Re: plasma-devel to auto-discard non-subscribers?
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:38 PM, Luca Beltrame wrote: > In data martedì 19 giugno 2018 16:05:34 CEST, Harald Sitter ha scritto: > >> I really do not think this list doesn't benefit from a moderation queue. > > -1. I direct people to this list when they have queries, and for one-off > matters they shouldn't be forced to subscribe. An outright rejection of the > mail will just drive them away. > Let's not raise the barrier to entry unless it's actually useful. I fail to > see compelling arguments here. As a general rule i'm opposed to automatic rejection of mail as that makes us a source of backscatter spam. Backscatter spam is generated when spammers falsify the address of spam they send and other parties then bounce it back to the apparent senders address. Cheers, Ben > > -- > Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team > KDE Science supporter > GPG key ID: A29D259B
Re: plasma-devel to auto-discard non-subscribers?
In data martedì 19 giugno 2018 16:05:34 CEST, Harald Sitter ha scritto: > I really do not think this list doesn't benefit from a moderation queue. -1. I direct people to this list when they have queries, and for one-off matters they shouldn't be forced to subscribe. An outright rejection of the mail will just drive them away. Let's not raise the barrier to entry unless it's actually useful. I fail to see compelling arguments here. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: A29D259B signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: plasma-devel to auto-discard non-subscribers?
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:32 PM Aleix Pol wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:06 PM Harald Sitter wrote: > > > > Heya > > > > I've been moderating the plasma-devel list for 6 months now, and in > > that time I've seen **one** legitimate pending email. Everything else > > was spam. At least one spam mail per day pretty much. > > > > I really do not think this list doesn't benefit from a moderation queue. > > > > There is just about no non-subscriber traffic, and even when there is > > I would expect a person sending a mail to a developer mailing list to > > be able to read the auto-discard notification email they'd get back > > and subscribe. So what's left is the useless chore of manually > > discarding spam email at the off chance that something useful pops up. > > We moderate daily at most (usually weekly really) because it's almost > > exclusively spam, the useful mail would unnecessarily get stuck in > > moderation for quite a while. Had the sender gotten an auto-discard > > notification they'd have been able to fix it on their own much faster. > > > > So, I propose that we change the list setting to auto-discard. It's > > better for everyone really. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > HS > > I've been also moderating the list and I have the feeling that there's > been some legitimate traffic albeit not a lot. > > In general, I think it's good that we can tell people to send an > e-mail to plasma-devel@kde.org and discuss things, if auto-discard was > the norm we're then unable to do that. Sure, but then if their mail is stuck in moderation for a week, what's the use? What kind of a discussion is that where one party has to wait a week for their correspondence reaching everyone else? It's nice to be able to tell them that they can just send a mail, in practice that would also need sufficiently timely moderation in order for that to be worthwhile. Maybe iff there was 1 spam mail per week I can see that working out, otherwise the noise caused by the spam will drown out the legit moderation needs. Maybe if you have >10 mods you could make that sort of make it work (assuming all check about weekly and do so in a spread-out enough fashion to actually give ~daily coverage ;)). HS
Re: plasma-devel to auto-discard non-subscribers?
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:06 PM Harald Sitter wrote: > > Heya > > I've been moderating the plasma-devel list for 6 months now, and in > that time I've seen **one** legitimate pending email. Everything else > was spam. At least one spam mail per day pretty much. > > I really do not think this list doesn't benefit from a moderation queue. > > There is just about no non-subscriber traffic, and even when there is > I would expect a person sending a mail to a developer mailing list to > be able to read the auto-discard notification email they'd get back > and subscribe. So what's left is the useless chore of manually > discarding spam email at the off chance that something useful pops up. > We moderate daily at most (usually weekly really) because it's almost > exclusively spam, the useful mail would unnecessarily get stuck in > moderation for quite a while. Had the sender gotten an auto-discard > notification they'd have been able to fix it on their own much faster. > > So, I propose that we change the list setting to auto-discard. It's > better for everyone really. > > Thoughts? > > HS I've been also moderating the list and I have the feeling that there's been some legitimate traffic albeit not a lot. In general, I think it's good that we can tell people to send an e-mail to plasma-devel@kde.org and discuss things, if auto-discard was the norm we're then unable to do that. Aleix
