Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Stephen]

Intel has so far managed to be the king of overall Horsepower, AMD still
can eke out some solid memory performance and even
beat comparably priced Intel processors in memory performance. this kind of
makes them a good choice for lots of little threads. and they have cost
savings on their side. however if you ever have large threads that need
allot of compute in the long run Intel will be the better performer.

There are a large number of tech docs and benchmarks about on the internet,
but from personal experience and that same reading this is kind of the
summary i have come to.


On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 7:50 AM, keith smith  wrote:

> This is very interesting.  I see quad core AMD chips in regular HP
> consumer grade towers these days.  From what you are saying this would be
> good.
>
> I don't mean to open up Pandora's box... However, how does one assess if
> Intel is better or AMD is better for any given application?
>
> I like to get the best bang for the buck so this thread has been
> educational for me.
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Tue, 1/15/13, Nadim Hoque * wrote:
>
>

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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[keith smith]

This is very interesting.  I see quad core AMD chips in regular HP consumer 
grade towers these days.  From what you are saying this would be good.

I don't mean to open up Pandora's box... However, how does one assess if Intel 
is better or AMD is better for any given application? 

I like to get the best bang for the buck so this thread has been educational 
for me.  



Keith Smith

--- On Tue, 1/15/13, Nadim Hoque  wrote:

From: Nadim Hoque 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 10:34 PM

I do agree with Joseph. From what I have noticed AMD tends to do better with a 
lot of threads where as Intel executes fewer threads faster. This is the reason 
the opteron actually had a strong arm was because they did high I/O things 
better then Intel (from back in the day at least, and I recall Oracle did 
better with AMD and they did show that). I to have an AMD system granted it is 
high end, but I did not spend nearly as much as I would have with an Intel 
system. In my case having a better GPU has a better impact. Not only that but 
AMD in the opteron family they have up to 16 cores in each chip which does help 
with tasks like virtualization. 



On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Sinclair  
wrote:

I've had nothing but good results with AMD over the years.

I have a Llano in one of my desktops right now (A8-3850), it's not hyper fast, 
but it's low power, cool (fan *never* comes on), quiet, and fast enough.  The 
built-in graphics toast anything Intel has built-in (but a decent add-in ATI or 
NVidia card is even faster), and with 16G RAM it never seems to bog down on any 
reasonable workload.




I've been looking at the latest Fusion chips, and the A10 and better look 
pretty darn good for a small desktop.

For a server the Bulldozer series chips are very nice, not as fast as the best 
Xeon's, but a heck of a lot cheaper and less power usage.



If you need top performance, and price isn't an issue, then Intel wins.

If you need good performance, and price matters, then AMD wins.



If you want a laptop that runs like a high-end server, then nobody wins :-P



==Joseph++





On 01/15/2013 01:36 PM, Nathan England wrote:

>

> I am in dire need of a new machine. I'd like a new workstation, but a

> server is a must. This would be a great system for a LAMP box but

> sadly I wouldn't take an AMD system if it was given to me. I have

> tried so hard over the years to like AMD but it has never paid off.

> - From systems that would run so hot they could double as my gas furnace

> in the winter to systems that are so pathetically slow they aren't

> worth keeping around, and I'm talking about new systems! I recently

> bought a Turion 64 X2 and in the end gave Best Buy $150 bucks to take

> it back because it was awful.

>

> I had a Duron 350 once that rocked. It was cool and blew away every

> pentium processor I had at twice the speeds. AMD realized how fast

> they Duron line was, as it was killing the Athlons at the time, and

> they killed it off. Now the Duron lives on in the Turion series but

> they don't even compare.

>

> Am I just having bad luck with AMD or are others experiencing this? I

> seriously would like to know because I've seen some screaming deals on

> quad core and tri core machines I'd love to pick up, but seriously am

> too scared to lose the money on another piece of junk. I think I've

> had 6 AMDs in the last 15 years and have only been happy with 1. Intel

> on the other hand I've had dozens and loved them all... (except the

> celeron).

>

> Nathan

>

>

> On 1/15/2013 7:17 AM, Stephen wrote:

>> It seems that HP agrees with your issues. and have made a low power

>> server.

>

>> 350 normally right now on sale for 320, and they give you an

>> additional 50 rebate.

>

>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052

>

>> I have no idea how reliable they are but if i had the money i would

>> pick one up and find out what i can do with it.

>

>

>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, keith smith

>> mailto:klsmith2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

>

>

>> Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers

>> running 350 plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest

>> room in the house.  Now today I could use that heat, however in

>> July and August I'll pass.

>

>> These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or

>> cheap notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and

>> keyboard with them.  That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP

>> server in a dev environment.

Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Nadim Hoque]

I do agree with Joseph. From what I have noticed AMD tends to do better
with a lot of threads where as Intel executes fewer threads faster. This is
the reason the opteron actually had a strong arm was because they did high
I/O things better then Intel (from back in the day at least, and I recall
Oracle did better with AMD and they did show that). I to have an AMD system
granted it is high end, but I did not spend nearly as much as I would have
with an Intel system. In my case having a better GPU has a better impact.
Not only that but AMD in the opteron family they have up to 16 cores in
each chip which does help with tasks like virtualization.


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Joseph Sinclair
wrote:

> I've had nothing but good results with AMD over the years.
> I have a Llano in one of my desktops right now (A8-3850), it's not hyper
> fast, but it's low power, cool (fan *never* comes on), quiet, and fast
> enough.  The built-in graphics toast anything Intel has built-in (but a
> decent add-in ATI or NVidia card is even faster), and with 16G RAM it never
> seems to bog down on any reasonable workload.
>
> I've been looking at the latest Fusion chips, and the A10 and better look
> pretty darn good for a small desktop.
> For a server the Bulldozer series chips are very nice, not as fast as the
> best Xeon's, but a heck of a lot cheaper and less power usage.
>
> If you need top performance, and price isn't an issue, then Intel wins.
> If you need good performance, and price matters, then AMD wins.
>
> If you want a laptop that runs like a high-end server, then nobody wins :-P
>
> ==Joseph++
>
>
> On 01/15/2013 01:36 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> >
> > I am in dire need of a new machine. I'd like a new workstation, but a
> > server is a must. This would be a great system for a LAMP box but
> > sadly I wouldn't take an AMD system if it was given to me. I have
> > tried so hard over the years to like AMD but it has never paid off.
> > - From systems that would run so hot they could double as my gas furnace
> > in the winter to systems that are so pathetically slow they aren't
> > worth keeping around, and I'm talking about new systems! I recently
> > bought a Turion 64 X2 and in the end gave Best Buy $150 bucks to take
> > it back because it was awful.
> >
> > I had a Duron 350 once that rocked. It was cool and blew away every
> > pentium processor I had at twice the speeds. AMD realized how fast
> > they Duron line was, as it was killing the Athlons at the time, and
> > they killed it off. Now the Duron lives on in the Turion series but
> > they don't even compare.
> >
> > Am I just having bad luck with AMD or are others experiencing this? I
> > seriously would like to know because I've seen some screaming deals on
> > quad core and tri core machines I'd love to pick up, but seriously am
> > too scared to lose the money on another piece of junk. I think I've
> > had 6 AMDs in the last 15 years and have only been happy with 1. Intel
> > on the other hand I've had dozens and loved them all... (except the
> > celeron).
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
> > On 1/15/2013 7:17 AM, Stephen wrote:
> >> It seems that HP agrees with your issues. and have made a low power
> >> server.
> >
> >> 350 normally right now on sale for 320, and they give you an
> >> additional 50 rebate.
> >
> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052
> >
> >> I have no idea how reliable they are but if i had the money i would
> >> pick one up and find out what i can do with it.
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, keith smith
> >> mailto:klsmith2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers
> >> running 350 plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest
> >> room in the house.  Now today I could use that heat, however in
> >> July and August I'll pass.
> >
> >> These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or
> >> cheap notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and
> >> keyboard with them.  That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP
> >> server in a dev environment.  Or add an external monitor, keyboard,
> >> and a mouse and you have two screens you can use.  Not as nice as
> >> two large flat panel monitors, however not as much expense either.
> >
> >
> >> Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more
> >> powerful, I might just use a couple of them for my 

Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Joseph Sinclair]

I've had nothing but good results with AMD over the years.
I have a Llano in one of my desktops right now (A8-3850), it's not hyper fast, 
but it's low power, cool (fan *never* comes on), quiet, and fast enough.  The 
built-in graphics toast anything Intel has built-in (but a decent add-in ATI or 
NVidia card is even faster), and with 16G RAM it never seems to bog down on any 
reasonable workload.

I've been looking at the latest Fusion chips, and the A10 and better look 
pretty darn good for a small desktop.
For a server the Bulldozer series chips are very nice, not as fast as the best 
Xeon's, but a heck of a lot cheaper and less power usage.

If you need top performance, and price isn't an issue, then Intel wins.
If you need good performance, and price matters, then AMD wins.

If you want a laptop that runs like a high-end server, then nobody wins :-P

==Joseph++


On 01/15/2013 01:36 PM, Nathan England wrote:
> 
> I am in dire need of a new machine. I'd like a new workstation, but a
> server is a must. This would be a great system for a LAMP box but
> sadly I wouldn't take an AMD system if it was given to me. I have
> tried so hard over the years to like AMD but it has never paid off.
> - From systems that would run so hot they could double as my gas furnace
> in the winter to systems that are so pathetically slow they aren't
> worth keeping around, and I'm talking about new systems! I recently
> bought a Turion 64 X2 and in the end gave Best Buy $150 bucks to take
> it back because it was awful.
> 
> I had a Duron 350 once that rocked. It was cool and blew away every
> pentium processor I had at twice the speeds. AMD realized how fast
> they Duron line was, as it was killing the Athlons at the time, and
> they killed it off. Now the Duron lives on in the Turion series but
> they don't even compare.
> 
> Am I just having bad luck with AMD or are others experiencing this? I
> seriously would like to know because I've seen some screaming deals on
> quad core and tri core machines I'd love to pick up, but seriously am
> too scared to lose the money on another piece of junk. I think I've
> had 6 AMDs in the last 15 years and have only been happy with 1. Intel
> on the other hand I've had dozens and loved them all... (except the
> celeron).
> 
> Nathan
> 
> 
> On 1/15/2013 7:17 AM, Stephen wrote:
>> It seems that HP agrees with your issues. and have made a low power
>> server.
> 
>> 350 normally right now on sale for 320, and they give you an
>> additional 50 rebate.
> 
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052
> 
>> I have no idea how reliable they are but if i had the money i would
>> pick one up and find out what i can do with it.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, keith smith
>> mailto:klsmith2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers 
>> running 350 plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest 
>> room in the house.  Now today I could use that heat, however in
>> July and August I'll pass.
> 
>> These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or
>> cheap notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and
>> keyboard with them.  That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP
>> server in a dev environment.  Or add an external monitor, keyboard,
>> and a mouse and you have two screens you can use.  Not as nice as
>> two large flat panel monitors, however not as much expense either.
> 
> 
>> Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more 
>> powerful, I might just use a couple of them for my LAMP dev.
> 
> 
>>  Keith Smith
> 
>> --- On *Mon, 1/14/13, j...@actionline.com
>> <mailto:j...@actionline.com> /> <mailto:j...@actionline.com>>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>> From: j...@actionline.com <mailto:j...@actionline.com> 
>> mailto:j...@actionline.com>>
> 
>> Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook? To: "Main PLUG
>> discussion list" > <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> Date: Monday, January 14,
>> 2013, 3:58 PM
> 
> 
> 
>> Keith last wrote:
>>> That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.
> 
>> I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one
>> of which I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I
>> found on Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I
>> think). They run absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is
>> another still available (I think) on Craigslist for $150:
> 
>> h

Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[keith smith]

I have two bottom of the line HP laptops running AMD processors.  I am content. 
 Probably because I do not do much.  LAMP dev, email, browse the web, and 
netflix.  

I think what brought the whole Intel v. AMD home for me was when you were 
setting up VirtualBox on your netbook and beating my Laptop.  I seem to recall 
your netbook runs an Intel CPU, not the latest, but a prior generation, and 1GB 
RAM.  I'm running an AMD dual core with 4GB RAM.  And you netbook was out 
pacing my notebook. 

For years you have been telling me to go with Intel.  I think I am now 
convinced.  I know $200 or $300 dollars can be a big difference when buying 
hardware.  I try to break it down to 5 or 6 years.  If you get an i3, i5, or i7 
at a higher price and you use that workstation or laptop for 5 or 6 years the 
marginal cost might only be $50 a year.  I'm a tightwad.  I hate spending 
money, so I try to get the best deal.  I usually buy my computers on Black 
Friday or during some other sale.  I get the weekly flyer from Staples and 
OfficMax.  If a really good deal comes along I might make  purchase.  Sometimes 
you do not get exactly what you want, however you can save a few bucks.  I 
bought my last two laptops that way.  

During the Christmas sales I picked up to 2 Seagate 500GB backup drives for 
half price.  I did not know they were on special.  I asked the clerk if they 
had any cool specials and he lit up and told me about these drives.  The cool 
thing is they are powered via USB and are ultra thin.  I really did not need 
them however I can use them.  I save money by buying on sale.

My next computer will have an Intel CPU even if it cost more.



Keith Smith

--- On Tue, 1/15/13, Nathan England  wrote:

From: Nathan England 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 1:36 PM

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I am in dire need of a new machine. I'd like a new workstation, but a
server is a must. This would be a great system for a LAMP box but
sadly I wouldn't take an AMD system if it was given to me. I have
tried so hard over the years to like AMD but it has never paid off.
- From systems that would run so hot they could double as my gas furnace
in the winter to systems that are so pathetically slow they aren't
worth keeping around, and I'm talking about new systems! I recently
bought a Turion 64 X2 and in the end gave Best Buy $150 bucks to take
it back because it was awful.

I had a Duron 350 once that rocked. It was cool and blew away every
pentium processor I had at twice the speeds. AMD realized how fast
they Duron line was, as it was killing the Athlons at the time, and
they killed it off. Now the Duron lives on in the Turion series but
they don't even compare.

Am I just having bad luck with AMD or are others experiencing this? I
seriously would like to know because I've seen some screaming deals on
quad core and tri core machines I'd love to pick up, but seriously am
too scared to lose the money on another piece of junk. I think I've
had 6 AMDs in the last 15 years and have only been happy with 1. Intel
on the other hand I've had dozens and loved them all... (except the
celeron).

Nathan


On 1/15/2013 7:17 AM, Stephen wrote:
> It seems that HP agrees with your issues. and have made a low power
> server.
> 
> 350 normally right now on sale for 320, and they give you an
> additional 50 rebate.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052
> 
> I have no idea how reliable they are but if i had the money i would
> pick one up and find out what i can do with it.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, keith smith
> mailto:klsmith2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers 
> running 350 plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest 
> room in the house.  Now today I could use that heat, however in
> July and August I'll pass.
> 
> These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or
> cheap notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and
> keyboard with them.  That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP
> server in a dev environment.  Or add an external monitor, keyboard,
> and a mouse and you have two screens you can use.  Not as nice as
> two large flat panel monitors, however not as much expense either.
> 
> 
> Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more 
> powerful, I might just use a couple of them for my LAMP dev.
> 
> 
>  Keith Smith
> 
> --- On *Mon, 1/14/13, j...@actionline.com
> <mailto:j...@actionline.com> / <mailto:j...@actionline.com>>/* wrote:
> 
> 
> From: j...@actionline.com <mailto:j...@actionline.com> 
> mailto:j.

Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Nathan England]

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I have historically used laptops with the screens ripped off for
servers and various remote workstations. Net Tops just seem perfect
for what I want. Typically I can get more powerful guts for close to
the same cost because I'm not paying for a screen, keyboard and mouse.

But I really like the ability to leave the battery in. Up here in the
woods we have problems with suicidal squirrels taking out
transformers. And some days I feel like we are an APS testing town
where they randomly turn off the power to see what will happen.

Though I have everything on battery backup, sadly when power goes out
my cable goes with it. That is the ONLY advantage DSL has over cable.
At least here in APS testing town...


On 1/14/2013 4:20 PM, keith smith wrote:
> 
> Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers 
> running 350 plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest
> room in the house.  Now today I could use that heat, however in
> July and August I'll pass.
> 
> These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or
> cheap notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and
> keyboard with them.  That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP
> server in a dev environment.  Or add an external monitor, keyboard,
> and a mouse and you have two screens you can use.  Not as nice as
> two large flat panel monitors, however not as much expense either.
> 
> 
> Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more 
> powerful, I might just use a couple of them for my LAMP dev.
> 
> 
>  Keith Smith
> 





- -- 
Regards,

Nathan England

~
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Nathan England (nat...@nmecs.com)
Systems Administration / Web Application Development
Information Security Consulting
(480) 559.9681

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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Stephen]

I have not had these issues. but i have not use their mobile processors in
a long time. The 1090T i have is great.


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Nathan England  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
>
> I am in dire need of a new machine. I'd like a new workstation, but a
> server is a must. This would be a great system for a LAMP box but
> sadly I wouldn't take an AMD system if it was given to me. I have
> tried so hard over the years to like AMD but it has never paid off.
> - From systems that would run so hot they could double as my gas furnace
> in the winter to systems that are so pathetically slow they aren't
> worth keeping around, and I'm talking about new systems! I recently
> bought a Turion 64 X2 and in the end gave Best Buy $150 bucks to take
> it back because it was awful.
>
> I had a Duron 350 once that rocked. It was cool and blew away every
> pentium processor I had at twice the speeds. AMD realized how fast
> they Duron line was, as it was killing the Athlons at the time, and
> they killed it off. Now the Duron lives on in the Turion series but
> they don't even compare.
>
> Am I just having bad luck with AMD or are others experiencing this? I
> seriously would like to know because I've seen some screaming deals on
> quad core and tri core machines I'd love to pick up, but seriously am
> too scared to lose the money on another piece of junk. I think I've
> had 6 AMDs in the last 15 years and have only been happy with 1. Intel
> on the other hand I've had dozens and loved them all... (except the
> celeron).
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 1/15/2013 7:17 AM, Stephen wrote:
> > It seems that HP agrees with your issues. and have made a low power
> > server.
> >
> > 350 normally right now on sale for 320, and they give you an
> > additional 50 rebate.
> >
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052
> >
> > I have no idea how reliable they are but if i had the money i would
> > pick one up and find out what i can do with it.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, keith smith
> > mailto:klsmith2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers
> > running 350 plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest
> > room in the house.  Now today I could use that heat, however in
> > July and August I'll pass.
> >
> > These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or
> > cheap notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and
> > keyboard with them.  That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP
> > server in a dev environment.  Or add an external monitor, keyboard,
> > and a mouse and you have two screens you can use.  Not as nice as
> > two large flat panel monitors, however not as much expense either.
> >
> >
> > Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more
> > powerful, I might just use a couple of them for my LAMP dev.
> >
> >
> >  Keith Smith
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 1/14/13, j...@actionline.com
> > <mailto:j...@actionline.com> / > <mailto:j...@actionline.com>>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: j...@actionline.com <mailto:j...@actionline.com>
> > mailto:j...@actionline.com>>
> >
> > Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook? To: "Main PLUG
> > discussion list"  > <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> Date: Monday, January 14,
> > 2013, 3:58 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Keith last wrote:
> >> That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.
> >
> > I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one
> > of which I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I
> > found on Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I
> > think). They run absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is
> > another still available (I think) on Craigslist for $150:
> >
> > http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html
> >
> > One is now my main computer and the second is just a clone for
> > backup. I'm just now converting them both to kubuntu 12.10.
> >
> > For personal use (except for gamers), I can't see any benefit to
> > big "towers" with 200-watt or larger power supplies any more.
> >
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Nathan England]

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I am in dire need of a new machine. I'd like a new workstation, but a
server is a must. This would be a great system for a LAMP box but
sadly I wouldn't take an AMD system if it was given to me. I have
tried so hard over the years to like AMD but it has never paid off.
- From systems that would run so hot they could double as my gas furnace
in the winter to systems that are so pathetically slow they aren't
worth keeping around, and I'm talking about new systems! I recently
bought a Turion 64 X2 and in the end gave Best Buy $150 bucks to take
it back because it was awful.

I had a Duron 350 once that rocked. It was cool and blew away every
pentium processor I had at twice the speeds. AMD realized how fast
they Duron line was, as it was killing the Athlons at the time, and
they killed it off. Now the Duron lives on in the Turion series but
they don't even compare.

Am I just having bad luck with AMD or are others experiencing this? I
seriously would like to know because I've seen some screaming deals on
quad core and tri core machines I'd love to pick up, but seriously am
too scared to lose the money on another piece of junk. I think I've
had 6 AMDs in the last 15 years and have only been happy with 1. Intel
on the other hand I've had dozens and loved them all... (except the
celeron).

Nathan


On 1/15/2013 7:17 AM, Stephen wrote:
> It seems that HP agrees with your issues. and have made a low power
> server.
> 
> 350 normally right now on sale for 320, and they give you an
> additional 50 rebate.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052
> 
> I have no idea how reliable they are but if i had the money i would
> pick one up and find out what i can do with it.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, keith smith
> mailto:klsmith2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers 
> running 350 plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest 
> room in the house.  Now today I could use that heat, however in
> July and August I'll pass.
> 
> These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or
> cheap notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and
> keyboard with them.  That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP
> server in a dev environment.  Or add an external monitor, keyboard,
> and a mouse and you have two screens you can use.  Not as nice as
> two large flat panel monitors, however not as much expense either.
> 
> 
> Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more 
> powerful, I might just use a couple of them for my LAMP dev.
> 
> 
>  Keith Smith
> 
> --- On *Mon, 1/14/13, j...@actionline.com
> <mailto:j...@actionline.com> / <mailto:j...@actionline.com>>/* wrote:
> 
> 
> From: j...@actionline.com <mailto:j...@actionline.com> 
> mailto:j...@actionline.com>>
> 
> Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook? To: "Main PLUG
> discussion list"  <mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> Date: Monday, January 14,
> 2013, 3:58 PM
> 
> 
> 
> Keith last wrote:
>> That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.
> 
> I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one
> of which I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I
> found on Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I
> think). They run absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is
> another still available (I think) on Craigslist for $150:
> 
> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html
> 
> One is now my main computer and the second is just a clone for 
> backup. I'm just now converting them both to kubuntu 12.10.
> 
> For personal use (except for gamers), I can't see any benefit to
> big "towers" with 200-watt or larger power supplies any more.
> 
> 
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Stephen]

It seems that HP agrees with your issues. and have made a low power server.

350 normally right now on sale for 320, and they give you an additional 50
rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052

I have no idea how reliable they are but if i had the money i would pick
one up and find out what i can do with it.


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, keith smith  wrote:

>
> Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers running
> 350 plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest room in the
> house.  Now today I could use that heat, however in July and August I'll
> pass.
>
> These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or cheap
> notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and keyboard with them.
> That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP server in a dev environment.  Or
> add an external monitor, keyboard, and a mouse and you have two screens you
> can use.  Not as nice as two large flat panel monitors, however not as much
> expense either.
>
> Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more powerful,
> I might just use a couple of them for my LAMP dev.
>
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Mon, 1/14/13, j...@actionline.com * wrote:
>
>
> From: j...@actionline.com 
>
> Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 3:58 PM
>
>
>
> Keith last wrote:
> > That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.
>
> I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one of which
> I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I found on
> Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I think). They run
> absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is another still available (I
> think) on Craigslist for $150:
>
> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html
>
> One is now my main computer and the second is just a clone for backup.
> I'm just now converting them both to kubuntu 12.10.
>
> For personal use (except for gamers), I can't see any benefit to big
> "towers" with 200-watt or larger power supplies any more.
>
>
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Stephen]

Well its not so much as finding a Rom for it as just getting it to take a
new Kernel and OS load. there are allot of people hacking their chromebooks
to do various things.


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> I haven't looked to see if the bootloader is unlockable on the
> chromebooks, but otherwise if so, it's really not typically "risky". I've
> been romming/unlocking phones since winmo3/pre/early androids and never
> bricked a device that wasn't recoverable via a factory recovery means.
>  Samsung is decent about providing unlock capability, so I would expect it
> is or will be unlockable by end-users as most of their modern devices are.
>
> Finding a rom that works on it, maybe not so much.  Canonical ported an
> ubuntu to the nexus7, and later the gnex as ubuntu phone, but it's a matter
> of getting the system working with still somewhat irregular hardware quirks
> in each, including x with capable drivers for direct render hardware
> acceleration and multitouch.  Native ubuntu on arm phone-ish devices is
> still a WIP.
>
> More easily you can usually get ubuntu to run externally atop the android
> kernel, and there's an app to guide you through setting it up in SD on play
> for ubuntu 10.04, 12.04, or backtrack5.  I had 12.04 on my gnex for a bit,
> and would vnc to the desktop for use.  A bit kludgy, but gave me some
> decent usability aside from unity itself being a pig and slowing the entire
> phone down.  LXDE is a much better route I'd heard, but never got to try.
>
> I'm trying to find some time to set up ubuntu over android on my
> transformer prime infinity with the keyboard dock to see how my mileage is
> with it, but hit some quirks of cyanogenmod 10.1 on it.
>
> -mb
>
>
>
> On 01/14/2013 09:01 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
>
>> The samsung chromebook runs a dual-core Exynos 5 processor
>> (smartphone/tablet ARM 15 chip).  It might be possible to get Linux
>> running, but you need to get an ARM build.
>> Also, there is a secure boot feature that may prevent running anything
>> other than ChromeOS on the system (absent a risky unlock procedure).
>> If you want to hack, then get the C7, which is far more amenable to being
>> "repurposed"; the Samsung version really is intended as an "appliance"
>> laptop.
>>
>> That said, I have the Samsung Chromebook, and it's a very nice tagalong
>> device; not a primary device, but very good to take with me just about
>> anywhere I might want to have a real keyboard and remote access, even when
>> I'm not sure whether I'll use it or not.
>>
>> It's (almost) completely useless without WiFi, however (no wired port,
>> and no cell option), so either have a mobile hotspot on hand or be sure
>> there's WiFi available wherever it is you're going.
>>
>>
>> On 01/14/2013 05:40 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen wrote:
>>>
 ... [chromebooks] are 100% purpose built to run just a browser.
 Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal
 of functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my
 favorites of these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC
 clients as well.

>>>
>>> What is RDP?
>>>
>>> Would it be possible to install Linux on the Samsung chromebook?
>>> I've read that it is being done on the Acer C7 chromebook.
>>>
>>> Or could one boot Linux from a USB flash stick on the Samsung?
>>>
>>>
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Michael Butash]

I haven't looked to see if the bootloader is unlockable on the 
chromebooks, but otherwise if so, it's really not typically "risky". 
I've been romming/unlocking phones since winmo3/pre/early androids and 
never bricked a device that wasn't recoverable via a factory recovery 
means.  Samsung is decent about providing unlock capability, so I would 
expect it is or will be unlockable by end-users as most of their modern 
devices are.


Finding a rom that works on it, maybe not so much.  Canonical ported an 
ubuntu to the nexus7, and later the gnex as ubuntu phone, but it's a 
matter of getting the system working with still somewhat irregular 
hardware quirks in each, including x with capable drivers for direct 
render hardware acceleration and multitouch.  Native ubuntu on arm 
phone-ish devices is still a WIP.


More easily you can usually get ubuntu to run externally atop the 
android kernel, and there's an app to guide you through setting it up in 
SD on play for ubuntu 10.04, 12.04, or backtrack5.  I had 12.04 on my 
gnex for a bit, and would vnc to the desktop for use.  A bit kludgy, but 
gave me some decent usability aside from unity itself being a pig and 
slowing the entire phone down.  LXDE is a much better route I'd heard, 
but never got to try.


I'm trying to find some time to set up ubuntu over android on my 
transformer prime infinity with the keyboard dock to see how my mileage 
is with it, but hit some quirks of cyanogenmod 10.1 on it.


-mb


On 01/14/2013 09:01 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:

The samsung chromebook runs a dual-core Exynos 5 processor (smartphone/tablet 
ARM 15 chip).  It might be possible to get Linux running, but you need to get 
an ARM build.
Also, there is a secure boot feature that may prevent running anything other 
than ChromeOS on the system (absent a risky unlock procedure).
If you want to hack, then get the C7, which is far more amenable to being "repurposed"; 
the Samsung version really is intended as an "appliance" laptop.

That said, I have the Samsung Chromebook, and it's a very nice tagalong device; 
not a primary device, but very good to take with me just about anywhere I might 
want to have a real keyboard and remote access, even when I'm not sure whether 
I'll use it or not.

It's (almost) completely useless without WiFi, however (no wired port, and no 
cell option), so either have a mobile hotspot on hand or be sure there's WiFi 
available wherever it is you're going.


On 01/14/2013 05:40 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

Stephen wrote:

... [chromebooks] are 100% purpose built to run just a browser.
Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal
of functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my
favorites of these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC
clients as well.


What is RDP?

Would it be possible to install Linux on the Samsung chromebook?
I've read that it is being done on the Acer C7 chromebook.

Or could one boot Linux from a USB flash stick on the Samsung?



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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Joseph Sinclair]

The samsung chromebook runs a dual-core Exynos 5 processor (smartphone/tablet 
ARM 15 chip).  It might be possible to get Linux running, but you need to get 
an ARM build.
Also, there is a secure boot feature that may prevent running anything other 
than ChromeOS on the system (absent a risky unlock procedure).
If you want to hack, then get the C7, which is far more amenable to being 
"repurposed"; the Samsung version really is intended as an "appliance" laptop.

That said, I have the Samsung Chromebook, and it's a very nice tagalong device; 
not a primary device, but very good to take with me just about anywhere I might 
want to have a real keyboard and remote access, even when I'm not sure whether 
I'll use it or not.

It's (almost) completely useless without WiFi, however (no wired port, and no 
cell option), so either have a mobile hotspot on hand or be sure there's WiFi 
available wherever it is you're going.


On 01/14/2013 05:40 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> ... [chromebooks] are 100% purpose built to run just a browser.
>> Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal
>> of functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my
>> favorites of these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC
>> clients as well.
> 
> What is RDP?
> 
> Would it be possible to install Linux on the Samsung chromebook?
> I've read that it is being done on the Acer C7 chromebook.
> 
> Or could one boot Linux from a USB flash stick on the Samsung?
> 
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[joe]

Stephen wrote:
> ... [chromebooks] are 100% purpose built to run just a browser.
> Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal
> of functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my
> favorites of these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC
> clients as well.

What is RDP?

Would it be possible to install Linux on the Samsung chromebook?
I've read that it is being done on the Acer C7 chromebook.

Or could one boot Linux from a USB flash stick on the Samsung?



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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Stephen]

Why wait? Mine is a quad core with 2GB ram and 11 GB of usable space. with
a couple APK's you can get Debian  arch or Ubuntu installed in a chroot
environment, and they even built an Xserver apk to connect to it for a gui
if you need it. once you have the main environment a Lamp is very easy to
do.all of this is available in the f-droid or Google application "stores"

I just have to either find or build a kernel that has loop devices enabled
for my phone, others allready support this. :-)


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM, keith smith  wrote:

>
> Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers running
> 350 plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest room in the
> house.  Now today I could use that heat, however in July and August I'll
> pass.
>
> These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or cheap
> notebooks though because you get a monitor, mouse, and keyboard with them.
> That makes them perfect for a simple LAMP server in a dev environment.  Or
> add an external monitor, keyboard, and a mouse and you have two screens you
> can use.  Not as nice as two large flat panel monitors, however not as much
> expense either.
>
> Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more powerful,
> I might just use a couple of them for my LAMP dev.
>
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Mon, 1/14/13, j...@actionline.com * wrote:
>
>
> From: j...@actionline.com 
>
> Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 3:58 PM
>
>
>
> Keith last wrote:
> > That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.
>
> I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one of which
> I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I found on
> Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I think). They run
> absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is another still available (I
> think) on Craigslist for $150:
>
> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html
>
> One is now my main computer and the second is just a clone for backup.
> I'm just now converting them both to kubuntu 12.10.
>
> For personal use (except for gamers), I can't see any benefit to big
> "towers" with 200-watt or larger power supplies any more.
>
>
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Stephen]

yes but Hulu is flash and that should work :-)


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:10 PM, James Finstrom <
jfinst...@rhinoequipment.com> wrote:

> Bought the kids the new samsung chromebooks for christmas and they love
> em... the desktop now collects dust... The ARM chromebools still don't do
> netflix but oh well...
>
> James Finstrom
> Rhino Equipment
> http://rhinoequipment.com
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> Facebook: http://facebook.com/RhinoEquipment
>
>
> ಠ_ಠ **
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:58 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> Keith last wrote:
>> > That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.
>>
>> I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one of which
>> I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I found on
>> Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I think). They run
>> absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is another still available (I
>> think) on Craigslist for $150:
>>
>> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html
>>
>> One is now my main computer and the second is just a clone for backup.
>> I'm just now converting them both to kubuntu 12.10.
>>
>> For personal use (except for gamers), I can't see any benefit to big
>> "towers" with 200-watt or larger power supplies any more.
>>
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[keith smith]

Good point.  I put my batteries in my desk drawer hoping for battery battery 
longevity.  



Keith Smith

--- On Mon, 1/14/13, Nathan England  wrote:

From: Nathan England 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 3:33 PM



#yiv1440333832 p, #yiv1440333832 li {white-space:pre-wrap;}

 
And the battery in the laptop (if you leave it in, which I typically do) works 
as a battery backup should power go out... Net tops don't have that!
 
Nathan

On Monday, January 14, 2013 14:14:42 keith smith wrote:

 




That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.  


Keith Smith

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From: Stephen 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 2:50 PM


sounds like a net top would be perfect for you then. they are a netbook without 
the keyboard battery and screen. install centos on it and leave it alone.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=nettops&Submit=ENE




On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:39 PM, keith smith  wrote:

 




I think they have more value than just browsing the web.  I am a LAMP dev.  I 
use a cheap HP Laptop as my dev server.  It is not much better than this 
Chromebook and I'm using a HP Pavilion g6 (cheap and on sale) for my 
workstation - very bottom of the line.  

For instance, a fellow PLUG member was walking me through setting up a virtual 
machine.  He was using a netbook with the Intel chip that was prior to the 
Intel Atom N455 and he was beating me.  I am running an AMD A4-3300 running at 
1.9GHtz and 4GB RAM.  I think his netbook was running at 1.3GHz and it probably 
had only 1GB RAM.  

I think these cheap Netbook are more powerful than they might seem. I would not 
use one if I were a designer because they might not have enough power.  However 
I find them to be very useful and they are cheap.  

I know they are way more powerful than my old broken down 11 year old laptop 
running a 1Ghz Celeron w/256MB RAM.  2 years ago I loaded CentOS on it and 
configured it to run as a mail server using Qmail Toaster.  It was only a test, 
however it ran just fine.  

I've been toying with configuring a Netbook as a public facing LAMP web server 
for testing. 

The Tucson Free Unix Group (TFUG) used a laptop for a couple years to serve 
their website.  Not for an active website, however it worked just find.  AND it 
served the mailing list.

For me the computer is waiting most of the time for me to type so these small 
cheap computers work well.  If I were compiling C or C++ all the time I would 
want something substantially faster, however I am not.     

Anyone else using Netbooks or cheap laptops in a production environment?     


Keith Smith

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From: Stephen 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 12:02 PM


The Pros are its cost/performance. They generally run very well for what they 
do. The battery life is pretty good also.
The cons you cannot fall back to Firefox for sites that will not allow chrome, 
and you are using a small net-book that is 100% purpose built to run just a 
browser. 


Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal of 
functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my favorites of 
these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC clients as well. so in a 
pinch you can remote someplace and get something done.. 



On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM,  wrote:


Thanks for sharing this, Keith.
Seems like a Chromebook might be excellent for travel.
One can readily see some good "pros" ... what are the "cons"?

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_acer_c710&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-gdn-acer&utm_medium=ha

How superior is Intel Atom N455 dual core performance than Intel Celeron
dual core?

Seems like the Samsung Chromebook at $249 is better in a lot of ways.
Longer battery life and perhaps better construction.




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[keith smith]

Heat is one of the main reasons I went to laptops.  I had 2 towers running 350 
plus watt power supplies.  My office was the hottest room in the house.  Now 
today I could use that heat, however in July and August I'll pass.  

These net top computers are cool. I still like the netbooks or cheap notebooks 
though because you get a monitor, mouse, and keyboard with them.  That makes 
them perfect for a simple LAMP server in a dev environment.  Or add an external 
monitor, keyboard, and a mouse and you have two screens you can use.  Not as 
nice as two large flat panel monitors, however not as much expense either.  

Once in a while I make the joke that if smart phones become more powerful, I 
might just use a couple of them for my LAMP dev.  




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Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 3:58 PM


Keith last wrote:
> That would work, however they cost more than a netbook. 

I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one of which
I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I found on
Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I think). They run
absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is another still available (I
think) on Craigslist for $150:

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html

One is now my main computer and the second is just a clone for backup.
I'm just now converting them both to kubuntu 12.10.

For personal use (except for gamers), I can't see any benefit to big
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[James Finstrom]

Bought the kids the new samsung chromebooks for christmas and they love
em... the desktop now collects dust... The ARM chromebools still don't do
netflix but oh well...

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:58 PM,  wrote:

>
> Keith last wrote:
> > That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.
>
> I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one of which
> I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I found on
> Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I think). They run
> absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is another still available (I
> think) on Craigslist for $150:
>
> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html
>
> One is now my main computer and the second is just a clone for backup.
> I'm just now converting them both to kubuntu 12.10.
>
> For personal use (except for gamers), I can't see any benefit to big
> "towers" with 200-watt or larger power supplies any more.
>
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[joe]

Keith last wrote:
> That would work, however they cost more than a netbook. 

I have replaced my older "tower" computers with two of these, one of which
I bought new for $349 a couple years ago, and the other I found on
Craigslist for $150. They use only 8-watts of power (I think). They run
absolutely silent and never get hot. Here is another still available (I
think) on Craigslist for $150:

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sys/3467164583.html

One is now my main computer and the second is just a clone for backup.
I'm just now converting them both to kubuntu 12.10.

For personal use (except for gamers), I can't see any benefit to big
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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Nathan England]

And the battery in the laptop (if you leave it in, which I typically do) works 
as a battery backup should power go out... Net tops don't have that!

Nathan

On Monday, January 14, 2013 14:14:42 keith smith wrote:



That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.  


Keith Smith

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From: Stephen 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 2:50 PM


sounds like a net top would be perfect for you then. they are a netbook 
without the keyboard battery and screen. install centos on it and leave it 
alone.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=nettops&Submit=ENE




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I think they have more value than just browsing the web.  I am a LAMP dev.  I 
use a cheap HP Laptop as my dev server.  It is not much better than this 
Chromebook and I'm using a HP Pavilion g6 (cheap and on sale) for my 
workstation - very bottom of the line.  

For instance, a fellow PLUG member was walking me through setting up a virtual 
machine.  He was using a netbook with the Intel chip that was prior to the 
Intel Atom N455 and he was beating me.  I am running an AMD A4-3300 running at 
1.9GHtz and 4GB RAM.  I think his netbook was running at 1.3GHz and it 
probably had only 1GB RAM.  

I think these cheap Netbook are more powerful than they might seem. I would 
not use one if I were a designer because they might not have enough power.  
However I find them to be very useful and they are cheap.  

I know they are way more powerful than my old broken down 11 year old laptop 
running a 1Ghz Celeron w/256MB RAM.  2 years ago I loaded CentOS on it and 
configured it to run as a mail server using Qmail Toaster.  It was only a 
test, however it ran just fine.  

I've been toying with configuring a Netbook as a public facing LAMP web server 
for testing. 

The Tucson Free Unix Group (TFUG) used a laptop for a couple years to serve 
their website.  Not for an active website, however it worked just find.  AND 
it served the mailing list.

For me the computer is waiting most of the time for me to type so these small 
cheap computers work well.  If I were compiling C or C++ all the time I would 
want something substantially faster, however I am not. 

Anyone else using Netbooks or cheap laptops in a production environment? 


Keith Smith

--- On Mon, 1/14/13, Stephen  wrote:


From: Stephen 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 12:02 PM


The Pros are its cost/performance. They generally run very well for what they 
do. The battery life is pretty good also.
The cons you cannot fall back to Firefox for sites that will not allow chrome, 
and you are using a small net-book that is 100% purpose built to run just a 
browser. 


Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal of 
functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my favorites of 
these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC clients as well. so in a 
pinch you can remote someplace and get something done.. 



On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM,  wrote:


Thanks for sharing this, Keith.
Seems like a Chromebook might be excellent for travel.
One can readily see some good "pros" ... what are the "cons"?

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_acer_c710&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-
ha-na-us-gdn-acer&utm_medium=ha

How superior is Intel Atom N455 dual core performance than Intel Celeron
dual core?

Seems like the Samsung Chromebook at $249 is better in a lot of ways.
Longer battery life and perhaps better construction.




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That would work, however they cost more than a netbook.  



Keith Smith

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From: Stephen 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 2:50 PM

sounds like a net top would be perfect for you then. they are a netbook without 
the keyboard battery and screen. install centos on it and leave it alone.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=nettops&Submit=ENE




On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:39 PM, keith smith  wrote:



I think they have more value than just browsing the web.  I am a LAMP dev.  I 
use a cheap HP Laptop as my dev server.  It is not much better than this 
Chromebook and I'm using a HP Pavilion g6 (cheap and on sale) for my 
workstation - very bottom of the line.  



For instance, a fellow PLUG member was walking me through setting up a virtual 
machine.  He was using a netbook with the Intel chip that was prior to the 
Intel Atom N455 and he was beating me.  I am running an AMD A4-3300 running at 
1.9GHtz and 4GB RAM.  I think his netbook was running at 1.3GHz and it probably 
had only 1GB RAM.  



I think these cheap Netbook are more powerful than they might seem. I would not 
use one if I were a designer because they might not have enough power.  However 
I find them to be very useful and they are cheap. 
 

I know they are way more powerful than my old broken down 11 year old laptop 
running a 1Ghz Celeron w/256MB RAM.  2 years ago I loaded CentOS on it and 
configured it to run as a mail server using Qmail Toaster.  It was only a test, 
however it ran just fine.  



I've been toying with configuring a Netbook as a public facing LAMP web server 
for testing. 

The Tucson Free Unix Group (TFUG) used a laptop for a couple years to serve 
their website.  Not for an active website, however it worked just find.  AND it 
served the mailing list.



For me the computer is waiting most of the time for me to type so these small 
cheap computers work well.  If I were compiling C or C++ all the time I would 
want something substantially faster, however I am not.     



Anyone else using Netbooks or cheap laptops in a production environment?     



Keith Smith

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From: Stephen 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 


Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 12:02 PM

The Pros are its cost/performance. They generally run very well for what they 
do. The battery life is pretty good also.The cons you cannot fall back to 
Firefox for sites that will not allow chrome, and you are using a small 
net-book that is 100% purpose built to run just a browser.




Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal of 
functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my favorites of 
these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC clients as well. so in a 
pinch you can remote someplace and get something done..





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Thanks for sharing this, Keith.

Seems like a Chromebook might be excellent for travel.

One can readily see some good "pros" ... what are the "cons"?



https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_acer_c710&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-gdn-acer&utm_medium=ha







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dual core?



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Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[Stephen]

sounds like a net top would be perfect for you then. they are a netbook
without the keyboard battery and screen. install centos on it and leave it
alone.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=nettops&Submit=ENE


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:39 PM, keith smith  wrote:

>
> I think they have more value than just browsing the web.  I am a LAMP
> dev.  I use a cheap HP Laptop as my dev server.  It is not much better than
> this Chromebook and I'm using a HP Pavilion g6 (cheap and on sale) for my
> workstation - very bottom of the line.
>
> For instance, a fellow PLUG member was walking me through setting up a
> virtual machine.  He was using a netbook with the Intel chip that was prior
> to the Intel Atom N455 and he was beating me.  I am running an AMD A4-3300
> running at 1.9GHtz and 4GB RAM.  I think his netbook was running at 1.3GHz
> and it probably had only 1GB RAM.
>
> I think these cheap Netbook are more powerful than they might seem. I
> would not use one if I were a designer because they might not have enough
> power.  However I find them to be very useful and they are cheap.
>
> I know they are way more powerful than my old broken down 11 year old
> laptop running a 1Ghz Celeron w/256MB RAM.  2 years ago I loaded CentOS on
> it and configured it to run as a mail server using Qmail Toaster.  It was
> only a test, however it ran just fine.
>
> I've been toying with configuring a Netbook as a public facing LAMP web
> server for testing.
>
> The Tucson Free Unix Group (TFUG) used a laptop for a couple years to
> serve their website.  Not for an active website, however it worked just
> find.  AND it served the mailing list.
>
> For me the computer is waiting most of the time for me to type so these
> small cheap computers work well.  If I were compiling C or C++ all the time
> I would want something substantially faster, however I am not.
>
> Anyone else using Netbooks or cheap laptops in a production environment?
>
>
> --------
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>
> --- On *Mon, 1/14/13, Stephen * wrote:
>
>
> From: Stephen 
> Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 12:02 PM
>
> The Pros are its cost/performance. They generally run very well for what
> they do. The battery life is pretty good also.
> The cons you cannot fall back to Firefox for sites that will not allow
> chrome, and you are using a small net-book that is 100% purpose built to
> run just a browser.
>
> Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal of
> functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my favorites of
> these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC clients as well. so in a
> pinch you can remote someplace and get something done..
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM, 
> http://mc/compose?to=j...@actionline.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for sharing this, Keith.
> Seems like a Chromebook might be excellent for travel.
> One can readily see some good "pros" ... what are the "cons"?
>
>
> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_acer_c710&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-gdn-acer&utm_medium=ha
>
> How superior is Intel Atom N455 dual core performance than Intel Celeron
> dual core?
>
> Seems like the Samsung Chromebook at $249 is better in a lot of ways.
> Longer battery life and perhaps better construction.
>
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[keith smith]

I think they have more value than just browsing the web.  I am a LAMP dev.  I 
use a cheap HP Laptop as my dev server.  It is not much better than this 
Chromebook and I'm using a HP Pavilion g6 (cheap and on sale) for my 
workstation - very bottom of the line.  

For instance, a fellow PLUG member was walking me through setting up a virtual 
machine.  He was using a netbook with the Intel chip that was prior to the 
Intel Atom N455 and he was beating me.  I am running an AMD A4-3300 running at 
1.9GHtz and 4GB RAM.  I think his netbook was running at 1.3GHz and it probably 
had only 1GB RAM.  

I think these cheap Netbook are more powerful than they might seem. I would not 
use one if I were a designer because they might not have enough power.  However 
I find them to be very useful and they are cheap.  

I know they are way more powerful than my old broken down 11 year old laptop 
running a 1Ghz Celeron w/256MB RAM.  2 years ago I loaded CentOS on it and 
configured it to run as a mail server using Qmail Toaster.  It was only a test, 
however it ran just fine.  

I've been toying with configuring a Netbook as a public facing LAMP web server 
for testing. 

The Tucson Free Unix Group (TFUG) used a laptop for a couple years to serve 
their website.  Not for an active website, however it worked just find.  AND it 
served the mailing list.

For me the computer is waiting most of the time for me to type so these small 
cheap computers work well.  If I were compiling C or C++ all the time I would 
want something substantially faster, however I am not.     

Anyone else using Netbooks or cheap laptops in a production environment?     



Keith Smith

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From: Stephen 
Subject: Re: Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, January 14, 2013, 12:02 PM

The Pros are its cost/performance. They generally run very well for what they 
do. The battery life is pretty good also.The cons you cannot fall back to 
Firefox for sites that will not allow chrome, and you are using a small 
net-book that is 100% purpose built to run just a browser.


Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal of 
functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my favorites of 
these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC clients as well. so in a 
pinch you can remote someplace and get something done..



On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM,   wrote:




Thanks for sharing this, Keith.

Seems like a Chromebook might be excellent for travel.

One can readily see some good "pros" ... what are the "cons"?



https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_acer_c710&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-gdn-acer&utm_medium=ha





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dual core?



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[Stephen]

The Pros are its cost/performance. They generally run very well for what
they do. The battery life is pretty good also.
The cons you cannot fall back to Firefox for sites that will not allow
chrome, and you are using a small net-book that is 100% purpose built to
run just a browser.

Within that there are a number of tools giving you a great deal of
functionality inside the chrome browser as a plugin. One of my favorites of
these is an SSH client. they also have RDP and VNC clients as well. so in a
pinch you can remote someplace and get something done..


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM,  wrote:

>
> Thanks for sharing this, Keith.
> Seems like a Chromebook might be excellent for travel.
> One can readily see some good "pros" ... what are the "cons"?
>
>
> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_acer_c710&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-gdn-acer&utm_medium=ha
>
> How superior is Intel Atom N455 dual core performance than Intel Celeron
> dual core?
>
> Seems like the Samsung Chromebook at $249 is better in a lot of ways.
> Longer battery life and perhaps better construction.
>
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rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

Stephen
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Has anyone here tried a Chromebook?

[joe]

Thanks for sharing this, Keith.
Seems like a Chromebook might be excellent for travel.
One can readily see some good "pros" ... what are the "cons"?

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_acer_c710&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-gdn-acer&utm_medium=ha

How superior is Intel Atom N455 dual core performance than Intel Celeron
dual core?

Seems like the Samsung Chromebook at $249 is better in a lot of ways.
Longer battery life and perhaps better construction.




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