Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday 03 February 2011 16:51:34 todd rme wrote: or tab lists on web browsers. Just as a note: I'm working on that together with rekonq developers (see complete thread [1]). I expect to start the kwin side of the implementation after shadow rework. Cheers Martin [1]: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2011-January/002316.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011 16:51:34 todd rme wrote: or tab lists on web browsers. Just as a note: I'm working on that together with rekonq developers (see complete thread [1]). I expect to start the kwin side of the implementation after shadow rework. apps being able to expose tabs in windows would be great. +1 to that. (as for apps, i still wish we had a completed silky; sebas: we should do some project dev and promo around it and see if we can't get some new developers plonking away on it!) -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager. Use cases could this be done with the status notifier spec? -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager. Use cases could this be done with the status notifier spec? I don't know. As I said, I don't have any technical knowledge of that spec. That is why I said this could use this spec, or be an extension to it, or be an entirely new spec. I don't know enough to know the relative merits of any of these approaches to recommend one over the others. -Todd ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday 03 February 2011 18:47:01 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011 16:51:34 todd rme wrote: or tab lists on web browsers. Just as a note: I'm working on that together with rekonq developers (see complete thread [1]). I expect to start the kwin side of the implementation after shadow rework. apps being able to expose tabs in windows would be great. +1 to that. (as for apps, i still wish we had a completed silky; sebas: we should do some project dev and promo around it and see if we can't get some new developers plonking away on it!) +100 to that. I would rather like to see an awesome selkie and a proper solution to the web problem, than sticking to the broken one app as container for many app concept. So exposing the tabs is for me just a short term solution on the road to silk. Cheers Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager. Use cases could this be done with the status notifier spec? sounds to me like a set of action associated to an item... so yes ;) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager. Use cases could this be done with the status notifier spec? sounds to me like a set of action associated to an item... so yes ;) Cheers, Marco Martin Does the spec have hints for locations, the ability to pass sets of significant-sized pixmaps with the ability to click on them, categories the tool displaying them can use as cues, and the other parts necessary to display, organize, and format the buttons around the edge of a 2D block? -Todd ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager. Use cases could this be done with the status notifier spec? sounds to me like a set of action associated to an item... so yes ;) Cheers, Marco Martin Does the spec have hints for locations, the ability to pass sets of significant-sized pixmaps with the ability to click on them, categories the tool displaying them can use as cues, and the other parts necessary to display, organize, and format the buttons around the edge of a 2D block? answer: you don't want application developers doing that. it assumes a 2D block. what happens when we change that? it assumes app devs know where to position things: they don't. :) on the app side always set metadata, enough so the rendering app can decide how to sort it out. on the visualization side, do the arranging. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: One feature I think would be useful would be if applications were able to add buttons to their thumbnails in the task manager. Use cases could this be done with the status notifier spec? sounds to me like a set of action associated to an item... so yes ;) Cheers, Marco Martin Does the spec have hints for locations, the ability to pass sets of significant-sized pixmaps with the ability to click on them, categories the tool displaying them can use as cues, and the other parts necessary to display, organize, and format the buttons around the edge of a 2D block? answer: you don't want application developers doing that. it assumes a 2D block. what happens when we change that? it assumes app devs know where to position things: they don't. :) on the app side always set metadata, enough so the rendering app can decide how to sort it out. on the visualization side, do the arranging. But how does the visualization know how to arrange things? Also, there is the issue with passing pixmaps. -Todd ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday, February 3, 2011, todd rme wrote: But how does the visualization know how to arrange things? metadata. if there isn't enough metadata or the right sort, we add it. Also, there is the issue with passing pixmaps. this is already available in the spec :) -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday 03 February 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011 18:47:01 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Thursday 03 February 2011 16:51:34 todd rme wrote: or tab lists on web browsers. Just as a note: I'm working on that together with rekonq developers (see complete thread [1]). I expect to start the kwin side of the implementation after shadow rework. apps being able to expose tabs in windows would be great. +1 to that. (as for apps, i still wish we had a completed silky; sebas: we should do some project dev and promo around it and see if we can't get some new developers plonking away on it!) +100 to that. I would rather like to see an awesome selkie and a proper solution to the web problem, than sticking to the broken one app as container for many app concept. So exposing the tabs is for me just a short term solution on the road to silk. if marketed well, it could attract quite some people. i envision a selkie done quite like: * the web widget using just the main site web page as now * web apps distributed in packages, with configs, icons for the services, javascript/css snippets to unscrew the site itsef, hiding parts, whatever... * extra toolbars ..and this more or less is present in selkie in it current for, i think? there is where the neat comes. as Nuno briefly mentioned, the other day we were having a nice chat about how the look and stilyng of our current destop applications is not enough(tm) anymore, but to be technically possible to move to a better thing a quite long roadmap is needed. in the selkie package, distribute also qml plasmoids (with eventual services/dataengines, all in js) and will a) nice a set of desktop plasmoids related to that service, but... b) those plamoids can provide ui for selkie itself, as we are doing our device specific profiles for qml plasmoids, there could be a profile for selkie too, so for instance the application could give also tabs with a qml based ui for the service but in a bigger window, so would become alsmost a full application (maybe styled in a semi natie widget style) using the native html ui, will become just the last resort (in another tab?) when a better ui isn't available. * this would look sexy * would show explicitly a way out of the browser * would mark a prototype on how a full desktop application could look without painting limitations qwidgets now have * enough? ;) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Marco Martin wrote: * this would look sexy * would show explicitly a way out of the browser * would mark a prototype on how a full desktop application could look without painting limitations qwidgets now have * enough? ;) this would be truly awesome; merging QML plasmoids and seklie is brilliant. should we add this to our 2011 roadmap? if so, target 4.7 or 4.8? -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
Re: Thumbnail buttons and actions
On Thursday 03 February 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, February 3, 2011, Marco Martin wrote: * this would look sexy * would show explicitly a way out of the browser * would mark a prototype on how a full desktop application could look without painting limitations qwidgets now have * enough? ;) this would be truly awesome; merging QML plasmoids and seklie is brilliant. should we add this to our 2011 roadmap? sure thing, just did. if so, target 4.7 or 4.8? depends on the work force that can be found, and if selkie wants to have a release for 4.7 i would go for a proof of concept in time for 4.7 ( basic support in the application *seems* quite easy?) full usable thing, at least for a single site for 4.8 Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
