Re: [PLUG] Victor wants a reality check with regard to raspberry pi and ZyXEL C1100Z

2016-04-01 Thread Richard Owlett 
On 4/1/2016 3:19 PM, Neal wrote:
> I've heard the ploy of threatening to drop your service entirely gets you
> somewhere when negotiating rates with the cable/internet/satellite
> companies. But what if they call your bluff? :-)
>

*ROFL* !

Lets put it plainly - none of the members of previously named 
categories want me sitting on jury in criminal and/or civil trial!

Up until quite recently my internet access was dial-up through a 
VERY local ISP [if any problem had occurred I could reasonably 
expect to complain to CEO/COO's father ;]

They terminated dial-up access. [multiple implied jokes ;]
I interviewed multiple potential vendors [ABSOLUTE requirement, 
local physical presence]

I chose T-Mobile:
   1. they had a local rep who actually listened to me.
   2. they advertised how they handled going over your limit. 
They were doing
  EXACTLY what a certain common carrier was doing - that is 
until said common
  carrier got severe hand slap from FEDs 

T-mobile ain't perfect. *HOWEVER*, I appreciate how they deal 
with problems.

'nuff said ;/


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Re: [PLUG] Victor wants a reality check with regard to raspberry pi and ZyXEL C1100Z

2016-04-01 Thread Louis Kowolowski 
On Apr 1, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Galen Seitz  wrote:
> 
> On 04/01/16 11:48, Louis Kowolowski wrote:
>> I was using centrury link in vancouver with a 40/20 link. Other than
>> the occasional modem reboot (once a month-ish), no problems at all.
>> Had a static IP, and found I could actually get 20Mbit over OpenVPN
>> from Zurich to Vancouver.
> 
> With 40/20, are you saying you had a 20 Mbit uplink?  Was this over copper?
> 
Yes, 20Mbit up. Copper, vdsl.
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Re: [PLUG] Victor wants a reality check with regard to raspberry pi and ZyXEL C1100Z

2016-04-01 Thread Neal 
I've heard the ploy of threatening to drop your service entirely gets you
somewhere when negotiating rates with the cable/internet/satellite
companies. But what if they call your bluff? :-)

Regards,
NealS
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Re: [PLUG] Victor wants a reality check with regard to raspberry pi and ZyXEL C1100Z

2016-04-01 Thread Richard Owlett 
On 4/1/2016 9:52 AM, Neal wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Victor Soich  wrote:
>
>> I might make the plunge and pay 25 bucks a month for 40
>> Mbs download speed,
>>
>
> Not sure if Russell mentioned it but you really should check on the regular
> rates after a year. It isn't easy to find. The last time I checked, it was
> something like $60/month after the first year(s). It might have been a tier
> up or down from 40Mbps, fuzzy memory, the usual disclaimers apply, but the
> was quite an eye opener. This was for just internet service, not any of the
> bundled offerings.


Not sure how it is in Oregon.
However current ads here in Missouri, personally considered 
fraudulent and/or malicious advertise in *LARGE PRINT* an 
attractive low rate for phone/TV/internet.
   !*_HOWEVER_*! in notoriously small print it is revealed that:
1. that quoted rate is for *EACH* service.
2. you get quoted rate *IF _AND_ ONLY IF* you subscribe to all THREE.
3. the rate is a *TEASER* rate valid for only one year.
4. the rate per service will then increase over a period to their 
NORMAL
*UNDERSPECIFIED* rate.

Functionally identical ads are run by:
1. local cable company operated under a local permit. {regulated 
monopoly}
2. major telco presumably operating under state and federal 
supervision.
3. satellite provider apparently subject to CAVEAT EMPTOR.


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Re: [PLUG] Victor wants a reality check with regard to raspberry pi and ZyXEL C1100Z

2016-04-01 Thread Galen Seitz 
On 04/01/16 11:48, Louis Kowolowski wrote:
> I was using centrury link in vancouver with a 40/20 link. Other than
> the occasional modem reboot (once a month-ish), no problems at all.
> Had a static IP, and found I could actually get 20Mbit over OpenVPN
> from Zurich to Vancouver.

With 40/20, are you saying you had a 20 Mbit uplink?  Was this over copper?


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Re: [PLUG] Victor wants a reality check with regard to raspberry pi and ZyXEL C1100Z

2016-04-01 Thread Louis Kowolowski 
I was using centrury link in vancouver with a 40/20 link. Other than the 
occasional modem reboot (once a month-ish), no problems at all. Had a static 
IP, and found I could actually get 20Mbit over OpenVPN from Zurich to Vancouver.


> On Apr 1, 2016, at 12:13 AM, Victor Soich  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> First, a bit of background
> I thought I lived in a comcast monopoly area, and just recently had a knock
> on my door in S.E. Portland from a guy saying I could get centurylink
> internet services.  I might make the plunge and pay 25 bucks a month for 40
> Mbs download speed, unless I hear heavy criticism about centurylihk
> service, as opposed to comcast.
> If I take the plunge, then I have to go through the rigmarole of returning
> a recently purchased docsys 3.0 comcast cable modem.
> 
> So...if I take the plunge, and return the comcast modem, then I have to get
> a  ZyXEL C1100Z
> 
> https://internethelp.centurylink.com/internethelp/modem-compatibility-table.html
> https://internethelp.centurylink.com/internethelp/pdf/modems/datasheet-c1000z.pdf
> http://www.amazon.com/C1100Z-802-11n-Wireless-Gateway-CenturyLink/dp/B015ELWZ16/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=1459492620=1-1=ZyXEL+C1100Z+Modem
> http://www.amazon.com/Zyxel-C1000Z-Centurylink-performance-router/dp/B0074VKK26/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics=UTF8=1459492620=1-2=ZyXEL+C1100Z+Modem
> 
> So, I bought a raspberry pi.  I want to turn it into a wireless access
> point.  I have to learn about ifconfig, and other tools.  That's fine.
> Also, I want to make it into a DHCP server, so I have to learn how to
> configure some files.  That's fine.
> Also, I want to build a firewall, so I have to learn about the nft command,
> which is some sort of successor to iptables.  That's fine.
> I basically want my future raspberry pi to have the functionality of the
> ZyXel C1100Z
> 
> The part I'm concerned about is the RJ11 wire that goes from the ZyXEL
> C1100Z to something called a network terminal, that will let me access the
> fiber optic line that may come to my house.  I hope I said that correctly
> enough.
> 
> So can I get some sort of dohicky converter thingy (to use a technical
> term!) to turn one of the usb ports on my raspberry pi into a "phone jack"
> or "DSL" port...if I'm saying that right, and then install some sort of
> software on the raspberry pi rasbian debian OS, that will let me
> communicate with the network terminal.  Just like I need to possibly learn
> how to recompile a kernel to make use of the nft tool, do I analogously
> somehow put on some software on the raspberry pi, that in the end will make
> my raspberry pi a complete replacement for the ZyXEL C1100Zand thus
> communicate through the RJ11 ( not ethernet ) port.
> 
> I want to do this for the learning of DHCP servers, wifi access points,
> firewalls, et. al.  I just don't know if the DSL RJ11 parts is possible.
> If it is not possilble, then I'll buy the ZyXEL C1100Z.  If it is possible,
> then I'll rent the ZyXEL C1100Z, until I figure out how to replicate the
> latter product on a raspberry pi.  If what I'm asking to try to do is
> really stupid, and very involved, i.e. the DSL RJ11 part, not the other
> stuff, then I'll just buy the ZyXELL C1100Z.  If I have to do things like
> solder something, for example, then I'm out.
> 
> This all assumes that I'm not disabused of my notion of switching from
> Comcast to CenturyLink in the first place.
> 
> So, while I may be a bit barbarous in my phrasing, I hope I was articulate
> enough to get my point across.  So, should I just stick with comcast over
> centurylink.  If I go with centurylink, can I implement the functionality
> of the ZyXEL C1100Z DSL phone jack RJ11 in the raspberry pi, or is that
> just dumb to do.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Victor Soich
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Re: [PLUG] Victor wants a reality check with regard to raspberry pi and ZyXEL C1100Z

2016-04-01 Thread Galen Seitz 
On 04/01/16 00:13, Victor Soich wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> First, a bit of background
> I thought I lived in a comcast monopoly area, and just recently had a knock
> on my door in S.E. Portland from a guy saying I could get centurylink
> internet services.  I might make the plunge and pay 25 bucks a month for 40
> Mbs download speed, unless I hear heavy criticism about centurylihk
> service, as opposed to comcast.

If that's DSL as Russell suggests, you should know that your upload
speed is likely limited to 800 kbit/s, or perhaps double that if they do
bonding on the upstream path too.  Regarding bonded DSL, I will just
comment that my neighbor signed up for this a couple of years ago, but
CenturyLink could never get it to work.  This is in the area of SE 34th
and Belmont.


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Re: [PLUG] Victor wants a reality check with regard to raspberry pi and ZyXEL C1100Z

2016-04-01 Thread Neal 
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Victor Soich  wrote:

> I might make the plunge and pay 25 bucks a month for 40
> Mbs download speed,
>

Not sure if Russell mentioned it but you really should check on the regular
rates after a year. It isn't easy to find. The last time I checked, it was
something like $60/month after the first year(s). It might have been a tier
up or down from 40Mbps, fuzzy memory, the usual disclaimers apply, but the
was quite an eye opener. This was for just internet service, not any of the
bundled offerings.

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Re: [PLUG] Victor wants a reality check with regard to raspberry pi and ZyXEL C1100Z

2016-04-01 Thread Russell Senior 
> "Victor" == Victor Soich  writes:

Victor> Hi all, First, a bit of background  I thought I lived in a
Victor> comcast monopoly area, and just recently had a knock on my door
Victor> in S.E. Portland from a guy saying I could get centurylink
Victor> internet services.  I might make the plunge and pay 25 bucks a
Victor> month for 40 Mbs download speed, unless I hear heavy criticism
Victor> about centurylihk service, as opposed to comcast.  If I take the
Victor> plunge, then I have to go through the rigmarole of returning a
Victor> recently purchased docsys 3.0 comcast cable modem.

Victor> So...if I take the plunge, and return the comcast modem, then I
Victor> have to get a ZyXEL C1100Z
Victor> 
Victor> 
https://internethelp.centurylink.com/internethelp/modem-compatibility-table.html
Victor> 
https://internethelp.centurylink.com/internethelp/pdf/modems/datasheet-c1000z.pdf
Victor> 
http://www.amazon.com/C1100Z-802-11n-Wireless-Gateway-CenturyLink/dp/B015ELWZ16/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=1459492620=1-1=ZyXEL+C1100Z+Modem
Victor> 
http://www.amazon.com/Zyxel-C1000Z-Centurylink-performance-router/dp/B0074VKK26/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics=UTF8=1459492620=1-2=ZyXEL+C1100Z+Modem

Victor> So, I bought a raspberry pi.  I want to turn it into a wireless
Victor> access point.  I have to learn about ifconfig, and other tools.
Victor> That's fine.  Also, I want to make it into a DHCP server, so I
Victor> have to learn how to configure some files.  That's fine.  Also,
Victor> I want to build a firewall, so I have to learn about the nft
Victor> command, which is some sort of successor to iptables.  That's
Victor> fine.  I basically want my future raspberry pi to have the
Victor> functionality of the ZyXel C1100Z

Victor> The part I'm concerned about is the RJ11 wire that goes from the
Victor> ZyXEL C1100Z to something called a network terminal, that will
Victor> let me access the fiber optic line that may come to my house.  I
Victor> hope I said that correctly enough.

Victor> So can I get some sort of dohicky converter thingy (to use a
Victor> technical term!) to turn one of the usb ports on my raspberry pi
Victor> into a "phone jack" or "DSL" port...if I'm saying that right,
Victor> and then install some sort of software on the raspberry pi
Victor> rasbian debian OS, that will let me communicate with the network
Victor> terminal.  Just like I need to possibly learn how to recompile a
Victor> kernel to make use of the nft tool, do I analogously somehow put
Victor> on some software on the raspberry pi, that in the end will make
Victor> my raspberry pi a complete replacement for the ZyXEL
Victor> C1100Zand thus communicate through the RJ11 ( not ethernet )
Victor> port.

Victor> I want to do this for the learning of DHCP servers, wifi access
Victor> points, firewalls, et. al.  I just don't know if the DSL RJ11
Victor> parts is possible.  If it is not possilble, then I'll buy the
Victor> ZyXEL C1100Z.  If it is possible, then I'll rent the ZyXEL
Victor> C1100Z, until I figure out how to replicate the latter product
Victor> on a raspberry pi.  If what I'm asking to try to do is really
Victor> stupid, and very involved, i.e. the DSL RJ11 part, not the other
Victor> stuff, then I'll just buy the ZyXELL C1100Z.  If I have to do
Victor> things like solder something, for example, then I'm out.

Victor> This all assumes that I'm not disabused of my notion of
Victor> switching from Comcast to CenturyLink in the first place.

Victor> So, while I may be a bit barbarous in my phrasing, I hope I was
Victor> articulate enough to get my point across.  So, should I just
Victor> stick with comcast over centurylink.  If I go with centurylink,
Victor> can I implement the functionality of the ZyXEL C1100Z DSL phone
Victor> jack RJ11 in the raspberry pi, or is that just dumb to do.

First off, if it's fiber, then you aren't going to use the rj-11.  If
you are plugging in the rj-11, and it's really a 40 Mbps download
service, then it's probably bonded DSL (they use two pairs of copper and
gang them for extra speed).

If it's DSL, you'll need a DSL modem (their C1100Z or something
equivalent).  If it's fiber, they will try to sell or rent you a router
to plug it into.  You don't need it, but you will need your PPPoE
credentials that they would normally program into their router.  You
also need to set up a VLAN on your router (VLAN 201) in order to talk to
the fiber box they will screw on the side of your house (if they are
really installing fiber, which I'm skeptical about).  Find out which
they are promising.

The people who come to your door are not really reliable sources of
information, generally.  They are there to say what they need to say to
get you to sign up so they can get their commission or whatever sales
incentive they have.

Furthermore, a Raspberry Pi is not going to make a very good wireless
access point.  Only the version 3 has