Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:30 PM, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> Monday meeting time!
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>
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Hi,
I couldn't attend, so here are my notes

* Most of the week, work on preloading plasmodis for "first impression"
** finished and pushed the preload patch, 3 policies supported with env var
** refined it to make sure everything is preloaded and the items are
already parented where they should, there may still be some nested
listviews (hello devicenotifier) or plasmoids with very fat delegates
(hello networkmanager) which could use more optimization, but i'm
happy for now
** work to make the systray items take advantage of preload
* started to work on "Cards" component for Kirigami, design phase and
first prototypes in the Kirigmai channels (hopefully will be the first
component that will get an hig while is being developed)
* helped Fredrik to test the dma buf wayland protocol for kwin

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 12:26:42PM +0200, Marco Martin wrote:
> Notes for today, 23 October 2017

Bhushan:

- Tried to investigate the bug with kwayland-integration and the plasma
  mobile shell along with d_ed, no luck so far pinpointing actual issue,
  we do know the cause of bug however.
- Fixing the idletime on phone
- Investigated the cause for the brightness reset on start, pondering on
  fix, which would be horrible timer sadly (issue on phone)
- Build fix in the kwin wayland hwcomposer plugin
- Looking into pulseaudio as top priority right now

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[David Edmundson]

​Fabian also added some comments just after:
‎[12:06] ‎<‎fvogt‎>‎ * Did some strace-based profiling of plasma startup -
discovered two things:
‎[12:06] ‎<‎fvogt‎>‎ ** The applicationDir is added as first entry to the
QML and Library search paths, slowing lookups down considerably
‎[12:06] ‎<‎fvogt‎>‎ especially for libraries, as it literally opened every
file in /usr/bin/ to check whether it's a plugin...
‎[12:07] ‎<‎fvogt‎>‎ Easy workaround available, but should probably be
fixed in Qt
‎[12:08] ‎<‎fvogt‎>‎ ** KPluginLoader::forEachPlugin takes significantly
more time if all plugins are in a single directory, so there should
probably be a policy to put them into subdirs
‎[12:09] ‎<‎fvogt‎>‎ ** Plasma wayland session is now tested by openQA in
the usual Tumbleweed release process - so if you break stuff it delays our
releases, so please don't do that :P
‎[12:09] ‎<‎fvogt‎>‎ EOF

Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> Present: Riddell, kbroulik, notmart, mgraesslin, Mathieu, sebas,
> Date: December 14th, 2015
>
> PSA:
> * The Plasma 5.6 Kickoff meeting is tomorrow Tuesday 15:00UTC/16:00CET
> * Next Plasma hangout is on 4th of January, not hangout in the next two weeks,
> too many people won't be available, and we all should slow down once in a
> while. Happy holichristmas!

Bhushan:

- Rebuilding frameworks/plasma packages for mobile
- Had plan to do next image today, but plasma doesn't start (delayed
till tomorrow)
- Working on getting camera working for plasma mobile

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> bshash:
> - pushed screenlocker split to make it wayland-ready

Uhoh, I meant screenlocker integrated into kwin_wayland

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Eike Hein]

On 11/16/2015 01:13 PM, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> Sho:
> - favorite migration not entirely figured out


That's about the planned KActivities-backed favorites stuff
(which is skipping 5.5 now); migrating faves from the old
config format to the new one for the backend swap in 5.5 is
taken care of tho.


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Re: minutes monday plasma hangout

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

Hi,

- merged new session model and user switcher plasmoid, migrated lock screen to 
it (thanks Bhushan for merging)
- not sure if new user switcher makes it for 5 Nov
- various bug fixes (back mouse button support in Kickoff, changing applet 
visibility in systray)

I also fixed notification popup continuously expanding with 
QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO > 1, so I was wondering what's still missing to enable it 
for plasmashell again. From what I can tell panelcontroller more menu still 
expands and some blur / contrast regions are off but font rendering looks fine 
here (Qt 5.4.2 and 5.5.1) as well as panel struts are correct.

Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone.

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Re: minutes monday plasma hangout

[Martin Graesslin]

On Monday, November 2, 2015 12:54:17 PM CET Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> - merged new session model and user switcher plasmoid, migrated lock screen
> to it (thanks Bhushan for merging) - not sure if new user switcher makes it
> for 5 Nov

please note that Nov 5 is not the feature freeze, but repo freeze. As long as 
you want to put code into existing repos you have time till 19th.

Cheers
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Marco Martin  wrote:
> Present: David, Jens, Martin G, Marco

Bhushan
- Released IMG9 for mobile with newer frameworks and plasma
- Trying out firefox on the plasma mobile : http://i.imgur.com/wcsYQnQ.png
- It works very well, have some profile hacks for screen resolution
and other random stuffs
- Will release new amd64 based iso for plasma mobile by today

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Sebastian Kügler  wrote:
> Bhushan:
> - automated the mobile image creation (working on CI)
> - started working on mobile-friendly lockscreen

Oh, forgot to add one point,

- We are starting Season of KDE 2015 soon, add your ideas here:
https://community.kde.org/SoK/Ideas/2015

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Martin Graesslin]

On Monday, September 28, 2015 10:44:41 AM CEST Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> Present: David, Marco, Martin G., Ovidiu, sebas
> Date: 28 September, 2015
> 
> David:
> - investigating crash in printer-manager
> - bug-triaged of systemsettings
> - talked to Limux people about a sprint
> 
> Marco:
> - worked on widget explorer (adding screenshots)
> - config dialogs in Plasma Mobile for widgets
> - okular-based reader is now more performant
> - wanted to work on components for mobile, but needs some de-confusion
> in mobile HIG (will talk to Thomas and Jens)
> - will go back to Wayland work
> 
> Martin:
> - was on vacation
> - will go to Qt World Summit next week
> - discussing with Unity devs changes in statusnotifier protocol

that was the Martin (last name) not Martin (first name) ;-)

> - someone is interested in adding VNC support to kwin
> - We now have API docs for KWayland
> 
> Ovidiu:
> - progress on pootle for KDE (web-based stuff for translations)
> - updated Romanian KDE translations guide,
> - working on KDE Romania website (will be at ro.kde.org)
> 
> Sebastian:
> - worked on splitting the owncloud client so it can be used as lib by
> third parties: basics build, fixing stuff and upstreaming / merging
> changes planned next
> - will resume work on Wayland screen management protocol this week,
> protocol is mostly done, implementation needs a few changes, then more
> review and fixes


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Jens Reuterberg]

On Monday, August 17, 2015 05:12:00 AM Jeremy Whiting wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
  Present: Bhushan, David, Jens, Kai Uwe, Martin G, Ozark, Sebastian
  Date: 17 August, 2015
  
  Bhushan:
  - working on apps, first off comic book reader
  - Looked into Plasma Moible on Archlinux:
  https://github.com/bhush9/plasma-arch
  
  David:
  - fixed some shoddy porting
  - Fixed translations
  - Fixed a bug in KScreen
  - 5.4 looks pretty good, probably not a log of real bugs (or too little
  testing!)
  - will fix davetray after 5.4 is out
  
  
  Jens:
  - visited GUADEC, GNOME struggles with many of the same problems as KDE
  does
 Which problems are you referring to specifically? For those of us that
 weren't at GUADEC and are curious.

Well they have similar issues as us when it comes to things like dev-bleeding, 
how to attract new people, retain people who are here, how to minimize the 
threshold to get into KDE/GNOME and in general make our communities more 
pleasant places to be in, work in and be part of.

That issue balloons into things like What technical methods do we employ to 
make contributing code easier and things like How to make sure our community 
remain visible and to How to make sure the community remains independent 
from companies and sponsors.

One proposal was to see if the people in Gnome working on that issue (Sriram 
for example) could talk to people withing KDE who does the same thing (Like 
Lydia) to at least compare notes. Why do twice the work independently when we 
can help each other out.

Other issues was how to make certain the drawbridge is down between the Gnome 
community and the KDE community. The fact that we know fairly little about 
each other in comparison how theoretically close we are (and practically close 
we could be) shows that we should see if we couldn't make that communication 
simpler (outside of bugreports that tend to go into slugfests).

Just a shortlist of things...   

 
  Kai Uwe:
  - Fixes here and there
  - interfaces powerdevil with his ambient light sensor in a hackish way
  - tried Skeyer, gesture-based keyboard which comes with a maliit plugin
  
  [1] https://saidinesh5.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/on-the-way-to-skeyer/
  [2] https://bitbucket.org/skeyer/skeyer/
  
  Martin:
  - Working on KWin QPA progressing well
  - now working on input devices
  - looking into the OpenGL story right now
  
  Sebas:
  - Worked on KScreen/Wayland wl protocol for disconnected outputs w/ Martin
  - Discussed merge plans with dvratil (either wayland-integration or
  libkscreen)
  - Finalized Plasma Mobile vision
  - Worked a lot on docs for Plasma Mobile (see wiki)
  - will do more docs
  - more phabricator (task workflow basics are there, migrate more, then
  move on to code reviews)
  - interview this afternoon
  - finalize
  
  
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Jeremy Whiting]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 Present: Bhushan, David, Jens, Kai Uwe, Martin G, Ozark, Sebastian
 Date: 17 August, 2015

 Bhushan:
 - working on apps, first off comic book reader
 - Looked into Plasma Moible on Archlinux: 
 https://github.com/bhush9/plasma-arch

 David:
 - fixed some shoddy porting
 - Fixed translations
 - Fixed a bug in KScreen
 - 5.4 looks pretty good, probably not a log of real bugs (or too little
 testing!)
 - will fix davetray after 5.4 is out


 Jens:
 - visited GUADEC, GNOME struggles with many of the same problems as KDE does

Which problems are you referring to specifically? For those of us that
weren't at GUADEC and are curious.


 Kai Uwe:
 - Fixes here and there
 - interfaces powerdevil with his ambient light sensor in a hackish way
 - tried Skeyer, gesture-based keyboard which comes with a maliit plugin
 [1] https://saidinesh5.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/on-the-way-to-skeyer/
 [2] https://bitbucket.org/skeyer/skeyer/

 Martin:
 - Working on KWin QPA progressing well
 - now working on input devices
 - looking into the OpenGL story right now

 Sebas:
 - Worked on KScreen/Wayland wl protocol for disconnected outputs w/ Martin
 - Discussed merge plans with dvratil (either wayland-integration or
 libkscreen)
 - Finalized Plasma Mobile vision
 - Worked a lot on docs for Plasma Mobile (see wiki)
 - will do more docs
 - more phabricator (task workflow basics are there, migrate more, then move on
 to code reviews)
 - interview this afternoon
 - finalize


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

Forgot to add:

Due to popular demand [1] I worked on porting the Solid auto mounter which was 
forgotten during the split from kde-runtime to plasma-desktop.

https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124730/

[1] in basically every G+ post, reddit thread or comment on news pages about 
the Plasma 5.4 Beta release there was someone complaining about it missing ;)


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Jens Reuterberg]

On Monday, August 17, 2015 05:12:00 AM Jeremy Whiting wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
  Present: Bhushan, David, Jens, Kai Uwe, Martin G, Ozark, Sebastian
  Date: 17 August, 2015
  
  Bhushan:
  - working on apps, first off comic book reader
  - Looked into Plasma Moible on Archlinux:
  https://github.com/bhush9/plasma-arch
  
  David:
  - fixed some shoddy porting
  - Fixed translations
  - Fixed a bug in KScreen
  - 5.4 looks pretty good, probably not a log of real bugs (or too little
  testing!)
  - will fix davetray after 5.4 is out
  
  
  Jens:
  - visited GUADEC, GNOME struggles with many of the same problems as KDE
  does
 Which problems are you referring to specifically? For those of us that
 weren't at GUADEC and are curious.

Well they have similar issues as us when it comes to things like dev-bleeding, 
how to attract new people, retain people who are here, how to minimize the 
threshold to get into KDE/GNOME and in general make our communities more 
pleasant places to be in, work in and be part of.

That issue balloons into things like What technical methods do we employ to 
make contributing code easier and things like How to make sure our community 
remain visible and to How to make sure the community remains independent 
from companies and sponsors.

One proposal was to see if the people in Gnome working on that issue (Sriram 
for example) could talk to people withing KDE who does the same thing (Like 
Lydia) to at least compare notes. Why do twice the work independently when we 
can help each other out.

Other issues was how to make certain the drawbridge is down between the Gnome 
community and the KDE community. The fact that we know fairly little about 
each other in comparison how theoretically close we are (and practically close 
we could be) shows that we should see if we couldn't make that communication 
simpler (outside of bugreports that tend to go into slugfests).

Just a shortlist of things...   


 
  Kai Uwe:
  - Fixes here and there
  - interfaces powerdevil with his ambient light sensor in a hackish way
  - tried Skeyer, gesture-based keyboard which comes with a maliit plugin
  
  [1] https://saidinesh5.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/on-the-way-to-skeyer/
  [2] https://bitbucket.org/skeyer/skeyer/
  
  Martin:
  - Working on KWin QPA progressing well
  - now working on input devices
  - looking into the OpenGL story right now
  
  Sebas:
  - Worked on KScreen/Wayland wl protocol for disconnected outputs w/ Martin
  - Discussed merge plans with dvratil (either wayland-integration or
  libkscreen)
  - Finalized Plasma Mobile vision
  - Worked a lot on docs for Plasma Mobile (see wiki)
  - will do more docs
  - more phabricator (task workflow basics are there, migrate more, then
  move on to code reviews)
  - interview this afternoon
  - finalize
  
  
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, July 13, 2015 10:32:42 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Next week: no hangout on Monday, but on Tuesday due to public holiday in 
 relevant regions

Forget this line, it's an error.
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Eike Hein]

Eike
* Finished refactoring the Kicker backend to (among other
  things) allow favorite'ing arbitrary things like contacts
  with realtime status information:
  http://wstaw.org/m/2015/07/05/contactfaves.png
* Ongoing: Lean fullscreen launcher interface (to make up for
  old Homerun) using this backend; porting Kickoff to this
  backend to get feature parity between all of the launchers
* Some early toying with a new version of libtaskmanager
  implemented as proxy models on top of the PlasmaWindowModel
  I put into kwayland recently


Cheers,
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 11 May 2015, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Marco:
 - ported libplasma mostly away from ksycoca, handling bugs resulting from
 that now
 - experiment to use only one QQmlEngine for all applets: slightly faster,
 less memory
   - see thread Good news regarding Qt 5.5 on plasma-devel list

forgotten a point:
- restored possibility to load kcms inline in plasmoid config dialogs, but 
only valid for the qml ones, same key in the applet desktop file (already used 
for the volume control one)

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 - kactivity usage stats

See : https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2015-May/041331.html

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Eike Hein]

For the record, I'm still somewhat against all of these QML
KCM ports ...

Qt Quick Controls currently:

- Has no form layouts and other problems making it difficult to
  implement good config UIs (e.g. no way to get the metrics to
  do nice hanging indents). Numerous Qt Quick UIs we have are
  really badly laid out compared to their Plasma 4 equivalents.

- No automatic keyboard accelerator management.

- Worse performance.

- Incomplete QStyle support and as a result various visual and
  behavioral integration issues.

- Worse hardware compatibility (Qt Quick 2 requires OpenGL, i.e.
  all of these UIs stop working if GL/llvmpipe breaks).

I also see no real *benefit* right now beyond Qt Quick Controls
is the future. It may well be, but what matters is the quality
of what's in any given tarball. I understand amassing code using
it generates pressure to get it there, but do we really want to
use the suffering of our userbase as leverage? Have we really
tried everything we can to address these problems before we
expose more users to them yet?

This is going to lower the quality of the software we ship for
a good while. Not to take a cheap shot, but anyone read boud's
recent blog post?


Cheers,
Eike


On 04/27/2015 12:54 PM, Marco Martin wrote:

Monday hangout notes for 27 April 2015

Antonis
* bugfixing
* thinking about porting fonts or icons to QML

Bhushan
* recent media backend to PMC to like know what episode you are in while
watching a tv show

David E
* long bugfixing week
* hack qt4 apps to correctly load statusnotifiers in Debian
* working to fix a crash in qml animations

David R
* Bluetooth applet
* can control mediaplayer from device, shows current playing
* bugfixing
* next, maybe porting its kcms to qml

Jonathan:
* 5.3 out tomorrow
* please take a look to the announcement/errata, correct if necessary
* https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.3.0.php
* https://community.kde.org/Plasma/5.3_Errata
* https://www.kde.org/info/plasma-5.3.0.php

Martin G
* worked on managing monitor edid
* code for overriding wrong information from screens
* direct rendering mode for kwin, merged: kwin_wayland --drm --libinput --
xwayland
* hotplugging of outputs, already better than X11
* will continue work on drm backend

Tim Ramms
* fixes for notifications and jobs

Vishesh
* Bugfixes in baloo and krunner
* will merge new indexer in master

Marco
* qml port of mouse KCM: needs a solution to combobox bugs to be merged
* branch in libplasma to port away from sycoca: target is to stop installing
desktop files in kservices5
* next week will continue on that
* will continue on bugfixes


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[David Edmundson]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Vishesh Handa m...@vhanda.in wrote:


 On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:

 * Possible mismatch between Dolphin and Plasma, since they use different
 baloo
 databases


 Could you please elaborate?


What you said in the thread Plasma 5.4 Release Schedule.

Jonathan was saying in his notes that the previous week we had discussed
the schedule, and 5.4 is being delayed partly because you want it (and
partly because of Akademy and other things mentioned in that thread)

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Vishesh Handa]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:

 * Possible mismatch between Dolphin and Plasma, since they use different
 baloo
 databases


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, April 13, 2015 13:11:33 David Edmundson wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Vishesh Handa m...@vhanda.in wrote:
  On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
  * Possible mismatch between Dolphin and Plasma, since they use different
  baloo
  databases
  
  Could you please elaborate?
 
 What you said in the thread Plasma 5.4 Release Schedule.
 
 Jonathan was saying in his notes that the previous week we had discussed
 the schedule, and 5.4 is being delayed partly because you want it (and
 partly because of Akademy and other things mentioned in that thread)

One thing that was brought up by Martin is that Dolphin should be able to know 
which baloo database to pick, so Dolphin handles this case gracefully. It 
makes sense in the light of decoupling application and workspace releases, but 
probably but some additional burden on apps such as Dolphin, which should be 
able to use the right index, whether it runs in Plasma 4 or 5.

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote:
 minutes of hangout from 30 march 2015:

Bhushan Shah:

- Bug fixes
  Lockscreen password field focus fix.
  1 pixel gap between right aligned panel and screen edge
- VDG thread for TV optimized dashboard support in PMC
https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285t=125594
- Planned more bugfixes

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

Ivan:
- mostly work on ResourceModel in libkactivities-stats
- few squashed bugs

On 9 March 2015 at 22:01, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 On Monday, March 09, 2015 12:30:44 Marco Martin wrote:
 notes for hangout of 9 March:

 present: Jens, David, Kai Uwe, Vishesh, Marco

 From me (sorry for not being able to attend):
 - Worked on papercuts, quite a few down already
 - Fixed a regression (caused by myself) in the tooltip (thanks everybody who
helped, I *think* we got it right just in time for the Frameworks 5.8
release
 - NM Plasmoid's tooltip is now more in line with other systray widgets
 - Pager collapses to zero width (or height) now when virtual desktops  2
 - Toolbox is more subtle (faded background)
 - Kickoff's Recently Used tab is now called History (shorter labels are
 happy labels)

 I think that's it from my side.
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote:
 present: Jens, David, Kai Uwe, Vishesh, Marco

Bhushan:
- plasma-mediacenter in kde/workspace
- will work on restoring playlist functionality next week
- there will be no more kde4 based release of pmc now; 1.3 was last release

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, March 09, 2015 12:30:44 Marco Martin wrote:
 notes for hangout of 9 March:
 
 present: Jens, David, Kai Uwe, Vishesh, Marco

From me (sorry for not being able to attend):
- Worked on papercuts, quite a few down already
- Fixed a regression (caused by myself) in the tooltip (thanks everybody who 
   helped, I *think* we got it right just in time for the Frameworks 5.8 
   release
- NM Plasmoid's tooltip is now more in line with other systray widgets
- Pager collapses to zero width (or height) now when virtual desktops  2
- Toolbox is more subtle (faded background)
- Kickoff's Recently Used tab is now called History (shorter labels are 
happy labels)

I think that's it from my side.
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

Ivan:

In Moscow, spreading C++ and KDE love. Will be back this Thursday.

Cheerio,
Ivan

On 2 March 2015 at 13:48, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 Hey there!

 Today's minutes from our weekly hangout session ahead!

 Present: Harald, Kai, Martin G., Sebastian, David, Vishesh, Jonathan

 2nd March, 2015

 David
 * Merged timedated patches into systemsettings
 * worked on highdpi stuff, has test hardware now
 * Fixed ksnapshot hidpi
 * has Qt patches for hidpi
 * More hidpi stuff this week (mostly QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO)
 * Kubuntu testing  fixes planned

 Vishesh
 * Worked on Xapian replacement, looking /really/ good performance-wise
 * Working on calculator runner to be safer not to lock up resources

 Jonathan
 * Released 5.2.1 bugfix update

 Harald
 * Just here for the biscuits (which biscuits? someone should bring biscuits!)
 * Looks into docs of release scripts, tarballs and translation problem

 Kai
 * Fixed bug in popups when switching themes (used wrong, transparent artwork)

 Marco
 * Working on hidpi support in FrameSvg (
 https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/122673/ )
 * Working on QML modules as KCModules
 * Works on a little tool to explore and edit Plasma themes

 Martin
 * Has Wayland server running, not yet able to manage Wayland clients
 * XWayland compositing, cursor handling and input goes through Wayland
 * Integrate Wayland clients, starting with Kwin's integrated ones, highly WIP
 * Work is in clones/mgraesslin/kwin[wayland-qpa-no-merge]
 * Problem with Samsung monitor and dpi settings / icon scaling
 * Fixed geolocation to use Mozilla location services
 * Patch to use wifi data for geolocation (will make it default to off for
 privacy)


 Sebastian Kügler
 * Rewrote Plasma's tooltip layout
 * WIP work on pager tooltips

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

ivan: finishing main parts of libKActivitiesStats ResultSet testing
suite. Working on the ResultWatcher.

On 2 February 2015 at 13:23, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote:


 Martin G was at FOSDEM: cross-desktop Wayland meeting:
 - systray, notifications, no xembed for wayland enlightenment-
 statusnotificer
 - gnome-persistent notifications extension, they don't want user
 interacting
 with systray


 Can you please share some more info about these^? Or is it somewhere
 noted down in public?

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Martin Klapetek]

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote:


 Martin G was at FOSDEM: cross-desktop Wayland meeting:
 - systray, notifications, no xembed for wayland enlightenment-
 statusnotificer
 - gnome-persistent notifications extension, they don't want user
 interacting
 with systray


Can you please share some more info about these^? Or is it somewhere
noted down in public?

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

On Monday 19 January 2015 12:45:20 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Present: Leinir, David, Jens, Kai Uwe, Marco, Martin (G.  K.), Vishesh,
 Sebastian
 
 19th January, 2014

Ivan: 
The experimental KActivities Stats library
- namespace is KActivities::Experimental::Stats, planned to move to
KActivities::Stats when it becomes stable;
- Supports getting the information about used resourcecs, linked resources
to activities;
- Can filter the results according to the activity in which they were
used, agent which accessed them;
- Ordering of the results (for used resources) can be by the highest
   score, by url, by the time when they were first or last used.

TODO:
- Support filtering by type (needs changes in KAMD)
- Support ordering by title (needs changes in KAMD)
- Support other orderings for the linked resources
- Support merging lists of linked and used resources
 ...


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 05 January 2015, Eike Hein wrote:
 On 01/05/2015 03:46 PM, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
  Get better!
 
 Gute Besserung!
 

we, thanks everybody :)


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Jan 5, 2015 12:42 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:

 Present: David, Kai Uwe, Martin G., Martin K., sebas

Wasn't present (disabled by flu) but:
Worked with david to get kpackage working without regressions on old
workspace
Worked on the plotter patch, but in the end didn't merge for this release
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Martin Gräßlin]

Am 2015-01-05 15:36, schrieb Marco Martin:

On Jan 5, 2015 12:42 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 
  Present: David, Kai Uwe, Martin G., Martin K., sebas

Wasn't present (disabled by flu) but:


get well soon *hugs*
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, January 05, 2015 15:45:29 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
 Am 2015-01-05 15:36, schrieb Marco Martin:
  On Jan 5, 2015 12:42 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
   
Present: David, Kai Uwe, Martin G., Martin K., sebas
 
  
 
  Wasn't present (disabled by flu) but:
 get well soon *hugs*

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Eike Hein]

On 01/05/2015 03:46 PM, Sebastian Kügler wrote:

Get better!


Gute Besserung!


Cheers,
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Martin Gräßlin]

On Tuesday 09 December 2014 12:58:19 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Martin:
 - Will check if the fix for context menues is in 5.4.0

just checked: the problematic commit is in 5.4 branch but *not* in 5.4.0 tag.

Cheers
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On 01.12.2014 13:05, Sebastian Kügler wrote:

Aleix:
[...]
- worked on kamoso, frameworks branch should work like 4.x version, modulo
- sharing of pictures (could be shared with quickshare plasmoid)


What about Share/Like/Connect? Is that completely dead by now? Will it 
come back at a later point?


And there are also Friedrich Kossebau's (CC'ed) plans for a new context 
plugin framework which would also allow sharing (he talked to the 
usability group about them at Akademy). Could we use that when it's done?


Sharing is more and more important and should be accessible as easily as 
possible, without having to add additional Plasmoids manually.
It's okay to get this at a later point, but our sharing story is still 
too weak in general and has to be improved.


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 01 December 2014, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
 On 01.12.2014 13:05, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
  Aleix:
  [...]
  - worked on kamoso, frameworks branch should work like 4.x version,
  modulo - sharing of pictures (could be shared with quickshare plasmoid)
 
 What about Share/Like/Connect? Is that completely dead by now? Will it
 come back at a later point?

as soon there is some library to share stuff, for instance the mentioned one, 
having it used by share/like connect becomes trivial (also more applications 
starting to report their current open file).
i didn't really try to port so far becasue what was still missing was
a) the share library
b) integrated with kaccounts for authentication

that or *anything* else would solve the problem

 And there are also Friedrich Kossebau's (CC'ed) plans for a new context
 plugin framework which would also allow sharing (he talked to the
 usability group about them at Akademy). Could we use that when it's done?

ah, didn't know those.. where there is more info?

 Sharing is more and more important and should be accessible as easily as
 possible, without having to add additional Plasmoids manually.

one thing i would like is the share icon also automatically activated and 
added in the systray by default when the current application is exporting some 
url

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Aleix Pol]

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer thomas.pfeif...@kde.org
wrote:

 On 01.12.2014 13:05, Sebastian Kügler wrote:

 Aleix:
 [...]
 - worked on kamoso, frameworks branch should work like 4.x version, modulo
 - sharing of pictures (could be shared with quickshare plasmoid)


 What about Share/Like/Connect? Is that completely dead by now? Will it
 come back at a later point?

Well, it should be usable for the Share part, I guess. Yes.



 And there are also Friedrich Kossebau's (CC'ed) plans for a new context
 plugin framework which would also allow sharing (he talked to the usability
 group about them at Akademy). Could we use that when it's done?

I wasn't there, I can be filled-in.



 Sharing is more and more important and should be accessible as easily as
 possible, without having to add additional Plasmoids manually.

First iteration should be to integrate it into Kamoso like Kamoso-kde4 used
to do. No plasmoids, involved.


 It's okay to get this at a later point, but our sharing story is still too
 weak in general and has to be improved.

+1

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Mario Fux]

Am Montag, 01. Dezember 2014, 14.49:09 schrieb Marco Martin:

Morning

 On Monday 01 December 2014, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
  On 01.12.2014 13:05, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
   Aleix:
   [...]
   - worked on kamoso, frameworks branch should work like 4.x version,
   modulo - sharing of pictures (could be shared with quickshare plasmoid)
  
  What about Share/Like/Connect? Is that completely dead by now? Will it
  come back at a later point?
 
 as soon there is some library to share stuff, for instance the mentioned
 one, having it used by share/like connect becomes trivial (also more
 applications starting to report their current open file).
 i didn't really try to port so far becasue what was still missing was
 a) the share library

Was there a kdelibs4 version or was it missing back then too?

 b) integrated with kaccounts for authentication
 
 that or *anything* else would solve the problem
 
  And there are also Friedrich Kossebau's (CC'ed) plans for a new context
  plugin framework which would also allow sharing (he talked to the
  usability group about them at Akademy). Could we use that when it's done?
 
 ah, didn't know those.. where there is more info?

https://frinring.wordpress.com/

  Sharing is more and more important and should be accessible as easily as
  possible, without having to add additional Plasmoids manually.
 
 one thing i would like is the share icon also automatically activated and
 added in the systray by default when the current application is exporting
 some url

griits
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 01 December 2014, Mario Fux wrote:
  as soon there is some library to share stuff, for instance the mentioned
  one, having it used by share/like connect becomes trivial (also more
  applications starting to report their current open file).
  i didn't really try to port so far becasue what was still missing was
  a) the share library
 
 Was there a kdelibs4 version or was it missing back then too?

nope, that's the reason why sadly in kde4 share like connect could just send 
email attachments and that was pretty much it :/

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On 01.12.2014 15:10, Mario Fux wrote:

ah, didn't know those.. where there is more info?


https://frinring.wordpress.com/


Yes, that's the one I meant (the most recent post). Direct link to the 
relevant post for future reference:

https://frinring.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/workspace-wide-services-on-non-file-objects/

I don't know what the current status is on that, and it's meant to do 
much much more than SLC in the end, but there is definitely an overlap. 
I hope Friedrich will tell us more.


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[David Edmundson]

Sorry I didn't make it to the meeting.

My week:
 - Monday-Wednesday fixing all the things in SystemSettings 5.x. Done most,
about ~15 open reports remain.

 - Fixed a security issue

 - Thursday-Friday creating a super secret logind dbus API wrapper:

http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fdavidedmundson%2Fqlogind.git

It's needed as QDBusAbstractInterface does not handle
org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties change signals at all, so I forked it.
Eventually I'll push those changes back into Qt.

Plan for this week:
 - Make SDDM use new logind library and add remaining features needed for
multiseat
 - Fix all session switching bugs
 - Go back to cleaning system settings bugs (I have ~15 left)

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On 29.09.2014 12:40, Sebastian Kügler wrote:

Jonathan
- Plasma 5.1 beta is out tomorrow, feedback for pre-packages is good
- Then 10 days to make 5.1.0 reliable
- weekly isos currently moving from neon5 to kubuntu5


Will there be a 5.1 beta ISO?
That might increase the number of beta testers significantly (_might_ 
because it's really just a guess, based on the fact that I know some 
people - including myself - who know Plasma 5 only from the Neon5 ISOs 
so far)

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, September 29, 2014 14:34:40 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
 On 29.09.2014 12:40, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
  Jonathan
  - Plasma 5.1 beta is out tomorrow, feedback for pre-packages is good
  - Then 10 days to make 5.1.0 reliable
  - weekly isos currently moving from neon5 to kubuntu5
 
 Will there be a 5.1 beta ISO?
 That might increase the number of beta testers significantly (_might_ 
 because it's really just a guess, based on the fact that I know some 
 people - including myself - who know Plasma 5 only from the Neon5 ISOs 
 so far)

As soon as the move to the new iso mechanism is done, we'll have an ISO ready 
for testing.
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 22 September 2014, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Marco:
 - continued refactoring dialog class with Vishesh
 - has been testing gerrit for patch reviews
 - standalone framework for Plasma::Package is in playground (git clone
 kde:kpackage)

- standalone application mode for plasmashell, intended for plasma 
mediacenter: 2 parallel approaches: in plasmawindowed and in plasmashell, 
still undecided what's better

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 20:54:13 Jonathan Riddell wrote:
 I'm on holiday this week and not much online, canoeing to independence.

YES!

Have fun during your holiday!
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Pier Luigi Fiorini]

2014-09-15 13:11 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org:
 Minutes Plasma Hangout, 15-9-2014


[cut]

 Martin G:
 - will add a dependency on Frameworks 5.3 (will be out in time for Plasma 5.1)
 - ambiguity with window states, working on fix (debugging / writing unit
 tests)
 - Will travel to XDC and likely do a presentation about Kwin's XCB port
 - will work on kdecoration2 during freeze
 - will push wl-related code lib into own repo, to be shared with other plasma
 bits

[cut]


 Pierluigi:
 - working on plasma-workspace wayland branch:
 - panel stuff
 - ksplashqml

I'm about to move that code into a scratch repo, meanwhile the
libkwayland static library became a shared library in the kde-wayland
scratch repo at: scratch/pierluigifiorini/kde-wayland
Needs some more work as I don't want to expose protocol implementation
to the world, this should be a full Qt wrapper around the protocol.

I invite Martin G. merge his stuff here or the other way around, in
case of the latter I need to know where my commits need to be
imported.

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Re: Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Martin Gräßlin]

On Wednesday 17 September 2014 08:36:53 Pier Luigi Fiorini wrote:
 2014-09-15 13:11 GMT+02:00 Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org:
  Minutes Plasma Hangout, 15-9-2014
 
 [cut]
 
  Martin G:
  - will add a dependency on Frameworks 5.3 (will be out in time for Plasma
  5.1) - ambiguity with window states, working on fix (debugging / writing
  unit tests)
  - Will travel to XDC and likely do a presentation about Kwin's XCB port
  - will work on kdecoration2 during freeze
  - will push wl-related code lib into own repo, to be shared with other
  plasma bits
 
 [cut]
 
  Pierluigi:
  
  - working on plasma-workspace wayland branch:
  - panel stuff
  - ksplashqml
 
 I'm about to move that code into a scratch repo, meanwhile the
 libkwayland static library became a shared library in the kde-wayland
 scratch repo at: scratch/pierluigifiorini/kde-wayland
 Needs some more work as I don't want to expose protocol implementation
 to the world, this should be a full Qt wrapper around the protocol.
 
 I invite Martin G. merge his stuff here or the other way around, in
 case of the latter I need to know where my commits need to be
 imported.

I'll split out my code from kwin using git-filter branch. I think that's the 
only sane approach to have the complete history and in the end do a relicence 
commit.

Cheers
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Re: Re: Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

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Martin GräßlinOn Wednesday 17 September 2014 08:41:49  wrote:
 I'll split out my code from kwin using git-filter branch. I think that's the
 only sane approach to have the complete history and in the end do a
 relicence commit.

Just did the split and pushed the code to a new repository at [1]. Please note 
that the code is currently still lacking a working build system and all other 
needed metadata. I'll add these in the next steps. Once that is done I'll 
request a new repo in kde-workspace. I hope that we can get around the review 
requirement as it's code already present in kde-workspace.

Cheers
Martin

[1]: kde:scratch/graesslin/kwayland

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Re: Re: Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Pier Luigi Fiorini]

2014-09-17 13:31 GMT+02:00 Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org:

 Martin GräßlinOn Wednesday 17 September 2014 08:41:49  wrote:
  I'll split out my code from kwin using git-filter branch. I think that's
 the
  only sane approach to have the complete history and in the end do a
  relicence commit.

 Just did the split and pushed the code to a new repository at [1]. Please
 note
 that the code is currently still lacking a working build system and all
 other
 needed metadata. I'll add these in the next steps. Once that is done I'll
 request a new repo in kde-workspace. I hope that we can get around the
 review
 requirement as it's code already present in kde-workspace.

 Cheers
 Martin

 [1]: kde:scratch/graesslin/kwayland



Adding my code on top of that repo should be easy given that it's all in
the kwayland subdirectory (protocols can be move there and git filtered
before sending the patches).

But I have a few things to say:

 - Are you sure/which workspace components need to access those interfaces
besides kwin?
 - Even if Wayland bits are visible only in private I would like to avoid
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Martin Gräßlin]

On Wednesday 17 September 2014 14:05:07 Pier Luigi Fiorini wrote:
 2014-09-17 13:31 GMT+02:00 Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org:
  Martin GräßlinOn Wednesday 17 September 2014 08:41:49  wrote:
   I'll split out my code from kwin using git-filter branch. I think that's
  
  the
  
   only sane approach to have the complete history and in the end do a
   relicence commit.
  
  Just did the split and pushed the code to a new repository at [1]. Please
  note
  that the code is currently still lacking a working build system and all
  other
  needed metadata. I'll add these in the next steps. Once that is done I'll
  request a new repo in kde-workspace. I hope that we can get around the
  review
  requirement as it's code already present in kde-workspace.
  
  Cheers
  Martin
  
  [1]: kde:scratch/graesslin/kwayland
 
 Adding my code on top of that repo should be easy given that it's all in
 the kwayland subdirectory (protocols can be move there and git filtered
 before sending the patches).
 
 But I have a few things to say:
 
  - Are you sure/which workspace components need to access those interfaces
 besides kwin?

I don't know yet. But I don't think it matters. I will make the CMakeLists to 
create two libraries - one client and one server. So the server interfaces 
won't matter except when explicitly requested.

  - Even if Wayland bits are visible only in private I would like to avoid
 that by using qtwaylandscaner.

I do not want a dependency on QtWayland. We might consider this in the future 
but at the moment QtWayland is unreleased software. I'm also not really 
interested in adding another layer between our API and Wayland.

Cheers
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Eike Hein]

On 15.09.2014 13:11, Sebastian Kügler wrote:

Announcement:
 Freeze coming up: https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5

 [...]

Marco:

 [...]

- will send email about freeze and -related process


Just for clarification: There seems to be some confusion
over whether the freeze for 5.1 is this week or next week.

The linked wiki page lists 2014-09-25 as freeze date
(next week) and several people have things in flight
that are scheduled around that, including me and apol
(who is working on some things planned Kicker
functionality depends on).

I.e. I plan to merge additional features + messages
before the scheduled freeze date next week.


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Jonathan Riddell]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 09:20:49PM +0200, Eike Hein wrote:
 
 
 On 15.09.2014 13:11, Sebastian K?gler wrote:
 Announcement:
  Freeze coming up: https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
  [...]
 Marco:
  [...]
 - will send email about freeze and -related process
 
 Just for clarification: There seems to be some confusion
 over whether the freeze for 5.1 is this week or next week.
 
 The linked wiki page lists 2014-09-25 as freeze date
 (next week) and several people have things in flight
 that are scheduled around that, including me and apol
 (who is working on some things planned Kicker
 functionality depends on).
 
 I.e. I plan to merge additional features + messages
 before the scheduled freeze date next week.

Freeze is a week on Thursday,25th September.  I tidied up the schedule
last month and did post about it but I should have hilighted this
change, sorry for the confusion.

I'm on holiday this week and not much online, canoeing to independence.

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

On Monday 25 August 2014 14:22:20 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Minutes Plasma Hangout, 25-8-2014
 
 Present: Antonis, Marco, Martin G., Jonathan, Vishsesh, Kai Uwe, Sebas
 
 For updates on TODO/status, see also Kanban board at:
 https://todo.kde.org/?controller=boardaction=showproject_id=13

Investigating a big issue with the way plasma handles activities. There is 
something strange going on with plasma not instantiating containments for all 
activities.


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Aleix Pol]

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:

 Minutes Plasma Hangout, 25-8-2014

 Present: Antonis, Marco, Martin G., Jonathan, Vishsesh, Kai Uwe, Sebas

 For updates on TODO/status, see also Kanban board at:
 https://todo.kde.org/?controller=boardaction=showproject_id=13

 Antonis:
 - Worked on Baloo timeline model,
 - will continue post-exams (good luck!)

 Marco:
 - Moved more components over to QQC
 - Dialogs got option to not have a background, easier to use outside of
 Plasma
 (Maui, for now)

** snip **


 - Look  Feel KCMs merged
 - Experimented with Plasma KPart
 - Started port of plasma-windowed

 Martin:
 - Will attend http://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/
   It would be good if at least one more Plasma developer could go
 - Refactored KWin-internal Wayland client library
 - Working on rendering to multiple outputs
 - Will try to implement shell interfaces for Wayland

 Jonathan:
 - unified cmake version numbers, quickens release process

 Vishesh:
 - Research metadata handling in other OSen (Mac OS, Microsoft)
 - Worked on removable media support
 - Improved krunner's scoring algo

 Kai Uwe:
 - Worked on Breeze kdecoration2
 - Looked into wl_touch interface
 - Started impementing markdown support in Notes plasmoid

 sebas:
 - QScreen backend in review, waiting for feedback about one more issue
 - Previews for URL lists in Klipper, in review
 - More work on libkscreen's Wayland backend


What does outside of plasma mean? It's in plasma-framework right?

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, August 25, 2014 15:26:32 Aleix Pol wrote:
 What does outside of plasma mean? It's in plasma-framework right?

Outside of Plasma-the-workspace-as-we-ship, not outside of plasma-framework. 
Basically, Maui using plasma-framework.
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 11 August 2014, Marco Martin wrote:
 On Monday 11 August 2014, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
  - Working on LookFeel KCM
 
 One thing I would like to hear opinions about on this is:
 the look and feel kcm depends from 2 things inside 2 repositories:
 * the lookandfeelaccess class inside plasma-workspace, that at the moment
 is static
 * from plasma-desktop, kcms/krdb/krdb.cpp that is static as well, is used
 to apply colors icons etc to gtk and qt-only apps (now also to kde4 apps)
 
 so, either lookandfeelaccess becomes a public library or gets copied in
 plasma-desktop..
 
 opinions?

to better exemplify, i did put the kcm on plasma-desktop (had to copy the 
lookandfeelaccess class)

so now it does some of the required fancy stuff like immediately applying 
icons, cursors, widget style, colors to gtk apps..
(discovered a neat bug in the meantime, that QQuickWidget that was supposed to 
solve all our problems just dies and stops rendering if the widget style 
changes, but eh, whatever..)

all of that code is horrible kitten-killer old stuff, and comes from old kcms, 
so i tried to use as much as possible including their files (some from 
kcminput, some from krdb.cpp that's statically linked by half of the kcms)

so, horrible++ but i would go this way as the least horrible

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

 Ivan:
 - Per-activity favourites being discussed on the list
 - needs community-wide decision, see plasma-devel
 - KWindowSystem can now set activities
 - will port activities KCM
- kamd plugins ported to kf5 (virtual desktop switching, and activity 
switching keyboard shortcuts)

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Re: Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Martin Gräßlin]

On Monday 11 August 2014 14:11:21 Marco Martin wrote:
 On Monday 11 August 2014, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
  - Working on LookFeel KCM
 
 One thing I would like to hear opinions about on this is:
 the look and feel kcm depends from 2 things inside 2 repositories:
 * the lookandfeelaccess class inside plasma-workspace, that at the moment is
 static
 * from plasma-desktop, kcms/krdb/krdb.cpp that is static as well, is used to
 apply colors icons etc to gtk and qt-only apps (now also to kde4 apps)
 
 so, either lookandfeelaccess becomes a public library or gets copied in
 plasma-desktop..
 
 opinions?

plasma-desktop on first look sounds wrong to me as we probably want to have 
look and feel also for other form factors, don't we?

Cheers
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 11 August 2014, Martin Gräßlin wrote:

  so, either lookandfeelaccess becomes a public library or gets copied in
  plasma-desktop..
  
  opinions?
 
 plasma-desktop on first look sounds wrong to me as we probably want to have
 look and feel also for other form factors, don't we?

the use if for sure, the kcm don't know (may make sense since its ui would be 
in qml)

in this case would be that beautiful ancient code of krdb.cpp to be copied in 
plasma-desktop


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Vishesh Handa]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:

 Antonis:
 - finished port of PA's widget explorer and containment
 - New resource indexer based on Baloo merged


Could someone please elaborate on this? I'm not sure what a resource
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 11 August 2014, Vishesh Handa wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
  Antonis:
  - finished port of PA's widget explorer and containment
  - New resource indexer based on Baloo merged
 
 Could someone please elaborate on this? I'm not sure what a resource
 indexer means.

I think he meant the import of the baloo model

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

Ivan:
- A few fixes
- Restarted implementation of pinned tasks - first implemented them in the 
applet itself, while the logical place is the libtaskmanager


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Tuesday 29 July 2014, Aleix Pol wrote:
  khintsettings should do something along the lines:
  * with some heuristics access the lookandfeel package (it's only a folder
  after all, wouldn't be very difficult) and open a config file with
  default icons/widget style etc
  * read the default if available, fallback to an hardcoded internal one if
  fail
 
 Agreed, also fonts could have a place there.

so, this is how the experiment is going:
https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119534/

it's now getting some settings from the defaults config file in the lf 
package with the rule:

* if the config key is set in kdeglobals, use that, the custom user setting 
always win
* if the config key is not set in kdeglobals, look in the configured lf 
package
* if not set in the configured lf package, look in the default lf package
* if still fails, hardcoded default, exactly as before
* for colors, it looks also if the lf package is actually shipping a colors 
file (it's looking for a color file with the same name as the one set in 
defaults, probably going to change to a file simply called always just colors)

apart from that, i wonder if this could also add a subdirectory of the package 
as a searchpath for kiconloader

another thing i wonder, if it should monitor for change in the configured lf 
package (may need modification in KConfig)


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 28 July 2014, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 - Started mechanism to load stuff from Look and Feel packages
   would like comment on https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119451/

Based on the discussion with David in the hangout, i would still do:
- the look and feel package provides qml files for some parts of the shell
- most theme elements (icons, plasma theme, widget style etc) are usually 
provided only referred in a config file
- if a theme wants to phisically provide something, like a plasma theme, icon 
theme etc, it can, bout would be task of the kcm to either copy or make a link 
of say, the icon theme in the proper directory where an icon theme would be 
expected.
- or in alternative, the theme could be specified in the config file as a full 
path, so for icons if you are using the foo look and feel package, you could 
have in kdeglobals

[Icons]
Theme=~/.share/plasma/lookandfeel/foo/icons



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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 28 July 2014, Marco Martin wrote:
 On Monday 28 July 2014, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
  - Started mechanism to load stuff from Look and Feel packages
  
would like comment on https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119451/
 
 Based on the discussion with David in the hangout, i would still do:
 - the look and feel package provides qml files for some parts of the shell
 - most theme elements (icons, plasma theme, widget style etc) are usually
 provided only referred in a config file
 - if a theme wants to phisically provide something, like a plasma theme,
 icon theme etc, it can, bout would be task of the kcm to either copy or
 make a link of say, the icon theme in the proper directory where an icon
 theme would be expected.
 - or in alternative, the theme could be specified in the config file as a
 full path, so for icons if you are using the foo look and feel package,
 you could have in kdeglobals
 
 [Icons]
 Theme=~/.share/plasma/lookandfeel/foo/icons

comments on that?
furthermore, how would you prefer to use it?
as a standalone library? static in plasma-workspace stuff? in libplasmaquick?
other?


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 28 July 2014, Marco Martin wrote:
  [Icons]
  Theme=~/.share/plasma/lookandfeel/foo/icons
 
 comments on that?
 furthermore, how would you prefer to use it?
 as a standalone library? static in plasma-workspace stuff? in
 libplasmaquick? other?

next on that, the lookandfeel package should somehowinfluence khintsettings in 
the frameworkintegration framework (that of course couldn't depend from a 
package)

khintsettings should do something along the lines:
* with some heuristics access the lookandfeel package (it's only a folder 
after all, wouldn't be very difficult) and open a config file with default 
icons/widget style etc
* read the default if available, fallback to an hardcoded internal one if fail


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Aleix Pol]

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Monday 28 July 2014, Marco Martin wrote:
   [Icons]
   Theme=~/.share/plasma/lookandfeel/foo/icons
 
  comments on that?
  furthermore, how would you prefer to use it?
  as a standalone library? static in plasma-workspace stuff? in
  libplasmaquick? other?

 next on that, the lookandfeel package should somehowinfluence
 khintsettings in
 the frameworkintegration framework (that of course couldn't depend from a
 package)

 khintsettings should do something along the lines:
 * with some heuristics access the lookandfeel package (it's only a folder
 after all, wouldn't be very difficult) and open a config file with default
 icons/widget style etc
 * read the default if available, fallback to an hardcoded internal one if
 fail


Agreed, also fonts could have a place there.

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Aleix Pol]

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Monday 28 July 2014, Marco Martin wrote:
  On Monday 28 July 2014, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
   - Started mechanism to load stuff from Look and Feel packages
  
 would like comment on https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119451/
 
  Based on the discussion with David in the hangout, i would still do:
  - the look and feel package provides qml files for some parts of the
 shell
  - most theme elements (icons, plasma theme, widget style etc) are usually
  provided only referred in a config file
  - if a theme wants to phisically provide something, like a plasma theme,
  icon theme etc, it can, bout would be task of the kcm to either copy or
  make a link of say, the icon theme in the proper directory where an icon
  theme would be expected.
  - or in alternative, the theme could be specified in the config file as a
  full path, so for icons if you are using the foo look and feel package,
  you could have in kdeglobals
 
  [Icons]
  Theme=~/.share/plasma/lookandfeel/foo/icons

 comments on that?
 furthermore, how would you prefer to use it?
 as a standalone library? static in plasma-workspace stuff? in
 libplasmaquick?
 other?


Maybe we should have a library for accessing lookfeel packages? I don't
think it belongs to libplasma, since libplasma is about applets and
containments management. We could have a library within plasma-workspace
that does this? If we need to expose it further we could consider at some
point, but I don't think it will be needed.

About how to tell what icon theme the lookfeel package suggests to use, I
think that rather than specifying a path, it should be specifying a unique
identifier so that we know how to get it.
Something like
Themes=default:/breeze
or
Themes=kns:/diamond
or
Themes=bodega:/awesomefuturisticrainbows
or
Themes=http://...

Does that make sense?
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[David Edmundson]

I mentioned in the meeting that I was poking around in the Intel
graphics driver with Aleix.

That's now in a Qt bug report here:
https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-40341

The short version of it is:

Qt defaults to a loading an OpenGL context with comparability for a
super super old version of OpenGL (from 2004). This compatibility
layer uses /lots/ of memory. QtQuick2.0 won't even work on something
that old (I think) so we may as well not request these old features.
This saves us up to 15Mb per QtQuick application.

I can set the surfaceFormats in PlasmaShell, but I'd rather get a
proper fix into Qt on the defaults where we have more knowledgeable
people than me making sure we don't break anything.

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 14 July 2014 12:59:44 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 - Improvements for sizehints of plasmoids (needs some testing, not in 5.0
 for that reason)

is merged, so test and screams if it blows up :p

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Eike Hein]

From me:

- Going to do various little fixes in Folder  Kicker.

- Optimization work in Folder, there's a bunch of low-hanging fruit to
make things speedier, e.g. around mode-switching to unsorted mode on
internal DND, and memory usage can be trimmed further as well.

- Going to start porting Icon Tasks (it'll be a reimplementation based
on the new QML Task Manager  by forward-porting the lib-side
launcher-startup notification-task work already done for the KDE 4
Expanding Icons Task Manager fork - current consensus seems to be to 
stick to two Widget Explorer entries, but if we can work it out they

might share the same Plasma package to avoid any duplication).

- Porting the Web Shortcuts KCM and moving it from Konq to KIO, since
it's used by KRunner and numerous apps (Konvi, Konsole, Okular ...).

(Workspace-unrelated: Also started porting Konversation to KF5 on the
weekend, it already builds and chats (frameworks branch) but a bunch
of things are disabled right now.)


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Vishesh Handa]

On Jul 14, 2014 1:02 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 Sebastian:
 - last bits of work on release promo, join #kde-promo to help out
 - long video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2dthDSGkc
 - short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8JYt_xkJuY
 - release notes at: https://notes.kde.org/p/DgPya8rUD7

Is Breeze the default theme? We seem to be talking a lot about it.
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 14 July 2014, Vishesh Handa wrote:
 On Jul 14, 2014 1:02 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
  Sebastian:
  - last bits of work on release promo, join #kde-promo to help out
  - long video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2dthDSGkc
  - short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8JYt_xkJuY
  - release notes at: https://notes.kde.org/p/DgPya8rUD7
 
 Is Breeze the default theme? We seem to be talking a lot about it.

yes, is picked as default if installed (and yes, the fact that is not hosted 
on kde infrastructure is sad and should be fixed in one way or the other...)

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

 Present: Antonis, David, Jonathan, Marco, Martin G, Vishesh, Rohan

Ivan:
 - Drag and drop windows - activities tumbling
 - Activity pinning and such
 - Window model mutability


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, June 30, 2014 13:04:20 Marco Martin wrote:
 Minutes of hangout from 30th June 2014
 
 Present: Ivan, Jens, David, Jonathan, Marco, Martin G, Vishesh

[...]

Sebastian:
* Systemsettings new categorization, will push today
* General bugfixing and testing
* Some release promo preps

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Martin Gräßlin]

On Monday 30 June 2014 13:04:20 Marco Martin wrote:
 Minutes of hangout from 30th June 2014
 
 Present: Ivan, Jens, David, Jonathan, Marco, Martin G, Vishesh
 
 Ivan
 * window presentation effect on activity switcher
 
 Jens
 * runners kcm ui
 * articles
 * wallpaper, contacting winners
 * systemsettings, working out UI issues
 * writing up a document on how we work
 * producing right sizes of wallpapers
 
 David
 * bugfixing
 * Vacation!!
 
 Jonathan:
 * tagged today
 * thursday tag plasma, make sure everything is in
 * branch vs only tag? we are going for 3 moths release, and branches
 
 Marco
 * bugfixes
 * finished last api fixes to Theme
 
 Martin G:
 * bugfixes
 * started to work of 5.1 features of klipper (history is a model, ui will be
 aplasmoid)
 * enforce ssd for gtk (apparently needs more discussion)
 * investigate global shortcut kcm
 * will disable threaded loop in kwin and plasma

will disable the disable threaded loop...
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 Present: David, Ivan, Jonathan, Marco, Martin G., Sebastian

Bhushan
- Want review on https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/118876/
- Bux fixing and triage

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Aleix Pol]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:

 Here are the minutes of the mondaily hangout meeting from 23rd of June,
 2014

 Present: David, Ivan, Jonathan, Marco, Martin G., Sebastian



 David:
 - General bugfixing
 - Plans more general bugfixing

 Ivan
 - activity switcher is faster now
 - locks up when it's not preloaded (bug!)
 - focused / current activity is not very clear, will take it up with VDG
 -

 Jonathan
 - Plasma 5 in pretty good shape
 - KF5 planning to tag final early next week
 - Push to get artwork in (e.g. wallpaper)
 - Plasma RC due to tag next week

 -- Everybody, Get stuff in final shape!!

 Marco
 - General bugfixing
 - Changes in Plasma::Theme to support ColorScope, influences color scheme
 for its children
 - wants to merge new Konqi logo into About KDE
 - some discussion around KDE logo going on

 Martin
 - Bugfixing
 - Making no shaders available case more robust
 - Load of bugfixes in Aurorae theme
 - Started writing unittests for Klipper so it can move to a plasmoid for
 5.1

 Sebastian
 - Discussing with designers the KCM structure, was some delay, still
 hoping to
 get it done shortly
 - Translations KCM merged -- testing welcome
 - Fixed a number of random bugs, triaged more
 - Plans to start work on 5.0 release promo this week
 - systemsettings categorization work incoming


 Cheers,


Hi,
My excuses for not attending the meeting, last week I dedicated it to:
- hunting some problems in the panel and fixed some visual glitches.
- hunting multi-screen issues, apparently there's another important bug in
Qt xcb plugin.

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 16 June 2014, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Marco:
 - mindless bugfixing mode
 - Monochrome kickoff tabbar
 - Fixes in dialog (yes, more of those)
- startup fixes: no random opening systray at startup
- less animations, applets jumping around the panel at startup

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

Ivan:
 - Keyboard activity switching and UI navigation (as seen in the blog post)


On 10 June 2014 12:43, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:

 Minutes from Monday Plasma Hangout Today!

 Present: AleixAntonis, Jonathan, Marco, Martin G., Martin K., David,
 Sebastian, Vishesh


 Antonis
 - Worked on wallpapers in Plasma Active shell
 - Created new touch-based UI to replace desktop UI
 - Added support for creating and editing activities
 - Exam period is starting, will be less available

 Jonathan
 - Made tarballs for Beta2
 - Everything seems to be green, but one build problem
 - Release engineering for Beta2 planned now

 Marco:
 - Bugfixing related to translations
 - Renaming plugins causes issues, catalogs names haven't caught up yet
 - Implemented color groups for Plasma SVG
 - Using color groups in Logout / Lock screen

 Martin G:
 - Bugfixing / -investigation (also translations-related)
 - Problems found all over the place, will send patches and report bugs
 - https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/118423/
 - https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/118461/
 - https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/118252/

 Martin K:
 - tested StatusNotifierItems for Qt4
 - Needs some fixes with Qt5-based systray
 - QIcon::setPath(...) isn't respected in Plasma.IconItem - needs fixing
 - Timezone problem in digital clock bug

 David:
 - Hunted down bug in Qt
 - Much bugfixing
 - Login themeing should be universal (SDDM and Plasma)

 Sebastian:
 - Random bugfixes here and there
 - Merged streamlining of Comment fields for KCMs
 - Fixed bug with meta key (two review requests)
 - Worked on systemsettings redesign proof-of-concept
 - Worked on translations KCM, stranded at installed languages don't show
 up
 in the UI right now

 Vishesh:
 - Worked on Dialog class last week (for KRunner)
 - collected use-cases
 - wrote simple tests for each of them
 - Fixed baloo issues with Qt5
 - Will go over existing bugs to clean up buglist
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

On Monday 26 May 2014 13:05:20 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Minutes 26-06-2014
 
 Present: Aleix, Antonis, David, Jens, Marco, Martin G., Martin K., Sebastian

Ivan:
- Finishing up the resources model.
- Little refactoring
- Playing around with favourites and task pinning. It will be uglier than 
originally thought. Hope not much.
- Started working on the keyboard navigation for act. switcher

Cheers,
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Marco Martin]

On Monday 26 May 2014, Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Minutes 26-06-2014
 
 Present: Aleix, Antonis, David, Jens, Marco, Martin G., Martin K.,
 Sebastian
 
 Aleix:
 - Investigated Plasma startup performance: What can we do better?

For svgs,
There were several problem in different places that caused the cache only 
partly used (a couple of them were already present in plasma1 so the cache 
never worked with 100% reliability).
I fixed hopefully all of them (after noticing a part of the patch was exactly 
what you pushed, lol)
I can now obtain a startup with exactly 100% cache hits

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, May 05, 2014 12:30:15 Ivan Čukić wrote:
 Ivan:
 - Resource linking is almost back. A few kinks to work out. Will be merged
 after the first release of kf5.
 
 Cheerio,
 Ivan
 
 p.s. I'm not properly online to join in the hangout :/

Thanks for prenatal and proactive hijacking of this thread! Here goes the 
rest:

Plasma Meeting 05-05-2015

Present: David, Jens, Marco, Martin G., Martin K., Sebastian, Aleix, Alex,

Jens:
  - The mythical Andrew has done mythical work on windecos, in a branch in 
kde:breeze
  - Work on icon theme starts, we'd like it packaged so it can be tested 
easily
  - Some communication strategy around branding and user feedback
  - Worked on OSD icons together with Martin Klapetek

Marco:
  - Breeze repo is up, receiving artwork-related work (cursor theme already in 
there, QML style coming up, Arorae style coming up)
  - New splash screen is merged
  - Working on bugfixes
  - More work on Plasma::Dialog improvements

Aleix:
  - Started working on port of libkscreen patches for Plasma (Qt API is 
lacking for screen management)

Alex:
  - Ported libkscreen to XCB, to continue this week
  - Works on Solid::PowerManagement (release blocker for frameworks)
  - Tracking down crash in favicon kded
  
Martin Grässlin:
  - Mouse interaction with Arorae theme is fixed
  - XCB porting in kwin
  - Audited screenlocker code, worked on some simplification and unit tests
  - Fixed crasher in windowthumbnails
  - Discovered problems in Kwin and Plasma localization (to be discussed on 
mailinglist)
  - Important fix to kglobalaccel needs review: 
https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/117839/
  
Martin Klapetek:
  - Finished notifications patch for memory usage improvement
  - investigated bug with new panels overlapping
  - Panel struts patch coming up

David:
  - Worked on various bugfixes and SDDM improvements
  - Working on SDDM
- work on not running too much stuff as root
- SDDM and lockscreen theme
  - QtQuickControls layout improvements
 
Sebastian:
  - Fixed up fontinst KCM, font installation and deinstallation now worked in 
my tests (port was incomplete)
  - Worked on resizing Plasma panel popups: basically works, few bugs (also 
uncovers bad minimum- vs. preferred sizes, fixing those as well
  - Will also work on Kickoff bugs

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i18n in Plasma [Was Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout]

[Martin Gräßlin]

On Monday 05 May 2014 13:10:44 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
   - Discovered problems in Kwin and Plasma localization (to be discussed on
 mailinglist)

ok, so with frameworks i18n changed a bit. I highly recommend to read the 
documentation in [1].

Things to be done are:
* set KLocalizedString::setApplicationDomain [2] in the application, never in 
libs
* for libraries (this includes plugins!) set in CMakeLists.txt:
   add_definitions(-DTRANSLATION_DOMAIN=\nameofcatalog\)
   for an example see [3]
* for ui files one needs to use ki18n_wrap_ui - for an example also see [3]
* ensure that every component has Messages.sh

Things I do not know yet:
* how to handle qml, this also needs the translation domain, but no idea how 
to set it.
* how to handle ui files which are loaded at runtime
* how to test an application with translations

After adjusting KWin I have a bad feeling that we have to audit all components 
for i18n usage. Everything will need adjustments, especially the plugins. 
Though this should be said: it's way simpler and more intuitive than it used 
to be in kde4.

Cheers
Martin

[1] 
http://api.kde.org/frameworks-api/frameworks5-apidocs/ki18n/html/prg_guide.html
[2] 
http://api.kde.org/frameworks-api/frameworks5-apidocs/ki18n/html/classKLocalizedString.html#ad866b11bf396b9d93b7dc313a1930b7b
[3] http://commits.kde.org/kwin/1c2f27945c8c50612a75cec6cb773a710b6fad15

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

On Monday 28 Apr 2014 12:50:41 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Plasma Hangout 28-4-2014
 
 Present: Antonis, David, Jonathan, Marco, Martin G., Martin K., Rohan,
 Sebastian, Aleix

Ivan:
 - Working on kamd database stuff


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Martin Klapetek]

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote:

 jens
 * planning of wallpaper contest



Any news on that^?

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 - We need a way to group and show our relevant bugs in one list

Isn't both searches working?

http://is.gd/JXtMcV (plasma-shell bugs)
http://is.gd/UGXTYg (plasma-shell + kwin bugs)

And what I am doing is,

- lot of bug reporting and triage.
- Added myself in the CC of general component yesterday, so I can help
to move and triage bugs.
- Need help to confirm remaining UNCONFIRMED bugs (current count: 24
in plasma-shell)

Also one more thing,

We really want way to abstract Support queries and Real bugs after
release. Just like yesterday one problem with Project Neon 5 ended up
in the general component of plasma-shell
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332805

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Martin Klapetek]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Bhushan Shah bhus...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
  - We need a way to group and show our relevant bugs in one list

 Isn't both searches working?

 http://is.gd/JXtMcV (plasma-shell bugs)
 http://is.gd/UGXTYg (plasma-shell + kwin bugs)


We need something to also cover frameworks bugs related to the release
(which doesn't mean /all/ of frameworks bugs).

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Martin Klapetek
martin.klape...@gmail.com wrote:
 We need something to also cover frameworks bugs related to the release
 (which doesn't mean /all/ of frameworks bugs).

Keywords, Maybe?

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Luca Beltrame]

In data lunedì 31 marzo 2014 16:51:19, Bhushan Shah ha scritto:

 We really want way to abstract Support queries and Real bugs after

The offer for a specific Plasma Next forum for alpha and beta reports is still 
open. ;)

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Ivan Čukić]

On Monday 31 Mar 2014 12:51:24 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
 Present: Antonis Tsiapaliokas, David Edmundson, Alex Fiestas, Martin
 Klapetek, Jens Reuterberg, Jonathan Riddell, Marco Martin, Martin Gräßlin,
 Sebastian Kügler

Unfortunately, another problematic Monday for me.

I've been fixing some issues with the switcher. Now I'm trying to deal with 
sometimes-happening ksmserver related issues with activity starting/stopping.

Ch!


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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, March 31, 2014 13:58:39 Luca Beltrame wrote:
 In data lunedì 31 marzo 2014 16:51:19, Bhushan Shah ha scritto:
  We really want way to abstract Support queries and Real bugs after
 
 The offer for a specific Plasma Next forum for alpha and beta reports is
 still  open.

I'd say it can go open anytime now. :)
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Luca Beltrame]

In data lunedì 31 marzo 2014 14:24:50, Sebastian Kügler ha scritto:

 I'd say it can go open anytime now. :)

There: http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=287

What would be nice to have (but not required) is a list of dos and don'ts 
wrt posting there. I'll turn it into a sticky: for reference see the 4.13 beta 
forum.

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Aleix Pol]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:

 Present: Antonis Tsiapaliokas, David Edmundson, Alex Fiestas, Martin
 Klapetek,
 Jens Reuterberg, Jonathan Riddell, Marco Martin, Martin Gräßlin, Sebastian
 Kügler


 Alex:
 - New repos ready
 - All repos ready, but plasma-desktop and plasma-workspace
 - Problems with moved files w/ git-filter-branch
 - Might result in missing history in plasma-desktop and plasma-workspace

** snip **



 Antonis:
 - Working on Plasmate's publisher
 - Signing dialog blocked due to kdepimlibs
 - Will work  on themes now

 David:
 - Bugfixing (busy work and planned)
 - Finished merge of KNotifications patches
 - We need a way to group and show our relevant bugs in one list

 Martin Klapetek:
 - Some PIM stuff lined up
 - Wants to make KHolidays work (for calendar)

 Jens:
 - Andrew is working on documentation and merging visual guidelines with
 human
 interface guidelines
 - Too much going on right now, needs better scheduling

 Jonathan:
 - made tarballs for Alpha 1 (due tomorrow)
 - no feedback so far (lack of test builds?): please test!
 - issue in Oxygen / kdecoration

 Marco:
 - New default Plasma theme: Breeze
 - Some elements not working yet, but good enough for Alpha1
 - Changed desktop scripting: unbroke it, see email to plasma-devel for
 details: please test!
 - did bugfixing

 Martin G:
 - pre-freeze and pre-split code cleaning
 - bugfixing

 Sebastian Kügler:
 - unavailable in the next weeks due to vacation
 - please take bugs assigned to me, I'm default assignee
 - Marco to run the monday hangouts
 - Jonathan to work on release engineering
 - Vishesh to handle meeting organization
 - to send feedback about latest version of Comme font to designer
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That's not accurate, plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop have full history,
only that it's grafted.
KWin on the other hand could have lost some history because we filtered the
subdirectory it was in, since Martin didn't want the grafts.

Also plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop are ready, they're grafted but
ready. As I said on the e-mail, if anybody doesn't like the result, s/he
can feel free to take a different approach.

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Monday, March 31, 2014 17:04:34 Aleix Pol wrote:
 That's not accurate, plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop have full history,
 only that it's grafted. KWin on the other hand could have lost some history
 because we filtered the subdirectory it was in, since Martin didn't want
 the grafts.
 
 Also plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop are ready, they're grafted but
 ready. As I said on the e-mail, if anybody doesn't like the result, s/he
 can feel free to take a different approach.

Thanks for the clarification!
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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

Hello,

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 - transferring bugs into bugzilla

From? do we have another bug tracker or you mean tasks?

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Re: Minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Bhushan Shah]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org wrote:
 Plasma 2 meeting, 24th April 2014

And about me,

- Testing, bug reporting, triage and bugfixing,

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