Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
Hardware is simply part of the process. Just follow your intuition! Jim K Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks Sorry if I was a little hard on the hardware geeks.
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In a message dated 3/22/01 9:06:44 PM, bi...@aol.com writes: p.s. How's Keep on Pinholin Tom doing? Haven't seen him on the list lately. Yes. Tomhow are you? leezy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
I'm (re)taking basic photo in high school because of a schedule conflict... I would say that the majority of the people in the class are just there because it's an easy class to get out of. 10 min into the period, most of the class is out taking pictures. I don't really mind because it leaves the lab free :) Now they're cutting electives so the people who want to take it because they like photography have less of a chance of getting it. John - Original Message - From: bi...@aol.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks What is it with these students? Or rather, at what age do you begin to be a student with awareness of the process and your responsibilities? Same at my high school teaching gig. . . Lot's of excuses. How's adult ed? -Barb p.s. How's Keep on Pinholin Tom doing? Haven't seen him on the list lately. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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What is it with these students? Or rather, at what age do you begin to be a student with awareness of the process and your responsibilities? Same at my high school teaching gig. . . Lot's of excuses. How's adult ed? -Barb p.s. How's Keep on Pinholin Tom doing? Haven't seen him on the list lately.
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THANKS TINA Ballard On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:55:47 Tina Martin tima...@hotmail.com writes: We all have a bit of the hardware geek in us, or we wouldn't be building (and dismantling) all these cameras! Guess my point was that people shouldn't get hung up on the 'right or wrong' way to do things, although craft IS important if you care about your work. Long live geeks of all stripes! Tina - Original Message - From: William Erickson erick...@ic.mankato.mn.us Our fathers house has many mansions. In any interest groups there's always the hardware nuts and the process geeks. Honor our brothers. (Sort of delphic, don't you think?) Amen to that! That's the way it's always been in this group, I would say. Guillermo Future Mansion occupant!! ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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I like equipment. I like finished photos. There are a lot of different cameras in the world. There are a lot of different people using them in a lot of different ways. The only photographer I need to view critically is myself. Ballard
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We all have a bit of the hardware geek in us, or we wouldn't be building (and dismantling) all these cameras! Guess my point was that people shouldn't get hung up on the 'right or wrong' way to do things, although craft IS important if you care about your work. Long live geeks of all stripes! Tina - Original Message - From: William Erickson erick...@ic.mankato.mn.us Our fathers house has many mansions. In any interest groups there's always the hardware nuts and the process geeks. Honor our brothers. (Sort of delphic, don't you think?) Amen to that! That's the way it's always been in this group, I would say. Guillermo Future Mansion occupant!! ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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- Original Message - From: William Erickson erick...@ic.mankato.mn.us Our fathers house has many mansions. In any interest groups there's always the hardware nuts and the process geeks. Honor our brothers. (Sort of delphic, don't you think?) Amen to that! That's the way it's always been in this group, I would say. Guillermo Future Mansion occupant!!
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Our fathers house has many mansions. In any interest groups there's always the hardware nuts and the process geeks. Honor our brothers. (Sort of delphic, don't you think?) - Original Message - From: Mike Vande Bunt mike.vandeb...@mixcom.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks Yes. That's why I dropped out of the Toy Camera group. The whole idea behind using a poor quality plastic lensed camera is to show that one can make a good photo (though perhaps not a sharp photo...) with poor quality equipment. It forces the photographer to concentrate on the photographic process in a way that is absent when a super high-tech auto everything camera is doing the work. The problem was that many of the Toy Camera group members were just as fixated on the hardware (Chinese plastic, instead of Swedish steel...) as the Hassy fanatics. Mike Vande Bunt Tina Martin wrote: Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think that if only they had the right or a really good camera they could be great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves and their own vision. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are afraid to screw up, to allow that old serendipidy to happen. Tina They weren't the least bit interested, when I showed them the cap and my zone plate matted (and hand colored) images. Not supprizing, they are all hardware geeks. They are in love with the machines, and not the images they produce. Photographs are only an excuse to play with their toys. When I run into people that only wan't to talk about their cameras and lenses my responce has become - show me what you have done, not what you own. Kurt _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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Photography is a craft, the camera a photographer's most important tool. Craftsman rightly have a deep respect for their tools--love their tools even--, but any craftsman should know that he will be judged by the results of his labor, not by the tools he puts to use. Honor your gadgets (whether high-tech chunks of electronically controlled plastic or handmade cardboard cameras without lenses), but don't use them as excuses. In Japan there is an apt saying Kobo Daishi never chose his brush. (Kobo Daishi was a famous Buddhist priest noted for his beautiful calligraphy.) The idea, of course, is that Kobo Daishi never used his tools as an excuse. He wrote beautifully with whatever was at hand. Colin __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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In a message dated 3/22/01 1:54:14 AM, norl...@aol.com writes: Gee Mr. Norlin I've been gone for two weeks -did I miss anything? No dear, we just put the class on pause waiting for your return. Some days I almost wish I was back in the infantry. :-) Painfully familiar. leezy
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Sorry if I was a little hard on the hardware geeks. Least anyone think I am anti-tech, I work mostly in digital imaging, teach digital photography, and am currently plotting how to get my grubby hands on an Olympus E-10 camera. My only excuse is that it's almost the end of the quarter, and I am having to deal with students that don't seem to make a connection between output and grades. Gee Mr. Norlin I've been gone for two weeks -did I miss anything? No dear, we just put the class on pause waiting for your return. Some days I almost wish I was back in the infantry. :-) Happy Trails, Kurt Norlin
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Yes. That's why I dropped out of the Toy Camera group. The whole idea behind using a poor quality plastic lensed camera is to show that one can make a good photo (though perhaps not a sharp photo...) with poor quality equipment. It forces the photographer to concentrate on the photographic process in a way that is absent when a super high-tech auto everything camera is doing the work. The problem was that many of the Toy Camera group members were just as fixated on the hardware (Chinese plastic, instead of Swedish steel...) as the Hassy fanatics. Mike Vande Bunt Tina Martin wrote: Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think that if only they had the right or a really good camera they could be great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves and their own vision. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are afraid to screw up, to allow that old serendipidy to happen. Tina They weren't the least bit interested, when I showed them the cap and my zone plate matted (and hand colored) images. Not supprizing, they are all hardware geeks. They are in love with the machines, and not the images they produce. Photographs are only an excuse to play with their toys. When I run into people that only wan't to talk about their cameras and lenses my responce has become - show me what you have done, not what you own. Kurt _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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yep, I'll second that!! andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of figuref...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 4:44 PM To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks In a message dated 3/21/01 1:38:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, tima...@hotmail.com writes: Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think that if only they had the right or a really good camera they could be great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves and their own vision. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are afraid to screw up, to allow that old serendipidy to happen. You know what? I love technology,But i think some of my best work has come from my little expermentsand not from my high tech crap :) just my 2 cents, Harry Figurefoto.com
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Well, I'm kinda a hardware geek, but I have no illusions as to a camera making me a better photographer in terms of technique, I just love cameras! :-) I think they're often beautiful pieces of machinery and fun to fool around with. When I got my Exakta VX-IIa, I just sat and looked at it for an hour or so. What a beautiful camera it is! Much more aesthetically pleasing than my Nikon N70, which for all it's features is just a black piece of plastic. I love the look of my two Zero2000s much more than my Leonardo 4x5 just because Zernike makes them look nice with varnish and brass. Both take great shots, but the Zero2000 is out where I can see it. However, I do believe that depending on your needs a certain piece of camera equipment can make you a better photographer in that if you really need an incredibly sharp photo, or you really need a macro lens, or you really need a telephoto lens to make the shot you want, then you probably really need that piece of equipment. Of course, the equipment is just facilitating the ideas in this case, they didn't create them. But without them, you can't be the photographer you want to be. Hope that makes some kind of sense. Benno Jones Tina Martin wrote: Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think that if only they had the right or a really good camera they could be great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves and their own vision. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are afraid to screw up, to allow that old serendipidy to happen. Tina They weren't the least bit interested, when I showed them the cap and my zone plate matted (and hand colored) images. Not supprizing, they are all hardware geeks. They are in love with the machines, and not the images they produce. Photographs are only an excuse to play with their toys. When I run into people that only wan't to talk about their cameras and lenses my responce has become - show me what you have done, not what you own. Kurt _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ -- See my homepage at http://www.jps.net/benshan It's a well-known fact that although the public is fine when taken individually, when it forms itself into large groups, it tends to act as though it has one partially consumed Pez tablet for a brain. - Dave Barry
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Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think that if only they had the right or a really good camera they could be great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves and their own vision. *Very true, it is creative vision, or a good eye, that makes a wonderful photo. (or painting, or whatever) I once worked in a photo store had a woman come in, steam coming out of her ears and demand to know why the Nikon she bought from us made crappy photos!! she said it's an expensive camera, I paid plenty, and I want to know why it doesn't take good pictures!! Oh boy!! The camera won't do it for you, you have to. Nothing will compare to a well conceived and well executed idea. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are afraid to screw up, to allow that old serendipidy to happen. Yeah, they probably are. I think that the flip side of this coin, is that I do believe that a certain amount of gear IS helpful, and can improve on what you are capable of doing. (differing focal length pinholes, a zone plate or rangefinder for proper framing, different focal-length lenses for lens photo) Beyond that line though, lies the title gearhead
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In a message dated 3/21/01 1:38:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, tima...@hotmail.com writes: Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think that if only they had the right or a really good camera they could be great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves and their own vision. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are You know what? I love technology,But i think some of my best work has come from my little expermentsand not from my high tech crap :) just my 2 cents, Harry A HREF=http://www.figurefoto.com/;Figurefoto.com/A
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Hardware geeks
Well,you know, a lot of people hide behind the equipment question and think that if only they had the right or a really good camera they could be great photographers. What is really missing is the confidence in themselves and their own vision. They don't really believe it's the person that clicks the shutter (removes the lenscap?)that creates the magic. Too bad they are afraid to screw up, to allow that old serendipidy to happen. Tina They weren't the least bit interested, when I showed them the cap and my zone plate matted (and hand colored) images. Not supprizing, they are all hardware geeks. They are in love with the machines, and not the images they produce. Photographs are only an excuse to play with their toys. When I run into people that only wan't to talk about their cameras and lenses my responce has become - show me what you have done, not what you own. Kurt _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
