Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
Well, imagine that... As per some recommendations, I gave a try to KDE. As usual, I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Kubuntu. And (save some pretty minor annoyances, grounded mostly on differences on how some programs 'do business') I am pretty impressed with the overall results. To the point that (so far) I would recommend Kubuntu over any other Ubuntu flavor! I may even give a try to Kmint, but then again, why bother? Or should I? What will Kmint buy that Kubuntu is not providing now? THANKS ALL!!! :) ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: I hate Unity too... And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Because my long hated (and mostly reliable) Linux Mint went out of support, I decided to go with what I hate the least: Xubuntu. But I could not burn the DVD, so I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Xubuntu. No sound... Darn... After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, I'll go Debian Xfce. So I got my trusty net-install CD and... It said that it needed 'proprietary firmware' from Realtek, but WAIT! It also said that I could install from the 'proprietary firmware DVD'! Which (of course) I could not burn either... So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Debian! :-) No sound... And not second monitor... Darn... :( After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, Mint worked before, I may as well give it a F$%#ING try (I *NEED* a box!)... Of course I could not burn the DVD So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Mint 17 Xfce. And now everything works! But I am hard headed and now I am facing years (I installed LTS) of hating MINT Gr... 3 wasted days later, and with a fully functional system that I hate, I am seriously considering to end it all and hang myself from a pumpkin tree... I warned you that it was a useless and meaningless rant! So there... ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
On 06/21/2014 12:39 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Maybe I learn something after all... I did learn to hate KDE years ago when there were so many things running under the hood that it killed all performance. Unity I just can't digest it... I'll install a KDE virtual and give it a try, I may change my mind! I think you might be pleasantly surprised. It's a whole lot faster than it used to be. For instance, it worked OK on a couple of core 2 duo laptops that I installed it on back when the laptops were new. These days it feels like it's running on a totally different machine that is significantly faster. It's definitely not the same beast that it was in the 3.5 days and far from the tragic wreck that it was in the early 4.0 days. Brian Cluff --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
It is amazing - the transformation of computers since my first exposure in 1983. My first experience was intro to computers - Fortran programming using punch cards. It was 1985 before I saw a full screen editor. In 1986 I bought a Commodore 64 that had 64kb of RAM. It was plenty powerful to automate book keeping and other useful stuff. In 87 I bought an 8088 with an upgrade to 640kb of RAM. It had two disk drives, a 14 monochrome monitor, and a 300 baud modem. I acquired a copy of dBaseIII and I was having the time of my life. The next year I bought a 20MB HD. I thought I had arrived. I am a purist in so may ways. I struggle with the business vs purist approach. I've argued in the past that it is better to spend $50 more a month on hardware than it is to spend hours each month trying to make something more efficient. From a truly business stand point it is more efficient to make up the difference by spending a little more on hardware than man hours. Case in point. I am a lamp dev. I am looking at Drupal for a future project. Most would consider Drupal bloatware. I think at a minimum it is a recourse hog. If all things were equal I would rather build the app from scratch and make it as efficient as I can. The interesting thing is I might be able to get Drupal to do what I want in half the time. That equates to a lot of savings. The cost will be that it will require a server that cost $50 more a month. It amazes me the amount of power it takes to run modern apps. My main box is an i5 with 8GB of RAM. That is a lot of power. I assume it will be viable for 7 - 10 years. Maybe in it's latter life it will not be my primary workstation, however it surely could be a test server or something along those lines. On the other hand it amazed me when I was able to build a mail server running Centos 5 and Qmailtoaster on an old laptop running a 1Ghz Celeron w/ 256MB of RAM. On 2014-06-22 00:32, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: To me bloat would be a bunch of daemons eating resources to the point of exhaustion. I installed KDE (had not done it in years) and seems to hug less resources now. Still testing... ET Dennis Kibbe writes: techli...@phpcoderusa.com writes: What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. LOL I've enjoyed it as well. Bloat is one of those words that get thrown around without really knowing what it means. (no offense to OP) If I see the word in an article I want to know how the author measures bloat. To me bloat would be code loaded into memory that is never executed. dennisk -- 27 Years 1987-2014 SDF Free Public Access UNIX System http://www.sdf.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
The most common thing I see done to save money with Linux is build a router or firewall with an old computer. The problem I have with that is the computer's power costs will exceed the cost of a band new router within just a month or two. Even if you specifically want to run a full copy of Linux and need more computing power than what you will get from a home router you can get any one of the ARM based boards that are around these days and they will sip power compared to an old computer quickly paying for their additional cost. You have to think of long term cost benefit. All too often I see programmers tell me they pick a particular language because it's quick and easy for them, adding Computers are so fast these days they have CPU and memory to burn They don't think about the tens of thousands of computers that are going to run their code and how much extra power they are going to eat in order to run it because the programmer was lazy. This country has had to build whole power plants to supply additional capacity for lazy programmers. I think thats enough random, yet oddly similar themed, thoughts for this message. Brian Cluff On 06/22/2014 07:09 AM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: It is amazing - the transformation of computers since my first exposure in 1983. My first experience was intro to computers - Fortran programming using punch cards. It was 1985 before I saw a full screen editor. In 1986 I bought a Commodore 64 that had 64kb of RAM. It was plenty powerful to automate book keeping and other useful stuff. In 87 I bought an 8088 with an upgrade to 640kb of RAM. It had two disk drives, a 14 monochrome monitor, and a 300 baud modem. I acquired a copy of dBaseIII and I was having the time of my life. The next year I bought a 20MB HD. I thought I had arrived. I am a purist in so may ways. I struggle with the business vs purist approach. I've argued in the past that it is better to spend $50 more a month on hardware than it is to spend hours each month trying to make something more efficient. From a truly business stand point it is more efficient to make up the difference by spending a little more on hardware than man hours. Case in point. I am a lamp dev. I am looking at Drupal for a future project. Most would consider Drupal bloatware. I think at a minimum it is a recourse hog. If all things were equal I would rather build the app from scratch and make it as efficient as I can. The interesting thing is I might be able to get Drupal to do what I want in half the time. That equates to a lot of savings. The cost will be that it will require a server that cost $50 more a month. It amazes me the amount of power it takes to run modern apps. My main box is an i5 with 8GB of RAM. That is a lot of power. I assume it will be viable for 7 - 10 years. Maybe in it's latter life it will not be my primary workstation, however it surely could be a test server or something along those lines. On the other hand it amazed me when I was able to build a mail server running Centos 5 and Qmailtoaster on an old laptop running a 1Ghz Celeron w/ 256MB of RAM. On 2014-06-22 00:32, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: To me bloat would be a bunch of daemons eating resources to the point of exhaustion. I installed KDE (had not done it in years) and seems to hug less resources now. Still testing... ET Dennis Kibbe writes: techli...@phpcoderusa.com writes: What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. LOL I've enjoyed it as well. Bloat is one of those words that get thrown around without really knowing what it means. (no offense to OP) If I see the word in an article I want to know how the author measures bloat. To me bloat would be code loaded into memory that is never executed. dennisk -- 27 Years 1987-2014 SDF Free Public Access UNIX System http://www.sdf.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
Sounds like you should hate DVD drives instead. On Jun 21, 2014 11:10 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I hate Unity too... And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Because my long hated (and mostly reliable) Linux Mint went out of support, I decided to go with what I hate the least: Xubuntu. But I could not burn the DVD, so I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Xubuntu. No sound... Darn... After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, I'll go Debian Xfce. So I got my trusty net-install CD and... It said that it needed 'proprietary firmware' from Realtek, but WAIT! It also said that I could install from the 'proprietary firmware DVD'! Which (of course) I could not burn either... So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Debian! :-) No sound... And not second monitor... Darn... :( After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, Mint worked before, I may as well give it a F$%#ING try (I *NEED* a box!)... Of course I could not burn the DVD So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Mint 17 Xfce. And now everything works! But I am hard headed and now I am facing years (I installed LTS) of hating MINT Gr... 3 wasted days later, and with a fully functional system that I hate, I am seriously considering to end it all and hang myself from a pumpkin tree... I warned you that it was a useless and meaningless rant! So there... ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
Sounds like you should hate DVD drives instead. Nawh, that wasn't the problem. I didn't have blank DVDs. I live in the middle of the boondocks and it is an hour-and-a-half round-trip journey to go get them. Of course that if I had known then what I know now... ET On Jun 21, 2014 11:10 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I hate Unity too... And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Because my long hated (and mostly reliable) Linux Mint went out of support, I decided to go with what I hate the least: Xubuntu. But I could not burn the DVD, so I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Xubuntu. No sound... Darn... After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, I'll go Debian Xfce. So I got my trusty net-install CD and... It said that it needed 'proprietary firmware' from Realtek, but WAIT! It also said that I could install from the 'proprietary firmware DVD'! Which (of course) I could not burn either... So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Debian! :-) No sound... And not second monitor... Darn... :( After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, Mint worked before, I may as well give it a F$%#ING try (I *NEED* a box!)... Of course I could not burn the DVD So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Mint 17 Xfce. And now everything works! But I am hard headed and now I am facing years (I installed LTS) of hating MINT Gr... 3 wasted days later, and with a fully functional system that I hate, I am seriously considering to end it all and hang myself from a pumpkin tree... I warned you that it was a useless and meaningless rant! So there... ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
try mX14. it is small (cd sized) and it is fast! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, sean sean.a.ritz...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like you should hate DVD drives instead. On Jun 21, 2014 11:10 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I hate Unity too... And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Because my long hated (and mostly reliable) Linux Mint went out of support, I decided to go with what I hate the least: Xubuntu. But I could not burn the DVD, so I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Xubuntu. No sound... Darn... After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, I'll go Debian Xfce. So I got my trusty net-install CD and... It said that it needed 'proprietary firmware' from Realtek, but WAIT! It also said that I could install from the 'proprietary firmware DVD'! Which (of course) I could not burn either... So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Debian! :-) No sound... And not second monitor... Darn... :( After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, Mint worked before, I may as well give it a F$%#ING try (I *NEED* a box!)... Of course I could not burn the DVD So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Mint 17 Xfce. And now everything works! But I am hard headed and now I am facing years (I installed LTS) of hating MINT Gr... 3 wasted days later, and with a fully functional system that I hate, I am seriously considering to end it all and hang myself from a pumpkin tree... I warned you that it was a useless and meaningless rant! So there... ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
There are these things called rewritable cd/dvd's when you really need one, you just write over your least useful disc. That's pretty much all I buy On Jun 21, 2014 11:34 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Sounds like you should hate DVD drives instead. Nawh, that wasn't the problem. I didn't have blank DVDs. I live in the middle of the boondocks and it is an hour-and-a-half round-trip journey to go get them. Of course that if I had known then what I know now... ET On Jun 21, 2014 11:10 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I hate Unity too... And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Because my long hated (and mostly reliable) Linux Mint went out of support, I decided to go with what I hate the least: Xubuntu. But I could not burn the DVD, so I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Xubuntu. No sound... Darn... After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, I'll go Debian Xfce. So I got my trusty net-install CD and... It said that it needed 'proprietary firmware' from Realtek, but WAIT! It also said that I could install from the 'proprietary firmware DVD'! Which (of course) I could not burn either... So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Debian! :-) No sound... And not second monitor... Darn... :( After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, Mint worked before, I may as well give it a F$%#ING try (I *NEED* a box!)... Of course I could not burn the DVD So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Mint 17 Xfce. And now everything works! But I am hard headed and now I am facing years (I installed LTS) of hating MINT Gr... 3 wasted days later, and with a fully functional system that I hate, I am seriously considering to end it all and hang myself from a pumpkin tree... I warned you that it was a useless and meaningless rant! So there... ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: I hate Unity too... And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Because my long hated (and mostly reliable) Linux Mint went out of support, I decided to go with what I hate the least: Xubuntu. SNIP After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, I'll go Debian Xfce. So I got my trusty net-install CD and... It said that it needed 'proprietary firmware' from Realtek, but WAIT! It also said that I could install from the 'proprietary firmware DVD'! The firmware-realtek package is in the non-free repo. Add to /etc/apt/sources.list or better /etc/apt/sources.d/. See man sources.list. dennisk -- 27 Years 1987-2014 SDF Free Public Access UNIX System http://www.sdf.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
the only thing that comes with mx14 you've heard of is libre office. The file manager and browser I've never heard of before. The windowmanager is xfce. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: try mX14. it is small (cd sized) and it is fast! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, sean sean.a.ritz...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like you should hate DVD drives instead. On Jun 21, 2014 11:10 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I hate Unity too... And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Because my long hated (and mostly reliable) Linux Mint went out of support, I decided to go with what I hate the least: Xubuntu. But I could not burn the DVD, so I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Xubuntu. No sound... Darn... After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, I'll go Debian Xfce. So I got my trusty net-install CD and... It said that it needed 'proprietary firmware' from Realtek, but WAIT! It also said that I could install from the 'proprietary firmware DVD'! Which (of course) I could not burn either... So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Debian! :-) No sound... And not second monitor... Darn... :( After fiddling with it for a day I decided: screw it, Mint worked before, I may as well give it a F$%#ING try (I *NEED* a box!)... Of course I could not burn the DVD So I installed it on VirtualBox, transferred the system to my real box, fixed up the MBR and booted my shinny new Mint 17 Xfce. And now everything works! But I am hard headed and now I am facing years (I installed LTS) of hating MINT Gr... 3 wasted days later, and with a fully functional system that I hate, I am seriously considering to end it all and hang myself from a pumpkin tree... I warned you that it was a useless and meaningless rant! So there... ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
On 06/21/2014 11:05 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Since your ranting, I will too... I really hate seeing people continue to spread that KDE is bloated. It might have been true in the KDE 3.5 days, but these days it's quite small. As far as ram usage it isn't the smallest, but in the class of the full featured desktops it's usually among the lowest. It's certainly lower memory usage than both Unity and Gnome. Even if it wasn't lower, why would you throw out all the time saving, integration you get with KDE for what amounts to the ram space of a single dollar worth of ram that you get back with the use of one of the lean desktops. I've watched people use the more efficient distros over and over and spend a ton of time trying to get the features that are built into the bloated distos. ...and if your answer to why you have to run a slim distro is that your machine is too old to run anything else, I would recommend spending one of the hours that you'll be spending trying to get your machine to work right or waiting for the machine to process something and mow your neighbors lawn. The money you will make from a single lawn mowing job would buy a computer that will run a lot better than that or at least buy enough ram to have your current computer run without you having to worry about it. Remember that once the libraries are loaded the apps themselves don't really take much more ram. I once had a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM serving up KDE desktops to 45 xterms, and it usually had a couple of gigs free...amazing. Unless your talking about running very specific programs in an embedded environment, it's better to pick a desktop that makes your life easier, especially when any of the desktops out these are smaller that a single copy of firefox with a single tab open to a single web page. If I could find an environment that would save me a bunch of time but used 4 times as much RAM as the largest Linux desktop, I would happily run it. As for your M$-like comment, other than the initial layout which can be easily changed to pretty much anything you want, I don't see it. Even if it was more M$-like, what's wrong with incorporating some of the better features that windows had (Yes, past tense). I'm no MS lover, but not everything MS did was garbage. It would be foolish to implement everything different just because that's the way it was done by someone/something that you don't like. And just to clear things up, KDE is an open source port of the proprietary (at the time) CDE, which predates the windows look that Microsoft adopted for windows 95. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment If anything, Microsoft copied the layout from CDE, not KDE from M$. Another thing to consider, is that KDE has kept a similar initial layout to it's interface for almost 20 years and almost all changes have been very incremental often times with a way to use the legacy interface, so there has never been a need to completely relearn everything just because a newer version of the distro comes out that they felt the need to continue to call the same name even though it's now sporting a completely different interface... Im looking at you Ubuntu and Gnome. OK, rant over.. I have to end it or I'll go on all day. Brian Cluff --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
HA! Maybe I learn something after all... I did learn to hate KDE years ago when there were so many things running under the hood that it killed all performance. Unity I just can't digest it... I'll install a KDE virtual and give it a try, I may change my mind! Rant away! 8-) ET Brian Cluff writes: On 06/21/2014 11:05 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Since your ranting, I will too... I really hate seeing people continue to spread that KDE is bloated. It might have been true in the KDE 3.5 days, but these days it's quite small. As far as ram usage it isn't the smallest, but in the class of the full featured desktops it's usually among the lowest. It's certainly lower memory usage than both Unity and Gnome. Even if it wasn't lower, why would you throw out all the time saving, integration you get with KDE for what amounts to the ram space of a single dollar worth of ram that you get back with the use of one of the lean desktops. I've watched people use the more efficient distros over and over and spend a ton of time trying to get the features that are built into the bloated distos. ...and if your answer to why you have to run a slim distro is that your machine is too old to run anything else, I would recommend spending one of the hours that you'll be spending trying to get your machine to work right or waiting for the machine to process something and mow your neighbors lawn. The money you will make from a single lawn mowing job would buy a computer that will run a lot better than that or at least buy enough ram to have your current computer run without you having to worry about it. Remember that once the libraries are loaded the apps themselves don't really take much more ram. I once had a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM serving up KDE desktops to 45 xterms, and it usually had a couple of gigs free...amazing. Unless your talking about running very specific programs in an embedded environment, it's better to pick a desktop that makes your life easier, especially when any of the desktops out these are smaller that a single copy of firefox with a single tab open to a single web page. If I could find an environment that would save me a bunch of time but used 4 times as much RAM as the largest Linux desktop, I would happily run it. As for your M$-like comment, other than the initial layout which can be easily changed to pretty much anything you want, I don't see it. Even if it was more M$-like, what's wrong with incorporating some of the better features that windows had (Yes, past tense). I'm no MS lover, but not everything MS did was garbage. It would be foolish to implement everything different just because that's the way it was done by someone/something that you don't like. And just to clear things up, KDE is an open source port of the proprietary (at the time) CDE, which predates the windows look that Microsoft adopted for windows 95. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment If anything, Microsoft copied the layout from CDE, not KDE from M$. Another thing to consider, is that KDE has kept a similar initial layout to it's interface for almost 20 years and almost all changes have been very incremental often times with a way to use the legacy interface, so there has never been a need to completely relearn everything just because a newer version of the distro comes out that they felt the need to continue to call the same name even though it's now sporting a completely different interface... Im looking at you Ubuntu and Gnome. OK, rant over.. I have to end it or I'll go on all day. Brian Cluff --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
+1 Brian regarding the more efficient distros Been there done that and spent months hunting for things and tweaking, and finally just gave up and went back to Ubuntu. I recently changed from Unity to KDE. While I didn't really hate Unity, I have come to appreciate the additional options and level of customization that KDE has to offer. I'm running Kubuntu 14.04 and other than having to adjust the sound preset level (which was set too loo), so far no problems. On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: HA! Maybe I learn something after all... I did learn to hate KDE years ago when there were so many things running under the hood that it killed all performance. Unity I just can't digest it... I'll install a KDE virtual and give it a try, I may change my mind! Rant away! 8-) ET Brian Cluff writes: On 06/21/2014 11:05 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: And/or the M$-like bloated KDE. Since your ranting, I will too... I really hate seeing people continue to spread that KDE is bloated. It might have been true in the KDE 3.5 days, but these days it's quite small. As far as ram usage it isn't the smallest, but in the class of the full featured desktops it's usually among the lowest. It's certainly lower memory usage than both Unity and Gnome. Even if it wasn't lower, why would you throw out all the time saving, integration you get with KDE for what amounts to the ram space of a single dollar worth of ram that you get back with the use of one of the lean desktops. I've watched people use the more efficient distros over and over and spend a ton of time trying to get the features that are built into the bloated distos. ...and if your answer to why you have to run a slim distro is that your machine is too old to run anything else, I would recommend spending one of the hours that you'll be spending trying to get your machine to work right or waiting for the machine to process something and mow your neighbors lawn. The money you will make from a single lawn mowing job would buy a computer that will run a lot better than that or at least buy enough ram to have your current computer run without you having to worry about it. Remember that once the libraries are loaded the apps themselves don't really take much more ram. I once had a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM serving up KDE desktops to 45 xterms, and it usually had a couple of gigs free...amazing. Unless your talking about running very specific programs in an embedded environment, it's better to pick a desktop that makes your life easier, especially when any of the desktops out these are smaller that a single copy of firefox with a single tab open to a single web page. If I could find an environment that would save me a bunch of time but used 4 times as much RAM as the largest Linux desktop, I would happily run it. As for your M$-like comment, other than the initial layout which can be easily changed to pretty much anything you want, I don't see it. Even if it was more M$-like, what's wrong with incorporating some of the better features that windows had (Yes, past tense). I'm no MS lover, but not everything MS did was garbage. It would be foolish to implement everything different just because that's the way it was done by someone/something that you don't like. And just to clear things up, KDE is an open source port of the proprietary (at the time) CDE, which predates the windows look that Microsoft adopted for windows 95. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment If anything, Microsoft copied the layout from CDE, not KDE from M$. Another thing to consider, is that KDE has kept a similar initial layout to it's interface for almost 20 years and almost all changes have been very incremental often times with a way to use the legacy interface, so there has never been a need to completely relearn everything just because a newer version of the distro comes out that they felt the need to continue to call the same name even though it's now sporting a completely different interface... Im looking at you Ubuntu and Gnome. OK, rant over.. I have to end it or I'll go on all day. Brian Cluff --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James *Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/pub/james-h-dugger/15/64b/74a/* --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
Brian last wrote (in very small part ;) Re: KDE ... these days it's quite small. Brian, your comments (and advice and guidance) are always especially helpful and very, very much appreciated. I, too, much prefer KDE and Mint to the many other distros that I have tried. Sometimes, I get very frustrated with changes that they make that often seem to me to create a frustrating nuisance and make things worse than the way things were before the change. I do *despise* everything about nepomuk and akonadi and never seem to have been able to totally eliminate it from my systems. Also, for example, I really wish they would bring back the hide button for the start line. Most annoying to me is when they force new things on us instead of just giving the option to opt-in if we should choose to do so. Yet, all-in-all, I am just so incredibly thankful to not have to live with that most horrific of all annoyances that is M$. Every time I have to try to help my dear bride with her M$ box, I praise God again that I don't have to contend with that. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. I think Win7 is one of the best OS's ever made. I started with DOS 2.11 and stayed with DOS until 95 when I was forced to use it. In 2000 I used Linux for 8 months and then went back to Windows. In 2006 I used Linux for about 3 months and went back to Windows. Mostly because I need IE for testing. I hated IE in Wine. I've been using Kubuntu as my main system for 5 or 6 months. I think it will stick this time. It has been a pain making the switch. I still need to load Windows in a virtual machine so I can have everything on one machine. No time and no energy to do so at this time. I stay with Kubuntu because I know at some point I am really going to forced to switch over to Linux any way. I have a laptop running Win7. I use it to test with IE and to use Go-To_Meetings which does not work on Linux for some reason. Since my two large screens are connected to my Linux box I am unable to enjoy NetFlix until I get a vmachine set up with Windows. In summary I would say that each have their strong points. I like some of the things about Kubuntu and I like other things about Windows. If I could combine them I would. On 2014-06-21 16:02, j...@actionline.com wrote: Brian last wrote (in very small part ;) Re: KDE ... these days it's quite small. Brian, your comments (and advice and guidance) are always especially helpful and very, very much appreciated. I, too, much prefer KDE and Mint to the many other distros that I have tried. Sometimes, I get very frustrated with changes that they make that often seem to me to create a frustrating nuisance and make things worse than the way things were before the change. I do *despise* everything about nepomuk and akonadi and never seem to have been able to totally eliminate it from my systems. Also, for example, I really wish they would bring back the hide button for the start line. Most annoying to me is when they force new things on us instead of just giving the option to opt-in if we should choose to do so. Yet, all-in-all, I am just so incredibly thankful to not have to live with that most horrific of all annoyances that is M$. Every time I have to try to help my dear bride with her M$ box, I praise God again that I don't have to contend with that. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ It works fairly well if you want netflix on Linux. Even if it does install silverlight :P Phil Waclawski On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:45 PM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. I think Win7 is one of the best OS's ever made. I started with DOS 2.11 and stayed with DOS until 95 when I was forced to use it. In 2000 I used Linux for 8 months and then went back to Windows. In 2006 I used Linux for about 3 months and went back to Windows. Mostly because I need IE for testing. I hated IE in Wine. I've been using Kubuntu as my main system for 5 or 6 months. I think it will stick this time. It has been a pain making the switch. I still need to load Windows in a virtual machine so I can have everything on one machine. No time and no energy to do so at this time. I stay with Kubuntu because I know at some point I am really going to forced to switch over to Linux any way. I have a laptop running Win7. I use it to test with IE and to use Go-To_Meetings which does not work on Linux for some reason. Since my two large screens are connected to my Linux box I am unable to enjoy NetFlix until I get a vmachine set up with Windows. In summary I would say that each have their strong points. I like some of the things about Kubuntu and I like other things about Windows. If I could combine them I would. On 2014-06-21 16:02, j...@actionline.com wrote: Brian last wrote (in very small part ;) Re: KDE ... these days it's quite small. Brian, your comments (and advice and guidance) are always especially helpful and very, very much appreciated. I, too, much prefer KDE and Mint to the many other distros that I have tried. Sometimes, I get very frustrated with changes that they make that often seem to me to create a frustrating nuisance and make things worse than the way things were before the change. I do *despise* everything about nepomuk and akonadi and never seem to have been able to totally eliminate it from my systems. Also, for example, I really wish they would bring back the hide button for the start line. Most annoying to me is when they force new things on us instead of just giving the option to opt-in if we should choose to do so. Yet, all-in-all, I am just so incredibly thankful to not have to live with that most horrific of all annoyances that is M$. Every time I have to try to help my dear bride with her M$ box, I praise God again that I don't have to contend with that. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
hwy are you using netflix? Use xbmc! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Phil Waclawski phil.waclaw...@mesacc.edu wrote: http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ It works fairly well if you want netflix on Linux. Even if it does install silverlight :P Phil Waclawski On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:45 PM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. I think Win7 is one of the best OS's ever made. I started with DOS 2.11 and stayed with DOS until 95 when I was forced to use it. In 2000 I used Linux for 8 months and then went back to Windows. In 2006 I used Linux for about 3 months and went back to Windows. Mostly because I need IE for testing. I hated IE in Wine. I've been using Kubuntu as my main system for 5 or 6 months. I think it will stick this time. It has been a pain making the switch. I still need to load Windows in a virtual machine so I can have everything on one machine. No time and no energy to do so at this time. I stay with Kubuntu because I know at some point I am really going to forced to switch over to Linux any way. I have a laptop running Win7. I use it to test with IE and to use Go-To_Meetings which does not work on Linux for some reason. Since my two large screens are connected to my Linux box I am unable to enjoy NetFlix until I get a vmachine set up with Windows. In summary I would say that each have their strong points. I like some of the things about Kubuntu and I like other things about Windows. If I could combine them I would. On 2014-06-21 16:02, j...@actionline.com wrote: Brian last wrote (in very small part ;) Re: KDE ... these days it's quite small. Brian, your comments (and advice and guidance) are always especially helpful and very, very much appreciated. I, too, much prefer KDE and Mint to the many other distros that I have tried. Sometimes, I get very frustrated with changes that they make that often seem to me to create a frustrating nuisance and make things worse than the way things were before the change. I do *despise* everything about nepomuk and akonadi and never seem to have been able to totally eliminate it from my systems. Also, for example, I really wish they would bring back the hide button for the start line. Most annoying to me is when they force new things on us instead of just giving the option to opt-in if we should choose to do so. Yet, all-in-all, I am just so incredibly thankful to not have to live with that most horrific of all annoyances that is M$. Every time I have to try to help my dear bride with her M$ box, I praise God again that I don't have to contend with that. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
I take it you are using XBMC to watch NetFlix? On 2014-06-21 17:00, Michael Havens wrote: hwy are you using netflix? Use xbmc! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Phil Waclawski phil.waclaw...@mesacc.edu wrote: http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ [1] It works fairly well if you want netflix on Linux. Even if it does install silverlight :P Phil Waclawski On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:45 PM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. I think Win7 is one of the best OS's ever made. I started with DOS 2.11 and stayed with DOS until 95 when I was forced to use it. In 2000 I used Linux for 8 months and then went back to Windows. In 2006 I used Linux for about 3 months and went back to Windows. Mostly because I need IE for testing. I hated IE in Wine. I've been using Kubuntu as my main system for 5 or 6 months. I think it will stick this time. It has been a pain making the switch. I still need to load Windows in a virtual machine so I can have everything on one machine. No time and no energy to do so at this time. I stay with Kubuntu because I know at some point I am really going to forced to switch over to Linux any way. I have a laptop running Win7. I use it to test with IE and to use Go-To_Meetings which does not work on Linux for some reason. Since my two large screens are connected to my Linux box I am unable to enjoy NetFlix until I get a vmachine set up with Windows. In summary I would say that each have their strong points. I like some of the things about Kubuntu and I like other things about Windows. If I could combine them I would. On 2014-06-21 16:02, j...@actionline.com wrote: Brian last wrote (in very small part ;) Re: KDE ... these days it's quite small. Brian, your comments (and advice and guidance) are always especially helpful and very, very much appreciated. I, too, much prefer KDE and Mint to the many other distros that I have tried. Sometimes, I get very frustrated with changes that they make that often seem to me to create a frustrating nuisance and make things worse than the way things were before the change. I do *despise* everything about nepomuk and akonadi and never seem to have been able to totally eliminate it from my systems. Also, for example, I really wish they would bring back the hide button for the start line. Most annoying to me is when they force new things on us instead of just giving the option to opt-in if we should choose to do so. Yet, all-in-all, I am just so incredibly thankful to not have to live with that most horrific of all annoyances that is M$. Every time I have to try to help my dear bride with her M$ box, I praise God again that I don't have to contend with that. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2] Links: -- [1] http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ [2] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
xbmc is all well and good, but for some folks Netflix can be a show stopper if it won't run on linux. Had I known about this solution soon enough, I would have helped one of my students stay converted over to linux for their home entertainment set up ;) Phil W. On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: hwy are you using netflix? Use xbmc! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Phil Waclawski phil.waclaw...@mesacc.edu wrote: http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ It works fairly well if you want netflix on Linux. Even if it does install silverlight :P Phil Waclawski On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:45 PM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. I think Win7 is one of the best OS's ever made. I started with DOS 2.11 and stayed with DOS until 95 when I was forced to use it. In 2000 I used Linux for 8 months and then went back to Windows. In 2006 I used Linux for about 3 months and went back to Windows. Mostly because I need IE for testing. I hated IE in Wine. I've been using Kubuntu as my main system for 5 or 6 months. I think it will stick this time. It has been a pain making the switch. I still need to load Windows in a virtual machine so I can have everything on one machine. No time and no energy to do so at this time. I stay with Kubuntu because I know at some point I am really going to forced to switch over to Linux any way. I have a laptop running Win7. I use it to test with IE and to use Go-To_Meetings which does not work on Linux for some reason. Since my two large screens are connected to my Linux box I am unable to enjoy NetFlix until I get a vmachine set up with Windows. In summary I would say that each have their strong points. I like some of the things about Kubuntu and I like other things about Windows. If I could combine them I would. On 2014-06-21 16:02, j...@actionline.com wrote: Brian last wrote (in very small part ;) Re: KDE ... these days it's quite small. Brian, your comments (and advice and guidance) are always especially helpful and very, very much appreciated. I, too, much prefer KDE and Mint to the many other distros that I have tried. Sometimes, I get very frustrated with changes that they make that often seem to me to create a frustrating nuisance and make things worse than the way things were before the change. I do *despise* everything about nepomuk and akonadi and never seem to have been able to totally eliminate it from my systems. Also, for example, I really wish they would bring back the hide button for the start line. Most annoying to me is when they force new things on us instead of just giving the option to opt-in if we should choose to do so. Yet, all-in-all, I am just so incredibly thankful to not have to live with that most horrific of all annoyances that is M$. Every time I have to try to help my dear bride with her M$ box, I praise God again that I don't have to contend with that. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
Thank you!! On 2014-06-21 16:51, Phil Waclawski wrote: http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ [2] It works fairly well if you want netflix on Linux. Even if it does install silverlight :P Phil Waclawski On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 2:45 PM, techli...@phpcoderusa.com wrote: What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. I think Win7 is one of the best OS's ever made. I started with DOS 2.11 and stayed with DOS until 95 when I was forced to use it. In 2000 I used Linux for 8 months and then went back to Windows. In 2006 I used Linux for about 3 months and went back to Windows. Mostly because I need IE for testing. I hated IE in Wine. I've been using Kubuntu as my main system for 5 or 6 months. I think it will stick this time. It has been a pain making the switch. I still need to load Windows in a virtual machine so I can have everything on one machine. No time and no energy to do so at this time. I stay with Kubuntu because I know at some point I am really going to forced to switch over to Linux any way. I have a laptop running Win7. I use it to test with IE and to use Go-To_Meetings which does not work on Linux for some reason. Since my two large screens are connected to my Linux box I am unable to enjoy NetFlix until I get a vmachine set up with Windows. In summary I would say that each have their strong points. I like some of the things about Kubuntu and I like other things about Windows. If I could combine them I would. On 2014-06-21 16:02, j...@actionline.com wrote: Brian last wrote (in very small part ;) Re: KDE ... these days it's quite small. Brian, your comments (and advice and guidance) are always especially helpful and very, very much appreciated. I, too, much prefer KDE and Mint to the many other distros that I have tried. Sometimes, I get very frustrated with changes that they make that often seem to me to create a frustrating nuisance and make things worse than the way things were before the change. I do *despise* everything about nepomuk and akonadi and never seem to have been able to totally eliminate it from my systems. Also, for example, I really wish they would bring back the hide button for the start line. Most annoying to me is when they force new things on us instead of just giving the option to opt-in if we should choose to do so. Yet, all-in-all, I am just so incredibly thankful to not have to live with that most horrific of all annoyances that is M$. Every time I have to try to help my dear bride with her M$ box, I praise God again that I don't have to contend with that. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [2] http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
techli...@phpcoderusa.com writes: What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. LOL I've enjoyed it as well. Bloat is one of those words that get thrown around without really knowing what it means. (no offense to OP) If I see the word in an article I want to know how the author measures bloat. To me bloat would be code loaded into memory that is never executed. dennisk -- 27 Years 1987-2014 SDF Free Public Access UNIX System http://www.sdf.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Useless and meaningless rant about my hate for Linux Mint...
To me bloat would be a bunch of daemons eating resources to the point of exhaustion. I installed KDE (had not done it in years) and seems to hug less resources now. Still testing... ET Dennis Kibbe writes: techli...@phpcoderusa.com writes: What a great rant!! I was on my way to look for a video on HULU I enjoyed this much more. LOL I've enjoyed it as well. Bloat is one of those words that get thrown around without really knowing what it means. (no offense to OP) If I see the word in an article I want to know how the author measures bloat. To me bloat would be code loaded into memory that is never executed. dennisk -- 27 Years 1987-2014 SDF Free Public Access UNIX System http://www.sdf.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
