Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
In my experience, the definitive book on lith printing is by Tim Rudmann. I think it is called 'A Master Course in Lith Printing'. Regards, Brigitte. Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.caTo: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A pinhole-discussion-admin@pnatural complement? inhole.com 16/04/2001 13:55 Please respond to pinhole-discussion Jean Daubas wrote: I wanted to post a very interesting resource book about lith printing where you could find excellent comparisons between conventional and Lith prints from the same negative. The book, which I find excellent on many other subjects (especially toning procedures) is : BEYOND MONOCHROME, a Fine Art Printing Workshop by Tony Worobiec and Ray Spence, (c) 1999 ; Published by : Fountain Press Ltd, Kingston upon Thames, Surrey, UK ISBN 0 86 343 313 8 Thanks Jean, I looked for it at Amazon.com and they have it at just a little under $30.00. This is clearly on my list of books to get. Guy ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. The contents of this email and any attachments are strictly confidential and they may not be used or disclosed by someone who is not a named recipient. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender by replying to this email inserting the word misdirected as the message.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
Jean Daubas wrote: I wanted to post a very interesting resource book about lith printing where you could find excellent comparisons between conventional and Lith prints from the same negative. The book, which I find excellent on many other subjects (especially toning procedures) is : BEYOND MONOCHROME, a Fine Art Printing Workshop by Tony Worobiec and Ray Spence, (c) 1999 ; Published by : Fountain Press Ltd, Kingston upon Thames, Surrey, UK ISBN 0 86 343 313 8 Thanks Jean, I looked for it at Amazon.com and they have it at just a little under $30.00. This is clearly on my list of books to get. Guy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
- Original Message - From: Mike Vande Bunt mike.vandeb...@mixcom.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement? Also, would it be possible to see an example of a negative printed on both regular paper and lith paper so that we can see what the contribution of the lith paper is? (It is hard to tell if contrast / tonality is due to it being pinhole, or to the lith printmaking process.) Mike Vande Bunt Hi all ! Very late reply... Since Guy had introduced this Lith subject, I wanted to post a very interesting resource book about lith printing where you could find excellent comparisons between conventional and Lith prints from the same negative. The book, which I find excellent on many other subjects (especially toning procedures) is : BEYOND MONOCHROME, a Fine Art Printing Workshop by Tony Worobiec and Ray Spence, (c) 1999 ; Published by : Fountain Press Ltd, Kingston upon Thames, Surrey, UK ISBN 0 86 343 313 8 There is a whole chapter dedicated to Lith printing, dealing with choice of papers and developers, details of procedures and tests, solving specific problems such as pepper fogging; one of the most interesting part is about the combinations of lith printing with various toners and the very unique results obtained with Lith + split toning. As for the whole book, the choice of the photographs illustrating text descriptions is really perfect and the details of print aspect are really very well rendered through the printing process of the book. Hope it helps, even if lately and Happy Easter from France ! Jean
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
- Original Message - From: Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca Mike Vande Bunt wrote: It makes me wish I had room for a darkroom! It took me 3 years after moving where I currently live before I got my darkroom re-established. It has taken me 5 years, since I moved places..and still counting :-( Maybe this summer :-) Guillermo
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
Mike Vande Bunt wrote: It makes me wish I had room for a darkroom! It took me 3 years after moving where I currently live before I got my darkroom re-established. I was relying on rental darkrooms in the meantime - and still do for my color work. But for all my exhibition work, I use rental facilities, because there is more room to move around and do really large format stuff. But it sure is nice to be able to do some work at home, whether it's a dedicated darkroom or just a closet! Cheers, Guy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
Guy Glorieux wrote: I don't have a standard print of the lith print I posted yesterday. But I just posted a lith print of a pinhole image I had already uploaded earlier this year on the gallery (Rose in winter). To see the difference, check: http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/lithroselr.jpg http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/roseinwinter2.jpg Yes, I've seen the long prints on your site. That's a neat concept for the camera. The 2 versions of Rose in Winter are a great example of the differences (along with your description of what didn't make it through the scanning process). Both prints are nice, but there is a special character to the lith print that I really like. It makes me wish I had room for a darkroom! Mike
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
I'd bet they are tricky; but Photoshop could come to your rescue at this point, now that you've got the idea down. Pam Guy Glorieux wrote: Thanks, Pam. They're kind of tricky to make. These were my first experiments and the luck of the innocent was obviously at play. I find that, knowing more about the camera and the results, I tend to plan too much the sequence of overlaps and, as a result, a 'balanced' panorama gets more difficult to achieve. Cheers, Guy Pam Niedermayer wrote: Guy, these panoramas are so cool, really like all three on that page. Pam ... -- Pamela G. Niedermayer Pinehill Softworks Inc. 600 W. 28th St., Suite 103 Austin, TX 78705 512-236-1677 http://www.pinehill.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
In a message dated 4/2/01 8:15:30 AM, pam_p...@cape.com writes: http://www3.sympatico.ca/guy.glorieux/pnhl4Ang.htm ABSOLOUTELY STUNNING! Thank you for sharing. leezy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
Thanks, Pam. They're kind of tricky to make. These were my first experiments and the luck of the innocent was obviously at play. I find that, knowing more about the camera and the results, I tend to plan too much the sequence of overlaps and, as a result, a 'balanced' panorama gets more difficult to achieve. Cheers, Guy Pam Niedermayer wrote: Guy, these panoramas are so cool, really like all three on that page. Pam Guy Glorieux wrote: This is an ancient Kodak 2A folder converted into pinhole by removing all of the front elements, including the bellows and replacing it by a plate with a single pinhole. I feed it with 120 film. The image frame inside is 2 1/2 x 4 1/4. Since I move the film only partway, I get overlapping exposures on the full length of the film. This gives me greater flexibility than having a multiple pinhole. Using a 6x9 negative holder under the enlarger, I can then select any portion of the negative with overlapping images and print it full frame. In some cases, I have contact printed the whole negative and got an image that is 2 1/4 x 20 inches. Check my web site gallery for these at http://www3.sympatico.ca/guy.glorieux/pnhl4Ang.htm ... -- Pamela G. Niedermayer Pinehill Softworks Inc. 600 W. 28th St., Suite 103 Austin, TX 78705 512-236-1677 http://www.pinehill.com ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
Thanks, Guy! I had not checked 8 Elm's site for a long time since it seemed to be inactive. Now I'll get to see Zernike's zone plate camera. The lith kit looks interesting. Will have to trot down there soon. Tina Tina Martin wrote: Which lith printing paper kit were you using, Guy? Hi Tina, I've been using the Moersch Special Edition 5 Lith kit with Forte Polywarmtone paper. I've been working with Eight Elm photo in Toronto on this and they are discussing with Moersch from Germany to import it in Canada. As I understand it, it will be available in the Spring but perhaps they have a few kits in stock at the moment. They now advertise the Moersch chemistry on their own web site. http://www.eightelmphoto.com/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
Guy, these panoramas are so cool, really like all three on that page. Pam Guy Glorieux wrote: This is an ancient Kodak 2A folder converted into pinhole by removing all of the front elements, including the bellows and replacing it by a plate with a single pinhole. I feed it with 120 film. The image frame inside is 2 1/2 x 4 1/4. Since I move the film only partway, I get overlapping exposures on the full length of the film. This gives me greater flexibility than having a multiple pinhole. Using a 6x9 negative holder under the enlarger, I can then select any portion of the negative with overlapping images and print it full frame. In some cases, I have contact printed the whole negative and got an image that is 2 1/4 x 20 inches. Check my web site gallery for these at http://www3.sympatico.ca/guy.glorieux/pnhl4Ang.htm ... -- Pamela G. Niedermayer Pinehill Softworks Inc. 600 W. 28th St., Suite 103 Austin, TX 78705 512-236-1677 http://www.pinehill.com
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
Mike Vande Bunt wrote: Very nice, I really like the print. Could you tell us about the camera and film used (I am guessing there were 2 pinholes...)? Mike, This is an ancient Kodak 2A folder converted into pinhole by removing all of the front elements, including the bellows and replacing it by a plate with a single pinhole. I feed it with 120 film. The image frame inside is 2 1/2 x 4 1/4. Since I move the film only partway, I get overlapping exposures on the full length of the film. This gives me greater flexibility than having a multiple pinhole. Using a 6x9 negative holder under the enlarger, I can then select any portion of the negative with overlapping images and print it full frame. In some cases, I have contact printed the whole negative and got an image that is 2 1/4 x 20 inches. Check my web site gallery for these at http://www3.sympatico.ca/guy.glorieux/pnhl4Ang.htm Also, would it be possible to see an example of a negative printed on both regular paper and lith paper so that we can see what the contribution of the lith paper is? (It is hard to tell if contrast / tonality is due to it being pinhole, or to the lith printmaking process.) I don't have a standard print of the lith print I posted yesterday. But I just posted a lith print of a pinhole image I had already uploaded earlier this year on the gallery (Rose in winter). To see the difference, check: http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/lithroselr.jpg http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/roseinwinter2.jpg Note that the standard print is cropped somewhat from the full negative, while the lith print is full frame. The lith print shows considerably more contrast than the standard print. It also has a ochre tone in the highlights and dark brown/olive int eh shadows which I was not able to reproduce properly in the posted image. The actual print is 9 1/2 x 91/2. It has considerable graininess arising from the lith process but this is hardly visible on the posted image. This gives a nice vintage charm. The paper is double-weight fiber, which also adds tactile pleasure when holding the print. Guy
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
--- Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi everybody! Really this has been busy times for me lately. But, it seems I just can't stop... I received last week my first Lith Printing kit and I just had to try it on some of my favorite negatives. What a discovery! To me Lith Printing is a natural complement to pinhole. I've loaded a picture at http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/accalmie1lr.jpg Comments welcome! Guy - Very nice work, I enjoy the atmosphere. I will be working with Lith printing this summer, and it is good to see that there are others doing the same. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
Very nice, I really like the print. Could you tell us about the camera and film used (I am guessing there were 2 pinholes...)? Also, would it be possible to see an example of a negative printed on both regular paper and lith paper so that we can see what the contribution of the lith paper is? (It is hard to tell if contrast / tonality is due to it being pinhole, or to the lith printmaking process.) Mike Vande Bunt Guy Glorieux wrote: Hi everybody! Really this has been busy times for me lately. But, it seems I just can't stop... I received last week my first Lith Printing kit and I just had to try it on some of my favorite negatives. What a discovery! To me Lith Printing is a natural complement to pinhole. I've loaded a picture at http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/accalmie1lr.jpg Comments welcome! Anybody else does lith printing on this list? I'd be happy to hear and share experiences. Cheers, Guy P.S. Lith Printing is a special BW printing process using specific types of paper and a specific type of paper developer. The paper is massively overexposed under the enlarger and processed in highly diluted developer for very a long period of times (from 8 to 30 minutes, with constant agitation...). The print turns in shades of colors and yields very different contrasts ranges in the highlights and the shadows. Something like split toning, but different, all taking place at the developer stage. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
Re: [pinhole-discussion] Pinhole and lith printing - A natural complement?
Which lith printing paper kit were you using, Guy? I have lith developer and have used it with some non lith papers (infectious development method)but hadn't found lith paper in Toronto. Was thinking of ordering some from the USA. BTW have you seen the book The Master Photographer's Lith Printing Course by Tim Rudman? Very helpful and inspiring. Tina Hi everybody! Really this has been busy times for me lately. But, it seems I just can't stop... I received last week my first Lith Printing kit and I just had to try it on some of my favorite negatives. What a discovery! To me Lith Printing is a natural complement to pinhole. I've loaded a picture at http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/accalmie1lr.jpg Comments welcome! Anybody else does lith printing on this list? I'd be happy to hear and share experiences. Cheers, Guy P.S. Lith Printing is a special BW printing process using specific types of paper and a specific type of paper developer. The paper is massively overexposed under the enlarger and processed in highly diluted developer for very a long period of times (from 8 to 30 minutes, with constant agitation...). The print turns in shades of colors and yields very different contrasts ranges in the highlights and the shadows. Something like split toning, but different, all taking place at the developer stage. ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ _ Pinhole Visions at http://www.p at ??? ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
