Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-02 Thread Bob Elzer
Go to a free WiFi hotspot, create a new gmail account. Send your neighbor
an email explaining what you told us. Say you heard it from someone at the
HOA
Now your neighbor knows they are on to  him, if he proceeds, and he is in
the wrong, then it's his own fault.

Email sent contains the IP address from where it is sent, so don't connect
to the new one from your house.

And don't use your real name as the new email address or he will figure out
it is you. :-P

This way you haven't done any thing illegal and haven't misrepresented
yourself as the HOA.
 On Apr 30, 2015 3:19 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

 Every day, I receive email messages sent to me from fake sender email
 addresses, even spam garbage supposedly sent to me from my own email
 address.  How do they do that?

 While I have never done this before, I now have a need to do send an
 email completely anonymously (preferably using our homeowner association
 email address ;) and would like to know how this can be done safely and
 not illegally.

 To briefly explain, we have a neighbor who has poured the foundation to
 build a structure in his back yard (without obtaining a building permit)
 and if he should proceed, this non-compliant structure will cause him
 even greater expense and hardship if he is not prevented from proceeding.
 The size of the foundation makes it very obvious that the structure is
 not in compliance with either city building codes or HOA requirements.

 Needless to say, we want to avoid causing hard feelings with our
 neighbor, so we would like to be able to alert the city authorities
 *anonymously* in order to protect our neighbor from continuing and ending
 up with very costly consequences.

 Regrettably, our home owner's association has taken the position that
 they will indeed take the necessary corrective actions, including
 notifying the city building code department, once the building is built
 and visible from the street; however, they say that they will not take
 any action until the building is built and a visible violation has
 actually been committed.  How stupid is that?

 So, my question is, how can I send an email to the city building code
 enforcement department to alert them of the homeowner's failure to obtain
 a building permit so that the email will appear to be from our homeowner
 association?

 I have already spoken to them by phone, but they will not take any action
 until they receive a formal complaint via their online input form which
 requires submitting the name and contact information of whoever is filing
 the complaint.  They say that such reports are best and usually filed by
 HOAs and not by neighbors, to avoid needless conflicts.

 Obviously, I could just wait until my neighbor has spent all the money to
 build the structure and then have a prolonged legal action to force him
 to tear it down, but how much better to protect him from all that
 needless pain and expense?



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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-02 Thread joe
Another excellent and very helpful idea.

Exactly answers my original question.
How to it safely and legally.
No harm, no foul.

Thanks Bob.

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 Go to a free WiFi hotspot, create a new gmail account.
 Send your neighbor an email explaining what you told us.
 Say you heard it from someone at the HOA
 Now your neighbor knows they are on to  him, if he proceeds,
 and he is in the wrong, then it's his own fault.

 Email sent contains the IP address from where it is sent,
 so don't connect to the new one from your house.

 And don't use your real name as the new email address
 or he will figure out it is you. :-P

 This way you haven't done any thing illegal and haven't
 misrepresented yourself as the HOA.



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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-02 Thread joe
Excellent idea, Sean.

Don't know why I didn't think of that.


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 You're thinking way too hard about this.



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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-01 Thread sean
Leave a note on his door and call it a day. You're thinking way too
hard about this.

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM,  j...@actionline.com wrote:
 Thanks for all the comments.

 Just to clarify, the action that I had thought of taking would not have
 been meddling in my neighbor's affairs.

 So, what is the best approach to take if you know a complete stranger is
 about to break the law, but has not yet done so?

 Just ignore it?  Or should one at least try to take some constructive
 action to make him aware of the building code requirements?  What should
 one do when the appropriate responsible authorities decline or refuse to
 take any action until *after* an imminent (and costly) violation has
 actually been implemented?

 Mesa city building codes require a building permit for any structure
 larger than 200 sq ft, taller than 10-ft, and if there will be any
 electrical or plumbing. The neighbor has poured a foundation for a
 structure more than twice that size ... without a building permit.

 If a next-door neighbor is someone I know, I would not hesitate to speak
 directly to him or her.  However, one of the very strange things (to me)
 is all these concrete walls that seem to be in most Arizona
 neighborhoods.  I have lived in 6 or 8 different states and never before
 have I ever seen or heard of concrete walls separating neighbors in any
 of the other places that I have ever lived.

 Yet because of these ubiquitous concrete walls, I doubt that very many
 people get acquainted with their neighbors on the opposite side of a
 concrete back-fence wall.

 How sad that city building code inspectors (and this HOA) refuses to be
 more pro-active and helpful.



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 Is there an actual reason to meddle in your neighbor's
 affairs? Even if it were ostensibly for his own good,
 I do not see any need to interfere with anyone doing
 anything which does not harm myself or others in any
 meaningful way.

 If there is some underlying beef between you and your
 neighbor, I would advise a focus on living your own life
 well. It's a more satisfying form of revenge.

 There is no underlying beef and no beef of any kind
 at all, and I certainly do not have any revenge motive.



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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-01 Thread joe
Thanks for all the comments.

Just to clarify, the action that I had thought of taking would not have
been meddling in my neighbor's affairs.

So, what is the best approach to take if you know a complete stranger is
about to break the law, but has not yet done so?

Just ignore it?  Or should one at least try to take some constructive
action to make him aware of the building code requirements?  What should
one do when the appropriate responsible authorities decline or refuse to
take any action until *after* an imminent (and costly) violation has
actually been implemented?

Mesa city building codes require a building permit for any structure
larger than 200 sq ft, taller than 10-ft, and if there will be any
electrical or plumbing. The neighbor has poured a foundation for a
structure more than twice that size ... without a building permit.

If a next-door neighbor is someone I know, I would not hesitate to speak
directly to him or her.  However, one of the very strange things (to me)
is all these concrete walls that seem to be in most Arizona
neighborhoods.  I have lived in 6 or 8 different states and never before
have I ever seen or heard of concrete walls separating neighbors in any
of the other places that I have ever lived.

Yet because of these ubiquitous concrete walls, I doubt that very many
people get acquainted with their neighbors on the opposite side of a
concrete back-fence wall.

How sad that city building code inspectors (and this HOA) refuses to be
more pro-active and helpful.



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 Is there an actual reason to meddle in your neighbor's
 affairs? Even if it were ostensibly for his own good,
 I do not see any need to interfere with anyone doing
 anything which does not harm myself or others in any
 meaningful way.

 If there is some underlying beef between you and your
 neighbor, I would advise a focus on living your own life
 well. It's a more satisfying form of revenge.

There is no underlying beef and no beef of any kind
at all, and I certainly do not have any revenge motive.



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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-01 Thread Keith Smith



Your concrete wall statement made me think of a time when a guy rented a 
trailer to a person who was on the move. The trailer owner had no 
infrastructure to manage renting trailers. He had only one thing, the 
good will and honesty of his fellow Americans.  Uhaul was built on the 
good will and integrity of American business men. The trailer would make 
it's way to it's destination and be dropped off at a gas station, I 
presume with a note telling the gas station owner to rent the trailer 
and send part of the fees back to the owner.


I remember being 5 or 6 and wanting to go to the neighbor's house on a 
Sunday.  My mother told that was not the thing to do because Sunday was 
family day.


Our country has changed. We have lost the sense of community I'm as 
guilty as anyone.  I belong to a couple groups and that is my community.


I miss the good 'ol days.  And a time when muscle cars where plentiful 
and cheap!!



On 2015-05-01 17:55, j...@actionline.com wrote:

Thanks for all the comments.

Just to clarify, the action that I had thought of taking would not have
been meddling in my neighbor's affairs.

So, what is the best approach to take if you know a complete stranger 
is

about to break the law, but has not yet done so?

Just ignore it?  Or should one at least try to take some constructive
action to make him aware of the building code requirements?  What 
should
one do when the appropriate responsible authorities decline or refuse 
to

take any action until *after* an imminent (and costly) violation has
actually been implemented?

Mesa city building codes require a building permit for any structure
larger than 200 sq ft, taller than 10-ft, and if there will be any
electrical or plumbing. The neighbor has poured a foundation for a
structure more than twice that size ... without a building permit.

If a next-door neighbor is someone I know, I would not hesitate to 
speak
directly to him or her.  However, one of the very strange things (to 
me)

is all these concrete walls that seem to be in most Arizona
neighborhoods.  I have lived in 6 or 8 different states and never 
before

have I ever seen or heard of concrete walls separating neighbors in any
of the other places that I have ever lived.

Yet because of these ubiquitous concrete walls, I doubt that very many
people get acquainted with their neighbors on the opposite side of a
concrete back-fence wall.

How sad that city building code inspectors (and this HOA) refuses to be
more pro-active and helpful.



--

Is there an actual reason to meddle in your neighbor's
affairs? Even if it were ostensibly for his own good,
I do not see any need to interfere with anyone doing
anything which does not harm myself or others in any
meaningful way.

If there is some underlying beef between you and your
neighbor, I would advise a focus on living your own life
well. It's a more satisfying form of revenge.


There is no underlying beef and no beef of any kind
at all, and I certainly do not have any revenge motive.



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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-01 Thread James Dugger
Sorry there is no safe legal way to miss represent your HOA (a legal
entity regulated by the State Corporation Commision) to a city (a
jurisdictional agency with a state charter).

Ironically you would be in violation of actual State Laws with severe
penalties, where as your neighboor at worst is only in violation of a city
ordinance. Your action would be a felony, his is barely a misdemeanor.

On May 1, 2015 7:01 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 you may wnt to warn him that cities do you satelite imaging. I have a
friend who put a pool in, the next year his property tax increased because
of the pool.

 :-)~MIKE~(-:

 On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Keith Smith techli...@phpcoderusa.com
wrote:

 On 2015-04-30 20:05, JD Austin wrote:

 I think Victor is on the right track..
  Hey.. I heard through the grapevine that someone already complained
 to the the HOA and they're just waiting for you to FINISH what you're
 doing in the backyard before they come down on you along with the city
 code enforcement people. I wanted you to know before you wasted a ton
 of money doing whatever you're doing over there so you can get the
 right permits/etc while you can.

 ​​​



 This is a no win situation.  You tell him you heard it through the
grapevine and he will wonder who is talking about him and his business.
And more so how you know all these details.



 On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Victor Odhner vodh...@cox.net
 wrote:

 Why don’t you just play it straight? The old “don’t tell
 others, tell us!” policy.

 Do you think your neighbor would hate you if you mentioned that
 you’d heard of people losing a bundle because they had to tear out
 a non-compliant structure? I’m presuming that your motive really
 is for them to be spared a major hassle. You could embellish a
 little, “A friend of mine really got beat up by the licensing
 people because he screwed up on some stupid details . . . “.

 On Apr 30, 2015, at 16:00:40, Keith Smith
 techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:

 On 2015-04-30 15:19, j...@actionline.com wrote:

 Every day, I receive email messages sent to me from fake sender

 email

 addresses, even spam garbage supposedly sent to me from my own

 email

 address.  How do they do that?
 While I have never done this before, I now have a need to do send

 an

 email completely anonymously (preferably using our homeowner

 association

 email address ;) and would like to know how this can be done

 safely and

 not illegally.
 To briefly explain, we have a neighbor who has poured the

 foundation to

 build a structure in his back yard (without obtaining a building

 permit)

 and if he should proceed, this non-compliant structure will cause

 him

 even greater expense and hardship if he is not prevented from

 proceeding.

 The size of the foundation makes it very obvious that the

 structure is

 not in compliance with either city building codes or HOA

 requirements.

 Needless to say, we want to avoid causing hard feelings with our
 neighbor, so we would like to be able to alert the city

 authorities

 *anonymously* in order to protect our neighbor from continuing

 and ending

 up with very costly consequences.
 Regrettably, our home owner's association has taken the position

 that

 they will indeed take the necessary corrective actions, including
 notifying the city building code department, once the building is

 built

 and visible from the street; however, they say that they will not

 take

 any action until the building is built and a visible violation

 has

 actually been committed.  How stupid is that?


 Is it against your HOA's CCR's to pour a slab in the back yard of
 your house?  Probably not.  If not the HOA would not have a leg to
 stand on.  Once a structure is visable even if it is just the frame
 it probably will then fall under your HOA's jurisdiction.

 I would assume city code requires a permit to lay down concrete for
 any use.  At this point it is probably a city issue.

 So, my question is, how can I send an email to the city building

 code

 enforcement department to alert them of the homeowner's failure

 to obtain

 a building permit so that the email will appear to be from our

 homeowner

 association?
 I have already spoken to them by phone, but they will not take

 any action

 until they receive a formal complaint via their online input

 form which

 requires submitting the name and contact information of whoever

 is filing

 the complaint.  They say that such reports are best and usually

 filed by

 HOAs and not by neighbors, to avoid needless conflicts.
 Obviously, I could just wait until my neighbor has spent all the

 money to

 build the structure and then have a prolonged legal action to

 force him

 to tear it down, but how much better to protect him from all that
 needless pain and expense?


 I would never spoof an email.  Who knows where that can lead.
 They will be able to track it back to you anyway, unless you really
 get fancy.

 

Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-01 Thread Richard Daggett
I am one of the people you talk about in this thread, but I used the rules
on my side.

Most cities (Phoenix), the pad does not matter.

Any free standing building more then 6 feet from property line and any
other structure that is under 100 sq feet roof does not need a permit.
Each city is different and you would need to check codes for your city.

If they build below fence line, HOA does not have a say.

So maybe you should talk with your neighbor and ask what he is making.  It
could just be a pad for patio set.

Richard

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 8:05 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote:

 I think Victor is on the right track..
  Hey.. I heard through the grapevine that someone already complained to
 the the HOA and they're just waiting for you to FINISH what you're doing in
 the backyard before they come down on you along with the city code
 enforcement people. I wanted you to know before you wasted a ton of money
 doing whatever you're doing over there so you can get the right permits/etc
 while you can.

 ​​
 ​


 On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Victor Odhner vodh...@cox.net wrote:

 Why don’t you just play it straight? The old “don’t tell others, tell
 us!” policy.

 Do you think your neighbor would hate you if you mentioned that you’d
 heard of people losing a bundle because they had to tear out a
 non-compliant structure? I’m presuming that your motive really is for them
 to be spared a major hassle. You could embellish a little, “A friend of
 mine really got beat up by the licensing people because he screwed up on
 some stupid details . . . “.

 On Apr 30, 2015, at 16:00:40, Keith Smith techli...@phpcoderusa.com
 wrote:

 On 2015-04-30 15:19, j...@actionline.com wrote:
  Every day, I receive email messages sent to me from fake sender email
  addresses, even spam garbage supposedly sent to me from my own email
  address.  How do they do that?
  While I have never done this before, I now have a need to do send an
  email completely anonymously (preferably using our homeowner association
  email address ;) and would like to know how this can be done safely and
  not illegally.
  To briefly explain, we have a neighbor who has poured the foundation to
  build a structure in his back yard (without obtaining a building permit)
  and if he should proceed, this non-compliant structure will cause him
  even greater expense and hardship if he is not prevented from
 proceeding.
  The size of the foundation makes it very obvious that the structure is
  not in compliance with either city building codes or HOA requirements.
  Needless to say, we want to avoid causing hard feelings with our
  neighbor, so we would like to be able to alert the city authorities
  *anonymously* in order to protect our neighbor from continuing and
 ending
  up with very costly consequences.
  Regrettably, our home owner's association has taken the position that
  they will indeed take the necessary corrective actions, including
  notifying the city building code department, once the building is built
  and visible from the street; however, they say that they will not take
  any action until the building is built and a visible violation has
  actually been committed.  How stupid is that?


 Is it against your HOA's CCR's to pour a slab in the back yard of your
 house?  Probably not.  If not the HOA would not have a leg to stand on.
 Once a structure is visable even if it is just the frame it probably will
 then fall under your HOA's jurisdiction.

 I would assume city code requires a permit to lay down concrete for any
 use.  At this point it is probably a city issue.


  So, my question is, how can I send an email to the city building code
  enforcement department to alert them of the homeowner's failure to
 obtain
  a building permit so that the email will appear to be from our homeowner
  association?
  I have already spoken to them by phone, but they will not take any
 action
  until they receive a formal complaint via their online input form
 which
  requires submitting the name and contact information of whoever is
 filing
  the complaint.  They say that such reports are best and usually filed by
  HOAs and not by neighbors, to avoid needless conflicts.
  Obviously, I could just wait until my neighbor has spent all the money
 to
  build the structure and then have a prolonged legal action to force him
  to tear it down, but how much better to protect him from all that
  needless pain and expense?


 I would never spoof an email.  Who knows where that can lead.  They will
 be able to track it back to you anyway, unless you really get fancy.


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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-01 Thread Michael Havens
you know how you could do is send him a letter w/o a return address.

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Bob Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:

 On Fri, May 01, 2015 at 02:47:42PM -0400, Sam Kreimeyer wrote:
  Is there an actual reason to meddle in your neighbor's affairs? Even if
 it
  were ostensibly for his own good, I do not see any need to interfere with
  anyone doing anything which does not harm myself or others in any
  meaningful way.
 
  If there is some underlying beef between you and your neighbor, I would
  advise a focus on living your own life well. It's a more satisfying form
 of
  revenge.

 You beat me to it.

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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-01 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Fri, May 01, 2015 at 02:47:42PM -0400, Sam Kreimeyer wrote:
 Is there an actual reason to meddle in your neighbor's affairs? Even if it
 were ostensibly for his own good, I do not see any need to interfere with
 anyone doing anything which does not harm myself or others in any
 meaningful way.
 
 If there is some underlying beef between you and your neighbor, I would
 advise a focus on living your own life well. It's a more satisfying form of
 revenge.

You beat me to it.

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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-05-01 Thread Sam Kreimeyer
Is there an actual reason to meddle in your neighbor's affairs? Even if it
were ostensibly for his own good, I do not see any need to interfere with
anyone doing anything which does not harm myself or others in any
meaningful way.

If there is some underlying beef between you and your neighbor, I would
advise a focus on living your own life well. It's a more satisfying form of
revenge.

Regards,
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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-04-30 Thread Victor Odhner
Why don’t you just play it straight? The old “don’t tell others, tell us!” 
policy.

Do you think your neighbor would hate you if you mentioned that you’d heard of 
people losing a bundle because they had to tear out a non-compliant structure? 
I’m presuming that your motive really is for them to be spared a major hassle. 
You could embellish a little, “A friend of mine really got beat up by the 
licensing people because he screwed up on some stupid details . . . “.

On Apr 30, 2015, at 16:00:40, Keith Smith techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote:

On 2015-04-30 15:19, j...@actionline.com wrote:
 Every day, I receive email messages sent to me from fake sender email
 addresses, even spam garbage supposedly sent to me from my own email
 address.  How do they do that?
 While I have never done this before, I now have a need to do send an
 email completely anonymously (preferably using our homeowner association
 email address ;) and would like to know how this can be done safely and
 not illegally.
 To briefly explain, we have a neighbor who has poured the foundation to
 build a structure in his back yard (without obtaining a building permit)
 and if he should proceed, this non-compliant structure will cause him
 even greater expense and hardship if he is not prevented from proceeding.
 The size of the foundation makes it very obvious that the structure is
 not in compliance with either city building codes or HOA requirements.
 Needless to say, we want to avoid causing hard feelings with our
 neighbor, so we would like to be able to alert the city authorities
 *anonymously* in order to protect our neighbor from continuing and ending
 up with very costly consequences.
 Regrettably, our home owner's association has taken the position that
 they will indeed take the necessary corrective actions, including
 notifying the city building code department, once the building is built
 and visible from the street; however, they say that they will not take
 any action until the building is built and a visible violation has
 actually been committed.  How stupid is that?


Is it against your HOA's CCR's to pour a slab in the back yard of your house?  
Probably not.  If not the HOA would not have a leg to stand on.  Once a 
structure is visable even if it is just the frame it probably will then fall 
under your HOA's jurisdiction.

I would assume city code requires a permit to lay down concrete for any use.  
At this point it is probably a city issue.


 So, my question is, how can I send an email to the city building code
 enforcement department to alert them of the homeowner's failure to obtain
 a building permit so that the email will appear to be from our homeowner
 association?
 I have already spoken to them by phone, but they will not take any action
 until they receive a formal complaint via their online input form which
 requires submitting the name and contact information of whoever is filing
 the complaint.  They say that such reports are best and usually filed by
 HOAs and not by neighbors, to avoid needless conflicts.
 Obviously, I could just wait until my neighbor has spent all the money to
 build the structure and then have a prolonged legal action to force him
 to tear it down, but how much better to protect him from all that
 needless pain and expense?


I would never spoof an email.  Who knows where that can lead.  They will be 
able to track it back to you anyway, unless you really get fancy.


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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-04-30 Thread JD Austin
I think Victor is on the right track..
 Hey.. I heard through the grapevine that someone already complained to
the the HOA and they're just waiting for you to FINISH what you're doing in
the backyard before they come down on you along with the city code
enforcement people. I wanted you to know before you wasted a ton of money
doing whatever you're doing over there so you can get the right permits/etc
while you can.

​​
​


On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Victor Odhner vodh...@cox.net wrote:

 Why don’t you just play it straight? The old “don’t tell others, tell us!”
 policy.

 Do you think your neighbor would hate you if you mentioned that you’d
 heard of people losing a bundle because they had to tear out a
 non-compliant structure? I’m presuming that your motive really is for them
 to be spared a major hassle. You could embellish a little, “A friend of
 mine really got beat up by the licensing people because he screwed up on
 some stupid details . . . “.

 On Apr 30, 2015, at 16:00:40, Keith Smith techli...@phpcoderusa.com
 wrote:

 On 2015-04-30 15:19, j...@actionline.com wrote:
  Every day, I receive email messages sent to me from fake sender email
  addresses, even spam garbage supposedly sent to me from my own email
  address.  How do they do that?
  While I have never done this before, I now have a need to do send an
  email completely anonymously (preferably using our homeowner association
  email address ;) and would like to know how this can be done safely and
  not illegally.
  To briefly explain, we have a neighbor who has poured the foundation to
  build a structure in his back yard (without obtaining a building permit)
  and if he should proceed, this non-compliant structure will cause him
  even greater expense and hardship if he is not prevented from proceeding.
  The size of the foundation makes it very obvious that the structure is
  not in compliance with either city building codes or HOA requirements.
  Needless to say, we want to avoid causing hard feelings with our
  neighbor, so we would like to be able to alert the city authorities
  *anonymously* in order to protect our neighbor from continuing and ending
  up with very costly consequences.
  Regrettably, our home owner's association has taken the position that
  they will indeed take the necessary corrective actions, including
  notifying the city building code department, once the building is built
  and visible from the street; however, they say that they will not take
  any action until the building is built and a visible violation has
  actually been committed.  How stupid is that?


 Is it against your HOA's CCR's to pour a slab in the back yard of your
 house?  Probably not.  If not the HOA would not have a leg to stand on.
 Once a structure is visable even if it is just the frame it probably will
 then fall under your HOA's jurisdiction.

 I would assume city code requires a permit to lay down concrete for any
 use.  At this point it is probably a city issue.


  So, my question is, how can I send an email to the city building code
  enforcement department to alert them of the homeowner's failure to obtain
  a building permit so that the email will appear to be from our homeowner
  association?
  I have already spoken to them by phone, but they will not take any action
  until they receive a formal complaint via their online input form which
  requires submitting the name and contact information of whoever is filing
  the complaint.  They say that such reports are best and usually filed by
  HOAs and not by neighbors, to avoid needless conflicts.
  Obviously, I could just wait until my neighbor has spent all the money to
  build the structure and then have a prolonged legal action to force him
  to tear it down, but how much better to protect him from all that
  needless pain and expense?


 I would never spoof an email.  Who knows where that can lead.  They will
 be able to track it back to you anyway, unless you really get fancy.


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Re: OT: How to send an email anonymously ...

2015-04-30 Thread Keith Smith

On 2015-04-30 15:19, j...@actionline.com wrote:

Every day, I receive email messages sent to me from fake sender email
addresses, even spam garbage supposedly sent to me from my own email
address.  How do they do that?

While I have never done this before, I now have a need to do send an
email completely anonymously (preferably using our homeowner 
association

email address ;) and would like to know how this can be done safely and
not illegally.

To briefly explain, we have a neighbor who has poured the foundation to
build a structure in his back yard (without obtaining a building 
permit)

and if he should proceed, this non-compliant structure will cause him
even greater expense and hardship if he is not prevented from 
proceeding.

The size of the foundation makes it very obvious that the structure is
not in compliance with either city building codes or HOA requirements.

Needless to say, we want to avoid causing hard feelings with our
neighbor, so we would like to be able to alert the city authorities
*anonymously* in order to protect our neighbor from continuing and 
ending

up with very costly consequences.

Regrettably, our home owner's association has taken the position that
they will indeed take the necessary corrective actions, including
notifying the city building code department, once the building is built
and visible from the street; however, they say that they will not take
any action until the building is built and a visible violation has
actually been committed.  How stupid is that?




Is it against your HOA's CCR's to pour a slab in the back yard of your 
house?  Probably not.  If not the HOA would not have a leg to stand on.  
Once a structure is visable even if it is just the frame it probably 
will then fall under your HOA's jurisdiction.


I would assume city code requires a permit to lay down concrete for any 
use.  At this point it is probably a city issue.




So, my question is, how can I send an email to the city building code
enforcement department to alert them of the homeowner's failure to 
obtain
a building permit so that the email will appear to be from our 
homeowner

association?

I have already spoken to them by phone, but they will not take any 
action
until they receive a formal complaint via their online input form 
which
requires submitting the name and contact information of whoever is 
filing
the complaint.  They say that such reports are best and usually filed 
by

HOAs and not by neighbors, to avoid needless conflicts.

Obviously, I could just wait until my neighbor has spent all the money 
to

build the structure and then have a prolonged legal action to force him
to tear it down, but how much better to protect him from all that
needless pain and expense?





I would never spoof an email.  Who knows where that can lead.  They will 
be able to track it back to you anyway, unless you really get fancy.





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