14 does not look as good at 16x20, though people often say they want to see my images in that format. I personally think 4x5 contacts are a little too small for exhibitions, though I sometimes include a few. If you are planning to publish them in a magazine or book, the medium format film enlarged to 8x10 should be fine in my opinion. Just make sure your homemade or store bought pinhole is the optimum size and practice good film processing methods. (and good printing technique helps!) ED Edward Levinson *Specializing in Fine Art and Editorial Pinhole Photography* *online portfolio at http://www.awa.or.jp/home/edo *
[pinhole-discussion] new to the list; Mamiya 7II lenscap
I just got a Mamiya 7II lenscap pinhole and it seems that my camera's shutter won't stay open on bulb, even with a cable release, with the pinhole lenscap on. Anyone else have this problem? What to do? My 35mm Nikon one works great. Chris
