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here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to remove it, but no links as to why? this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very little one way or another. if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would like to hear it/see it. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Kaseya: Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack, Sometimes a Government Surveillance Tool? How to Remove a Kaseya Agent: 1) Windows Hidden Type: %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL 2) OS X: 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy it onto the Mac. 2. Expand the ZIP archive. 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent. 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command. 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password 6. The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed. WorkArounds: Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or Linux Chrome: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f References: http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch everything done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script plugin. It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to remove it, but no links as to why? this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very little one way or another. if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would like to hear it/see it. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Kaseya: Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack, Sometimes a Government Surveillance Tool? How to Remove a Kaseya Agent: 1) Windows Hidden Type: %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL 2) OS X: 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy it onto the Mac. 2. Expand the ZIP archive. 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent. 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command. 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password 6. The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed. WorkArounds: Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or Linux Chrome: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f References: http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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so is it a weakness in the client that someone can break into, or is it a heathy paranoia of such clients exiting with a managed company that you may or may not trust? On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch everything done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script plugin. It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to remove it, but no links as to why? this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very little one way or another. if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would like to hear it/see it. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Kaseya: Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack, Sometimes a Government Surveillance Tool? How to Remove a Kaseya Agent: 1) Windows Hidden Type: %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL 2) OS X: 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy it onto the Mac. 2. Expand the ZIP archive. 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent. 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command. 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password 6. The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed. WorkArounds: Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or Linux Chrome: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f References: http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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It can be used for malicious reasons. It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. It is currently being delivered for Linux Chrome. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: so is it a weakness in the client that someone can break into, or is it a heathy paranoia of such clients exiting with a managed company that you may or may not trust? On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch everything done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script plugin. It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to remove it, but no links as to why? this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very little one way or another. if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would like to hear it/see it. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Kaseya: Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack, Sometimes a Government Surveillance Tool? How to Remove a Kaseya Agent: 1) Windows Hidden Type: %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL 2) OS X: 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy it onto the Mac. 2. Expand the ZIP archive. 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent. 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command. 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password 6. The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed. WorkArounds: Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or Linux Chrome: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f References: http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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do you know any other products that ship with it? On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: It can be used for malicious reasons. It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. It is currently being delivered for Linux Chrome. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: so is it a weakness in the client that someone can break into, or is it a heathy paranoia of such clients exiting with a managed company that you may or may not trust? On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch everything done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script plugin. It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to remove it, but no links as to why? this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very little one way or another. if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would like to hear it/see it. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Kaseya: Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack, Sometimes a Government Surveillance Tool? How to Remove a Kaseya Agent: 1) Windows Hidden Type: %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL 2) OS X: 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy it onto the Mac. 2. Expand the ZIP archive. 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent. 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command. 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password 6. The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed. WorkArounds: Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or Linux Chrome: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f References: http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -
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They have not only web browser plugins but a great deal of scripts and other tools. You have to check the links I included for the kaseya web site related to your OS/Browser or application. It is not cheap. Free applications and online tools exist to do the same thing. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: do you know any other products that ship with it? On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: It can be used for malicious reasons. It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. It is currently being delivered for Linux Chrome. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: so is it a weakness in the client that someone can break into, or is it a heathy paranoia of such clients exiting with a managed company that you may or may not trust? On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: This agent allows a remote party to completely control or watch everything done on the desktop on various systems using a Firefox or script plugin. It's similar to LivePerson cookies but much more powerful. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: here is a question from me, you have a weath of information on how to remove it, but no links as to why? this is the first time i have seen this product so i have heard very little one way or another. if you have links as to why its a bad application to have then i would like to hear it/see it. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Kaseya: Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack, Sometimes a Government Surveillance Tool? How to Remove a Kaseya Agent: 1) Windows Hidden Type: %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL 2) OS X: 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here, and copy it onto the Mac. 2. Expand the ZIP archive. 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent. 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command. 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password 6. The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed. WorkArounds: Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or Linux Chrome: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f References: http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: It can be used for malicious reasons. so can almost any tool As you later note: It is not cheap. Free applications and online tools exist to do the samething. drop in a VNC server, pre-key it, and hide it from the process table listing, and one is home in a Windows environment; munge a kernel module, and one can attain the same effect in Linux. Apple has similar in OS/X ... back to the lead post ... It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. A strong assertion. A search turns up just another vendor, in the marketing hunt trying to sell to the Homeland Security 'garrison state' http://www.kaseya.com/ with a FIPS-140-2 certification. They are co-marketing with Microsoft http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/software-solutions.aspx and they seem to advert having sold to the U S Air Force Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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If you are asking for proof that the government is watching everyone of us just take a look at the USA PATRIOT Act. It give authority to wire tap and other surveillance activities with much less restriction. It allows authorities to circumvent the constitution and hold prisoners incommunicado while violating their 6th and 14th Amendments right to due process. Clearly unconstitutional. Here is an example of how the law is being abused Lundeby said the USA Patriot Act stripped her son of his due process rights. We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution, she said. It wasn't intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend. http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/ http://www.reformthepatriotact.org/ Keith Smith --- On Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents You To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 9:19 AM On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: It can be used for malicious reasons. so can almost any tool As you later note: It is not cheap. Free applications and online tools exist to do the samething. drop in a VNC server, pre-key it, and hide it from the process table listing, and one is home in a Windows environment; munge a kernel module, and one can attain the same effect in Linux. Apple has similar in OS/X ... back to the lead post ... It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. A strong assertion. A search turns up just another vendor, in the marketing hunt trying to sell to the Homeland Security 'garrison state' http://www.kaseya.com/ with a FIPS-140-2 certification. They are co-marketing with Microsoft http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/software-solutions.aspx and they seem to advert having sold to the U S Air Force Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:42 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: If you are asking for proof that the government is watching everyone of us just take a look at the USA PATRIOT Act. It give authority to wire tap and other surveillance activities with much less restriction. It allows authorities to circumvent the constitution and hold prisoners incommunicado while violating their 6th and 14th Amendments right to due process. Clearly unconstitutional. Here is an example of how the law is being abused Lundeby said the USA Patriot Acthttp://www.usdoj.gov/archive/ll/highlights.htmstripped her son of his due process rights. We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution, she said. It wasn't intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend. http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/ http://www.reformthepatriotact.org/ Keith Smith --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote: From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents You To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 9:19 AM On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: It can be used for malicious reasons. so can almost any tool As you later note: It is not cheap. Free applications and online tools exist to do the samething. drop in a VNC server, pre-key it, and hide it from the process table listing, and one is home in a Windows environment; munge a kernel module, and one can attain the same effect in Linux. Apple has similar in OS/X ... back to the lead post ... It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. A strong assertion. A search turns up just another vendor, in the marketing hunt trying to sell to the Homeland Security 'garrison state' http://www.kaseya.com/ with a FIPS-140-2 certification. They are co-marketing with Microsoft http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/software-solutions.aspx and they seem to advert having sold to the U S Air Force Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your belief. A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here My question echoes that of Joe Friday: All we want are the facts, ma'am I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given facts I can rely upon --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote: Lisa, for context: It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. herrold: A strong assertion. ... snip ... Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your belief. A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here My question echoes that of Joe Friday: All we want are the facts, ma'am I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given facts I can rely upon --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote: Lisa, for context: It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. herrold: A strong assertion. ... snip ... Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold I did not state improper use. It's all legal as of Presidential Special Order. -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Only time will tell. From where I sit, the president cannot circumvent the Constitution unless the courts let him. We do not have a dictator. We are a republic and the government was created by the states for a very limited functionality. The people have given up a some small amounts of rights for the common good and the government continues to take more and more. Look at ObamaCare. Clearly unconstitutional. We live in interesting times, just look at the state of our elections. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents You To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:21 AM On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your belief. A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here My question echoes that of Joe Friday: All we want are the facts, ma'am I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given facts I can rely upon --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote: Lisa, for context: It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. herrold: A strong assertion. ... snip ... Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold I did not state improper use. It's all legal as of Presidential Special Order. -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Only time will tell. From where I sit, the president cannot circumvent the Constitution unless the courts let him. We do not have a dictator. We are a republic and the government was created by the states for a very limited functionality. The people have given up a some small amounts of rights for the common good and the government continues to take more and more. Look at ObamaCare. Clearly unconstitutional. We live in interesting times, just look at the state of our elections. Keith Smith --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com* wrote: From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents You To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:21 AM On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your belief. A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here My question echoes that of Joe Friday: All we want are the facts, ma'am I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given facts I can rely upon --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herr...@owlriver.com* wrote: Lisa, for context: It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. herrold: A strong assertion. ... snip ... Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold I did not state improper use. It's all legal as of Presidential Special Order. -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-disc...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy My question echoes that of Joe Friday: All we want are the facts, ma'am conspicuously absent from any of those links is any mention of Kaseya FISA warrants may be disliked but have been judicially upheld [footnote 89 in the wiki article]. As that article notes one may structure one's affairs to address the possibilities they afford the US federal government [how being out of scope here] -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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The George W. Bush administration used these powers to by-pass the FISA court and directed the National Security Agency to spy directly on American citizens on American soil. How does that protect us? And just because he does it and congress allows it does not make it right or Constitutional. Looking back 20 to 40 years from now will pretty interesting. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents You To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 11:02 AM http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Only time will tell. From where I sit, the president cannot circumvent the Constitution unless the courts let him. We do not have a dictator. We are a republic and the government was created by the states for a very limited functionality. The people have given up a some small amounts of rights for the common good and the government continues to take more and more. Look at ObamaCare. Clearly unconstitutional. We live in interesting times, just look at the state of our elections. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents You To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:21 AM On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your belief. A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here My question echoes that of Joe Friday: All we want are the facts, ma'am I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given facts I can rely upon --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote: Lisa, for context: It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. herrold: A strong assertion. ... snip ... Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold I did not state improper use. It's all legal as of Presidential Special Order. -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I don't have time to argue here. I hope to have several websites active around the first of the years that point out and report on many disturbing trends. When I have them ready I will post the links. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents You To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 11:02 AM http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Only time will tell. From where I sit, the president cannot circumvent the Constitution unless the courts let him. We do not have a dictator. We are a republic and the government was created by the states for a very limited functionality. The people have given up a some small amounts of rights for the common good and the government continues to take more and more. Look at ObamaCare. Clearly unconstitutional. We live in interesting times, just look at the state of our elections. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents You To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:21 AM On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your belief. A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here My question echoes that of Joe Friday: All we want are the facts, ma'am I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given facts I can rely upon --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com* wrote: Lisa, for context: It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. herrold: A strong assertion. ... snip ... Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold I did not state improper use. It's all legal as of Presidential Special Order. -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy My question echoes that of Joe Friday: All we want are the facts, ma'am conspicuously absent from any of those links is any mention of Kaseya * * There are too many links to reference. This is common security knowledge. Maximum SecurityKaseya designed the Integrated IT Software Suite with comprehensive security throughout. *The Kaseya design team brings over 50 years of experience designing secure systems for government and commercial applications. Kaseya applied this experience to uniquely combine ease of use with high security. Kaseya Agent* The Kaseya platform architecture is central to providing maximum security. Each computer managed has a small agent installed. The agent initiates all communications back to the server. Since the agent will not accept any inbound connections, it is impossible for a third party application to attack the agent from the network. Firewalls Kaseya does not need any input ports opened on client machines. This lets the agent do its job in any network configuration without introducing susceptibility to inbound port probes or new network attacks. Encryption Kaseya protects against man in the middle attacks by encrypting all communications between the agent and server with 256-bit RC4 using a key that rolls every time the server tasks the agent, typically at least once per day . Since there are no plain text data packets passing over the network, there is nothing available for an attacker to exploit. FISA warrants may be disliked but have been judicially upheld [footnote 89 in the wiki article]. As that article notes one may structure one's affairs to address the possibilities they afford the US federal government [how being out of scope here] -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:27 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't have time to argue here. I hope to have several websites active around the first of the years that point out and report on many disturbing trends. When I have them ready I will post the links. snip I like this link better than political ones: http://www.andhrahackers.com/forum/index.php?topic=3593.0 -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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uh yeah, and its why I didn't comment about the tool. I knew it would go this way. The tool itself appears pretty innocuous by itself. However, as we all know, any tool can be abused. On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Technomage_Hawke technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote: uh yeah, and its why I didn't comment about the tool. I knew it would go this way. The tool itself appears pretty innocuous by itself. However, as we all know, any tool can be abused. True http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/consequences2.jpeg that! On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: conspicuously absent from any of those links is any mention of Kaseya There are too many links to reference. This is common security knowledge. as they are so profuse, let's agree to just look at the best two you know of. Standing by -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On 08/11/2010 07:54 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: Kaseya: Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack, Sometimes a Government Surveillance Tool? How to Remove a Kaseya Agent: 1) Windows Hidden Type: %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL 2) OS X: 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from here http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/m/it-toolkit-media-gallery/50.aspx, and copy it onto the Mac. 2. Expand the ZIP archive. 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent. 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command. 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password 6. The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed. WorkArounds: Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or Linux Chrome: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f References: http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx Lisa, do you want to enter a business partnership with me selling high-quality tin foil hats (not like those homemade ones that just fall apart) and personal mobile faraday cages (with movable elbow and knee joints)? I think you're kicking up a whole lot of dust to be honest. An equally meaningful and relevant statement would be There exists bad software that people can install and do nasty things to your computer. The uninstall information is good to know, but I think it would be better presented in a full-blown article pertaining to draconian employers installing crap on employees' laptops, perhaps for 2600 or similar. -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Kaseya Agents You
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: On 08/11/2010 07:54 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: Kaseya: Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack, Sometimes a Government Surveillance Tool? How to Remove a Kaseya Agent: 1) Windows Hidden Type: %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL 2) OS X: 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from herehttp://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/m/it-toolkit-media-gallery/50.aspx, and copy it onto the Mac. 2. Expand the ZIP archive. 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent. 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command. 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password 6. The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed. WorkArounds: Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or Linux Chrome: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f References: http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx Lisa, do you want to enter a business partnership with me selling high-quality tin foil hats (not like those homemade ones that just fall apart) and personal mobile faraday cages (with movable elbow and knee joints)? I think you're kicking up a whole lot of dust to be honest. An equally meaningful and relevant statement would be There exists bad software that people can install and do nasty things to your computer. The uninstall information is good to know, but I think it would be better presented in a full-blown article pertaining to draconian employers installing crap on employees' laptops, perhaps for 2600 or similar. Hey Tuna, my young friend, I just posted information related to Kaysea administrative, technical and security use, with how to remove the agents; someone else challenged that Kaseya was developed for government NSA and security use. But I imagine we could sell tinfoil hathttp://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=97466 art.especially at 1st Friday ArtWalk http://www.artlinkphoenix.com/? -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Kaseya Agents You
Kaseya: Sometimes a Free Tool, Sometimes a convenient Hack, Sometimes a Government Surveillance Tool? How to Remove a Kaseya Agent: 1) Windows Hidden Type: %programfiles%\InstallShield Installation Information\{48C76121-4F90-11D5-9884-0050BA85A903}\Setup.exe UNINSTALL 2) OS X: 1. Download the file KaseyaUninstall.pkg.zip file from herehttp://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/m/it-toolkit-media-gallery/50.aspx, and copy it onto the Mac. 2. Expand the ZIP archive. 3. Run KaseyaUninstall.pkg installer and choose to Install to the Macintosh Harddrive. Although this appears to be installing a product, it is actually running the uninstallation script for the Kaseya agent. 4. Log in with the user that installed the agent initially and delete the /var/tmp/kpid file. To do this launch Terminal and run the rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command. 5. Remove the agent with root rights, i.e. in Terminal run the sudo rm -rf /var/tmp/kpid command and then provide the root password 6. The Kaseya agent and associated files will be removed. WorkArounds: Chrome does not currently have an active Kaseya Agent plugin for OS X or Linux Chrome: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chrome+kaseya+osxaq=f References: http://www.kaseya.com/free/features.aspx http://www.kaseya.com/solutions/government.aspx http://community.kaseya.com/ittoolkit/b/weblog/archive/2010/06/09/creative-ways-to-get-it-toolkit-installed-on-a-computer.aspx -- Office: (602)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com/wiki/index.php?title=Obnosis Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss