Re: Elastic as FLOSS again?

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I am leery of a company that is willing to play with its open-source
licensing like that, For all of its evils Amazon seems to back anything it
releases as open-source and keep it that way.

This is an interesting about it (But by no means definitive)
https://coralogix.com/guides/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-vs-opensearch-key-differences/

On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 8:33 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
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> der.hans via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 3 Sep 2024 20:12:22 + (UTC)
>
> >moin moin,
> >
> >Shay reportedly says Elastic is going to add AGPL to ES, so will be
> >Open Source again.
> >
> >
> https://devclass.com/2024/09/02/elasticsearch-will-be-open-source-again-as-cto-declares-changed-landscape/
>
> Affero? Euu!
>
> Hey, here's a serious question from a webmaster, not a criticism. On
> this website they have a graphic of hands wielding poker chips on
> some kind of gambling table. Is this meant to convey that Elastic is
> gambling by this move, does it have some other meaning, or is it just a
> good looking graphic thrown in?
>
> During the past few months I've been reevaluating my thoughts on
> graphics on web pages I create.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
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Re: Elastic as FLOSS again?

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We are moving from SOLR to OpenSearch and its pretty fantastic. It is super
fast, and super flexible even in its default state/config

On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 4:45 PM Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <
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> Given that OpenSearch is licensed in the original Apache license, I
> imagine that it's still going to supplant Elastic. That said for most use
> cases the difference between Apache and AGPL isn't going to matter because
> you're just running it as an application in your stack rather than building
> on top of it.
>
> On top of that, a lot of corporations are allergic to anything with the
> letters GPL in them due to concerns about it infecting their software.
>
> The only open-source software that I can remember in recent times that had
> some controversy around it due to license changes that survived is MongoDB;
> IIRC there wasn't any real effort to fork it, maybe because it's shine had
> dulled by the time that happened and there were already useful alternatives.
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024, at 1:12 PM, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> moin moin,
>
> Shay reportedly says Elastic is going to add AGPL to ES, so will be Open
> Source again.
>
>
> https://devclass.com/2024/09/02/elasticsearch-will-be-open-source-again-as-cto-declares-changed-landscape/
>
> I haven't compared Open Search features to see which is more compelling at
> this point. Better security features certainly needs to be considered.
>
> ciao,
>
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Re: Config Kubuntu to not show home dir icons on desktop

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Open the Dekstoip Folder settings
Where it says layout switch from folder to layout.,

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024 at 11:38 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> Hi,
>
> I am running Kubuntu 24.04.  It shows an icon for every file in my home
> directory on the desktop.  I've done some searching and is is not clear
> how I can disable this feature.
>
> Any help much appreciated.
>
> Thanks!!
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Re: VirtualBox, Proxmox, QEMU and CPU Vs vCPUs

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Openshift is a RHEL implementation of Kubernetes and container management.
and a stack of tools that all work together.

For certain workloads, containers are a fantastic way to go.

And VMware HAs been Gutted by Broadcom.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 7:42 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
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> Hi Greg --
>
> Yes, RedHat OpenShift is typically used in conjunction with Kubernetes and
> containers, but can also host "classic" VMs, although there is some work
> involved ... It's not 1:1.
>
> My work, APS, is also considering this switch.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, 14:09 greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> speaking of VMs I see they are migrating from VMWare to OpenShift from
>> Red Hat at work.
>> Anyone know more about this? Is it cost based?
>> no one is saying why here.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2024 at 02:05:11 PM MST, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think the option you're looking for is called "affinity":
>>
>>
>> https://pve.proxmox.com/pve-docs/pve-admin-guide.html#qm_cpu_resource_limits
>>
>> With the *affinity* option, you can specify the physical CPU cores that
>> are used to run the VM’s vCPUs. Peripheral VM processes, such as those for
>> I/O, are not affected by this setting. Note that the *CPU affinity is
>> not a security feature*.
>>
>>
>> That said, I'm wondering why you're wanting to do this, specifically what
>> you think you're going to gain over just allowing the kernel to schedule
>> things the way it normally does.
>>
>> For instance, it's not going to lock that core specifically for use to
>> that VM; other processes can still use that core. You'd literally have to
>> set the affinity of every single process on your system to specific cores
>> which would be an extreme pain. You still wouldn't have much control over
>> which cores receive interrupts and whatnot so even then you still wouldn't
>> have complete control.
>>
>> Just let the scheduler do its thing, otherwise you're likely going to end
>> up with weird issues that no one can help with or explain.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, at 1:51 PM, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have a VM running with QEMU on Debian, v is a TrueNAS. Although they
>> give you a GUI to select options, it is my understanding that it's just
>> pure QEMU running on the backend.
>>
>> In this VM, I have vCPUs configured.
>>
>> --
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>> Alexander
>>
>> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024, 13:43 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've started to skim the Ubuntu docs on QEMU. It talks about vCPUs.
>> I've run both VirtualBox and Proxmox. Seems both VirtualBox and Proxmox
>> only allow for CPU allocation at the CPU level.
>>
>> I'd really like to be able allocate vCPUs.
>>
>> Do I understand this correctly?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>> Keith
>>
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Re: HTML, CSS and PHP

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Each is their own separate thing, and they do that thing. They are often
used together because they are very complimentary.

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> Hi all,
>
> This is a question for our resident PHP expert Keith Smith, but others
> please feel free to chime in...
>
> In what ways, if any, is knowledge of HTML and CSS valuable to a PHP
> programmer?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: sudo in general, and not requiring password in particular (was Re: trouble adding my user to sudoers list)

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Re: AI Tools For Article Writing

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I use Google Gemini to help digest walls of text into digestible form, and
if I despise what I have written. I use the Atlassian version at work for
helping to rewrite for clarity in my user stories.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 9:31 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> Hi,
>
> Anyone using any AI tools for article writing. If so what are you using?
>
> Is anyone using AI at all? if so for what.
>
> I have been playing with ChatGPT and it is great for writing PHP code if
> one uses the correct prompts.
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Re: VERY OT, DO NOT READ THIS! (wind power, was Re: OT Humidity, was time off) Do not read, do not follow up! ;-)

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And the cities we have built? the changes have already been made in some
places.

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 5:45 PM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
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> Matthew Crews had an interesting reference, which I skimmed. Apparently
> there is a 6% change in  a non-trivial distance downwind from the
> wind farm.  If my skimming was accurate, that was measured difference,
> but the simulation apparently was similar.  (But now we've gotten beyond
> my skimming powers - there's a LOT of info in that reference!)
>
> On 6/21/24 18:57, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Pump up the noise!
> >
> > Whereas megawatts of power is being removed from the kinetic energy of
> > the wind, how much of the total is it? How wide is the wind, and how
> > high, compared to the size of the wind farm? The windmills remove some
> > fraction of a percent. I think this qualifies as "a gnat's fart in a
> > hurricane" worth of difference... unless you have some references to
> > support your assertion?
> >
> > Regards,
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Re: Does anyone use ventoy ?

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Very cool. Download iso(s)  mount ventoy drive and copy over your iso. Then
boot and it will give you a list of your iso(s) and boot.

On Fri, Jun 21, 2024, 4:46 PM joe--- via PLUG-discuss <
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> Does anyone on the PLUG list
> have experience using Ventoy?
>
> A friend used his Ventoy USB flash
> stick to install Linux Mint on a
> used thinkpad t470 that I purchased.
>
> But I then discovered that the newer
> Linux Mint version that he installed
> does not have many KDE capabilties
> that I have always had on my older
> thinkpad laptops.
>
> So I downloaded Ventoy from
> https://ventoy.net ... hoping to
> install kubuntu to get those valuable
> KDE capabilities that I need.
>
> When I tried to install Ventoy, the
>   system said: "Congratulations! Ventoy
> has been successfully installed to the
> device" ... However, the USB is blank.
>
> So, I purchased a Ventoy USB from ebay:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/364756232958
>
> But it came with no instructions, and
> I cannot figure out how to get it to
> boot on the used thinkpad t480 that I
> purchased with win-10 installed.
>
> I use Linux exclusively and have zero
> experience with windblows.
>
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Framework getting interesting again

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https://frame.work/blog/introducing-a-new-risc-v-mainboard-from-deepcomputing

So now they have a RISC V CPU option coming... Interesting.

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Re: I don't know what to do.

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there is a mighty lack of context here sir.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 5:34 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> Any ideas?
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Re: chrome problem

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look for and purge all Chrome profiles in @home. better yet, you can create
a new user profile for yourself give it access to use sudo, and then purge
the old profile after saving anything you find relevant.

This will literally blow away anything that was theirs and allow you to
focus on yours.


On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 9:24 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> I thought this might be a job for AI.
>
> I asked AI "How can i remove the password on  chrome on linux"
>
> AI said:
>
> To remove the saved passwords in Google Chrome on Linux, you need to
> follow these steps:
>
>  Open Google Chrome.
>  Click on the three-dot menu icon in the top-right corner of the
> browser window.
>  Select "Settings" from the dropdown menu.
>  Scroll down and click on "Passwords" under the "Autofill" section.
>  Here, you'll see a list of saved passwords. Click on the three-dot
> menu icon next to the password you want to remove.
>  Select "Remove" from the dropdown menu.
>  Confirm the removal when prompted.
>
> If you want to remove the password for your Chrome profile altogether,
> you'll need to reset Chrome settings. Here's how:
>
>  Close Google Chrome if it's open.
>  Open a terminal window.
>  Enter the following command and press Enter:
>
>  bash
>
>  rm -rf ~/.config/google-chrome
>
>  This command will remove the entire Chrome configuration directory,
> including all settings and passwords.
>  Restart Google Chrome.
>
> Please note that resetting Chrome settings will remove all your
> customizations, bookmarks, saved passwords, and other settings. So make
> sure to back up any important data before proceeding.
>
> - - - - --
>
>   I have not verified if this is correct so precede with caution.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> On 2024-06-12 06:07, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I gots a little problem. I gots a computer with Linux on it. It has
> > chrome on it. It asks for a password everytime I start it. The
> > password WAS the previous owners password (I knew what it was). I
> > uninstalled chrome in hopes it would reset the password. I was wrong.
> > Now it won't accept either his nor my password. NOw I just click
> > cancel when it asks for a password (a few times) and it just starts
> > chrome.
> > 1- Can we just start chrome without it asking for a password?
> > if not
> > 2- How do we set a password up?
> >
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Re: Modular laptop concept

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"I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was
annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine."

those pesky steering wheels getting in the way of real work,

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 10:14 PM der.hans via PLUG-discuss <
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> Am 09. Jun, 2024 schwätzte Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss so:
>
> moin moin,
>
> > I have several Framework (both AMD and Intel) laptops including the
> > Framework 16 and they're great. Yeah there's some small fit an finish
> > issues that some have pointed out but IMO is an acceptable tradeoff for
> > being repairable and upgradable.
>
> How's the 16 for heft and mobility?
>
> I have the 13 and it's quite dainty. It's light and easy to use pretty
> well anywhere.
>
> I haven't yet tried it in an airplane seat. Driver's seat of a car was
> annoying due to steering wheel, but passenger and back seats were fine.
>
> It's also been fine for all the desktop stuff I've done on it. Haven't
> gone up over a few instances of Firefox running at the same time and have
> kept them all under 20 tabs, so it's been pretty light for browsing.
>
> I haven't yet started putting containers or databases on it, so haven't
> exercised it much that way either.
>
> > If anything, the ability to change out the ports is great. Imagine the
> > situation where you're sitting at a table, plugged in, and someone comes
> > by and kicks your power cable ripping it out of the computer. In a lot
> > of cases with other laptops, you're now going to have to replace that
> > port as it's going to at the very least break the solder joints; and
> > you're not going to be able to replace just that port as it's soldered
> > to the motherboard. Now you have a $500+ repair minimum to replace the
> > motherboard in your laptop.
> >
> > With the Framework, you likely just damaged the $10 expansion card. So
> > you pull it out, replace it with another one, and move on with your day.
>
> Yeah, extra layer of protection.
>
> I just went for 4 USB C ports and the USB C hubs I always carry with me
> anyway. If the network port didn't stick out I'd get one of those.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
> > On Sun, Jun 9, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:27 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>> On 2021-02-27 00:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> > This actually looks rather cool, thought I'd share with fellow geeks.
> >>> >
> >>> > https://frame.work/
> >>> >
> >>> > Might look at one of these if/when they come about.
> >>> >
> >>> > -mb
> >>>
> >>> How time flies. Three years later and Framework Computer Inc still
> seems
> >>> to be going strong.
> >>
> >> A friend of mine has bought it and swears by the hardware flexibility
> (mix and match).
> >> I am contemplating it for my next laptop, although my 6-year-old
> Thinkpad is still going strong :)
> >>
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Re: internal drive shows up as removable. Removable usb stick doesn't show at all

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This may be a trip to the motherboard manufacturer's documentation. Id the
port it is connected to, and find out what chipset it is connected to.

I have seen some of these "3rd party" chipsets used to provide cheap
fakeraid, extra ports when the primary chipset doesn't have enough PCI/PCIe
lanes and a handful of other reasons. they invariably cause issues with
Linux because they try to fake something that Linux sees through and tells
them to Stuff it.

Also check in BIOS if you can enable any extra removable features this will
convince Linux its not a real HDD and put it behind the USB flags.

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> I shut  down the machine so I could open it up and see which sata port
> that drive was plugged into.  I was wrong earlier when I said it was
> plugged into one of the sata ports on the motherboard.  It was plugged into
> an addon card that's plugged into a pcie slot. I have a trayless hot swap
> mobile rack I use for drives I use for backups.  I switched the two sata
> cables.  The internal drive now connects to the motherboard.  The hot swap
> rack connects to the sata addon card.  I rebooted and the internal drives
> don't show..  Apparently anything connected to the sata ports on the
> motherboard is treated as an internal drive and anything conneccted to an
> addon cars is treated as an external drive whether it is or not.
> On 4/3/24 16:00, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Not sure. What port is it plugged into?
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 6:53 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> The bios has nothing to specify whether a drive is internal or external.
>> Is there some way for me to tell the system that it's an internal drive?
>> On 4/3/24 12:50, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Check bios, some have a removable hardware flag that you can set to allow
>> them to be hot swap. Sata, SAS and U.2 NVME drives support this at a
>> hardware level natively so the bio may just need to have a setting updated.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Os = Kubuntu 22.04
>>>
>>> I have a problem with the two partitions on /dev/sdd showing up in Gnome
>>> Disk Utility and in Disks & Devices in the Kubuntu system tray as
>>> removable.  The real removable drive, a USB stick doesn't show at all.
>>> Somehow I got Gnome Disk Utility to show all disk, including the USB
>>> stick.
>>>
>>> In /sys/block/sdd there's a file named removable.  In it is just a
>>> number 1.  The other internal drives have a 0 in the removable file.
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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Re: is there any way to fix this drive?

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If you have the disk space, this has been my Go-to disk filesystem repair
and recovery. handily enough it runs via multiple platforms.

On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 9:41 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> thank you so much. I have a problem with the request though. I only have
> windows now running ubuntu through wsl and I am not well versed through the
> command line. Could you give me some further direction?
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 7:50 PM Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 9:58 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>
>> Prima facie, it looks like a corrupted file system v/s bad hardware.
>> Do you know what kind of filesystem it has?
>>
>> Also, as rusty has suggested, run *smarctl* on the disk and share its
>> output.
>>
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Re: Linux distro options ...

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11 out of 10 times when my Linux installation gets weird is is my fault,
because I putter and tinker with things to learn and just see if this one
thing that I don't like can be made gone.

Currently I have a dual boot of windows 10, and it will live there just
long enough for me to finish fooling about with a couple of games I am
playing, because I want to, get this tinker and putter and do things that
are unsupported. given they are windows native games running modifications
on them is not always functional under wine. not that it breaks really its
that certain elements just don't work.

Everything else I do is 100% Linux. and right now that is Garuda Linux,
(Arch variant) for the gaming related extras that they have baked in for my
needs.

all of it just works, wonderfully, until I mess with it. but the best part
is. you have access to logs, errors, and some remarkable documentation
across the internet and it never stays broken long.

On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 7:32 PM Arun Khan via PLUG-discuss <
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>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 7:27 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> KDE Neon is Ubuntu with them making it 100% KDE compliant :-)
>> There is also Kubuntu wich is Ubuntu dialing a KDE experience. but are
>> options and are quite stable.
>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 11:17 AM z via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> It's been years since I used it, but I found KDE Neon to be less buggy
>>> than Kubuntu. KDE is a nice desktop, I would recommend.
>>>
>>> May 21, 2024 07:32:14 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>:
>>>
>>>
>>> I have used Mint and liked it.  I now use Kubuntu.  Someone said that
>>> the goal of mint was that it just runs... Well I've been on Kubuntu for
>>> maybe several years and it just runs.
>>>
>>>
> My Linux desktop experience is similar.
>
> I started my Linux desktop journey circa 1997, dual booting between
> Windows and Linux.  Believe it or not, it was more stable than Windows 98
> but there were not many productivity apps.
> I experimented with a stock X desktop, calculating the Hsync/Vsync
> modelines till you got it right for *your* CRT monitor!
>
> And then came the KDE desktop 0.9x, with its suite of applications.  I
> have been using the KDE desktop for quite a while.
> And then it slowly became bloatware and I switched to Linux Mint (Mate)
> about 7 years ago.
>
> The Linux Mint team has done a wonderful job putting together a desktop
> distro that simply works with LTS and rolling upgrades.
> Linux Mint may be the way to go if you are looking for ease of
> installation and maintenance.
>
> About 6 months ago, I tried Kubuntu 22.04 in a VM and was quite surprised
> to see that it was nimble like when it first came out.
> I have switched to Kubuntu 24.04 a couple of weeks ago.
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Re: Raspberry Pi4 USB SSD adapters

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The pi4 has a native pcie slot and there are nvme hats that take advantage
of this to mount nvme drives to this pcie bus.

On Fri, May 31, 2024, 7:50 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
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> I have a Raspberry Pi4 and I've had trouble with some adapters for some
> sata ssds I've tried using with it. I have several usb3 adapters that
> don't support uasp. When I try using one, the speeds are slow and I get
> lots of errors.  I looked this up online and everything I saw about it
> said that some usb3 ssd adapters don't support uasp and a  system trying
> to use it will get slow speeds and lots of errors. Some of the stuff I
> read says how to get the manufacturer and model id numbers and put them
> in /boot/firmware/cmdline.txt so the system will not try using uasp with
> those devices.  In  the cmdline.txt file on my Pi4, I have the following
> at the front of cmdline.txt:
>
> usb-storage-quirks-152d:0578:u (152d:0578 is the manufacturer and
> device numbers for the device in question.)
>
> This is supposed to tell the system not to use uasp on the specified
> device.  I tried that, and rebooted the pi, but still have the problem.
> The only way I got it working was to plug the second drive into a usb2
> port.  It's a bit slower, but works.
>
> Here it told how to identify the device and how to modify cmdline.txt to
> tell the system not to use uasp with the device
> https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=245931
>
> The cmdline.txt file starts with usb-storage-quirks-152d:0578:u
>
> Typing lsusb identifies the device.
>
> $ lsusb
> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 14b0:0206 StarTech.com Ltd.  Vi550 S3  This one
> works. The drive the pi boots from is connected to it.
>
> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 152d:0578 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA
> Technology Corp. JMS578 SATA 6Gb/s This is the one I'm having trouble with.
>
> It does not work without lots of errors. I only got it working by
> putting it in a usb2 port.  Is there any way to test whether or not a
> device supports uasp?
>
> Thanks for any help you can send my way.
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Re: chromebook and libreoffice

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ChromeOS Flex is very solid, I have it running on an old Macbook Air and I
have set up Linux support so it also has access to LibreOffice and Vivaldi
browser.

It is now easier than ever to turn an old laptop into a Chromebook and it
can be surprising how peppy they can be.

On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 8:45 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> Thanks Micheal,
>
> I asked because I see that it is possible to put the Chromebook O/S on
> an old piece of hardware.  I have two old Dell laptops that could be
> repurposed.  The only problem is I have years of project that I want to
> complete
>
>
>
> On 2024-05-30 21:35, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > no I'm not. my wife needed to open an excel spreadsheet and she was
> > unable to on her chromebook. I opened it with libre office and wanted
> > to put it on her chromebook.
> >
> > On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 8:48 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> Are you turning an old laptop into a Chromebook?
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
> >> On 2024-05-30 05:41, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> I've started using ChatGPT for searches.  Here is what it
> >> returned.  I
> >>> know nothing on the subject matter so I do not know if this is
> >>> accurate:
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> As of my last update in January 2022, Chrome OS doesn't have a
> >> built-in
> >>> Linux mode like some other operating systems such as Ubuntu or
> >> Fedora.
> >>> However, Chrome OS does support Linux applications through a
> >> feature
> >>> called "Linux (Beta)".
> >>>
> >>> To enable Linux (Beta) on your Chromebook, you can follow these
> >> steps:
> >>>
> >>> Click on the system tray in the bottom-right corner of the
> >> screen.
> >>> Click on the gear icon to open Settings.
> >>> Scroll down and click on "Advanced" to expand the menu.
> >>> Look for "Developers" and click on "Developers tools" or
> >> "Linux
> >>> (Beta)".
> >>> Follow the prompts to enable Linux (Beta) on your device.
> >>> Once enabled, you can access Linux applications through the
> >>> Terminal or by installing them from the Linux app store.
> >>>
> >>> Keep in mind that enabling Linux (Beta) will require some system
> >>> resources and may change how your device operates, so be sure to
> >> review
> >>> the implications before proceeding. Additionally, the steps might
> >> vary
> >>> slightly depending on the version of Chrome OS you're using, but
> >> they
> >>> should be similar.
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> I used the same search phrase on Google and it returned this
> >> phrase:
> >>>
> >>> https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en
> >>>
> >>> Keith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2024-05-29 22:44, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>>> yeah? but how do you enable the linux mode?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 6:29 PM Stephen Partington via
> >> PLUG-discuss
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> enable your Linux mode, normal chrome OS process.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then open your terminal and use apt update/apt install processes
> >> to
> >>>>> install LibreOffice. It's a Debian shell.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 10:03 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> you can do that? how?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 5:53 AM Stephen Partington via
> >>>>> PLUG-discuss  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just did this for myself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Enable the Linux side of your Chromebook. Then use apt to update
> >> and
> >>>>> install.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2024, 4:08 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> how do you download said suite to said operating system?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >

Re: will windows fit?

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Bill retired,

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 1:08 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I have Kubuntu 22.04 installed.  It takes 33GB for the OS and the software
> I installed.  Here's what df -h returns
> /dev/sda1 916G   33G  837G   4% /
> /dev/sdb1 1.9T  1.5T  277G  85% /home/
>
> I've been referring to windows as Bill's bugware.  I guess I should start
> calling it Bill's bloatware.
> On 5/28/24 12:28, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> as I expected
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 2:28 PM rusty via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> hmm.  I thought he was asking about WINDOWs fitting.  But while we're on
>> the topic of Linux fitting, here's my Linux DF for / and /home:
>>
>> /dev/sda237G   26G  9.6G  73% /
>> /dev/sdb2   1.8T  1.7T   18G  99% /home
>>
>> So, ignoring home, my laptop Linux Mint fits fine in 30G.  And I've got
>> LOTS of 'junk' loaded.  At my last job, I allocated around 30G for the
>> Linux partition, if I remember right, which was pretty much a default
>> install of Linux Mint.
>>
>> That being said, here are some sizes for the virtual PCs I've created for
>> the class I teach:
>>
>> Ubuntu2.2: 28.92 GB
>> Ubuntu2.2: 25.85 GB.
>> MicroOS: 34.46GB
>> EdUbuntu: 24.0GB
>> CentOS: 30.15GB
>>
>> Note that these were 'mostly' 'standard' installs, but obviously YMMV!
>> (especially since MY mileage varied!)
>>
>> Now, I also did a Windows install, W11 or W10 I think, and I don't think
>> I added much to it, and it took 50.0GB
>>
>> So, for Windows I agree that you're probably out of luck getting it in to
>> 30GB! ;-)
>>
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Re: chromebook and libreoffice

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https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 1:44 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> yeah? but how do you enable the linux mode?
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 6:29 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> enable your Linux mode, normal chrome OS process.
>>
>> Then open your terminal and use apt update/apt install processes to
>> install LibreOffice. It's a Debian shell.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 10:03 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> you can do that? how?
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 5:53 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just did this for myself.
>>>>
>>>> Enable the Linux side of your Chromebook. Then use apt to update and
>>>> install.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2024, 4:08 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> how do you download said suite to said operating system?
>>>>>
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Re: chromebook and libreoffice

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enable your Linux mode, normal chrome OS process.

Then open your terminal and use apt update/apt install processes to install
LibreOffice. It's a Debian shell.


On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 10:03 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> you can do that? how?
>
> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 5:53 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I just did this for myself.
>>
>> Enable the Linux side of your Chromebook. Then use apt to update and
>> install.
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2024, 4:08 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> how do you download said suite to said operating system?
>>>
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Re: will windows fit?

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This will depend on the version of windows. XP or 7 likely, 10 is pushing
it, 11 will not


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> I got a 30 GB drive. Will windows fit on such a drive?
>
>
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Re: chromebook and libreoffice

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I just did this for myself.

Enable the Linux side of your Chromebook. Then use apt to update and
install.

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> how do you download said suite to said operating system?
>
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Re: wsl

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Thats... unusual... VM's you can grant access to an optical drive directly.

On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 11:12 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> wsl won't work. I need to have access to an optical drive. So I need to
> wait until I can get a dedicATED LINUX BOX.
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:22 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Um,
>>
>> Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or
>> some other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when
>> I need linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux
>> like ports software library) can be useful without having to deal with a
>> VM, but X desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and
>> ORCA is not in the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a
>> 2012 Mac mini (and I don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use
>> most of the latest available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from
>> inside the VM (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I
>> don’t need to create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that
>> can sometimes be more useful than a VM.
>>
>> As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility
>> wise for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open
>> source, but doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year
>> for a license and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why
>> I avoid windows unless I have no other choice.
>>
>> The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no
>> accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere
>> on the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to
>> convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to
>> have sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even
>> proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an
>> accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no
>> response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we
>> blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to
>> the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is
>> installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my
>> own version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would
>> provide a Fiat Accompli to the industry in general and allow many more like
>> me into the full IT fields without having to demand more reasonable
>> accommodations. Ah well, I have diverged from the original subject a bit,
>> but it is, at least, minimally related to this thread.
>>
>> Anyway, since windows support for Unix services is a bit proprietary, why
>> not just go with a VM and call it good?
>>
>> -Eric
>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Engineering and
>> Development Dept.
>>
>>
>> On May 21, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm
>> doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it
>> responds with:
>>
>> _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777
>> _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed...
>> _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed
>> _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed...
>> etc
>>
>> So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box
>> again?
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Re: wsl

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Wsl has some advantages over a vm in that you have direct filesystem access
if needed. There are other elements of running things side by side.

On Tue, May 21, 2024, 10:22 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Um,
>
> Given you are on a windows box, wouldn’t it be easier to run VMWare or
> some other virtual machine platform? I do that here on my OS X system when
> I need linux (and ORCA screen reader). Sure, macports (the unix and linux
> like ports software library) can be useful without having to deal with a
> VM, but X desktops aren’t accessible with the built in screen reader and
> ORCA is not in the macports library. :( So, even though I am stuck on a
> 2012 Mac mini (and I don’t have the funds for upgrading), I can still use
> most of the latest available (and accessible) X desktop items and ORCA from
> inside the VM (including latest LTS versions of Ubuntu) It also means I
> don’t need to create a bootcamp partition for the other OS, although that
> can sometimes be more useful than a VM.
>
> As for windows, too much is hit and miss on that platform accessibility
> wise for me to use it reliably. Sure, the NVDA screen reader is open
> source, but doesn’t work with everything and JAWS costs about $100 a year
> for a license and also doesn’t work with everything. That is basically why
> I avoid windows unless I have no other choice.
>
> The only issue I have with apple products is that the EFI has no
> accessibility whatsoever (in fact, none of the available hardware anywhere
> on the market for computing has accessibility on the EFI). So, if I want to
> convert my old Mac mini into a dedicated linux machine, I would have to
> have sighted assistance to do so (a non starter here). And yes, I have even
> proposed to the EFI consortium the use of BrlTTY in the EFI as an
> accessibility option (it is, after all, an embedded linux). Yet, I see no
> response from them at all and I have tried every year since 2010. Guess we
> blind computer techs don’t mean squat unless we can bring a lot of money to
> the table. Now, if I knew the full in’s and out’s of how the EFI is
> installed, configured and compiled, then it wouldn’t be hard to create my
> own version with a built-in braille and speech interface. That would
> provide a Fiat Accompli to the industry in general and allow many more like
> me into the full IT fields without having to demand more reasonable
> accommodations. Ah well, I have diverged from the original subject a bit,
> but it is, at least, minimally related to this thread.
>
> Anyway, since windows support for Unix services is a bit proprietary, why
> not just go with a VM and call it good?
>
> -Eric
> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Engineering and
> Development Dept.
>
>
> On May 21, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> well, I'm stuck in a world of windows now. but I gots to use linux so I'm
> doing wsl. How do I get gui to work: I ran apt update/upgrade/xinit but it
> responds with:
>
> _XSERVTansmkdir: ModeX11-unix should 1777
> _XSERVTransCreateListener: failed...
> _XSERVTransUNIX...:failed
> _XSERVTransMakeALL... failed...
> etc
>
> So could someone help me get x going until I can get a beloved linux box
> again?
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Re: Linux distro options ...

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

KDE Neon is Ubuntu with them making it 100% KDE compliant :-)
There is also Kubuntu wich is Ubuntu dialing a KDE experience. but are
options and are quite stable.

On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 11:17 AM z via PLUG-discuss <
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> It's been years since I used it, but I found KDE Neon to be less buggy
> than Kubuntu. KDE is a nice desktop, I would recommend.
>
> May 21, 2024 07:32:14 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>:
>
>
> I have used Mint and liked it.  I now use Kubuntu.  Someone said that the
> goal of mint was that it just runs... Well I've been on Kubuntu for maybe
> several years and it just runs.
>
> On 2024-05-20 16:37, joe--- via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Thanks Ryan. That is what I hope to do.
> ---
> 2405-18 Ryan Jones via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Hi Joe, Have you considered installing KDE
> on Linux Mint and then having your Display
> Manager boot to it by default? I find it
> strange that Mint does not offer a KDE edition.
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Re: Need help updating linux mint (or) ...

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

To follow up on Alexander said here, It might be worth it to set up an
Rsync to a single system so that all of the others will sync to that
system. or some of the other roaming profile options.

I personally went with KDE on Garuda Linux, but for your needs arch would
be a good idea over garuda (Gaming centric tweaks and tools).

I like the current state of KDE Plasma it suits me. in the case of an OS, i
would consider picking one that will let you keep updating from old to new
or a good stable rolling release. one that you can keep moving forward as
it seems that you have run into a limit on Mint in that regard.

And this is a great summary of Rolling release vs a more traditional
release and the hazards.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/yvmmk8/comment/iwfgohe/

https://itsfoss.com/best-rolling-release-distros/ has a good list of
rolling releases, and given how many Arch derivatives there are suggest to
me that arch seems to handle this really well (at least for my wants and
needs) and for my main system why I chose Garuda.

But as you are in a moment of change, maybe take an extended look at what
you want from these systems and how you want them to work for you.


On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 10:52 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
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> "Got everything the way I like it" ... Does this extend beyond user
> configs?
>
> I would imagine you could probably backup your /home/joe user folder (make
> sure you get all the hidden directories like .config) ... Or are you
> talking about system wide changes?
>
> I mean, it might hurt at first, but I would back everything up that I
> needed or wanted, and then just do a fresh mint install on one, get it the
> way you want it, then you could image it for the others, or just do the
> same steps on those too.
>
> If you're constantly backing up to the other systems for redundancy, it
> might make more sense to just keep a solid backup routine that collects so
> the things you want and uploads it to the cloud (public or private).
>
> I've never used MINT per say, but I've been deep in Linux for about
> 20 years now. Let me know what you think or if you have any questions.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2024, 18:32 joe--- via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> PLUG Friends ...
>>
>> I need help and I will be glad to pay
>> someone to help me get my out-of-date
>> Linux systems updated.
>>
>> I have four (4) Thinkpads with these
>> old versions of Linux Mint installed:
>>
>> #1 T420 linux Mint version 18.1 Serena
>> #2 T430 linux Mint version 18.1 Serena
>> #3 T460 Linux Mint version 20.1 Ulyssa
>> #4 T530 Linux Mint version 19.1 Tessa
>>
>> #1 is my primary computer and the only
>> one on which (almost) everything works
>> the way I want it to work. But the OS
>> is now too old so it cannot be updated.
>>
>> Every week, I back up all of my data to
>> the other three, but each of them have
>> various deficiencies; including, I cannot
>> get 4 virtual desktops to work with unique
>> screen backgrounds on each desktop.
>>
>> I am considering replacing my old Thinkpads
>> with T460's or T470's or T480's like these:
>>
>> https://upquick.com/walmart-thinkpads.jpg
>>
>> Which would you recommend, and would KDE
>> be better to install than Linux Mint?
>>
>> j...@actionline.com ~ 480-325-5055
>> 855 South 77th Place
>> East Mesa AZ
>> 
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Re: Fediverse for May topic

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

So the idea is to be able to join your own or your buddy's social media
site, and then it syncs to others. all the content and activity is still on
that main server, but people from other servers can still subscribe to you
from wherever they are logged in. and then this subscription is handed back
and forth when called/requested between the different services.

So your feed can pull content from just one server or 50 depending on your
subscriptions. but you still only have to deal with one social location. a
lot like a really pretty and interactive RSS feed, so you can use this for
news info, social updates whatever you want.

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:59 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hi Went to what I think is the "main" website and it said:
>
> Fediverse social network differs from mainstream platforms (Facebook,
> Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, etc). Mainstream platforms concentrate
> millions of users on one website, where they control all the
> decision-making, enforce censorship, and hoard users' data for
> commercial profit and spying. Fediverse platforms, on the other hand,
> are developed by a community of people from all over the world,
> independent from any company or official institution. You are free to
> register on any Fediverse website you like. You can choose the person
> who will be in charge of your data - the administrator of your server.
> If you have technical knowledge, you can administrate your own server
> for your friends and family, connecting with thousands of other
> independent servers across the web. Fediverse is an autonomous universe
> where power and data are decentralized and scattered across multiple
> lands.
>
>
> So how is Fediverse used?  I am not active on any Social Media how
> do I leverage this service?
>
> Thanks!!
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2024-05-08 23:37, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > moin moin,
> >
> > I updated my Fediverse talk for LinuxFest Northwest, but we had some
> > technical difficulties and I didn't get through the whole thing, so I'm
> > reprising it for tomorrow's PLUG meeting.
> >
> > "Mastodon and the Fediverse: Decentralized Social Networking and
> > Services"
> >
> > Still in Big Blue Button at 19:00.
> >
> > https://lufthans.bigbluemeeting.com/plu-yuk-7xx
> >
> > https://floss.social/@FLOX_advocate/112409734846295432
> >
> > Stammtisch is a week from Tuesday at Boulders on Southern, also at
> > 19:00.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
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Re: Show and Tell at GoLUG, 5/1/2024

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

That was an interesting set of tools demonstrated.

Do you have any links for the CSS you were demonstrating?

On Wed, May 1, 2024, 4:20 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
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> Hi all,
>
> The Wednesday, 5/1/2024 GoLUG meeting commences at 7pm Eastern Daylight
> Time online at meet.jit.si/golug .
>
> I'll be late because of my kids' birthday (this happens every May), but
> when I get there I'll show a simple no Javascript, CSS-only web-menu and
> a 100% CSS, no graphics knockoff of the logo from TV show Law & Order.
> This gives plenty of time for others to show off various interesting
> tricks they've created.
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> SteveT
>
>
> 
> [1]
>
> Online via Jitsi:
> https://meet.jit.si/golug
>
> Mobile app:
> https://jitsi.org/downloads/
>
> Desktop app:
> https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases
>
> --
>
> Steve Litt
> GoLUG Publicity Coordinator
>
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> welcomes an international audience for online presentations and
> discussions on Linux and adjacent technologies.
>
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Re: catching the hand that is spying on me

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Good you found the culprit, and glad it turned out to be a trustworthy
actor.

Best of healing and welcome back.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024, 8:08 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> Good to hear no one is spying on you.  Hope your recovery is speedy and
> full!!
>
>
> On 2024-04-10 18:41, Mike Bushroe via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > 
> > I found the reason someone was spying on me. It was me.
> > I was.
> > I was searching around on the other camera and found that it not only
> > interface with the same software but read a file in the album.
> > Eventually I watched the only video completely. The room in the
> > background seemed familiar. But the end it was my fingers and then my
> > face. It is not possible that a thief could have recorded it, let
> > alone want to. So the camera must have been put it in myself, probably
> > last spring, which I have little memory of.
> >
> >   I still have the problem that the intercom system works outside to
> > in, although volume is weak, but no signal from inside to out.
> >
> > Thanks for all the help. But I am most thankful for not having to
> > worry any more.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --
> >
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> >
> > is most VALUABLE when it is GIVEN AWAY for
> >
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Re: Catch the hand that is spying on me

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Amazon sidewalk is what it was called.

https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/wireless-networking/pros-and-cons-of-amazon-sidewalk-network-plus-how-to-opt-out-a9048278100/

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 6:42 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Note Amazon is building up a low power network across all their devices.
> That one creeps me out.
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2024, 3:48 AM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> However, if you make it obvious that you are looking at the thing, the
>> perpetrator might decide to take it back.  Put up your own video
>> doorbell, and maybe even watch the street as well so you can tie the
>> perp to their vehicle.
>>
>> Triangulation is 'fun' - find some local neighborhood hams (amateur
>> radio people) who have done T-hunting (transmitter hunting) and they can
>> give you info, and maybe even have some equipment and time/inclination
>> to help.
>>
>> If they are using YOUR wifi, I'd freak out even more than you already
>> have, since either they've got some serious wifi hacking skills, your
>> wifi is set up very poorly, or they got inside your house.
>>
>> Have you filed a police report about the missing items?  I assume they
>> weren't interested in the tech issue  Who should be? Probably not
>> FBI or any other three-letter-government agency ;-)
>>
>> On the detection angle, I've been thinking that using a SDR USB dongle
>> and GnuRadio or similar, you should be able to hack together a
>> relatively useful spectrum analyzer. I've played with an SDR dongle and
>> GnuRadio and had no luck yet...
>>
>> I also just did a search and found a $49 spectrum analyzer and a $899
>> spectrum analyzer, should you wish to go buy one.  "One of these days" I
>> hope to get me a working spectrum analyzer...  ("But today is not that
>> day" ;-)
>>
>> On 4/5/24 08:36, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > I would never had thought of this type of scam.  I hope you find the
>> > person or persons.  I'm guessing it might be someone close to you.
>> > Yikes!!
>> >
>> > Several months ago there was a post on next door where a man had
>> > passed away and someone stole his gun safes. Heinous!!
>> >
>> > Is this camera ties into a subscription?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2024-04-04 19:00, Mike Bushroe via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >> I have been lurking for a long time and just returned from a 10 month
>> >> session in hospitals, extended care facilities, other hospitals, rehab
>> >> places, more nursing care, other hospitals etc after having a major
>> >> brain injury and brain surgery. During this time my sisters have been
>> >> feeding the cats and spending a little bit of time looking after the
>> >> place. During this time the doorbell had shorted out and a new
>> >> wireless doorbell put in its place. When I found out about I asked my
>> >> sisters how had put it in so I could find the user's manual to see how
>> >> to convert it to my system. Only none of them knew anything about it,
>> >> just assumed that one of the others had put it in.
>> >> Now I am facing the problem of someone having secure access to my
>> >> front door. And while I have
>> >>
>> >> been gone for so long things, including expensive things have gone
>> >> missing. Some locked up but with hours or days of knowing when no one
>> >> will be there can make it easy to get to.
>> >> So what I am hoping for is if someone knows of a program to detect
>> >> when something transmits from a few inches away and then some way to
>> >> triangulate on where else that network is coming from. It seems
>> >> unlikely that anyone else within range would also not notice a
>> >> wireless doorbell suddenly showing on their front door. Perhaps even
>> >> just wireshark watching for which WiFi groups suddenly light up when
>> >> somebody walks in front of the camera. Such as CoxHiFi, Nighthawk.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry for the long gap between messages and then the big request.
>> >>
>> >> Mike Bushroe
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >>KINDNESS
>> >>
>> >> is most VALUABLE when it is GIVEN AWAY for
>> >>
>> >>FREE
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Re: Catch the hand that is spying on me

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Note Amazon is building up a low power network across all their devices.
That one creeps me out.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2024, 3:48 AM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> However, if you make it obvious that you are looking at the thing, the
> perpetrator might decide to take it back.  Put up your own video
> doorbell, and maybe even watch the street as well so you can tie the
> perp to their vehicle.
>
> Triangulation is 'fun' - find some local neighborhood hams (amateur
> radio people) who have done T-hunting (transmitter hunting) and they can
> give you info, and maybe even have some equipment and time/inclination
> to help.
>
> If they are using YOUR wifi, I'd freak out even more than you already
> have, since either they've got some serious wifi hacking skills, your
> wifi is set up very poorly, or they got inside your house.
>
> Have you filed a police report about the missing items?  I assume they
> weren't interested in the tech issue  Who should be? Probably not
> FBI or any other three-letter-government agency ;-)
>
> On the detection angle, I've been thinking that using a SDR USB dongle
> and GnuRadio or similar, you should be able to hack together a
> relatively useful spectrum analyzer. I've played with an SDR dongle and
> GnuRadio and had no luck yet...
>
> I also just did a search and found a $49 spectrum analyzer and a $899
> spectrum analyzer, should you wish to go buy one.  "One of these days" I
> hope to get me a working spectrum analyzer...  ("But today is not that
> day" ;-)
>
> On 4/5/24 08:36, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I would never had thought of this type of scam.  I hope you find the
> > person or persons.  I'm guessing it might be someone close to you.
> > Yikes!!
> >
> > Several months ago there was a post on next door where a man had
> > passed away and someone stole his gun safes. Heinous!!
> >
> > Is this camera ties into a subscription?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2024-04-04 19:00, Mike Bushroe via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> I have been lurking for a long time and just returned from a 10 month
> >> session in hospitals, extended care facilities, other hospitals, rehab
> >> places, more nursing care, other hospitals etc after having a major
> >> brain injury and brain surgery. During this time my sisters have been
> >> feeding the cats and spending a little bit of time looking after the
> >> place. During this time the doorbell had shorted out and a new
> >> wireless doorbell put in its place. When I found out about I asked my
> >> sisters how had put it in so I could find the user's manual to see how
> >> to convert it to my system. Only none of them knew anything about it,
> >> just assumed that one of the others had put it in.
> >> Now I am facing the problem of someone having secure access to my
> >> front door. And while I have
> >>
> >> been gone for so long things, including expensive things have gone
> >> missing. Some locked up but with hours or days of knowing when no one
> >> will be there can make it easy to get to.
> >> So what I am hoping for is if someone knows of a program to detect
> >> when something transmits from a few inches away and then some way to
> >> triangulate on where else that network is coming from. It seems
> >> unlikely that anyone else within range would also not notice a
> >> wireless doorbell suddenly showing on their front door. Perhaps even
> >> just wireshark watching for which WiFi groups suddenly light up when
> >> somebody walks in front of the camera. Such as CoxHiFi, Nighthawk.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the long gap between messages and then the big request.
> >>
> >> Mike Bushroe
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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Re: Motherboard vs. CPU RAM address ability

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Dell and how both will cut corners in bios or mainboard to save money and
while a cpu can support something the board will not. At this point I will
build my own and my next laptop will be a framework unless someone gives me
a stupidly good deal.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 6:33 PM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss <
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> On Apr 10, 2024 at 11:35 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> I think they do this so one does not buy a cheaper computer and upgrade
> is as they go.  I think they want one to buy a more expensive product if
> one needs more RAM, etc.
>
>
> One of the reasons I am extremely cautious about buying a PC these days.
> Doubly so when it comes to laptops.
>
> Also need to be careful because a lot of name-brand PCs have their
> components soldered into the mainboard now (specifically batteries, RAM,
> and storage drives), making upgrades / replacements impossible. Caveat
> emptor applies.
>
> I definitely caution people to buy for future needs, and not current needs.
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Re: Catch the hand that is spying on me

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Welcome back! Sorry to hear about the injury. The tools to do this are not
cheap (based on my personal knowledge) but if it is attached to your wifi
then Wireshark is where I would go with it.

If it has some level of camera etc then I would look at the device and see
what kind of model it is and if it ties to a service or just a local
device.


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> I have been lurking for a long time and just returned from a 10 month
> session in hospitals, extended care facilities, other hospitals, rehab
> places, more nursing care, other hospitals etc after having a major brain
> injury and brain surgery. During this time my sisters have been feeding the
> cats and spending a little bit of time looking after the place. During this
> time the doorbell had shorted out and a new wireless doorbell put in its
> place. When I found out about I asked my sisters how had put it in so I
> could find the user's manual to see how to convert it to my system. Only
> none of them knew anything about it, just assumed that one of the others
> had put it in.
> Now I am facing the problem of someone having secure access to my front
> door. And while I have
> been gone for so long things, including expensive things have gone
> missing. Some locked up but with hours or days of knowing when no one will
> be there can make it easy to get to.
> So what I am hoping for is if someone knows of a program to detect when
> something transmits from a few inches away and then some way to triangulate
> on where else that network is coming from. It seems unlikely that anyone
> else within range would also not notice a wireless doorbell suddenly
> showing on their front door. Perhaps even just wireshark watching for which
> WiFi groups suddenly light up when somebody walks in front of the camera.
> Such as CoxHiFi, Nighthawk.
>
> Sorry for the long gap between messages and then the big request.
>
> Mike Bushroe
>
>
> --
>
>KINDNESS
>
> is most VALUABLE when it is GIVEN AWAY for
>
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Re: internal drive shows up as removable. Removable usb stick doesn't show at all

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Not sure. What port is it plugged into?

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 6:53 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> The bios has nothing to specify whether a drive is internal or external.
> Is there some way for me to tell the system that it's an internal drive?
> On 4/3/24 12:50, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Check bios, some have a removable hardware flag that you can set to allow
> them to be hot swap. Sata, SAS and U.2 NVME drives support this at a
> hardware level natively so the bio may just need to have a setting updated.
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Os = Kubuntu 22.04
>>
>> I have a problem with the two partitions on /dev/sdd showing up in Gnome
>> Disk Utility and in Disks & Devices in the Kubuntu system tray as
>> removable.  The real removable drive, a USB stick doesn't show at all.
>> Somehow I got Gnome Disk Utility to show all disk, including the USB
>> stick.
>>
>> In /sys/block/sdd there's a file named removable.  In it is just a
>> number 1.  The other internal drives have a 0 in the removable file.
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this?
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: internal drive shows up as removable. Removable usb stick doesn't show at all

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Check bios, some have a removable hardware flag that you can set to allow
them to be hot swap. Sata, SAS and U.2 NVME drives support this at a
hardware level natively so the bio may just need to have a setting updated.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Os = Kubuntu 22.04
>
> I have a problem with the two partitions on /dev/sdd showing up in Gnome
> Disk Utility and in Disks & Devices in the Kubuntu system tray as
> removable.  The real removable drive, a USB stick doesn't show at all.
> Somehow I got Gnome Disk Utility to show all disk, including the USB stick.
>
> In /sys/block/sdd there's a file named removable.  In it is just a
> number 1.  The other internal drives have a 0 in the removable file.
>
>
> Does anyone have an idea how I can fix this?
>
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Take a look at the 5500xt. Its in the same price category, but newer and
should be supported for quite some time. also should have better feature
support.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 1:53 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> The website I checked out to compare the cards showed the age of the
> cards.  The  710 was first sold in 2015 and 2017 for the 580.  I can't see
> myself spending several hundred for the latest and greatest.
> On 4/2/24 09:53, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> the 710 is almost a decade old even though it is being sold. the 580 is
> still several core architectures behind.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 8:23 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I looked up the two cards you mentioned and they perform pretty much the
>> same, but they appear to blow the GT710 out of the water if this is to be
>> believed. I think I'll give up on getting nvenc to work on the gt 710.  I
>> imagine the rx580 will do much better.
>>
>>
>> https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-710-vs-AMD-RX-580/m77649vs3923
>> On 3/28/24 14:05, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> The closest modern card are going to be the RX 580's or 5500xt
>>
>> Thise are in the 50-100 price range that the 710 is.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 4:58 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The card I have now is a GeForce GT 710.  What Radeon card  would be
>>> equivalent to that?  I don't want to buy something that turns out to be
>>> slower.
>>> On 3/26/24 10:04, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>
>>> Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous performance gains under
>>> vulkan.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700
>>>>
>>>> >I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I would think
>>>> >that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an NDA that Free
>>>> Software developers can't sign.
>>>>
>>>> >There are a lot
>>>> >of Nvidia users out there.
>>>>
>>>> Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
>>>> corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so they don't
>>>> care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.
>>>>
>>>> If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch from Nvidia to
>>>> Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest flakiness or
>>>> video artifacts.
>>>>
>>>> SteveT
>>>>
>>>> Steve Litt
>>>>
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>>>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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Re: Nextcloud providers

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I run Nextcloud in the shared hosting that is part of DreamHost unlimited
shared hosting. Its Apache but it works.

I have nextcloud running on Nginx at work and it's very happy. Just have to
not use the htaccess files.

If you want a hand, let me know.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 3:33 PM z via PLUG-discuss <
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> I've been trying to set up NextCloud for private use on my personal
> VPS/website, but am experiencing difficulty . There are a lot of features
> which require special extensions or configuration, which can vary by
> distribution. Plus I'm using nginx instead of apache and there is much less
> documentation in that direction
>
> I think it would be much easier to pay a provider to host for me. Does
> anyone do this and do you have a recommendation on who to do business with?
> Perfect privacy is not my number one concern, I still want encryption, but
> I am much more interested in dealing with an ethical company that supports
> copyleft or open source projects. Affordability would also be appreciated.
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide,
>
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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

the 710 is almost a decade old even though it is being sold. the 580 is
still several core architectures behind.


On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 8:23 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I looked up the two cards you mentioned and they perform pretty much the
> same, but they appear to blow the GT710 out of the water if this is to be
> believed. I think I'll give up on getting nvenc to work on the gt 710.  I
> imagine the rx580 will do much better.
>
>
> https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-710-vs-AMD-RX-580/m77649vs3923
> On 3/28/24 14:05, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> The closest modern card are going to be the RX 580's or 5500xt
>
> Thise are in the 50-100 price range that the 710 is.
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 4:58 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> The card I have now is a GeForce GT 710.  What Radeon card  would be
>> equivalent to that?  I don't want to buy something that turns out to be
>> slower.
>> On 3/26/24 10:04, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous performance gains under
>> vulkan.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700
>>>
>>> >I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I would think
>>> >that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.
>>>
>>> I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an NDA that Free
>>> Software developers can't sign.
>>>
>>> >There are a lot
>>> >of Nvidia users out there.
>>>
>>> Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
>>> corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so they don't
>>> care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.
>>>
>>> If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch from Nvidia to
>>> Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest flakiness or
>>> video artifacts.
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>>
>>> Steve Litt
>>>
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>>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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Re: Handbrake won't use nvenc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

They are likely interrelated. Maybe this can help you?

https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/install-nvenc-12-x-with-libnvidia-compute-server-525/276013

On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 6:43 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Any idea how I would fix that?  I saw where it said nvdec isn't there, but
> I'm trying to use nvenc?  Will it refuse to work if nvdec is missing?
> On 3/30/24 14:49, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> nvdec: is not compiled into this build
>
> That seems to be the issue.
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 5:03 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Here's a recap of my last post.  I had Ubuntu 22.04 installed on this
>> machine.  I had Handbrake using the Nvenc option.  Recently I had to
>> reinstall the OS.  Now Nvendc doesn't work.  I didn't change any
>> hardware.  Handbrake gives me an error now.   Today I tried again and
>> clicked the button for the Activity window. Here's what was in it.
>>
>>
>> OS: Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS
>> HandBrake 1.7.3 (2023082100)
>> Kernel: Linux 5.15.0-100-generic (x86_64)
>> CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz x 4
>> Install Dir: /usr/bin
>> Config Dir:  /home/delboy/.config/ghb
>> ___
>>
>> [13:40:34] Compile-time hardening features are enabled
>> [13:40:34] nvenc: version 11.1 is available
>> [13:40:34] nvdec: is not compiled into this build
>> [13:40:34] CUDA Version: 3.5
>> [13:40:34] vcn: not available on this system
>> [13:40:34] qsv: not available on this system
>> [13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
>> [13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
>> [13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
>> [13:40:40] CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz
>> [13:40:40]  - Intel microarchitecture Ivy Bridge
>> [13:40:40]  - logical processor count: 4
>> [13:40:40] Intel Quick Sync Video support: no
>> [13:40:40] hb_scan: path=/home/delboy/a.mp4, title_index=0
>> Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from '/home/delboy/a.mp4':
>>Metadata:
>>  major_brand : isom
>>  minor_version   : 512
>>  compatible_brands: isomiso2avc1mp41
>>  encoder : Lavf58.76.100
>>Duration: 00:00:16.58, start: 0.00, bitrate: 2144 kb/s
>>Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Video: h264 (Main) (avc1 / 0x31637661),
>> yuv420p(tv, bt709, progressive), 1920x1080 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1979
>> kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 12800 tbn (default)
>>  Metadata:
>>handler_name: VideoHandler
>>vendor_id   : [0][0][0][0]
>>Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 48000 Hz,
>> stereo, fltp, 161 kb/s (default)
>>  Metadata:
>>handler_name: SoundHandler
>>vendor_id   : [0][0][0][0]
>> [13:40:41] scan: decoding previews for title 1
>> [13:40:41] scan: audio 0x1: aac, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=161200 Unknown
>> (AAC LC, 2.0 ch, 161 kbps)
>> [13:40:41] using container PAR 1:1
>> [13:40:41] scan: 10 previews, 1920x1080, 25.000 fps, autocrop = 0/6/0/0,
>> aspect 16:9, PAR 1:1, color profile: 1-1-1, chroma location: left
>> [13:40:41] Title is likely interlaced or telecined (10 out of 10
>> previews). You should do something about that.
>> [13:40:41] libhb: scan thread found 1 valid title(s)
>> [13:40:55] gtkgui: Custom Preset: /General/1080p 4:3
>> [13:40:55] Starting work at: Sat Mar 30 13:40:55 2024
>>
>> [13:40:55] 1 job(s) to process
>> [13:40:55] json job:
>> {
>>  "Audio": {
>>  "AudioList": [
>>  {
>>  "Bitrate": 0,
>>  "DRC": 0.0,
>>  "Encoder": "copy:aac",
>>  "Mixdown": "none",
>>  "PresetEncoder": "copy",
>>  "Quality": -3.0,
>>  "Samplerate": 0,
>>  "Track": 0
>>  }
>>  ],
>>  "CopyMask": [
>>  "copy:mp3",
>>  "copy:aac",
>>  "copy:ac3",
>>  "copy:dts",
>>  "copy:dtshd",
>>  "copy:eac3",
>>  "copy:flac",
>>  "copy:truehd"
>>  ],
>>  "FallbackEncoder": "av_aac"

Re: Handbrake won't use nvenc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

nvdec: is not compiled into this build

That seems to be the issue.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 5:03 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Here's a recap of my last post.  I had Ubuntu 22.04 installed on this
> machine.  I had Handbrake using the Nvenc option.  Recently I had to
> reinstall the OS.  Now Nvendc doesn't work.  I didn't change any
> hardware.  Handbrake gives me an error now.   Today I tried again and
> clicked the button for the Activity window. Here's what was in it.
>
>
> OS: Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS
> HandBrake 1.7.3 (2023082100)
> Kernel: Linux 5.15.0-100-generic (x86_64)
> CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz x 4
> Install Dir: /usr/bin
> Config Dir:  /home/delboy/.config/ghb
> ___
>
> [13:40:34] Compile-time hardening features are enabled
> [13:40:34] nvenc: version 11.1 is available
> [13:40:34] nvdec: is not compiled into this build
> [13:40:34] CUDA Version: 3.5
> [13:40:34] vcn: not available on this system
> [13:40:34] qsv: not available on this system
> [13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
> [13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
> [13:40:34] hb_init: starting libhb thread
> [13:40:40] CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz
> [13:40:40]  - Intel microarchitecture Ivy Bridge
> [13:40:40]  - logical processor count: 4
> [13:40:40] Intel Quick Sync Video support: no
> [13:40:40] hb_scan: path=/home/delboy/a.mp4, title_index=0
> Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from '/home/delboy/a.mp4':
>Metadata:
>  major_brand : isom
>  minor_version   : 512
>  compatible_brands: isomiso2avc1mp41
>  encoder : Lavf58.76.100
>Duration: 00:00:16.58, start: 0.00, bitrate: 2144 kb/s
>Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Video: h264 (Main) (avc1 / 0x31637661),
> yuv420p(tv, bt709, progressive), 1920x1080 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1979
> kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 12800 tbn (default)
>  Metadata:
>handler_name: VideoHandler
>vendor_id   : [0][0][0][0]
>Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 48000 Hz,
> stereo, fltp, 161 kb/s (default)
>  Metadata:
>handler_name: SoundHandler
>vendor_id   : [0][0][0][0]
> [13:40:41] scan: decoding previews for title 1
> [13:40:41] scan: audio 0x1: aac, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=161200 Unknown
> (AAC LC, 2.0 ch, 161 kbps)
> [13:40:41] using container PAR 1:1
> [13:40:41] scan: 10 previews, 1920x1080, 25.000 fps, autocrop = 0/6/0/0,
> aspect 16:9, PAR 1:1, color profile: 1-1-1, chroma location: left
> [13:40:41] Title is likely interlaced or telecined (10 out of 10
> previews). You should do something about that.
> [13:40:41] libhb: scan thread found 1 valid title(s)
> [13:40:55] gtkgui: Custom Preset: /General/1080p 4:3
> [13:40:55] Starting work at: Sat Mar 30 13:40:55 2024
>
> [13:40:55] 1 job(s) to process
> [13:40:55] json job:
> {
>  "Audio": {
>  "AudioList": [
>  {
>  "Bitrate": 0,
>  "DRC": 0.0,
>  "Encoder": "copy:aac",
>  "Mixdown": "none",
>  "PresetEncoder": "copy",
>  "Quality": -3.0,
>  "Samplerate": 0,
>  "Track": 0
>  }
>  ],
>  "CopyMask": [
>  "copy:mp3",
>  "copy:aac",
>  "copy:ac3",
>  "copy:dts",
>  "copy:dtshd",
>  "copy:eac3",
>  "copy:flac",
>  "copy:truehd"
>  ],
>  "FallbackEncoder": "av_aac"
>  },
>  "Destination": {
>  "AlignAVStart": false,
>  "ChapterList": [
>  {
>  "Duration": {
>  "Hours": 0,
>  "Minutes": 0,
>  "Seconds": 16,
>  "Ticks": 1491840
>  },
>  "Name": ""
>  }
>  ],
>  "ChapterMarkers": false,
>  "File": "/home/delboy/desktop1/a.mkv",
>  "InlineParameterSets": false,
>  "Mux": "mkv",
>  "Options": {
>  "IpodAtom": false,
>  "Optimize": false
>  }
>  },
>  "Filters": {
>  "FilterList": [
>  {
>  "ID": 4,
>  "Settings": {
>  "block-height": "16",
>  "block-thresh": "40",
>  "block-width": "16",
>  "filter-mode": "2",
>  "mode": "3",
>  "motion-thresh": "1",
>  "spatial-metric": "2",
>  "spatial-thresh": "1"
>  }
>  },
>  {
>  "ID": 5,
>  "Settings": {
>  "mode": "7"
>  }
>  },
>  {
>  "ID": 10,
>  "Settings": {
>  "mode": 1
>

Re: Handbrake won't use nvenc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

What drivers are you running. Should be the nvidia proprietary drivers to
use nvenc

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 9:11 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
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> Recently I had to reinstall Kubuntu on this machine.  I didn't have a
> problem until I tried to use Handbrake.  It will no longer use nvenc.
> I tried it using ffmpeg using the command line. First I tred ffmpeg -i
> input.mp4 -vcodec h264 output.mp4.  That worked, but failed when I
> tried  ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -vcodec h264_nvenc output.mp4 and displayed
> the error message below. Before I had to reinstall, I was able to use
> nvenc when encoding using h264 in Handbrake.  Any idea how I can fix
> this? Thanks
>
> [h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91a7ae40] Cannot load libnvidia-encode.so.1
> [h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91a7ae40] The minimum required Nvidia driver for
> nvenc is 520.56.06 or newer
> [vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Error while opening encoder -
> maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height.
> [vf#0:0 @ 0x55dd91a913c0] Error sending frames to consumers: Operation
> not permitted
> [vf#0:0 @ 0x55dd91a913c0] Task finished with error code: -1 (Operation
> not permitted)
> [vf#0:0 @ 0x55dd91a913c0] Terminating thread with return code -1
> (Operation not permitted)
> [vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Could not open encoder before EOF
> [vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Task finished with error code:
> -22 (Invalid argument)
> [vost#0:0/h264_nvenc @ 0x55dd91aae5c0] Terminating thread with return
> code -22 (Invalid argument)
> [out#0/mp4 @ 0x55dd91c55240] Nothing was written into output file,
> because at least one of its streams received no packets.
> frame=0 fps=0.0 q=0.0 Lsize=   0KiB time=N/A bitrate=N/A speed=N/A
> [aac @ 0x55dd91bfa500] Qavg: 924.945
> Conversion failed!
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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

The closest modern card are going to be the RX 580's or 5500xt

Thise are in the 50-100 price range that the 710 is.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 4:58 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> The card I have now is a GeForce GT 710.  What Radeon card  would be
> equivalent to that?  I don't want to buy something that turns out to be
> slower.
> On 3/26/24 10:04, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous performance gains under
> vulkan.
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700
>>
>> >I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I would think
>> >that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.
>>
>> I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an NDA that Free
>> Software developers can't sign.
>>
>> >There are a lot
>> >of Nvidia users out there.
>>
>> Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
>> corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so they don't
>> care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.
>>
>> If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch from Nvidia to
>> Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest flakiness or
>> video artifacts.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Also amd flagship cards are getting tremendous performance gains under
vulkan.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024, 8:52 AM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
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> Jim via PLUG-discuss said on Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:58:34 -0700
>
> >I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I would think
> >that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later.
>
> I doubt it. They won't reveal the interface without an NDA that Free
> Software developers can't sign.
>
> >There are a lot
> >of Nvidia users out there.
>
> Nvidia doesn't care. They're in the top 6 worldwide richest
> corporations because of their leadership in AI chips, so they don't
> care about a few Linux people stuck with Nvidia hardware.
>
> If you can, I'd advise you to do what I did and switch from Nvidia to
> Radeon the minute your machine exhibits the slightest flakiness or
> video artifacts.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
>
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Re: Wayland on Kubuntu 22.04

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I am running Wayland on an arch derivative called Garuda Linux. It runs
really well but I have a desktop with dedicated amd graphics.

Previously on a Intel/Nvidia laptop with Optimus it worked fine until I
tried to flip flop graphics for gaming and ended up having to shut off the
Intel gpu and run full time nvidia gpu to make it work.

This was under Ubuntu or Garuda.

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> I have an Nvidia card. The computer has an Intel gpu.  I would think
> that Nvidia support should come along sooner or later. There are a lot
> of Nvidia users out there.  I read that about Plasma 6 not being
> included The article said people could upgrade to Plasma6.  I'll worry
> about it later.  Thanks.
>
> On 3/24/24 10:38, Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > On 3/23/24 10:17, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> I have Kubuntu 22.04.4 installed.  I wanted to try Wayland so I
> >> looked up how to try it.  I ended going to several sites that had
> >> instructions, but none worked. Is there any way to get  Wayland
> >> working on Kubuntu 22.04.4?
> >
> > Probably the best thing to do is wait until Kubuntu 24.04 is out next
> > month (April 25th, unless there are delays), and upgrade to it.
> > Kubuntu 24.04 will feature updated Mesa drivers (important for Wayland
> > support), the latest KDE Plasma 5 release (it won't ship with Plasma 6
> > sadly), and upgraded everything else to make the Wayland experience
> > better.
> >
> > It's also going to matter what graphic card you have. If you are using
> > an Nvidia card, then Wayland support is poor all around even with new
> > cards and updated drivers, no matter what. If you are using Intel or
> > AMD graphics, you will be fine,
> >
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Re: Upgrade attempt from Kubuntu 22.04 to 23.10

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

look at your PPA's and see if there is an update repo for them. you can
look at your ppa config to check them.

Anything that is not from canonical might need updated repo information.

On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:41 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
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> Today I tried upgrading from Kubuntu 22.04 to 23.10 using the following
> command:
>
> sudo do-release-upgrade
>
> It went through the motions then came up with the following error message:
>
> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
>
> This was likely caused by: * Unofficial software packages not provided by
> Ubuntu Please use the tool 'ppa-purge' from the ppa-purge package to remove
> software from a Launchpad PPA and try the upgrade again.
>
>
> I read up on ppa-purge and  gathered that it will uninstall a program that
> was installed via a purged ppa if there isn't an earlier version in one of
> the official Ubuntu repositories.
>
> How am I supposed to know what ppa to purge?  Am I supposed to go through
> them one at a time until the upgrade is successful?  I imagine a horror
> story of purging a bunch of programs, not remembering what they are then
> finding out over the next few weeks as I try to run a program only to find
> it's not there and figuring out how to reinstall it again.
>
> Or is there something I'm missing?
>
> thanks
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Re: new computer

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

On my current system I am running without swap, but I do have 32gb ram.

If you pick an ssd with a ram cache on it you don't have to worry about
swap as much there. And you can extend ssd life with underprovisioning if
it still is a concern. But in reality a good quality ssd Wil last for years
even with swap in place as long as you don't run near max storage.

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> To avoid swap wearing out your ssd, if you don't have an hd handy, you can
> set vm.swappiness to 0.  This is not great since paging is quite efficient
> these days, but sometimes you'll want swap for suspend operations and don't
> want to actually page unless you're under memory pressure.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 3:09 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Check out the latest batch of Intel-based N100 Mini PCs. They’re smaller
>> than MacMinis.
>>
>> I’d say a minimal configuration would be 32GB of RAM and 1TB (or 2TB) of
>> SSD. I’d say an N100 is minimal CPU.
>>
>> Some with AMD CPUs are cheaper as well.
>>
>> Here’s a search on Amazon:
>>
>> https://amzn.to/3woboP0
>>
>> They don’t sort very well; here’s the cheapest Linux box I found. There
>> are cheaper ones with Windows that you can delete.
>>
>> https://amzn.to/48wM5rv
>>
>> I’ve got a 2014 MacMini, a 2014 MBP, and a 2018 MacMini and they’re still
>> going strong. You can find late-model used Intel MacMinis for a few hundred
>> bucks that work great.
>>
>> Way back in the day, the all-in-one boxes used to have problems with a
>> serial port or the video going out and the whole thing would be dead. But
>> that doesn’t seem to happen much any more. I use my MacMinis daily and the
>> newer one runs the fan a lot when I’m watching videos, but other than that,
>> they’re still humming right along. I had one of the first gen iMacs and the
>> video card in it died shortly after the AppleCare expired. I ended up
>> selling it for $375 anyway. Today you can buy USB-3 and USB-C expansion
>> ports with one or more HDMI interfaces on them if the on-board video dies.
>>
>> Unless you need a super-high-power over-clocked water-cooled screaming
>> machine for gaming or bitcoin mining, I cannot see the value in building a
>> machine from scratch unless you’re trying to do it on the cheap using
>> recycled components. What’s the point?
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> I want a guy I know to put a computer together for me. I'm thinking a
>> single core (I don't think I need more processing power than that) with 8
>> gig of ram. I'm wanting to spend $3-$400. I'm an older guy now and won't
>> use it for much more than web and email. What should I tell him to put in
>> it?
>>
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Re: Looking for opinions on email providers

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Proton is pretty cool. and honestly, Gmail is pretty solid on its own. The
real trick is how you prefer to handle your email, if all you want is
imap/smtp then you are good to go with just about anyone.

You can look into providers such as Dreamhost, or even AWS free tier and
see if you can get what you need there.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 8:05 AM blake gonterman via PLUG-discuss <
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> Proton mail. Not the cheapest, but feature rich.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2024, 6:01 AM Matthew Crews via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/28/24 22:14, Steven via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > Apparently I am late to hearing this, but in the near future Cox will
>> > have Yahoo take over handling all "cox.net" email accounts. I've
>> > occasionally in the past looked at email providers but never felt much
>> > need to move. But as long as this is going to be happening anyway I
>> > figure it's time to look again. Does anyone have a preferred email
>> > provider? I made use of Cox formerly offering up to six email accounts
>> > on a single residential plan to set up an account for my sister, this
>> > account, and a couple others. Are there reasonably trustworthy
>> > providers that don't scan all your emails in order to push ads on you
>> > and that don't don't cost an arm and a leg?
>>
>> I've used Mailfence for a long time, and for the price (€42 a year, or
>> about US$45 a year depending on currency exchange rates) they are pretty
>> feature rich.
>>
>> -Custom Domain support (with catch-all email address)
>> -IMAP support (for using an email client)
>> -PGP Encryption support through the web client
>> -10GB storage for email
>> -Located in Belgium, strengthening privacy requirements (in theory).
>>
>> The only other paid services I would recommend are Tutanota or
>> Protonmail, but...
>>
>> -Tutanota does NOT support IMAP (and therefore does NOT support
>> downloading your email to an email client like Thunderbird)
>> -Protonmail is more expensive compared to all of the above, but their
>> security is unparalleled.
>>
>> If you need free email, and you need lots of storage space, then
>> unfortunately the only other reasonable solution is Gmail, and we know
>> why Gmail cannot be trusted.
>>
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Linux friendly audio/video devices

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I finally have made the full jump to Linux on my home system. I built a new
Desktop and am running Garuda Linux (Arch variant) quite happily.

I now need to replace some things that are built into Laptops. A couple of
things I am curious about are Linux-friendly HD audio and Webcam
recommendations. I have a Sony A7r2 but I cannot get it to play webcam
under Linux. My Mic is good, a Blue Snowball is doing what I need well.

I have a USB-C to 3.5mm TosLink to my soundbar, and so far it seems to be
the best sound/useability but not overly graceful.

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Re: Why put Data Centers in HOT Phoenix?

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Water tower evaporative cooling is super efficient in PHX due to the low
humidity (if not the best for the water table) and because of the location
and crazy reliable power grid (cheap too) and minimal weather/geological
events.

On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 11:14 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
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> While I'm not certain, I do think it has something to do with it the
> geology. Regarding temperature, everywhere is hot to a 60F data center ...
> The air is gonna get conditioned regardless, and the air is gonna get a
> treatment too. Anyone who's spent any measurable time in a data center
> knows "that smell" ... That carbon paper artificial smell ... But more
> over, "extreme" (excessive) heat is easier to deal with than rain, water,
> and humidity. Additionally, there are no faults, no quakes ... A lot of
> Flagstaff is still geologically active ... at least when compared to
> Phoenix. No tornados, no hurricanes ... Nothing. It's just hot. Hot is easy
> to plan for, and easy to predict, which insurance likes!
>
>
> --
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> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
>
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> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> verde valley would probably be better. not as hot as phoenix nor as cold
>> as flagstaff.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 8:54 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I get the labor pool is probably a draw.
>>>
>>> I've always wondered why companies want to build data centers in Phoenix
>>> given the extreme heat.
>>>
>>> Last year we had a month with daily highs of 116 degrees.  That means
>>> lots of A/C to cool down all that heat.
>>>
>>> I wonder why someplace cool like Flagstaff is not more attractive.  I've
>>> been there twice.  Once in October and it was freezing and once in May
>>> and the high of the day was 60 degrees.
>>>
>>> In a place like Flagstaff all that one would need to do is pull in the
>>> cool outside air and your center is cool.
>>>
>>> Seems like that would save a bunch of money.
>>>
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Re: Linux Basics

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I loved Gentoo, It was an amazing learning experience and taught me a ton
about how Linux worked and was put together. It also taught me what Linux
really was and what a distro was. and the difference.

I would not use it as a server or for my laptop/desktop. But I appreciated
what it did for me.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:32 AM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
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> I had the glorious opportunity to "fix" a Gentoo installation for a local
> company.  The business chose Gentoo because that's what the owner's 18 year
> old son knew, then the son didn't want to be daddy's tech support any
> more.  I inserted the CentOS installation DVD and fixed it.
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 11/29/2023 6:19 PM, z via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> You will know everything you should know about linux once you have
> installed gentoo once without assistance (but documentaton is OK), and then
> compiled chromium a single time. The compiling chromium part is the most
> important lesson.
>
> Nov 29, 2023 17:57:20 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>  :
>
> Hey I am trying to determine what I do not know about Linux (Ubuntu).
>
> I watched each of these videos by Networkchuck.  He covers a lot and if
> there is anyone wanting to build more Linux muscle, then I would recommend
> this series.  I found a few things that I did not know or that I might need
> to know more about.  He does not cover logs nor does he cover Linux
> networking.
>
> All in all I think it is a good set of videos for anyone wanting to level
> up that may be, like me, self taught, that may have some missing skills.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIhvC56v63IJIujb5cyE13oLuyORZpdkL
>
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Re: trouble with Debian install

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Check your bootloader and make sure there is no errant argument being sent
during boot?

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023, 4:20 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
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> Hello,
> My recent Debian install on a HP 840 EliteBook G1 is booting up upside
> down.  Anyone know how to fix this?
>   This happened before with Debian 11 and I found a command that fixed it
> permanently.  This is what I found yesterday:
> xrandr linux command man page
> 
>
> xrandr linux command man page
>
> A compilation of Linux man pages for all commands in HTML.
> 
>
>
>
> xrandr -o normal
> That command will get me by that session, but if I reboot and login again
> the splash screen and login in screen can and will be upside down.
> I had to add the sources.list part for the wifi card in using vi and
> upside down.  Try that sometime.
>
> SSD will not matter.
> thanks,
> Greg
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Re: PXE boot server

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A full desktop environment might be good for general giggles.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023, 2:11 PM Steve B via PLUG-discuss <
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> Recently acquired a HP 800 mini that I have setup and am using as a PXE
> boot server. At present I have Clonezilla and Parted Magic being served
> out. What other tools are others using that might be useful for a SOHO
> environment?
>
> I'm planning to shutdown my Raspberry Pi and move AdGuard over as well as
> installing Docker to run TrueCommand.
>
> These are the tools I use the most, and since the HP opens other
> possibilities thought I'd ask around for ideas.
>
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Re: RAM Upgrade is this the correct RAM?

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Dell is Very good at ram specs so you would need to check those. Lookup by
service tag will get you the needed info.

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> Hi,
>
> I have a 3 year old Dell that needs more memory.  The tag on the memory
> stick says 4GB 1Rx15 PV4 2666v-uco-11.
>
> The box has two slots and I want 32GB of RAM. Or 2 sticks of 16GB.
>
> I'd like to make the purchase at Newegg.
>
> Newegg says this is what I want  :  CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x
> 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 2666 (PC4 21300) Memory Kit Model
> CMK32GX4M2A2666C16  :
>
> https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820233853?Item=N82E16820233853&SoldByNewegg=1
>
> Do you agree?
>
> Thank You So Much!!
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Re: Server CPU

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VCPU is the other half of hyperthreading/smt

Rhe route I have gone is a used cpu board combination there are tons of
them on ebay and they are a single epyc but combined less than 300. And the
core density is amazing.

The again.
NEW  AMD Epyc 7551 32-Core 64-Thread 2.0GHz CPU Retail Box NO VENDOR Lock
for 99 bux. That's worth it.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 5:17 PM Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <
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> That's right, a vCPU is a shared resource.
>
> Lets say that you had a machine with 4 cores on it. To the operating
> system, other than some nuances with the cache, PCI connections, etc., each
> core is effectively its own CPU, and therefore we'll say the machine has a
> total of 4 CPUs. Now, just becuase it has 4 CPUs doesn't mean that you can
> only run 4 programs at a time; you can run hundreds or thousands of
> programs at the time time, and the operating system will schedule those to
> run on the CPUs. Each program will get some CPU time, more so if other
> processes aren't doing much.
>
> Now, think of each vCPU as a process running on the host machine. The host
> machine will time share those vCPUs across the actual CPUs just like any
> other process running on the machine. But, within the virtual environment,
> it is seen as a real CPU to the guest operating system, and it will
> schedule programs to run on that CPU accordingly.
>
> So, you effectively have two layers of scheduling happening.
>
> There's not necessarily a limit on the number of vCPUs, just as there's
> not necessarily a limit on the number of processes that you can run. Yes
> there are technical limits on the number of processes that can be run, but
> that's an operating system limitation.
>
> Now, you can assign a vCPU to have exclusive use of a CPU on the host
> system, however unless you have some critical application where that's an
> absolute must, it's really not necessary; you're just slowing down every
> other process on that machine as they're no longer able to use that CPU
> when nothing else is using it.
>
> Now, if your machine is super busy and you have virtual machines competing
> for time, then you have what's called "steal time" or "CPU Steal", which is
> the amount of time a vCPU waits for control of a real CPU; you can read
> about that here:
> https://blog.appsignal.com/2021/09/15/cpu-steal-time-a-crucial-metric-for-cloud-servers-and-vms.html.
> But if that becomes a problem, you're overloading your system and it
> doesn't really matter how many threads your host system has.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, at 12:59 PM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>
> On 2023-07-20 10:55, Ryan Petris wrote:
> > The CPU's cheap because it's old and no one wants them anymore -- it's
> > of the same generation as 6000 series intel processors (i.e. skylake).
> > It also uses a server socket, so the only motherboards you're going to
> > be able to find are server motherboards. Those are going to be
> > expensive and/or have other quirks, such as requiring a vendor
> > specific heatsink, or a vendor-specific power supply, or take 5
> > minutes to start up, etc.
> >
> > You'd be better off spending money on a last-gen cpu and motherboard,
> > for instance here's a combination that is relatively cheap:
> >
> > $174 for an i5-12400, which according to cpubenchmark.net is nearly
> > 30% faster than the Xeon you linked (score of 19501 vs 15146, much
> > faster single-core score as well):
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-12400-Desktop-Processor-Cache/dp/B09NMPD8V2/
> >
> > $139 for a compatible motherboard:
> > https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B760M-DS3H-AX-Motherboard/dp/B0BSP61QZC/
> >
> > I also wouldn't pay so much attention to the number of "threads" you
> > think you'll need; you can run many VMs with a total number of virtual
> > processors that is much more than what you actually have, and as long
> > as you're not trying to go whole hog on every machine at the same time
> > you'll be fine, and even if you do, you'll still be better off with a
> > faster processor with a few fewer threads than an older slower cpu
> > with more.
>
> ---
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> Several months ago I did some research on what a vCPU is.  I could not
> find an exact answer.  What I came away thinking was a vCPU is equal to
> a thread.  From what you are saying it sounds like a vCPU is a shared
> resource, so there may be more vCPUs than actual threads?  Is there a
> way I can determine the number of vCPUs a CPU will provide?
>
>
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> >
> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I was surfing the Inter Web when I happened upon a Xeon server CPU.
> >> It
> >>
> >> is marked at $32.49 at Newegg.  It has 12 cores and 24 threads and
> >> has a
> >>
> >> good benchmark score.
> >>
> >>
> >
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+Silver+4116+%40+2.10GHz&id=3179
> >>
> >> https://www.newegg.com/p/274-000A-007K2?Description=Xeon
> >>
> >> In the future at some point I would lik

Re: Server CPU

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

the downside for these processors is their mainboards are still very pricy
to buy. much more than the CPU itself. you are almost better off looking
for and buying a refurbished server which you can get for almost
ludicrously inexpensive prices.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 1:56 PM Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> The CPU's cheap because it's old and no one wants them anymore -- it's of
> the same generation as 6000 series intel processors (i.e. skylake). It also
> uses a server socket, so the only motherboards you're going to be able to
> find are server motherboards. Those are going to be expensive and/or have
> other quirks, such as requiring a vendor specific heatsink, or a
> vendor-specific power supply, or take 5 minutes to start up, etc.
>
> You'd be better off spending money on a last-gen cpu and motherboard, for
> instance here's a combination that is relatively cheap:
>
> $174 for an i5-12400, which according to cpubenchmark.net is nearly 30%
> faster than the Xeon you linked (score of 19501 vs 15146, much faster
> single-core score as well):
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-12400-Desktop-Processor-Cache/dp/B09NMPD8V2/
>
> $139 for a compatible motherboard:
> https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B760M-DS3H-AX-Motherboard/dp/B0BSP61QZC/
>
> I also wouldn't pay so much attention to the number of "threads" you think
> you'll need; you can run many VMs with a total number of virtual processors
> that is much more than what you actually have, and as long as you're not
> trying to go whole hog on every machine at the same time you'll be fine,
> and even if you do, you'll still be better off with a faster processor with
> a few fewer threads than an older slower cpu with more.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I was surfing the Inter Web when I happened upon a Xeon server CPU.  It
> is marked at $32.49 at Newegg.  It has 12 cores and 24 threads and has a
> good benchmark score.
>
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+Silver+4116+%40+2.10GHz&id=3179
>
> https://www.newegg.com/p/274-000A-007K2?Description=Xeon
>
> In the future at some point I would like to build something with 20 plus
> or minus cores and 40 threads more or less for Proxmox.  This would be
> over kills because I only need 1 or 2 VMs active at one time... maybe 3
> in an extreme situation.
>
> This 12 core/24 thread CPU with 64Gb of Ram and a 1Tb SSD would really
> be more resources than I would ever need.  Off the top of my head this
> means I might be able to build a decent Proxmox server for $500 - $600.
>
> I do not need fancy video except for one VM that might be running Win 10
> or 11...  I assume a server grade CPU would handle Win 10 and 11?
>
> Am I on the right track?
>
> Thank You For Your Feedback!!
>
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Re: kernel panic on a debian machine...

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Spin Right is a good option to raw read data and reconstruct it someplace

https://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 1:01 PM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
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> boot to livecd, either fix or transfer data.  that's how i do it when
> something goes horribly wrong
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:00 AM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
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>> Hello,
>>   About a year ago I had for the first time a kernel panic error on my
>> Debian 10 machine.  I didn't know how or
>> have time to try and recover the OS.  I chose to install a Debian 11 on a
>> new drive.  That one is giving me some trouble as well
>> now.
>> Is there a poor mans way to recover the data or recover the OS?  Just
>> point
>> me in the right direction.
>> thanks,
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Re: I'm looking for a good shared hosting web host

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n-distopian Terms of Service
> * Ability to run server side scripts (Perl etc)
> * Ability to serve https
> * Ability to serve multiple domain names with one contract
> * Good mailing list software that doesn't throttle too much
>
> I prioritize the preceding over price. Price is a secondary concern.
>
> I used Bluehost in the past, but found them not good enough, so I'm
> hoping for somebody better than Bluehost.
>
> If anyone knows of any good web hosts, please let me know.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
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Re: r u familiar with Docker?

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Docker is not a true VM. And to Mike's point it has a very tight network
layer to keep the containers from pooping on each other.

If you want a visual, portainer was a Handy tool for this.

There is some really solid docker documentation out there and walk
throughs.


On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:33 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
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> As a "network guy", i.e. someone operating at layer 1-4 mostly, I would
> say you need to understand networking first.  So few developers and system
> folk do, and thus struggle in today's day and age around basic networking
> functions in a cloud world.  It's some basic tradition of "when a packet in
> a pocket hits a socket" like a childhood rhyme that goes unheard, and
> really should if you call yourself a self-respecting developer today or the
> past 20 years.
>
> Understanding basic Layer 1-7 of the network OSI model is the key.
>
> Docker relies heavily on NAT and IP routing between systems.  Even
> installing a typical web/app/db stack requires local socket interaction
> between devices using the same networking - perhaps start with this first
> and understand local socket connections to 127.0.0.1 first.  Then move into
> docker and IProute2 namespace separation with Docker and like
> technologies.  If you understand how a firewall works, this isn't that much
> more complex.
>
> Keeping a consistent control plane between applications (again web/app/db)
> and basic ip reachability isn't too hard when you understand vlans and
> networking, maybe extending into overlay tech like Zerotier and Tailscale
> for apps to talk to each other, securely, and across
> clouds/networks/domains in general.
>
> I could give a whole "In the beginning.." speech, but best you simply
> learn some networking first.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 3:19 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Right now I just want to be able to run my web app on my phone and have
>> it access my back-end service remotely.
>>
>> I’m just having a challenge getting that "signal chain” set up and
>> working. I know what it’s supposed to be in theory; it’s just not as easy
>> as plugging a wire between a couple of sockets.
>>
>> Docker is optional.
>>
>> How can I do something like a "signal trace” in Windows?
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> Docker should be an inside to outside port mapping for your application.
>> The outside port maps needs to reflect your firewall, load balancer, or
>> whatever forwards traffic to it as the destination.
>>
>> [internet]-[firewall]-[host]-[docker] - you want to thread the needle of
>> ports.  This to That.
>>
>> If you don't want public facing ports for security reasons, vpn like
>> openvpn or an overlay like zerotier/tailscale is recommended.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 2:03 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m looking for someone familiar with Docker who can help me out a
>>> little bit.
>>>
>>> I’m working on an app with a REST-based web service that I’ve been
>>> building inside of a VM (VirtualBox) running Win 10. I’m having trouble
>>> getting the service part working on a remote server, and someone suggested
>>> using Docker to isolate it and get it running inside of the VM first, then
>>> copy it to the remote server. The remote server is also Windows based,
>>> obviously.
>>>
>>> I’m having trouble getting all of the IPs and ports and holes in the
>>> firewall aligned so I can reach it from outside the server.
>>>
>>> Right now I probably don’t _need_ Docker, although it could be helpful
>>> at some point when I’ll need to scale-up, so I’m not even really committed
>>> to using it other than it might be easier to set it up inside of the VM and
>>> make everything work there first.
>>>
>>> (As much as I’d like to build the service to run on Linux, one of the
>>> libraries I’m using is not set up for Linux yet, so it’s not an option at
>>> this time. The vendor says they might support Linux at some point in the
>>> future.)
>>>
>>> Anyway, I’m just looking to see if anybody might be able to help me get
>>> my service code running on a remote Windows server that’s accessible from
>>> elsewhere. (The code itself runs on the server, I just can’t reach it from
>>> the outside, which is the whole point of having it there.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -David Schwartz
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: https://simple-help.com/guides

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never heard of it, their pricing is insane.

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 4:37 PM greg zegan via PLUG-discuss <
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> https://simple-help.com/guides
>
> Hello,
>   Has anyone heard of this system and if so what do you think of it?
> thanks,
> Greg
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Re: Need Some Help Configuring OpenVPN

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https://openvpn.net/community-resources/how-to/ seems to think that the
client files are up to user discretion, the only part that requires
/etc/openvpn access is the config files, and that client files are called
when you spin up the OpenVPN client.

On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:47 AM Mark Phillips via PLUG-discuss <
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> I know there are a lot of articles about configuring OpenVPN on the
> Internet, but I am having trouble finding one that fits my situation. I
> believe I have all the pieces, just not sure how to put them all together.
>
> I have a Ubuntu 22.04 laptop connected to my local network with OpenVPN
> installed. I have another Ubuntu 22.04 server on the same network. When I
> travel, I would like to access the server over ssh. My router has OpenVPN
> installed by default, so that seems to be a good solution. I downloaded the
> preconfigured client .ovpn file from the router.
>
> 1. I believe the client.ovpn file goes into /etc/openvpn/clients - correct?
> The client file has this configuration, and then a lot of certificates:
> client
> dev tun
> proto udp
> remote x.hopto.org y  #
> resolv-retry infinite
> nobind
> persist-key
> persist-tun
> I use Cox as my Internet provider, so the remote x.hopto.org y should
> take care of my changing IP from Cox. Is that correct? I have an account
> with no-ip to track my changing IP from Cox.
> Should proto also have TCP?
> What should I call this file? Is it enabled by default since it is in the
> clients folder?
>
> 2. Do I need to set up any special routes on my router to get from the
> outside to my server on port 22 for ssh?
>
> 3. In the gnome settings panel there is a VPN drop down under networking.
> Do I have to do anything with that?
>
> 4. What command do I use to connect to my server using the vpn? I don't
> want to use the VPN when I am on my network at home, just when I travel.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
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Re: computer recomendations

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i absolutely +1 refurbished machines, amazon has a great selection of them
as well.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:48 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> Look at this  :  https://deals.dell.com/en-us/productdetail/gd1e
>
> It is a monster!!  16 Cores, 24 Threads.  I'd double the RAM and make it
> into a virtualization box.  Look at the Bench Mark  :
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-13700&id=4992
>
> Yikes!!
>
>
>
>
> On 2023-04-18 08:44, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I  got a buddy who needs a new computer. He is retired so only needs
> > something for the internet. I am suggesting a chromebook but don't
> > know what specs he should look for. What do you guys think?
> >
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Re: Docker

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I have used RHEL, Ubuntu (Preferred), and Amazon Linux (RHEL/Cent related)

Docker doesn't care too much, choose the Distro you trust and go from there.

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> I"m looking to dip my toes into Docker for use on my home network. Reading
> up on what to consider for running atop the bare metal it seems like two of
> the most mentioned have been discontinued - CoreOS and RancherOS, and
> Atomic supposedly is not quite ready for production. At least according to
> some articles.
>
> What are others using to host their Docker containers on their home
> networks?
>
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Re: suggestions to add REST API to MySQL / MariaDB tables

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Are you talking about windows user authentication or just it all happens to
live there?

Take a look at nextcloud and some of its modules the nature of it being
open source might help with code ideas. And it is php.

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> I'm not sure I'm understanding the question, but your application server
> can talk to the SQL server using python SQLAlchemy. If your web application
> is a python flask application, that process could be easy. I'm not sure
> what steps are needed to configure your MySQL server to be accessible
> online, but there should be no reason you need a particular kind of server
> or service as long as the host machine has access to enough bandwidth and
> is properly maintained. I suppose network security should also be concerned.
>
> Feb 24, 2023 07:34:37 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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>
> I’m
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Re: round down to the nearest penny

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Google found this.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/ROUNDDOWN

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 8:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> how do I get libre calc to round down to the nearest penny? all my
> googling has shown is rounding down to the nearest whole integer.
>
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Re:

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Kali should have the ability to install to a USB device and run as a
portable installation (Much like the live installer with persistence)
without the limit of running from Readonly media.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:52 PM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Not when you're live, no.
>
> The whole OS is essentially loaded into RAM, updating things requires
> things to be written to disk.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023, 06:19 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I was looking at the output of an upgrade of an iso file (I know it is
>> not not supposed to work but it does with kali when you have persistence)
>> when I encountered this:
>>
>> Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.142) ...
>> I: update-initramfs is disabled (live system is running on read-only
>> media).
>>
>> Is there a way to enable it?
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Re: I'm in the market for a modem router

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In my experience the nighthawks are great, but they tend to get weird when
you push them to GB internet speeds I have had two with this issue.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 8:17 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
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> Probably a Netgear Nighthawk. I've had at least one, maybe two over the
> years.
>
> It's one of those "modem/router/switch/wi-fi" all-in-one things, so if
> that's your jam, I would suggest checking it out.
>
> https://a.co/d/0YcT9C9
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 17:04 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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>
>> What's the best bang for the buck?
>>
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Re: The Precisionists Inc

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The real change was when we started gearing our education system for
factory work, that's when ADD started to be a societal detriment.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 10:57 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
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> trent shipley via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 25 Jan 2023 09:29:18 -0700
>
> >(I'm autistic, bipolar, and attention deficit disordered).
>
> When they gave my son a 12 question test for ADD, I (mentally) answered
> 8 of the 12 such that I'd have been diagnosed ADD if the test had been
> given to me. A lot of people have said I have a short and glitchy
> attention span.
>
> I compensate by using outlines and todo lists for everything. I don't
> read boring stuff unless it's absolutely necessary. I never read
> textbooks because textbooks are designed specifically to be confusing,
> thereby justifying the requirement of a teacher. For Dummies books and
> Khan Academy are excellent learning resources that don't require an
> undue amount of attention.
>
> I have no idea whether the compensations I use would be helpful for
> you, but just in case, I've mentioned them.
>
> This paragraph is my opinion. Homo Sapiens is about 300,000 years old,
> and for all but the last 10,000 years, ADD was a pro-survival trait. If
> you're hunting an antelope and so is a lion, and a different tribe of
> Homo Sapiens is in the area, you'd better be able to pay attention to
> all three or you'd be somebody's lunch. Focusing on one thing at a time
> was a bad idea until 10K years ago. I went to grade school in the
> 1950's, before they had drugs for ADD, and at least half the boys in
> the class had behavior consistent with ADD. Teachers back then used
> teaching and discipline techniques to compensate, and over the years
> most of those boys found ways to compensate. This widespread modern
> idea that ADD is some sort of horrible thing really pisses me off and I
> take it personally.
>
> Like I said, what I've said in this email might not apply to you, but
> then again, it might be something to consider.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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Re: make live disk with a larger root partition

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My google Fu shows me this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-CbuxlQho
And this seems handy and relevant.
https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/how-to/install-kali-live-usb-drive-with-persistence-optional-0162253/

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 9:11 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> okay; what I want to do is to create a live pen drive on a 64 gb drive
> with 32GB dedicated to the root partition and the rest going to /home .
> I want to put kali on it (my new toy) and I want to leave room to install
> additional packages. I already tried to install another program on it but
> ran out of room. Kali on the pen drive is something like 20 GB
> I googled 'pen drive dedicated root'' If someone could just let me know
> what search terms to use I can take it from there.
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Re: TDD w/ Python, ch 9

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Dreamhost might work for you. they have some advanced python options and
their dream compute option may be viable for you.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 9:53 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss <
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> I'm on the bench with my employer asd studying test driven development
> using Harry Precival's Test-Driven Development with Python.  Percival uses
> a simple web site on Django as the practice or example project.  In chapter
> 9 the baby website gets put on a real hosted web server.  It needs to be an
> olde fashioned service where you have the freedom to do a lot of admin
> work.  That is, you need to have enough rope to hang yourself.  I also need
> a domain name and  two sub-domain names.  Price is important.  I will
> probably finish the tutorial book and throw the site away instead of
> keeping it as a personal website.
>
> Has anyone got any suggestions for where to get a domain name and a
> hosting service?
>
>
> Trent
>
>
>
>
> *Choosing Where to Host Our Site*
>
> There are loads of different solutions out there these days, but they
> broadly fall into two camps:
>
>
>- Running your own (possibly virtual) server
>- Using a Platform-As-A-Service (PaaS) offering like Heroku,
>OpenShift, or PythonAnywhere
>
>
> Particularly for small sites, a PaaS offers a lot of advantages, and I
> would definitely recommend looking into them. We’re not going to use a PaaS
> in this book however, for several reasons. Firstly, I have a conflict of
> interest, in that I think PythonAnywhere is the best, but then again I
> would say that because I work there. Secondly, all the PaaS offerings are
> quite different, and the procedures to deploy to each vary a lot — learning
> about one doesn’t necessarily tell you about the others. Any one of them
> might radically change their process or business model by the time you get
> to read this book.
>
> Instead, we’ll learn just a tiny bit of good old-fashioned server admin,
> including SSH and web server config. They’re unlikely to ever go away, and
> knowing a bit about them will get you some respect from all the grizzled
> dinosaurs out there.
>
> What I have done is to try to set up a server in such a way that’s a bit
> like the environment you get from a PaaS, so you should be able to apply
> the lessons
>
> Percival, Harry. Test-Driven Development with Python (pp. 263-264).
> O'Reilly Media. Kindle Edition.   (2017)
>
> Or free at: https://www.obeythetestinggoat.com/pages/book.html
>
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Re: What's the deal? cookies think my language isn't English

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I would suspect less gmail hacked and someone dinking with cookies or a
plugin getting out out of sorts.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 12:19 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
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> twice this has happened to me (that I can remember) where I start gmail
> and it asks  me to sign in again. I have no problem with that but when I do
> it sends me to sign into chrome (not gmail) again AND cookies seem to think
> I'm in another country. the first time the language it was set to was
> french and most recently israeli. Was gmail hacked? Should I change my
> password?
>
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Supermicro IPMI BIOS update

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This may make some Supermicro folks happy.

From
https://peterkleissner.com/2018/05/27/reverse-engineering-supermicro-ipmi/

echo -n 'MAc-Addr-here' | xxd -r -p | openssl dgst -sha1 -mac HMAC -macopt
hexkey:8544E3B47ECA58F9583043F8 | awk '{print $2}' | cut -c 1-24

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Re: usb marked as read-only

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I know some USB devices when they reach a critical fault level will go
read-only when there are no longer any write cycles that can be safely
applied. like SSD's But I haven ever run into it to verify.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 2:23 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> creating persistence means I want to use the drive as if it were the main
> drive.
> The verbose flag is a big v? I tried the little v!
> sudo fsck -V $usb
>[sudo] password for michael:
>fsck from util-linux 2.37.2
> Same thing.
>sudo fsck -Vf /dev/sdb ; echo $?
>fsck from util-linux 2.37.2
>0
> I think the zero means there is nothing wrong with the drive.
>
> "You don't say what you booted on - the USB drive?  And what device is
> that?"
> What do you mean? I'm trying to run thOS from the pen drive? THe device is
> /dev/sdb?
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 2:00 PM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I think it is probably too early to say if you need a new drive, and I
>> don't know what you mean by 'create persistence', but I'll stick my foot
>> in my mouth and ask a few questions.
>>
>> You don't say what you booted on - the USB drive?  And what device is
>> that?
>>
>> When you run fsck, I suggest you use the -V option (verbose). Also, what
>> is the return code from fsck? that is:
>>
>> sudo fsck -Vf /dev/sdb ; echo $?
>>
>> what number is the last thing before your next prompt?
>>
>> Did you boot from device /dev/sda?  Is anything mounted from /dev/sdb?
>> (e.g. what does 'df -h' say (as one option))
>>
>> Finally, it is safer to do the fdisk commands manually and not use the
>> 'printf' trick.  This works for me on all my systems:
>>
>> echo $usb ; sudo fdisk $usb
>>
>> (then I enter the commands to fdisk to create a new partition, or
>> whatever)
>>
>> Oh, the very first thing I should have asked is, what does 'ls -l
>> /dev/sdb' say?
>>
>> On 1/16/23 11:34, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > maybe that is why it ran out of space?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 12:06 PM Michael  wrote:
>> >
>> >> HI. On my Kali Live USB drive I am trying to create persistence. I did
>> it
>> >> once but then something happened (it ran out of space when I tried to
>> >> install snort) so I started over. But when I tried tpo create
>> persistence I
>> >> got the read-only error. YOu know in my search to get it out of
>> read-only I
>> >> discovered that it might mean my file system is corrupted.. But when I
>> ran
>> >> $ sudo fsck -f /dev/sdb
>> >> it just responded
>> >> fsck from util-linux 2.37.2
>> >> then when I attempted to follow the directions (that worked before:
>> >> sudo fdisk $usb <<< $(printf "n\np\n\n\n\nw")
>> >> Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.37.2).
>> >> Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them.
>> >> Be careful before using the write command.
>> >> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdb: Read-only file system
>> >> I'm thinking I need a new drive. Anything the gurus know that would be
>> >> beneficial before I spend the money on a new drive??
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>> >
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Re: cidr notation

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This is my fav tool for when I am too smoothbrained to do the CDIR in my
head. https://www.subnet-calculator.com/cidr.php

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 3:14 PM Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hmm.  I was momentarily confused.
>
> 10.* is class A, which means all 24 bits after the first octet 'matter'
> and are controlled by whoever controls your network IP addresses.
>
> Which means that your network is 10.x.x.x, or 10.0.0.0/8, since all
> computers on your (non-subnetted) network will have their first octet
> equal to 10.
>
> I was originally confused, but then I went and researched and the above
> statement should be totally accurate (assuming you read it as I
> intended! ;-)
>
> The above explanation is null and void if you have subnetted your
> network ;-)
>
> (See http://superuser.com/questions/1464492/ddg#1464517 for more
> explanation of the / notation)
>
> On 1/15/23 07:44, Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > No.
> >
> > Of you're trying to specify a whole network you would type "10.0.0.0/8",
> > which would cover everything in "10.x.x.x" ... whereas "10.0.0.0/24"
> would
> > cover everything in "10.0.0.x"
> >
> > Unless you've intentionally segmented your network, you're probably just
> > running a /24, which is relatively normal, meaning everything in your
> > network is "10.0.0.x"
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alexander
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 07:35 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I just installed snort ( or at least it is in process)  and it is asking
> >> me about  the address range of the network. So I ran ifconfig and see
> that
> >> it is on the 10 network. I know  I could put any numbers in there but I
> >> want to understand I'm thinking I will put 10.0.0.2/8. Will that
> >> work? Why will it or not work.
> >>
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Re: Software Portfolio

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We used a similar process to weed out Support candidates. its amazing how
many could not even with an Open internet test. Mainly I didn't care if
they got it 100% I wanted to see the process they went through. did they
google an error. did they look for similar issues etc.


On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 2:49 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
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> Sorry, but this would prevent most people who work for big corporations
> from ever getting hired.
>
> It might work for smaller companies trying to sift through a bunch of
> applicants and they need a way to get a little more insight into their
> abilities.
>
> I’ve always been amazed at the off-hours interestes of other devs where
> I’ve worked. They seem to go in one of two directions:
>
> 1) they spend time off-hours working on stuff they enjoy that’s unrelated
> to their job; or
>
> 2) they leave the programming at work and  prefer spending time on totally
> different things.
>
> I’ve met a few folks who like plaing with open-source projects, but none
> of them ever said they thought it made a difference in terms of getting a
> job.
>
> Keep in mind, these are big engineering companies, not small shops that do
> things like build websites. Graphic artists have “portfolios”. Programmers
> have “knowledge”. Code embodies knowledge, but doesn’t always reflect it.
> Most of what you’ll see is how the organize their code, what their coding
> style might be like, what they comment and don’t comment, and if you’re
> good enough to recognize different design patterns in the code then you can
> get some idea of how they think. If you run the software, maybe you can see
> their UI skills.
>
> However, the chances of what you’re looking at having any relevance to the
> job at hand is not very good, based on my experience on both sides of the
> hiring fence.
>
> Reading code is a slow tedious process that leaves more questions than
> answers. I want to know how you think and solve problems.
>
> I was working at a place as a contractor and we had to hire four more
> people on the team. Someone arranged for a headhunter, and he showed up one
> day with an 18” pile of resumes. After about the first dozen or so they all
> started to look the same. The two other colleagues working with me bugged
> off and refused to waste their time. What do you do in that case?
>
> We decided to write up a short questionaire with four questions that gave
> us a lot of insight into their understanding of some problems we were
> dealing with in our code. We had the headhunter send it out and asked them
> to answer to the best of their ability and return it. (Only about half did,
> which was really helpful.) We weren’t looking for anybody to answer all
> four like it was a Master’s Thesis. We just wanted to filter out those who
> had such a limited knowledge of what we were doing that we didn’t have to
> even waste our time interviewing them. From that perspective, looking at
> code on github is far more time-intensive than scanning a resume and four
> more detailed tech questions that applied very closely to our project.
>
> If someone at a prospective employer has time to waste going through my
> github code looking to be impressed, I don’t want to work there because
> their priorities are messed-up. I can get what I need just talking with
> you.
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:46 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> I will be brutally honest. When I review what someone has done the resume
> is less impressive than the work done when it comes to software.
>
> Anything you can opensource and share with the public do so. make a
> website that is based on the same domain as the same email you submit
> resume's on. link any working demos you may have. link your projects via
> git so they can look at what you make.
>
> Keep a project journal someplace and make that available.
>
> You can be the best dev in the world. but unless you can show off what you
> do nobody will have an idea.
>
> Resume's are for headhunters mostly. they look for buzzwords and
> consistent work. as well as references.
>
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Re: Software Portfolio

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Indeed. the best way do build this is if you have a function that irks you,
build it, refine it, document it, and then share it.

and happy hunting.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 11:56 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> That is what I had strongly suspected -- especially if you don't have much
> experience or you didn't just graduate from a top program.  I think I'm
> getting to the point where I can do more than just little training and test
> exercises, so it's time to devote some effort to some demonstrable product,
> even if I were to get an entry level position in the field which satisfied
> me for a while.  (It looks like I might get something soon as a Python web
> developer ... which would be a step up from writing automated UI tests in
> VBScript.)
>
>
> Trent
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 9:47 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I will be brutally honest. When I review what someone has done the resume
>> is less impressive than the work done when it comes to software.
>>
>> Anything you can opensource and share with the public do so. make a
>> website that is based on the same domain as the same email you submit
>> resume's on. link any working demos you may have. link your projects via
>> git so they can look at what you make.
>>
>> Keep a project journal someplace and make that available.
>>
>> You can be the best dev in the world. but unless you can show off what
>> you do nobody will have an idea.
>>
>> Resume's are for headhunters mostly. they look for buzzwords and
>> consistent work. as well as references.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 3:53 PM Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Some thoughts that may help (in addition to the good advice from Keith,
>>> Steve, and David).
>>> 1. Working on some open source software in Github is a good place to
>>> build a "here is what I have done" portfolio.  Github has pretty good
>>> public analytics showing all your public commits and pull requests, as well
>>> as issues, reviews, etc... I've used github history to understand
>>> engineering skill, practice, and approach for both candidates and coworkers.
>>> 2. What to work on depends a lot on what you find interesting.  If you
>>> want to work on Java or other JVM languages (e.g. Scala), I can probably
>>> make some suggestions (ping me off-list for detail) for open source
>>> projects to work on; if you can be patient I might be able to provide some
>>> *light* guidance on some of those.
>>> 3. The extreme majority of companies are terrible at interviewing.  It's
>>> not entirely you that's bad at interviews; the company is probably about as
>>> competent interviewing software engineers as the average garden slug.
>>> 4. You can try an approach I've seen some people have good results
>>> with.  A number of companies have started using things like HackerRank to
>>> (foolishly in my opinion) "test" potential hires.  It's relatively simple
>>> to work through the "challenges" and "tutorials" on that site if you have
>>> time.  Completing the majority of those both makes it simple to pass these
>>> "test" interviews (whether you know how to design software or not), and can
>>> also produce a large visibility boost if you want to find work with one of
>>> the companies that use the service for hiring.
>>>
>>> Side note (OT and rant, skip if not interested in curmudgeonly rants).
>>> Using canned "code challenges" as a pass-fail "test" is about the
>>> stupidest way to vet software professionals ever.  High quality engineers
>>> are not faster programmers (and make no mistake, HackerRank is mostly based
>>> on "get the 'correct' solution fast").  High quality engineers produce
>>> designs that meet requirements better, are more secure, perform better, are
>>> more reliable, and/or cost less to maintain and operate.  The fact is that
>>> people interviewing engineers don't know how to evaluate engineering skill
>>> so they fall back to "objective" tests, and end up filtering *out* the very
>>> people they want.
>>> I want to be clear, asking a coding problem isn't bad; provided the goal
>>> is to listen and observe problem solving, however, not get a "right"
&g

Re: Software Portfolio

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

tions
> along
> > the way.  During that time I complimented my degrees, which included a
> math
> > major, with an MS in Information Management (really IT management) and a
> > certificate in programming from Rio Salado, a couple years programming
> > software tests in VBS for Micro Focus UFT One--which ceased to be very
> > challenging by the end of two years. Recently, I did a pre-apprenticeship
> > program with a local company with a software developer apprenticeship
> > program (TechOne IT)  which basically worked out to a slow-paced virtual
> > boot camp in anticipation of an initial contingent
> placement/apprenticeship
> > proper.
> >
> > Right now my current employer (The Precisionists Inc)--which is
> specialized
> > in semi-supported contingent employment for autistic, neurodiverse, and
> > other disabled people (in that order) has me on the bench, but I'm close
> to
> > getting a new position as a Python web developer ... for which, I could
> be
> > more unqualified, but not much.
> >
> > After lackluster success with the equivalent of more than an AS in CIS
> > specializing in programming.  I have concluded I face a few obstacles.
> >
> > 1.  I'm autistic, so I can't interview worth a damn.
> > 2.a. There is a tremendous shortage of doctors and nurses, but no one is
> > going to hire one who hasn't graduated from an accredited program, done
> an
> > internship successfully, and passed their credentialing exam ... unless
> > it's as a drug salesperson.
> > 2.b.  There is a tremendous shortage of software writers, but no one is
> > going to be studpid enough to hire one until they have completed an
> > accredited degree, done an internship, done a bootcamp, and maybe gotten
> > some certs.  I've only done the first.
> >
> > I've been looking at maybe putting together a "software portfolio".
> >
> > The stuff on the internet is focused on web-developer portfolio and seems
> > to be really describing a visually appealing website which is partware
> > between a resume and CV, but much closer to a friendlier more personable
> > website--which to pay to have made since you aren't a web designer.
> >
> > I was thinking more, "this is my public GitHub account and this is
> software
> > I've written."
> >
> > Between school and the recent quasi-bootcamp, I should know Java well
> > enough to write something useful in it.
> >
> > I'm partway through a Scala basics book, and I love it sooo much.
> >
> > I'd like to write more than just toys, maybe starting with little
> > utility-like things (but all the good ones seem to have been done) or by
> > doing maintenance or little chores on a Java- or Scala-based open source
> > project, which raises the question of how to find a not-dead project I
> fit
> > well with and which can use my not-MIT grade talent and knowledge.
> >
> > I'd  really like advice on how to put together a public software
> portfolio
> > which is also of practical use (well, of some kind of use to others, even
> > if not terribly practical.)
> >
> >
> > Trent
> >
> >
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Re: What is a full-stack PHP developer

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

This buzzword has a definition.

https://www.w3schools.com/whatis/whatis_fullstack.asp

Full Stack Web Developer
A full stack web developer is a person who can develop both client and
server software.

In addition to mastering HTML and CSS, he/she also knows how to:

Program a browser (like using JavaScript, jQuery, Angular, or Vue)
Program a server (like using PHP, ASP, Python, or Node)
Program a database (like using SQL, SQLite, or MongoDB)


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> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 25 Nov 2022 14:36:34 -0700
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have read that to be qualified as a full-stack developer, one must
> >know how to troubleshoot the entire stack.
> >
> >Where are the boundaries.
>
> One man's opinion: "Full-stack developer" is a buzzword with a thousand
> different meanings. My advice, call yourself a "full-stack developer"
> to baffle em with your buzzwords, and let anyone who disagrees try to
> prove you wrong.
>
> SteveT
>
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Re: Unable to access Proxmox via browser

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I always had to use 8006 for the proxmox webgui.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022, 9:00 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I watched a video that used the ip plus port 8086 and the docs show that
> as well.
>
> I did not dinging and reading and Proxmox is a Debian derivative so I
> suspect as I dig I will find Apache.  I look at at the files in /etc did
> not see Apache.  Apt was in /etc/apt/.  It has been a while since I got
> this far into Linux so some of this is kind of hazy.  Plan to send a
> couple hours today poking around. I was not able to install
> net-tools
>
> The Proxmox access log is empty.
>
> Thanks!!
> Keith
>
>
>
> On 2022-11-18 20:08, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 18 Nov 2022 18:22:12 -0700
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Was able to install Proxmox.
> >>
> >> - Can log into Proxmox directly.
> >> - Can ssh from my desktop into the Proxmox machine.
> >> - Can Not access via Chrome and FireFox
> >>
> >> Firefox says :
> >>
> >> Unable to connect
> >>
> >> An error occurred during a connection to 192.168.1.5.
> >
> > Do you have your port right? Is Proxmox really on port 80?
> >
> > SteveT
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
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Re: Consumer Cloud Storage for InterOp

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Got it. they have those options.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 5:28 PM trent shipley 
wrote:

> No Stephen,
>
> I'm saying I don't like administering this kind of thing.  I'm willing to
> pay a service like $125.00 per year for a terabyte of storage, like I for
> for Google Drive, but if I do I want the risk management of my
> data--including business risk of bankruptcy, protection against data
> corruption and loss, protection against accidental or malicious access to
> my private information or data, and uptime to be comparable to Google's.
>
> Trent
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:08 PM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> nextcloud has a desktop client for most OS's Win, OX, and Linux of
>> multiple varieties. but it otherwise runs as a website application. If
>> you do not want to run a Linus box it runs well in docker or a vm, and they
>> have ready-to-run images for you. I run it nicely as part of my unlimited
>> hosting, but without a memory cache of any sort, it has moments of
>> sluggishness. and The sync tool runs much like Google Drive sync or MS
>> Onedrive you point it at one or moe directories. Once a change happens
>> there it is replicated up and to other client machines.
>>
>> https://nextcloud.com/instant-trial/
>> https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 2:49 PM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I enjoy programming a lot and dislike sysadmin (one reason I don't use a
>>> Linux desktop more.  It's like owning a classic car.  You're always
>>> tinkering with it.  The other is "why won't Word ### run on this!")
>>>
>>> With that in mind are there any large, stable, reputable companies
>>> running nextcloud services for consumers.  Can nextcloud services be
>>> integrated into GUI file browsers on the three OSes?  (Maybe with something
>>> like FUSE or son-of-FUSE?)  Some nice things about Google Drive and
>>> OneDrive is they are unlikely to abruptly go out of business taking my data
>>> with them and they are likely to keep my data more reliably and securely
>>> than I could (of course, they may use it for big data research, targeted
>>> marketing, and State can get access to it with just a subpoena, not a
>>> search warrant.)
>>>
>>> Trent
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 12:14 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 for nextcloud. I run a nextcloud instance at work and it is
>>>> immensely powerful and remarkably straightforward to run. Nginx for me has
>>>> been easier that apache (nextcloud has pushed me to learn and implement
>>>> Nginx because of this) but it runs very well this way.
>>>>
>>>> If you decide to go this route use a memcache. Any of the 3 they
>>>> suggest. It will be a huge performance boost.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:10 PM Nathan O'Brennan via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been running a hosted instance (digital ocean) with Nextcloud
>>>>> for years and it works perfectly for this almost exact scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has problems with some hidden files such as .htaccess at times, but
>>>>> otherwise works fantastic. I have abandoned all other cloud platforms for
>>>>> it. Email, Calendar, files, and password management, and I have access
>>>>> everywhere, including my phone and tablet.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are free services out there that provide limited storage to a
>>>>> Nextcloud storage.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:56:49 AM CST trent shipley via
>>>>> PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > In this order I use Windows, Apple Mac, and Linux Mint.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > Sometimes I'm working in LibreOffice, or Java, or Python, etc. and I
>>>>> get
>>>>>
>>>>> > stuck rotating between all three OSes.  I mostly store my stuff or
>>>>> Google
>>>>>
>>>>> > Drive, but some on OneDrive.  I can access both fine on Windows.
>>>>> Accessing
>>>>&g

Re: Consumer Cloud Storage for InterOp

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

nextcloud has a desktop client for most OS's Win, OX, and Linux of multiple
varieties. but it otherwise runs as a website application. If you do not
want to run a Linus box it runs well in docker or a vm, and they have
ready-to-run images for you. I run it nicely as part of my unlimited
hosting, but without a memory cache of any sort, it has moments of
sluggishness. and The sync tool runs much like Google Drive sync or MS
Onedrive you point it at one or moe directories. Once a change happens
there it is replicated up and to other client machines.

https://nextcloud.com/instant-trial/
https://nextcloud.com/install/#install-clients




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plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I enjoy programming a lot and dislike sysadmin (one reason I don't use a
> Linux desktop more.  It's like owning a classic car.  You're always
> tinkering with it.  The other is "why won't Word ### run on this!")
>
> With that in mind are there any large, stable, reputable companies running
> nextcloud services for consumers.  Can nextcloud services be integrated
> into GUI file browsers on the three OSes?  (Maybe with something like FUSE
> or son-of-FUSE?)  Some nice things about Google Drive and OneDrive is they
> are unlikely to abruptly go out of business taking my data with them and
> they are likely to keep my data more reliably and securely than I could (of
> course, they may use it for big data research, targeted marketing, and
> State can get access to it with just a subpoena, not a search warrant.)
>
> Trent
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 12:14 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> +1 for nextcloud. I run a nextcloud instance at work and it is immensely
>> powerful and remarkably straightforward to run. Nginx for me has been
>> easier that apache (nextcloud has pushed me to learn and implement Nginx
>> because of this) but it runs very well this way.
>>
>> If you decide to go this route use a memcache. Any of the 3 they suggest.
>> It will be a huge performance boost.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:10 PM Nathan O'Brennan via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have been running a hosted instance (digital ocean) with Nextcloud for
>>> years and it works perfectly for this almost exact scenario.
>>>
>>> It has problems with some hidden files such as .htaccess at times, but
>>> otherwise works fantastic. I have abandoned all other cloud platforms for
>>> it. Email, Calendar, files, and password management, and I have access
>>> everywhere, including my phone and tablet.
>>>
>>> There are free services out there that provide limited storage to a
>>> Nextcloud storage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:56:49 AM CST trent shipley via
>>> PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>
>>> > In this order I use Windows, Apple Mac, and Linux Mint.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Sometimes I'm working in LibreOffice, or Java, or Python, etc. and I
>>> get
>>>
>>> > stuck rotating between all three OSes.  I mostly store my stuff or
>>> Google
>>>
>>> > Drive, but some on OneDrive.  I can access both fine on Windows.
>>> Accessing
>>>
>>> > OneDrive from my iMac works OK.  I've had the iMac  unable to find
>>> files on
>>>
>>> > OneDrive and I couldn't figure out why.  I haven't experimented with
>>> Google
>>>
>>> > Drive on Mint, but that's supposed to run OK.  There doesn't seem to
>>> be a
>>>
>>> > sophisticated integration of Linux Mint and OneDrive.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > LibreOffice and scripting languages work fine when placed on cloud
>>> drives.
>>>
>>> > I couldn't compile Java source files if they lived on Google Drive and
>>> I
>>>
>>> > haven't tried OneDrive yet.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > So my buried lead is "what consumer grade cloud storage inter-operates
>>> best
>>>
>>> > with all three OSes?"  Linux always seems to be the laggard, so the
>>>
>>> > strategy might be to find services which work well with Linux *then*
>>> see
>>>
>>> > how that pool of solutions work with whatever Apple is calling OSX now
>>> and
>>>
>>> > with Windows.
>>

Re: Proxmox

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I have been loving proxmox for years. Ran it my lab at work with semi
production workloads and at home.

The big suggestion I have is read up on lxc.

Proxmox uses kvm/qemu and you can do a great deal with this even if you
don't uses containers.

The biggest value I can add is use 2 drives if you can. Small one for
proxmox itself. And then a larger disk for vms. Separate space for isos and
templates is a huge benefit (local nas works here to if you have one.

Once you install poke around and make a mess. It will help you decide how
you want it. (I reinstalled right after I set it up the first time because
I really made some decisions that did not jive well with how proxmox does
its thing.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022, 4:06 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <
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> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 16 Nov 2022 07:55:46 -0700
>
> >
> >I am thinking of loading Proxmox on this computer and just moving
> >forward.
> >
> >I watched a video on Proxmox and it looks simple enough.
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> When you've installed Proxmox, please tell us all about the process,
> the landmines, the secrets, and how well it fits our needs. This will
> be great information.
>
>
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Re: Anyone use Google Fi ??

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I have friends that use it and the 3 of them I know use it say it is great.

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> Does anyone here use Google Fi ??
>
> How good or how bad is it?
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Re: Consumer Cloud Storage for InterOp

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

+1 for nextcloud. I run a nextcloud instance at work and it is immensely
powerful and remarkably straightforward to run. Nginx for me has been
easier that apache (nextcloud has pushed me to learn and implement Nginx
because of this) but it runs very well this way.

If you decide to go this route use a memcache. Any of the 3 they suggest.
It will be a huge performance boost.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 2:10 PM Nathan O'Brennan via PLUG-discuss <
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>
> I have been running a hosted instance (digital ocean) with Nextcloud for
> years and it works perfectly for this almost exact scenario.
>
> It has problems with some hidden files such as .htaccess at times, but
> otherwise works fantastic. I have abandoned all other cloud platforms for
> it. Email, Calendar, files, and password management, and I have access
> everywhere, including my phone and tablet.
>
> There are free services out there that provide limited storage to a
> Nextcloud storage.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 10:56:49 AM CST trent shipley via
> PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> > In this order I use Windows, Apple Mac, and Linux Mint.
>
> >
>
> > Sometimes I'm working in LibreOffice, or Java, or Python, etc. and I get
>
> > stuck rotating between all three OSes.  I mostly store my stuff or Google
>
> > Drive, but some on OneDrive.  I can access both fine on Windows.
> Accessing
>
> > OneDrive from my iMac works OK.  I've had the iMac  unable to find files
> on
>
> > OneDrive and I couldn't figure out why.  I haven't experimented with
> Google
>
> > Drive on Mint, but that's supposed to run OK.  There doesn't seem to be a
>
> > sophisticated integration of Linux Mint and OneDrive.
>
> >
>
> > LibreOffice and scripting languages work fine when placed on cloud
> drives.
>
> > I couldn't compile Java source files if they lived on Google Drive and I
>
> > haven't tried OneDrive yet.
>
> >
>
> > So my buried lead is "what consumer grade cloud storage inter-operates
> best
>
> > with all three OSes?"  Linux always seems to be the laggard, so the
>
> > strategy might be to find services which work well with Linux *then* see
>
> > how that pool of solutions work with whatever Apple is calling OSX now
> and
>
> > with Windows.
>
> >
>
> > Sorry for the hybrid desktop world question which is not focus on FOSS or
>
> > Linux.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Trent
>
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Re: Installing and configuring VirtualBox on Kubuntu 22.04

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For virtualbox i tend to start here
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads

but .deb is a native debian, and therefore ubuntu package type. and you can
usually just doublecliock on your (hopefully trustworthy) deb package.

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>
> Hi,
>
> I have installed Kubuntu 22.04 and an getting familiar with it and have
> some questions.
>
> I was researching how to install Oracle's VirtualBox and the way is to
> go to the K-Menu and do a search.  It comers up with a .deb package.  I
> was able to install it no problem and I can launch it from the K-Menu.
>
> 1) Is the .deb a different repository?  When I do a package upgrade does
> it get upgraded?  How do I uninstall if I want?
>
> 2) I want to install the Extension, as suggested.  The docs I am
> following says click File > Preferences > Extensions > Add a new
> package.
>
> I do not have extensions in the menu.
>
> Any help much appreciated,
>
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Re: software to edit dvds

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Step 2 = LoL
Step 5: there are tools that will allow you to make your own.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 7:48 AM Snyder, Alexander J via PLUG-discuss <
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> Step 1: Rip DVD (MakeMKV, or others)
>
> Step 2: Have deep philosophical discussion on the ethics of your actions
>
> Step 3: Use any video editing tool to trim out the parts of the file you
> don't want.
>
> Step 4: (optionally) burn to DVD as playable movie ... (preserving the
> menu content isn't possible at this point. That ship sailed when you ripped
> it).
>
> Step 4a: Play digitally with Plex.
>
> Step 5: Explain to your wife (or significant other) that it's a hobby, and
> not stupid, and if you upgraded the computer (server) Plex would play her
> Hallmark movies and RealHousewives episodes better ... (it won't, but she
> doesn't need to know that).
>
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S22+
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022, 10:50 Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> I always laugh with new format introductions by the media cartels to get
>> people to buy the same thing all over again, now these streaming services,
>> and still somehow get fed ads for your patronage.  Or I can just download a
>> clean, perfect version of that already in about 2 minutes of effort from
>> piratebay.  Unless you really feel some guilt or enjoy the technical
>> practice of ripping video, just download it using a vpn to some random
>> place and save the effort someone else already did.
>>
>> I haven't paid for media or seen commercials in 25 years, and rather
>> spend for new hard drives and bandwidth over a new movie I'm going to
>> download on said hard drive, watch exactly once (if that), delete, and
>> forget.  Apparently people like me haven't ruined the business that the
>> Disney's and the other mega media cartels go out of business yet and still
>> maintain record profits.  Go figure.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 8:00 AM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> What I do in the privacy of my own home is none of the Government's
>>> business.  It's in the Constitution.  Not that the Government cares much
>>> about that, either.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> George Toft
>>>
>>> On 11/3/2022 9:16 PM, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> > Altering a dvd for any reason is against federal law. It displays that
>>> on the beginning of the dvd or Blu-ray.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, at 20:06, Jim via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> >> I bought some DVDs recently that have those annoying trailers before
>>> >> the main menu that I can't skip or fast forward to.   Is there some
>>> >> llnux software that would let me remove those trailers from a copy  I
>>> >> make of one of the DVDs? thanks
>>> >>
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Re: Cheap Laptop

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i would run Chrome OS Flex or Linux on that. Win 11 is kind of iffy in my
book, and The S version is half an OS.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:09 AM Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss <
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> I have a friend that has 5 laptops for sale right now. He removes all data
> on it and makes sure everything is running right and installs windows 10 on
> it. I bought one and it’s great. I installed Linux on it and runs just
> fine. It is an HP probook. He works for the business that gets ready to
> replace laptops. Mine is only a little over 2 years old. I can get a list
> of them he has for sale and the price for them if you’d like.
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, at 19:43, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I'd say STAY AWAY from it
> >
> > About Windows 11 in S mode
> >
> > Windows 11 in S mode is a version of Windows 11 that's streamlined for
> > security and performance, while providing a familiar Windows
> > experience. To increase security, it allows only apps from Microsoft
> > Store, and requires Microsoft Edge for safe browsing.
> >
> >
> > It's a crippled system !!!
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:16 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I was bebopping through the web and I saw this Gateway laptop on sale
> at
> >> Amazon:
> >>
> >>
> >> Gateway 15.6" Ultra Slim Notebook with Carrying Case & Wireless Mouse,
> >> FHD, Intel® Core™ i3-1115G4, Dual Core, 4GB Memory, 128GB SSD, Tuned by
> >> THX™ Audio, 1.0MP Webcam, HDMI, Cortana, Windows 11 S
> >>
> >> Now $179.00
> >> was $445.00
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gateway-15-6-Ultra-Slim-Notebook-Carrying-Case-Wireless-Mouse-FHD-Intel-Core-i3-1115G4-Dual-Core-4GB-Memory-128GB-SSD-Tuned-THX-Audio-1-0MP-Webcam-HD/996759914?athbdg=L1800
> >>
> >> Nice!!
> >>
> >> Keith
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Re: Proxmox Hypervisor, vCPU, RAM... etc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

They don't recommend it either, but if you have a dev workstation and need
advanced VM and container needs it works well.

The use case I can see as the most applicable is when using the advanced
Software-defined networking options that it can do and having other
machines for the main workload so you can do your testing from a single
machine or array of VMs'

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 3:46 PM Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss <
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> I personally would refrain from installing X windows on the host. There's
> nothing that you'll be able to do from xwindows that you can't do from the
> web interface, and running that will just take away resources that you'd
> otherwise be able to use for your virtual machines. Additionally, you might
> find yourself fighting with Proxmox as it expects to be able to control
> things like networking which your chosen desktop environment might
> interfere with.
>
> Proxmox under the hood also doesn't use standard libvirt or lxc resources,
> so if your reason for installing it is to use the virtualization features
> outside the web interface then you're also going to be stepping on
> Proxmox's internal processes.
>
> If you want a machine that you can login to to do otherwise random things,
> just create a VM or container and connect to that. Otherwise treat Proxmox
> as an appliance, like you would a VMware Hypervisor host, and you'll have a
> much better time with it.
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, at 8:34 PM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> So. Proxmox under the hood is Debian. Virtualization only allow you to
> stack workloads proxmox has an extra layer of being set up to run
> containers as well as vms. That can run lean and share resources better.
> Bet part of this is you can install it on anything you can install Debian
> on. They even have docs on how to install x windows and run it as you a
> daily workstation as well as VM host.
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 10:35 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> I have an i3 with 2 cores and 4 threads running an SSD.  Seems like too
> few resources for Proxmox?  Your thoughts?
>
>
> On 2022-10-09 10:29, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > On Sun, 2022-10-09 at 06:50 -0700, keith Miller via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> Couple of items, I've used Promox for about 4-5 years  now, very nice
> >> hypervisor have had no problems what soever
> >> I current run it on a Dell R-610 with 96Gig of ram and 6TB of HD,
> >> hosting 5
> >> linux servers and desktopsetup with about 8 domains and 1 email server
> >> all
> >> are Linux based, the mail server is awesome
> >> system called Zimbra completely free, I'm hosting a number of open
> >> source
> >> decentralized social network, Peertube (Youtube work alike) , Mastodon
> >> (Socal Network) , Piwigo (Picture hosting), OSSN (Social Network)
> >> , WebTrees (Geniology), OsClass script (ForSale/Want ads), Simple
> >> Machines
> >> (Forum), WordPress (Blogging site)
> >> So I use it alot
> >
> > Hi Keith,
> >
> > The Proxmox docs seem to strongly encourage using RAID, but I have no
> > business
> > justification for the time and money involved in RAID. How well or
> > poorly will it
> > work just operating off 250GB SSD for / and a 6TB 7200rpm spinning rust
> > for the
> > rest?
> >
> > Also, space is at a premium in my house. Can I admin a Proxmox machine
> > connected to
> > my LAN, via the web interface, from my Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) also
> > connected to
> > my lan? I'd like to run my Proxmox machine headless except for very
> > rare
> > troubleshooting.
> >
> > I have a 2 core AMD machine with 16GB RAM and about 6TB of 7200
> > spinning rust just
> > hanging around (it's my old DDD). Do you think that would be sufficient
> > for just
> > fooling around with?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > SteveT
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Re: Proxmox Hypervisor, vCPU, RAM... etc

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So. Proxmox under the hood is Debian. Virtualization only allow you to
stack workloads proxmox has an extra layer of being set up to run
containers as well as vms. That can run lean and share resources better.
Bet part of this is you can install it on anything you can install Debian
on. They even have docs on how to install x windows and run it as you a
daily workstation as well as VM host.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 10:35 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
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> I have an i3 with 2 cores and 4 threads running an SSD.  Seems like too
> few resources for Proxmox?  Your thoughts?
>
>
> On 2022-10-09 10:29, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > On Sun, 2022-10-09 at 06:50 -0700, keith Miller via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> Couple of items, I've used Promox for about 4-5 years  now, very nice
> >> hypervisor have had no problems what soever
> >> I current run it on a Dell R-610 with 96Gig of ram and 6TB of HD,
> >> hosting 5
> >> linux servers and desktopsetup with about 8 domains and 1 email server
> >> all
> >> are Linux based, the mail server is awesome
> >> system called Zimbra completely free, I'm hosting a number of open
> >> source
> >> decentralized social network, Peertube (Youtube work alike) , Mastodon
> >> (Socal Network) , Piwigo (Picture hosting), OSSN (Social Network)
> >> , WebTrees (Geniology), OsClass script (ForSale/Want ads), Simple
> >> Machines
> >> (Forum), WordPress (Blogging site)
> >> So I use it alot
> >
> > Hi Keith,
> >
> > The Proxmox docs seem to strongly encourage using RAID, but I have no
> > business
> > justification for the time and money involved in RAID. How well or
> > poorly will it
> > work just operating off 250GB SSD for / and a 6TB 7200rpm spinning rust
> > for the
> > rest?
> >
> > Also, space is at a premium in my house. Can I admin a Proxmox machine
> > connected to
> > my LAN, via the web interface, from my Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) also
> > connected to
> > my lan? I'd like to run my Proxmox machine headless except for very
> > rare
> > troubleshooting.
> >
> > I have a 2 core AMD machine with 16GB RAM and about 6TB of 7200
> > spinning rust just
> > hanging around (it's my old DDD). Do you think that would be sufficient
> > for just
> > fooling around with?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > SteveT
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Re: Proxmox Hypervisor, vCPU, RAM... etc

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Indeed!

Proxmox has been on of my all time favorite VM solutions.

If you dig down into the docs I think you will see why. But there is a ton
of digging you can do.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 9:48 AM  wrote:

> Very exciting what we are to do with modern hardware.
>
>
> On 2022-10-09 03:43, Stephen Partington wrote:
> > I have run proxmox on Mac minis 4 cores/8 threads and originally 8gm
> > ram. I upgraded ram heavily and stuffed in an ssd to run as a lvm
> > cache to the 5400 1t drive and it performed well as a home lab server
> > for years.
> >
> > All the rest is use case recommended for a server. Possibly in
> > production.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022, 9:08 PM  wrote:
> >
> >> That sounds scary.
> >>
> >> Ok, so I am coming away with a vCPU is = to a thread.  RAM  is
> >> fixed.  I
> >> read Proxmox requires 2GB of RAM and I was unable to determine the
> >> number of cores for Proxmox.
> >>
> >> Proxmox says you will need Intel EMT64 or AMD64 with Intel VT/AMD-V
> >> CPU
> >> flag.
> >>
> >> They suggest SSD disks, and redundant Gbit NICs.  I assume along
> >> these
> >> lines you would want redundant power supplies.
> >>
> >> Another Question :
> >>
> >> I have a Cox business connection that allows me to run servers and
> >> to be
> >> allocated more than 1 static IP.
> >>
> >> I can see me configuring at least 4 virtual machines for LAMP - PHP
> >> testing and development, and a VM for a real website.  Not all of
> >> these
> >> VMs would be active at once.
> >>
> >> Since I would be running this out of my home office, to be safe, I
> >> would
> >> need enough RAM to allocate 4GB of RAM of reach _active_ VM and 2
> >> vCPUs,
> >> and to be safe maybe 4GB of ram and 2 cores for Proxmox.
> >>
> >> For 4 simultaneously active VMs I would need 8vCPUs (8 threads) and
> >> 4GB
> >> of RAM each or 16GB of RAM.  Add to that 2 Cores/4 threads and 4GB
> >> of
> >> RAM for Proxmox and I would need 12 threads or 6 cores and 20GB of
> >> RAM.
> >>
> >> I'm thinking a 500GB SSD would be enough and if I like I could add a
> >>
> >> redundant NIC and a redundant power supply.
> >>
> >> Pretty much a consumer grade box?
> >>
> >> Your thoughts?
> >>
> >> On 2022-10-07 18:23, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> Hit reply too soon. You can share or overprovision ram but you
> >> have to
> >>> enable some features and load a couple of os level drivers to make
> >> it
> >>> work.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:22 PM Stephen Partington
> >> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> And you can share ram across containers not vms.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:21 PM Stephen Partington
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> i love proxmox.have used it fir years
> >>>>
> >>>> The vcou is socket x cores x2 if you have hyperv/smt
> >>>>
> >>>> So a 4 core ht cpu would be 8vcpu.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 7:35 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I just watched a video that covered the Proxmox Hypervisor.
> >> Seems
> >>>> simple enough.  I've used Oracle's VirtualBox for years.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I did some research on what a vCPU is.  I was suppressed.  The
> >>>> math
> >>>> given was (Threads x Cores) x Physical CPU = Number vCPU.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have an old laptop that has 1 socket, 2 cores, four threads,
> >> and
> >>>> 4GB
> >>>> of RAM.
> >>>>
> >>>> Given the math (4 x 2) x 1 = 8 vCPUS.  Is this correct?
> >>>>
> >>>> From my reading it appears that RAM is not shared, so my
> >> bottleneck
> >>>> is
> >>>> RAM not cores or threads.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am a PHP developer and a local vps would need 2GB of RAM at a
> >>>> minimum.
> >>>> I have found a LAMP VPS will crash if allocated less than 2GB of
> >>>> RAM,
> >>>> and will run will on 1 vCPU.
> >>>>
> 

Re: Proxmox Hypervisor, vCPU, RAM... etc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Dynamic_Memory_Management

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 6:44 AM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> That mini had only one nic. And I ran about 4 containers and 2 vms just
> fine.
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 6:43 AM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> I have run proxmox on Mac minis 4 cores/8 threads and originally 8gm ram.
>> I upgraded ram heavily and stuffed in an ssd to run as a lvm cache to the
>> 5400 1t drive and it performed well as a home lab server for years.
>>
>> All the rest is use case recommended for a server. Possibly in
>> production.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022, 9:08 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds scary.
>>>
>>> Ok, so I am coming away with a vCPU is = to a thread.  RAM  is fixed.  I
>>> read Proxmox requires 2GB of RAM and I was unable to determine the
>>> number of cores for Proxmox.
>>>
>>> Proxmox says you will need Intel EMT64 or AMD64 with Intel VT/AMD-V CPU
>>> flag.
>>>
>>> They suggest SSD disks, and redundant Gbit NICs.  I assume along these
>>> lines you would want redundant power supplies.
>>>
>>> Another Question :
>>>
>>> I have a Cox business connection that allows me to run servers and to be
>>> allocated more than 1 static IP.
>>>
>>> I can see me configuring at least 4 virtual machines for LAMP - PHP
>>> testing and development, and a VM for a real website.  Not all of these
>>> VMs would be active at once.
>>>
>>> Since I would be running this out of my home office, to be safe, I would
>>> need enough RAM to allocate 4GB of RAM of reach _active_ VM and 2 vCPUs,
>>> and to be safe maybe 4GB of ram and 2 cores for Proxmox.
>>>
>>> For 4 simultaneously active VMs I would need 8vCPUs (8 threads) and 4GB
>>> of RAM each or 16GB of RAM.  Add to that 2 Cores/4 threads and 4GB of
>>> RAM for Proxmox and I would need 12 threads or 6 cores and 20GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking a 500GB SSD would be enough and if I like I could add a
>>> redundant NIC and a redundant power supply.
>>>
>>> Pretty much a consumer grade box?
>>>
>>> Your thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2022-10-07 18:23, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> > Hit reply too soon. You can share or overprovision ram but you have to
>>> > enable some features and load a couple of os level drivers to make it
>>> > work.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:22 PM Stephen Partington 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> And you can share ram across containers not vms.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:21 PM Stephen Partington
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> i love proxmox.have used it fir years
>>> >>
>>> >> The vcou is socket x cores x2 if you have hyperv/smt
>>> >>
>>> >> So a 4 core ht cpu would be 8vcpu.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 7:35 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> I just watched a video that covered the Proxmox Hypervisor.  Seems
>>> >> simple enough.  I've used Oracle's VirtualBox for years.
>>> >>
>>> >> So I did some research on what a vCPU is.  I was suppressed.  The
>>> >> math
>>> >> given was (Threads x Cores) x Physical CPU = Number vCPU.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have an old laptop that has 1 socket, 2 cores, four threads, and
>>> >> 4GB
>>> >> of RAM.
>>> >>
>>> >> Given the math (4 x 2) x 1 = 8 vCPUS.  Is this correct?
>>> >>
>>> >> From my reading it appears that RAM is not shared, so my bottleneck
>>> >> is
>>> >> RAM not cores or threads.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am a PHP developer and a local vps would need 2GB of RAM at a
>>> >> minimum.
>>> >> I have found a LAMP VPS will crash if allocated less than 2GB of
>>> >> RAM,
>>> >> and will run will on 1 vCPU.
>>> >>
>>> >> The good news is I really only need one VPS to be active at any
>>> >> given
>>> >> time.
>>> >>
>>> >> If I wanted to build a box that could run more than one VPS at a
>>> >> time,
>>> >> lets say 4, and I wanted to allocate 2 vCPUs and 4GB of RAM I would
>>> >> need
>>> >> 4 threads x 2 cores to run the 4 VPS configured with 2 vCPUs each.
>>> >>
>>> >> What about RAM.  Looks like I would need a minimum of 16GB of ram.
>>> >>
>>> >> How much resources does the Hypervisor need, in this case Proxmox?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks!!
>>> >> Keith
>>> >> ---
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Re: Proxmox Hypervisor, vCPU, RAM... etc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

That mini had only one nic. And I ran about 4 containers and 2 vms just
fine.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022, 6:43 AM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> I have run proxmox on Mac minis 4 cores/8 threads and originally 8gm ram.
> I upgraded ram heavily and stuffed in an ssd to run as a lvm cache to the
> 5400 1t drive and it performed well as a home lab server for years.
>
> All the rest is use case recommended for a server. Possibly in production.
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022, 9:08 PM  wrote:
>
>> That sounds scary.
>>
>> Ok, so I am coming away with a vCPU is = to a thread.  RAM  is fixed.  I
>> read Proxmox requires 2GB of RAM and I was unable to determine the
>> number of cores for Proxmox.
>>
>> Proxmox says you will need Intel EMT64 or AMD64 with Intel VT/AMD-V CPU
>> flag.
>>
>> They suggest SSD disks, and redundant Gbit NICs.  I assume along these
>> lines you would want redundant power supplies.
>>
>> Another Question :
>>
>> I have a Cox business connection that allows me to run servers and to be
>> allocated more than 1 static IP.
>>
>> I can see me configuring at least 4 virtual machines for LAMP - PHP
>> testing and development, and a VM for a real website.  Not all of these
>> VMs would be active at once.
>>
>> Since I would be running this out of my home office, to be safe, I would
>> need enough RAM to allocate 4GB of RAM of reach _active_ VM and 2 vCPUs,
>> and to be safe maybe 4GB of ram and 2 cores for Proxmox.
>>
>> For 4 simultaneously active VMs I would need 8vCPUs (8 threads) and 4GB
>> of RAM each or 16GB of RAM.  Add to that 2 Cores/4 threads and 4GB of
>> RAM for Proxmox and I would need 12 threads or 6 cores and 20GB of RAM.
>>
>> I'm thinking a 500GB SSD would be enough and if I like I could add a
>> redundant NIC and a redundant power supply.
>>
>> Pretty much a consumer grade box?
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2022-10-07 18:23, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > Hit reply too soon. You can share or overprovision ram but you have to
>> > enable some features and load a couple of os level drivers to make it
>> > work.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:22 PM Stephen Partington 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> And you can share ram across containers not vms.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:21 PM Stephen Partington
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> i love proxmox.have used it fir years
>> >>
>> >> The vcou is socket x cores x2 if you have hyperv/smt
>> >>
>> >> So a 4 core ht cpu would be 8vcpu.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 7:35 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I just watched a video that covered the Proxmox Hypervisor.  Seems
>> >> simple enough.  I've used Oracle's VirtualBox for years.
>> >>
>> >> So I did some research on what a vCPU is.  I was suppressed.  The
>> >> math
>> >> given was (Threads x Cores) x Physical CPU = Number vCPU.
>> >>
>> >> I have an old laptop that has 1 socket, 2 cores, four threads, and
>> >> 4GB
>> >> of RAM.
>> >>
>> >> Given the math (4 x 2) x 1 = 8 vCPUS.  Is this correct?
>> >>
>> >> From my reading it appears that RAM is not shared, so my bottleneck
>> >> is
>> >> RAM not cores or threads.
>> >>
>> >> I am a PHP developer and a local vps would need 2GB of RAM at a
>> >> minimum.
>> >> I have found a LAMP VPS will crash if allocated less than 2GB of
>> >> RAM,
>> >> and will run will on 1 vCPU.
>> >>
>> >> The good news is I really only need one VPS to be active at any
>> >> given
>> >> time.
>> >>
>> >> If I wanted to build a box that could run more than one VPS at a
>> >> time,
>> >> lets say 4, and I wanted to allocate 2 vCPUs and 4GB of RAM I would
>> >> need
>> >> 4 threads x 2 cores to run the 4 VPS configured with 2 vCPUs each.
>> >>
>> >> What about RAM.  Looks like I would need a minimum of 16GB of ram.
>> >>
>> >> How much resources does the Hypervisor need, in this case Proxmox?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!!
>> >> Keith
>> >> ---
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>> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
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Re: Proxmox Hypervisor, vCPU, RAM... etc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I have run proxmox on Mac minis 4 cores/8 threads and originally 8gm ram. I
upgraded ram heavily and stuffed in an ssd to run as a lvm cache to the
5400 1t drive and it performed well as a home lab server for years.

All the rest is use case recommended for a server. Possibly in production.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022, 9:08 PM  wrote:

> That sounds scary.
>
> Ok, so I am coming away with a vCPU is = to a thread.  RAM  is fixed.  I
> read Proxmox requires 2GB of RAM and I was unable to determine the
> number of cores for Proxmox.
>
> Proxmox says you will need Intel EMT64 or AMD64 with Intel VT/AMD-V CPU
> flag.
>
> They suggest SSD disks, and redundant Gbit NICs.  I assume along these
> lines you would want redundant power supplies.
>
> Another Question :
>
> I have a Cox business connection that allows me to run servers and to be
> allocated more than 1 static IP.
>
> I can see me configuring at least 4 virtual machines for LAMP - PHP
> testing and development, and a VM for a real website.  Not all of these
> VMs would be active at once.
>
> Since I would be running this out of my home office, to be safe, I would
> need enough RAM to allocate 4GB of RAM of reach _active_ VM and 2 vCPUs,
> and to be safe maybe 4GB of ram and 2 cores for Proxmox.
>
> For 4 simultaneously active VMs I would need 8vCPUs (8 threads) and 4GB
> of RAM each or 16GB of RAM.  Add to that 2 Cores/4 threads and 4GB of
> RAM for Proxmox and I would need 12 threads or 6 cores and 20GB of RAM.
>
> I'm thinking a 500GB SSD would be enough and if I like I could add a
> redundant NIC and a redundant power supply.
>
> Pretty much a consumer grade box?
>
> Your thoughts?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2022-10-07 18:23, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Hit reply too soon. You can share or overprovision ram but you have to
> > enable some features and load a couple of os level drivers to make it
> > work.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:22 PM Stephen Partington 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> And you can share ram across containers not vms.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:21 PM Stephen Partington
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> i love proxmox.have used it fir years
> >>
> >> The vcou is socket x cores x2 if you have hyperv/smt
> >>
> >> So a 4 core ht cpu would be 8vcpu.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 7:35 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I just watched a video that covered the Proxmox Hypervisor.  Seems
> >> simple enough.  I've used Oracle's VirtualBox for years.
> >>
> >> So I did some research on what a vCPU is.  I was suppressed.  The
> >> math
> >> given was (Threads x Cores) x Physical CPU = Number vCPU.
> >>
> >> I have an old laptop that has 1 socket, 2 cores, four threads, and
> >> 4GB
> >> of RAM.
> >>
> >> Given the math (4 x 2) x 1 = 8 vCPUS.  Is this correct?
> >>
> >> From my reading it appears that RAM is not shared, so my bottleneck
> >> is
> >> RAM not cores or threads.
> >>
> >> I am a PHP developer and a local vps would need 2GB of RAM at a
> >> minimum.
> >> I have found a LAMP VPS will crash if allocated less than 2GB of
> >> RAM,
> >> and will run will on 1 vCPU.
> >>
> >> The good news is I really only need one VPS to be active at any
> >> given
> >> time.
> >>
> >> If I wanted to build a box that could run more than one VPS at a
> >> time,
> >> lets say 4, and I wanted to allocate 2 vCPUs and 4GB of RAM I would
> >> need
> >> 4 threads x 2 cores to run the 4 VPS configured with 2 vCPUs each.
> >>
> >> What about RAM.  Looks like I would need a minimum of 16GB of ram.
> >>
> >> How much resources does the Hypervisor need, in this case Proxmox?
> >>
> >> Thanks!!
> >> Keith
> >> ---
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Re: Proxmox Hypervisor, vCPU, RAM... etc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Hit reply too soon. You can share or overprovision ram but you have to
enable some features and load a couple of os level drivers to make it work.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:22 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> And you can share ram across containers not vms.
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:21 PM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> i love proxmox.have used it fir years
>>
>> The vcou is socket x cores x2 if you have hyperv/smt
>>
>> So a 4 core ht cpu would be 8vcpu.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 7:35 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just watched a video that covered the Proxmox Hypervisor.  Seems
>>> simple enough.  I've used Oracle's VirtualBox for years.
>>>
>>> So I did some research on what a vCPU is.  I was suppressed.  The math
>>> given was (Threads x Cores) x Physical CPU = Number vCPU.
>>>
>>> I have an old laptop that has 1 socket, 2 cores, four threads, and 4GB
>>> of RAM.
>>>
>>> Given the math (4 x 2) x 1 = 8 vCPUS.  Is this correct?
>>>
>>>  From my reading it appears that RAM is not shared, so my bottleneck is
>>> RAM not cores or threads.
>>>
>>> I am a PHP developer and a local vps would need 2GB of RAM at a minimum.
>>>   I have found a LAMP VPS will crash if allocated less than 2GB of RAM,
>>> and will run will on 1 vCPU.
>>>
>>> The good news is I really only need one VPS to be active at any given
>>> time.
>>>
>>> If I wanted to build a box that could run more than one VPS at a time,
>>> lets say 4, and I wanted to allocate 2 vCPUs and 4GB of RAM I would need
>>> 4 threads x 2 cores to run the 4 VPS configured with 2 vCPUs each.
>>>
>>> What about RAM.  Looks like I would need a minimum of 16GB of ram.
>>>
>>> How much resources does the Hypervisor need, in this case Proxmox?
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>> Keith
>>> ---
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>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
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Re: Proxmox Hypervisor, vCPU, RAM... etc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

And you can share ram across containers not vms.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 9:21 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> i love proxmox.have used it fir years
>
> The vcou is socket x cores x2 if you have hyperv/smt
>
> So a 4 core ht cpu would be 8vcpu.
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 7:35 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just watched a video that covered the Proxmox Hypervisor.  Seems
>> simple enough.  I've used Oracle's VirtualBox for years.
>>
>> So I did some research on what a vCPU is.  I was suppressed.  The math
>> given was (Threads x Cores) x Physical CPU = Number vCPU.
>>
>> I have an old laptop that has 1 socket, 2 cores, four threads, and 4GB
>> of RAM.
>>
>> Given the math (4 x 2) x 1 = 8 vCPUS.  Is this correct?
>>
>>  From my reading it appears that RAM is not shared, so my bottleneck is
>> RAM not cores or threads.
>>
>> I am a PHP developer and a local vps would need 2GB of RAM at a minimum.
>>   I have found a LAMP VPS will crash if allocated less than 2GB of RAM,
>> and will run will on 1 vCPU.
>>
>> The good news is I really only need one VPS to be active at any given
>> time.
>>
>> If I wanted to build a box that could run more than one VPS at a time,
>> lets say 4, and I wanted to allocate 2 vCPUs and 4GB of RAM I would need
>> 4 threads x 2 cores to run the 4 VPS configured with 2 vCPUs each.
>>
>> What about RAM.  Looks like I would need a minimum of 16GB of ram.
>>
>> How much resources does the Hypervisor need, in this case Proxmox?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>> Keith
>> ---
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Re: Proxmox Hypervisor, vCPU, RAM... etc

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

i love proxmox.have used it fir years

The vcou is socket x cores x2 if you have hyperv/smt

So a 4 core ht cpu would be 8vcpu.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 7:35 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I just watched a video that covered the Proxmox Hypervisor.  Seems
> simple enough.  I've used Oracle's VirtualBox for years.
>
> So I did some research on what a vCPU is.  I was suppressed.  The math
> given was (Threads x Cores) x Physical CPU = Number vCPU.
>
> I have an old laptop that has 1 socket, 2 cores, four threads, and 4GB
> of RAM.
>
> Given the math (4 x 2) x 1 = 8 vCPUS.  Is this correct?
>
>  From my reading it appears that RAM is not shared, so my bottleneck is
> RAM not cores or threads.
>
> I am a PHP developer and a local vps would need 2GB of RAM at a minimum.
>   I have found a LAMP VPS will crash if allocated less than 2GB of RAM,
> and will run will on 1 vCPU.
>
> The good news is I really only need one VPS to be active at any given
> time.
>
> If I wanted to build a box that could run more than one VPS at a time,
> lets say 4, and I wanted to allocate 2 vCPUs and 4GB of RAM I would need
> 4 threads x 2 cores to run the 4 VPS configured with 2 vCPUs each.
>
> What about RAM.  Looks like I would need a minimum of 16GB of ram.
>
> How much resources does the Hypervisor need, in this case Proxmox?
>
> Thanks!!
> Keith
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Re: hows the weather over in PHX?

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Nice brisk 57 with a high of 73 today.

But I am in Bloomington now.

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022, 7:01 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
> Dry 95 degrees at 4pm.  Overnight is projected to get down to 73.  We
> had probably what I would call a little less than normal rain this
> summer and it was very mild for the most part.
>
> I've been to Ocala. It is a nice place.
>
> Good to hear you are safe!!
>
>
>
> On 2022-10-02 14:22, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > A hurricane just blew through here. Here in ocala we didn't even get a
> > lot of rain or wind.
> >
> > --
> >
> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: Plasma bug - can't download new stuff

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

If I recall there is a browser extension that KDE uses to grab downloads.

Or is that gnome...

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:02 AM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
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> I've got Kubuntu 22.04 and I've found a bug.  In system settings I
> clicked appearance and tries to download a new global theme.  I clicked
> the Get New Global Themes button and got this error:
>
> Loading of providers from file:
> https://autoconfig.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml failed
>
> I also tried plasma style, and all the other options that had a Get New
> button.  Each time I clicked the Get New button I got the same error.
> Does anyone know how to fix this?  Thanks
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Re: Gimp

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https://www.lifewire.com/make-hdr-photo-exposure-blend-plugin-1701676

This might do for you.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 1:28 PM Joseph Sinclair via PLUG-discuss <
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> Mike,
>   It looks like what you are trying to do is merge three photos with
> different exposures into a single photo with greater dynamic range.  That's
> usually described as High Dynamic Range, or HDR, exposure.
> There are tutorials online for how to do that; a search for ["High Dynamic
> Range" GIMP] should bring good results.
>
> On 2022-09-22 08:28 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > what I mean is doing an interior shot (2 or 3  exposures) and making the
> > window not blown out.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 11:21 AM Michael  wrote:
> >
> >> How do I do real estate photos with gimp?--
> >> :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: ssd/hdd question

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

Hdd has the advantage in $ per GB. SSD has the advantage in speed per GB
and physical space.

M.2 is even more in this.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:20 PM T Zack Crawford via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> SSD is more expensive but faster. M.2 SSDs even moreso. SSDs can have
> sectors go bad if you rewrite over the same spot multiple times. With SSDs,
> you should "trim" or clean up when files are deleted. Not 100% sure about
> SSDs, but data will start to corrupt over time on an HDD (scale ~2 years)
> because of the strength of the magnetics of the particular portion of the
> drive decay over time. You can mediate this by dd-ing the drive onto itself
> periodically. HDDs are fragile to being knocked (magnetics and motor). If
> you want to archive data for a long time, I suggest you look into optical
> (100s of years but limited space) or tape e.g. LTO. LTO is good for ~15
> years with optimal storage conditions and is very cheap per TB if you
> already own a drive. Although transfer rate is slow and data is sequential.
> I own an LTO4 drive bought off ebay and tapes are ~20$ for 800GB. Optical
> and SSD is best for mobility. I often buy 2.5" drives and connect with SATA
> --> USB 3.0 which can be faster than a 5400rpm internal SSD directly wired
> sata to motherboard.
>
> Sep 16, 2022 12:08:52 Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>:
>
> Which is bette, and SSD or HDD?
> Which is more reliable? What is the downside of a SSD?
>
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