Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Stephen
here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to
remove it, but no links as to why?

this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very
little one way or another.

if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would
like to hear it/see it.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:
 Kaseya:

 Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack,  Sometimes a Government
 Surveillance Tool?

 How to Remove a Kaseya Agent:

 1) Windows Hidden Type:
 %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation
 Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL


 2) OS X:

 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy it
 onto the Mac.

 2. Expand the ZIP archive.

 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh
 Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually
 running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent.

 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the
 /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf
 /var/tmp/kpid command.

 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf
 /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password

 6.  The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed.

 WorkArounds:

 Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or
 Linux Chrome:
 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f

 References:

 http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx
 http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx
 http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx


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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch everything
done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script plugin.

It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to
 remove it, but no links as to why?

 this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very
 little one way or another.

 if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would
 like to hear it/see it.

 On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:
  Kaseya:
 
  Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack,  Sometimes a
 Government
  Surveillance Tool?
 
  How to Remove a Kaseya Agent:
 
  1) Windows Hidden Type:
  %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation
  Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL
 
 
  2) OS X:
 
  1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy it
  onto the Mac.
 
  2. Expand the ZIP archive.
 
  3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the
 Macintosh
  Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is
 actually
  running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent.
 
  4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the
  /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf
  /var/tmp/kpid command.
 
  5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm
 -rf
  /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password
 
  6.  The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed.
 
  WorkArounds:
 
  Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or
  Linux Chrome:
  http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f
 
  References:
 
  http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx
  http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx
 
 http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx
 
 
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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Stephen
so is it a weakness in the client that someone can break into, or is
it a heathy paranoia of such clients exiting with a managed company
that you may or may not trust?

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:
 This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch everything
 done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script plugin.
 It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful.

 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to
 remove it, but no links as to why?

 this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very
 little one way or another.

 if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would
 like to hear it/see it.

 On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:
  Kaseya:
 
  Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack,  Sometimes a
  Government
  Surveillance Tool?
 
  How to Remove a Kaseya Agent:
 
  1) Windows Hidden Type:
  %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation
  Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL
 
 
  2) OS X:
 
  1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy it
  onto the Mac.
 
  2. Expand the ZIP archive.
 
  3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the
  Macintosh
  Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is
  actually
  running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent.
 
  4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete
  the
  /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf
  /var/tmp/kpid command.
 
  5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm
  -rf
  /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password
 
  6.  The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed.
 
  WorkArounds:
 
  Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or
  Linux Chrome:
  http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f
 
  References:
 
  http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx
  http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx
 
  http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx
 
 
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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
It can be used for malicious reasons.

It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of
interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.

It is currently being delivered for Linux Chrome.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 so is it a weakness in the client that someone can break into, or is
 it a heathy paranoia of such clients exiting with a managed company
 that you may or may not trust?

 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:
  This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch
 everything
  done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script plugin.
  It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful.
 
  On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to
  remove it, but no links as to why?
 
  this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very
  little one way or another.
 
  if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would
  like to hear it/see it.
 
  On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
  wrote:
   Kaseya:
  
   Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack,  Sometimes a
   Government
   Surveillance Tool?
  
   How to Remove a Kaseya Agent:
  
   1) Windows Hidden Type:
   %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation
   Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe
 UNINSTALL
  
  
   2) OS X:
  
   1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy
 it
   onto the Mac.
  
   2. Expand the ZIP archive.
  
   3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the
   Macintosh
   Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is
   actually
   running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent.
  
   4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete
   the
   /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf
   /var/tmp/kpid command.
  
   5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo
 rm
   -rf
   /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password
  
   6.  The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed.
  
   WorkArounds:
  
   Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X
 or
   Linux Chrome:
   http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f
  
   References:
  
   http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx
   http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx
  
  
 http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx
  
  
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   impossible. 
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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Eric Cope
do you know any other products that ship with it?

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 It can be used for malicious reasons.

 It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens
 of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.

 It is currently being delivered for Linux Chrome.


 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 so is it a weakness in the client that someone can break into, or is
 it a heathy paranoia of such clients exiting with a managed company
 that you may or may not trust?

 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:
  This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch
 everything
  done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script plugin.
  It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful.
 
  On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to
  remove it, but no links as to why?
 
  this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very
  little one way or another.
 
  if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would
  like to hear it/see it.
 
  On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 
  wrote:
   Kaseya:
  
   Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack,  Sometimes a
   Government
   Surveillance Tool?
  
   How to Remove a Kaseya Agent:
  
   1) Windows Hidden Type:
   %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation
   Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe
 UNINSTALL
  
  
   2) OS X:
  
   1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy
 it
   onto the Mac.
  
   2. Expand the ZIP archive.
  
   3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the
   Macintosh
   Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is
   actually
   running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent.
  
   4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete
   the
   /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf
   /var/tmp/kpid command.
  
   5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo
 rm
   -rf
   /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password
  
   6.  The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed.
  
   WorkArounds:
  
   Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X
 or
   Linux Chrome:
   http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f
  
   References:
  
   http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx
   http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx
  
  
 http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx
  
  
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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
They have not only web browser plugins but a great deal of scripts and other
tools.

You have to check the links I included for the kaseya web site related to
your OS/Browser or application.

It is not cheap.  Free applications and online tools exist to do the same
thing.

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote:

 do you know any other products that ship with it?


 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 It can be used for malicious reasons.

 It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens
 of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.

 It is currently being delivered for Linux Chrome.


 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 so is it a weakness in the client that someone can break into, or is
 it a heathy paranoia of such clients exiting with a managed company
 that you may or may not trust?

 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
 wrote:
  This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch
 everything
  done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script
 plugin.
  It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful.
 
  On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to
  remove it, but no links as to why?
 
  this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very
  little one way or another.
 
  if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would
  like to hear it/see it.
 
  On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold 
 lisakach...@obnosis.com
  wrote:
   Kaseya:
  
   Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack,  Sometimes a
   Government
   Surveillance Tool?
  
   How to Remove a Kaseya Agent:
  
   1) Windows Hidden Type:
   %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation
   Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe
 UNINSTALL
  
  
   2) OS X:
  
   1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and
 copy it
   onto the Mac.
  
   2. Expand the ZIP archive.
  
   3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the
   Macintosh
   Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is
   actually
   running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent.
  
   4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and
 delete
   the
   /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf
   /var/tmp/kpid command.
  
   5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo
 rm
   -rf
   /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password
  
   6.  The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed.
  
   WorkArounds:
  
   Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS
 X or
   Linux Chrome:
   http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f
  
   References:
  
   http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx
   http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx
  
  
 http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx
  
  
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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread R P Herrold

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:


It can be used for malicious reasons.


so can almost any tool

As you later note:

It is not cheap.  Free applications and online tools exist 
to do the samething.


drop in a VNC server, pre-key it, and hide it from the 
process table listing, and one is home in a Windows environment; munge 
a kernel module, and one can attain the same effect in Linux. 
Apple has similar in OS/X ...


back to the lead post ...

It is currently being used by NSA and government 
surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for 
technical support purposes.


A strong assertion.  A search turns up just another vendor, in 
the marketing hunt trying to sell to the Homeland Security 
'garrison state'

http://www.kaseya.com/
with a FIPS-140-2 certification.  They are co-marketing with 
Microsoft

http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/software-solutions.aspx
and they seem to advert having sold to the U S Air Force

Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' 
evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually 
showing improper use by a federal agency


Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed

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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread keith smith

If you are asking for proof that the government is watching everyone of us just 
take a look at the USA PATRIOT Act.  It give authority to wire tap and other 
surveillance activities with much less restriction.  It allows authorities to 
circumvent the constitution and hold prisoners incommunicado while violating 
their 6th and 14th Amendments right to due process.  Clearly unconstitutional.  

Here is an example of how the law is being abused

Lundeby said the USA Patriot Act stripped her son of his due process rights.

We
 have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the 
Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution, she said. It wasn't
 intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the 
middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/

http://www.reformthepatriotact.org/ 





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Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents  You
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 9:19 AM

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:

 It can be used for malicious reasons.

so can almost any tool

As you later note:

 It is not cheap.  Free applications and online tools exist to do the 
 samething.

drop in a VNC server, pre-key it, and hide it from the process table listing, 
and one is home in a Windows environment; munge a kernel module, and one can 
attain the same effect in Linux. Apple has similar in OS/X ...

back to the lead post ...

 It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of 
 interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.

A strong assertion.  A search turns up just another vendor, in the marketing 
hunt trying to sell to the Homeland Security 'garrison state'
    http://www.kaseya.com/
with a FIPS-140-2 certification.  They are co-marketing with Microsoft
    http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/software-solutions.aspx
and they seem to advert having sold to the U S Air Force

Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond 
supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal 
agency

Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed

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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:42 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:


 If you are asking for proof that the government is watching everyone of us
 just take a look at the USA PATRIOT Act.  It give authority to wire tap and
 other surveillance activities with much less restriction.  It allows
 authorities to circumvent the constitution and hold prisoners incommunicado
 while violating their 6th and 14th Amendments right to due process.  Clearly
 unconstitutional.

 Here is an example of how the law is being abused

 Lundeby said the USA Patriot 
 Acthttp://www.usdoj.gov/archive/ll/highlights.htmstripped her son of his 
 due process rights.

 We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the
 Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution, she said. It wasn't
 intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of
 the night on a charge that we can't even defend.

 http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/

 http://www.reformthepatriotact.org/



 
 Keith Smith

 --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote:


 From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com
 Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents  You
 To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 9:19 AM


 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:

  It can be used for malicious reasons.

 so can almost any tool

 As you later note:

  It is not cheap.  Free applications and online tools exist to do the
 samething.

 drop in a VNC server, pre-key it, and hide it from the process table
 listing, and one is home in a Windows environment; munge a kernel module,
 and one can attain the same effect in Linux. Apple has similar in OS/X ...

 back to the lead post ...

  It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens
 of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.

 A strong assertion.  A search turns up just another vendor, in the
 marketing hunt trying to sell to the Homeland Security 'garrison state'
 http://www.kaseya.com/
 with a FIPS-140-2 certification.  They are co-marketing with Microsoft
 http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/software-solutions.aspx
 and they seem to advert having sold to the U S Air Force

 Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence
 beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a
 federal agency

 Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed

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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread R P Herrold

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:


OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!


no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with 
seemingly a Linux client hook], and I asked for some URLs to 
demonstrate the basis for your belief.  A third party wanted 
to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some hearsay as well, 
but that is out of scope here


My question echoes that of Joe Friday:
All we want are the facts, ma'am

I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an 
opinion given facts I can rely upon



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Lisa, for context:
It is currently being used by NSA and government 
surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used 
for technical support purposes.


herrold: 
A strong assertion.

   ... snip ...
Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil 
hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and 
actually showing improper use by a federal agency


Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed


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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:

 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:

  OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!


 no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux
 client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your
 belief.  A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some
 hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here

 My question echoes that of Joe Friday:
All we want are the facts, ma'am

 I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given
 facts I can rely upon


  --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote:


  Lisa, for context:

 It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of
 citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.


  herrold: A strong assertion.

   ... snip ...

  Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence
 beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a
 federal agency

 Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed


 -- Russ herrold


I did not state improper use.  It's all legal as of Presidential Special
Order.

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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread keith smith

Only time will tell.  From where I sit, the president cannot circumvent the 
Constitution unless the courts let him.  We do not have a dictator.  We are a 
republic and the government was created by the states for a very limited 
functionality.  The people have given up a some small amounts of rights for the 
common good and the government continues to take more and more.  Look at 
ObamaCare.  Clearly unconstitutional.  

We live in interesting times, just look at the state of our elections. 



Keith Smith

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:

From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents  You
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:21 AM



On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:




OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!




no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux 
client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your 
belief.  A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some 
hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here




My question echoes that of Joe Friday:

        All we want are the facts, ma'am



I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given 
facts I can rely upon




--- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote:






Lisa, for context:

It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of 
interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.





herrold: A strong assertion.


   ... snip ...


Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond 
supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal 
agency



Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed




-- Russ herrold

I did not state improper use.  It's all legal as of Presidential Special 
Order. -- 
Office: (602)239-3392
ATT: (503)754-4452 

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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Only time will tell.  From where I sit, the president cannot circumvent the
 Constitution unless the courts let him.  We do not have a dictator.  We are
 a republic and the government was created by the states for a very limited
 functionality.  The people have given up a some small amounts of rights for
 the common good and the government continues to take more and more.  Look at
 ObamaCare.  Clearly unconstitutional.

 We live in interesting times, just look at the state of our elections.

 
 Keith Smith

 --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com* wrote:


 From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com

 Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents  You
 To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:21 AM




 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold 
 herr...@owlriver.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herr...@owlriver.com
  wrote:

 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:

  OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!


 no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux
 client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your
 belief.  A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some
 hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here

 My question echoes that of Joe Friday:
All we want are the facts, ma'am

 I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given
 facts I can rely upon


  --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold 
 herr...@owlriver.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herr...@owlriver.com*
 wrote:


  Lisa, for context:

 It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens
 of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.


  herrold: A strong assertion.

   ... snip ...

  Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence
 beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a
 federal agency

 Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed


 -- Russ herrold


 I did not state improper use.  It's all legal as of Presidential Special
 Order.

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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread R P Herrold

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:


http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy



My question echoes that of Joe Friday:
   All we want are the facts, ma'am


conspicuously absent from any of those links is any mention of 
Kaseya


FISA warrants may be disliked but have been judicially upheld 
[footnote 89 in the wiki article]. As that article notes one 
may structure one's affairs to address the possibilities they 
afford the US federal government [how being out of scope here]


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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread keith smith
The George W. Bush administration used these powers to by-pass the FISA court 
and directed the National Security Agency to spy directly on American citizens 
on American soil. 

How does that protect us?  And just because he does it and congress allows it 
does not make it right or Constitutional.

Looking back 20 to 40 years from now will pretty interesting.



Keith Smith

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:

From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents  You
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 11:02 AM

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:


Only time will tell.  From where I sit, the president cannot circumvent the 
Constitution unless the courts let him.  We do not have a dictator.  We are a 
republic and the government was created by the states for a very limited 
functionality.  The people have given up a some small amounts of rights for the 
common good and the government continues to take more and more.  Look at 
ObamaCare.  Clearly unconstitutional.  


We live in interesting times, just look at the state of our elections. 



Keith Smith

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:


From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents  You
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us

Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:21 AM



On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:


On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:




OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!




no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux 
client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your 
belief.  A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some 
hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here





My question echoes that of Joe Friday:

        All we want are the facts, ma'am



I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given 
facts I can rely upon




--- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote:







Lisa, for context:

It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of 
interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.





herrold: A strong assertion.


   ... snip ...


Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond 
supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal 
agency



Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed




-- Russ herrold

I did not state improper use.  It's all legal as of Presidential Special 
Order. -- 
Office: (602)239-3392
ATT: (503)754-4452 


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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread keith smith

I don't have time to argue here.  I hope to have several websites active around 
the first of the years that point out and report on many disturbing trends.

When I have them ready I will post the links. 



Keith Smith

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From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents  You
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 11:02 AM

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:


Only time will tell.  From where I sit, the president cannot circumvent the 
Constitution unless the courts let him.  We do not have a dictator.  We are a 
republic and the government was created by the states for a very limited 
functionality.  The people have given up a some small amounts of rights for the 
common good and the government continues to take more and more.  Look at 
ObamaCare.  Clearly unconstitutional.  


We live in interesting times, just look at the state of our elections. 



Keith Smith

--- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:


From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents  You
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us

Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:21 AM



On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:


On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:




OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!




no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux 
client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your 
belief.  A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some 
hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here





My question echoes that of Joe Friday:

        All we want are the facts, ma'am



I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given 
facts I can rely upon




--- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote:







Lisa, for context:

It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of 
interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes.





herrold: A strong assertion.


   ... snip ...


Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond 
supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal 
agency



Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed




-- Russ herrold

I did not state improper use.  It's all legal as of Presidential Special 
Order. -- 
Office: (602)239-3392
ATT: (503)754-4452 


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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote:

 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:

  http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm
 http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy


  My question echoes that of Joe Friday:
   All we want are the facts, ma'am


 conspicuously absent from any of those links is any mention of Kaseya

*
*
There are too many links to reference.

This is common security knowledge.

Maximum SecurityKaseya designed the Integrated IT Software Suite with
comprehensive security throughout. *The Kaseya design team brings over 50
years of experience designing secure systems for government and commercial
applications. Kaseya applied this experience to uniquely combine ease of use
with high security.
Kaseya Agent*
The Kaseya platform architecture is central to providing maximum security.
Each computer managed has a small agent installed. The agent initiates all
communications back to the server. Since the agent will not accept any
inbound connections, it is impossible for a third party application to
attack the agent from the network.
Firewalls
Kaseya does not need any input ports opened on client machines. This lets
the agent do its job in any network configuration without introducing
susceptibility to inbound port probes or new network attacks.
Encryption
Kaseya protects against man in the middle attacks by encrypting all
communications between the agent and server with 256-bit RC4 using a key
that rolls every time the server tasks the agent, typically at least once
per day . Since there are no plain text data packets passing over the
network, there is nothing available for an attacker to exploit.




 FISA warrants may be disliked but have been judicially upheld [footnote 89
 in the wiki article]. As that article notes one may structure one's affairs
 to address the possibilities they afford the US federal government [how
 being out of scope here]

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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:27 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:


 I don't have time to argue here.  I hope to have several websites active
 around the first of the years that point out and report on many disturbing
 trends.

 When I have them ready I will post the links.

 snip

I like this link better than political ones:

http://www.andhrahackers.com/forum/index.php?topic=3593.0


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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Technomage_Hawke
uh yeah, and its why I didn't comment about the tool. I knew it would go this 
way. The tool itself appears pretty innocuous by itself. However, as we all 
know, any tool can be abused.


On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

 OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!
 

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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Technomage_Hawke 
technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote:

 uh yeah, and its why I didn't comment about the tool. I knew it would go
 this way. The tool itself appears pretty innocuous by itself. However, as we
 all know, any tool can be abused.


True http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/consequences2.jpeg that!



 On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

  OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation!
 

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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread R P Herrold

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote:


conspicuously absent from any of those links is any mention of Kaseya



There are too many links to reference.

This is common security knowledge.


as they are so profuse, let's agree to just look at the best 
two you know of.  Standing by


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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Tuna

On 08/11/2010 07:54 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

Kaseya:

Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack,  Sometimes a 
Government Surveillance Tool?


How to Remove a Kaseya Agent:

1) Windows Hidden Type:
%programfiles%\InstallShield Installation 
Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL



2) OS X:

1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here 
http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/m/it-toolkit-media-gallery/50.aspx, 
and copy it onto the Mac.


2. Expand the ZIP archive.

3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the 
Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, 
it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent.


4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete 
the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf 
/var/tmp/kpid command.



5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo 
rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password



6.  The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed.


WorkArounds:


Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X 
or Linux Chrome:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f 
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f


References:

http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx
http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx
http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx


Lisa, do you want to enter a business partnership with me selling 
high-quality tin foil hats (not like those homemade ones that just fall 
apart) and personal mobile faraday cages (with movable elbow and knee 
joints)?


I think you're kicking up a whole lot of dust to be honest. An equally 
meaningful and relevant statement would be There exists bad software 
that people can install and do nasty things to your computer.


The uninstall information is good to know, but I think it would be 
better presented in a full-blown article pertaining to draconian 
employers installing crap on employees' laptops, perhaps for 2600 or 
similar.



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Re: Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-12 Thread Lisa Kachold
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote:

  On 08/11/2010 07:54 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

 Kaseya:

 Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack,  Sometimes a Government
 Surveillance Tool?

 How to Remove a Kaseya Agent:

 1) Windows Hidden Type:
 %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation
 Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL


 2) OS X:

 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from 
 herehttp://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/m/it-toolkit-media-gallery/50.aspx,
 and copy it onto the Mac.

 2. Expand the ZIP archive.

 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh
 Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually
 running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent.

 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the
 /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf
 /var/tmp/kpid command.


  5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm
 -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password


  6.  The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed.


  WorkArounds:

 Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or
 Linux Chrome:
 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f

 References:

 http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx
 http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx

 http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx


  Lisa, do you want to enter a business partnership with me selling
 high-quality tin foil hats (not like those homemade ones that just fall
 apart) and personal mobile faraday cages (with movable elbow and knee
 joints)?

 I think you're kicking up a whole lot of dust to be honest. An equally
 meaningful and relevant statement would be There exists bad software that
 people can install and do nasty things to your computer.

 The uninstall information is good to know, but I think it would be better
 presented in a full-blown article pertaining to draconian employers
 installing crap on employees' laptops, perhaps for 2600 or similar.


 Hey Tuna, my young friend, I just posted information related to Kaysea
administrative, technical and security use, with how to remove the agents;
someone else challenged that Kaseya was developed for government NSA and
security use.

But I imagine we could sell tinfoil
hathttp://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=97466 art.especially
at 1st Friday ArtWalk http://www.artlinkphoenix.com/?




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Kaseya Agents You

2010-08-11 Thread Lisa Kachold
Kaseya:

Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack,  Sometimes a Government
Surveillance Tool?

How to Remove a Kaseya Agent:

1) Windows Hidden Type:
%programfiles%\InstallShield Installation
Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL


2) OS X:

1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from
herehttp://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/m/it-toolkit-media-gallery/50.aspx,
and copy it onto the Mac.

2. Expand the ZIP archive.

3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh
Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually
running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent.

4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the
/var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf
/var/tmp/kpid command.


5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf
/var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password


 6.  The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed.


WorkArounds:

Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or
Linux Chrome:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f

References:

http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx
http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx
http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx


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