Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiplayer play it again list shows 404
bpa wrote: > Since you are using 1.4.* in The WebUI Settings/Plugin tab - at the > bottom you probably have an url like > > HTTP://DOWNLOADS.SOURCEFORGE.NET/PROJECT/BPAPLUGINS/REPO-SHORT.XML > > This URL needs to be replaced by the URL > HTTP://DOWNLOADS.SOURCEFORGE.NET/PROJECT/BPAPLUGINS/BETARELEASE-REPO.XML > > and then click Apply. The plugin list should be updates and a > BBCiPlayer entry will have 1.6.0 - it may need tot be "activated". If > you do not see 1.6 then the repo URL updates hasn't worked- double > check. > > Checking the box "Update plugins automatically" affects all plugins - so > it is personal choice but it will not upgrade 1.4 to 1.6. *@BPA* and others involved with this fix for the recent iPlayer plug-in HTTP 404 error for listen again: *Thank you s much!* A chill ran down my spine when I saw that error a couple of weeks ago. "Is this the end of the road for my Squeezeboxes?" I worried. But yet again this wonderful community has come up trumps :) Radio 4 Extra comedy for DIY around the house, bike maintenance in the garage etc. working once again. More than happy to shout you a few beers via PayPal if you have a paypal.me etc. account? Server: Squeezebox Server v7.9.2 on Windows Server, with Triode's BBC iPlayer plugin (+ ongoing enhancements from BPA, Utgg et al). Clients: Squeezebox Radios & Squeezebox Receivers (controlled by a Duet handset, or the web browser UI), all running wireless. Used for: Playing home MP3 collection and streaming live BBC radio + Listen Again. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109446 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
@BBC iPlayer login requirement coming in 2017: Awww feck! Does that mean that (assuming the login applies to Radio in addition to TV) mean that the iPlayer plug-in for our Squeezeboxes will be stuffed? :confused: Server: Squeezebox Server v7.5.5 - r32671 on Windows Server, with Triode's BBC iPlayer plugin (+ ongoing enhancements from BPA, Utgg et al). Clients: Squeezebox Radios & Squeezebox Receivers (controlled by a Duet handset, or the web browser UI), all running wireless. Used for: Playing home MP3 collection and streaming live BBC radio + Listen Again. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
castalla wrote: > We certainly owe a huge debt of gratitude to Triode, bpa and others in > keepng the bbc access alive. I wholeheateadly agree - I used to take my > Squeezebox system and access to BBC live & on-demand for granted until the debarcle around February 2015. Now I am grateful for it every time I tune into Just A Minute etc. when working in the garage :) Many thanks once again to everyone who has/is keeping LMS alive :cool: Server: Squeezebox Server v7.5.5 - r32671 on Windows Server, with Triode's BBC iPlayer plugin (+ ongoing enhancements from BPA, Utgg et al). Clients: Squeezebox Radios & Squeezebox Receivers (controlled by a Duet handset, or the web browser UI), all running wireless. Used for: Playing home MP3 collection and streaming live BBC radio + Listen Again. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
FWIW: I have been using the HLS variant of the plug-in since the BBC debarcle last year and it has/is working fine (for Listen Again and live streaming, mostly for BBC R2, R4 and R4 Extra). Sounds to me like Jerry1964's problem is definitely his LMS server. As BPA suggested - try -temporarily- disabling what you can on the server, with particular attention to antivirus, malware and firewall software as they might be fiddling with your traffic. Another thing to try is the physical network connections - could you e.g. swap network cables between the good and bad servers, maybe even swap NICs? Server: Squeezebox Server v7.5.5 - r32671 on Windows Server, with Triode's BBC iPlayer plugin (+ ongoing enhancements from BPA, Utgg et al). Clients: Squeezebox Radios & Squeezebox Receivers (controlled by a Duet handset, or the web browser UI), all running wireless. Used for: Playing home MP3 collection and streaming live BBC radio + Listen Again. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
More BBC meddling brings me back to this excellent forum to keep my iPlayer Plugin working for Listen Again... With SUCCESS :D Thanks to BPA, Utgg et al for the ongoing support for LMS. It took me a while to trawl the thread pages to find out what to do, so I hope this summary helps others (I have copied help text from other parts of the forum, so thanks to the original authors). Please note that I run my LMS on Windows, so paths et. will differ for LINUX etc. ::*4 Steps to Listen Again with working logo icons:*:: 1) INSTALL UPDATED 'ALPHA' VERSION OF TRIODE'S BBC IPLAYER PLUGIN - VERSION V1.3.1ALPHA3 (LATEST ON 31ST MARCH 2015 INCORPORATING MANY IMPROVEMENTS OVER ALPHA2): Ref. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103435-BBCiPlayer-Plugins-an-alternative-quick-fix-guide - Go to the Settings, Plugins page on the LMS GUI. - Go to 'Additional Repositories' near the bottom. If this is not available, there should be an option to enable third party plugins. Tick this, and press 'Apply' at bottom right. - Add the following line to the list of additional repositories: http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/testrepo.xml - Press 'Apply' at bottom right. - Restart LMS. - You should now find that either the new BBCiPlayer plugin is now already available and installed, or there is a box you can tick near the bottom of the plugins list (under "Triode's Squeezecenter Plugins (Test Versions)") to make it available on the next LMS restart. If the latter, tick it and restart LMS. 2) INSTALL UPDATED VERSION OF BPA'S BBC IPLAYER EXTRAS PLUGIN - VERSION V1.8: Ref. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103435-BBCiPlayer-Plugins-an-alternative-quick-fix-guide Repeat the instructions in step 1) except use the repository below, and ensure that the BBC iPlayer Extras plugin version 1.8 is selected and installed. http://bpaplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/repo-short.xml The plugin will either be installed straight away after a restart, or you need to tick it against "bpa's Squeezecenter Plugins Short". 3) UTGG'S REVISED BBCXMLPARSER.PM FILE: File from (post #4058): http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-%28UK-only%29=834111=1#post834111 - Replace your existing BBCXMLParser.pm file in "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins\Plugins\BBCiPlayer" with the one from post #4058 here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...ugin-(UK-only). 4) UTGG'S LOGO PATCH: File from (post #3737): http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-%28UK-only%29=814578=1#post814578 - Extract menu.opml from the zip file and replace the existing file in "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins\Plugins\BBCiPlayer". Finally, stop and start your LMS and you're done :D See y'all again when the BBC kill the HLS streams and we are forced to use DASH streams instead... I'm more than happy to donate via Paypal to pay for beer etc. for whomever knows how to do this in abscense of Triode. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
This may be worth signing if you have not done so already: https://www.change.org/p/the-bbc-trust-and-the-bbc-director-general-restore-aac-audio-and-listen-again-indefinitely-for-internet-radio-devices-2 I doubt the BBC will ever enable the original SHOUTCast streams, but at least if we get enough signatures it may add some weight to the cause (to get the Audio Factory to remember their public service committments, consult with listeners etc.). W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Just chipping in to say how pleasing it is to see that Triode is working on a revised 'BBC iPlayer' plug-in. The list ordering of 'hacks' to be applied was getting a tad long :) @Triode: Not sure if you are reading this thread?: Can we PayPal donate to you to say THANK YOU when you are done? W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bpa wrote: I agree HLS and HDS are here to stay. On PC based browser the Listen Again and live stream are HDS format stream played via a flash player. As I see it the problem with doing HLS is that LMS protocol handling is not set up to open and close http URL every 6 secs. It adds complexity and a level of unknown within LMS single thread. My initial step would be to implement 1. a LMS M3U8 Playlist handler so that codec and speed can be extracted for display. 2. Implement a Standalone Perl transcoder which strips HLS and MPEGS leaving AAC/MP3 audio stream. This is simple to implement and most platform will have Perl. Windows is the problem with this approach as LMS is installed as a exe not as Perl with source files.. 3. I'm not sure about the handling of seek within stream (i.e. ffw/rew) - existing methods may work. Time is the problem for me - I cannot predict when I would the time to implement a transcoder. @expectingtofly @BPA: So what PayPal account can we donate to, to keep you both in coffee biscuits? :) W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
PasTim wrote: This can't be right. The onus has always been on the user not to record things for public performance, or to keep for an extended period. There never has been anything the BBC could do to stop people recording things. My Dad used a reel-to-reel tape recorder. DRM wouldn't have worked then, and still won't unless they switch off all analogue radio. This isn't even about open source, squeezebox or anything else is it? If they provide a method of playing through a browser (however proprietary) then other proprietary software from Windows, Apple or whoever, can record it. So the BBC should make sure they repeatedly remind people of their responsibilities. To pretend that all is secure is just a joke. Surely there would be lawyers swarming round if there was a serious concern? I agree. Even if the BBC locked all the streams down with a DRM solution, I could plug a recording device into the headphone jack on my iPhone, iPad etc. Heck, the sound recording software on my PC even has a What you hear line-in option, so I could record from iPlayer in a web browser. The thing is I have never felt the need to record keep radio programs in the past, as I could always Listen Again using the 'BBC iPlayer' plug-in. Thankfully using expectingtofly's excellent hack I still can, having edited my BBCXMLParser.pm (in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins\Plugins\BBCiPlayer on my Windows server - hope the location helps others). BIG THANKS to expectingtofly :) Lets hope the clever helpful folks on this forum can help us navigate this streaming nightmare until everything settles down. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
ChipMonk wrote: I'm afraid that I had the audacity to suggest (post 317) rather than contacting our MPs, I suggest we focus on Javid and Vaizey at Westminster, the BBC Trust and top management and the daily press. I know I'm a bad fellow but I have spent the best part of a month trying to have an intelligent dialogue and talk reason into all levels of BBC management. Their arrogance and stubborn ignorance has simply astonished me. We have nowhere else to go now - very sad. Shame on you! ;) I'll repeat post this here, as I expect the BBC moderators will remove my comment #335 from www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/234a65f0-89c1-489c-b6e9-55d2de932e53?: e-petition anyone? Now forgive me if this is campaigning but... While politicians might just make this situation worse, has anyone thought about starting an HM Government e-petition (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/) to lobby the BBC to behave according to their charter and consult before making these seismic changes to on-line access to BBC radio?? W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
ftlight wrote: Nick Reynolds has just closed the BBC blog thread to comments. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/234a65f0-89c1-489c-b6e9-55d2de932e53?filter=none#comments Now what? Utterly disgraceful, considering that the BBC is a public service broadcaster. How about we set-up a new thread on this forum for 'campaigning' discussions e.g. BBC 2015 Streaming Changes - Campaign, to save this 'BBC iPlayer' plug-in thread going off-topic? W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Quick thought: If its 'option 2.' (assume no more Triode), wouldn't it be best trying to make the replacement BBC iPlayer plugin work with DASH, as that sounds like where BBC streams will settle to long term? This may sound kinda rose tinted, but... Could get virtual 'signatures' (agreements via this forum) from folks here to a 'letter' to the BBC (probably e-mail to Andrew Scott?) asking for their help in enabling the Squeezebox community to make a plug-in to work with BBC DASH streams. If we had a few forum members as representatives, who then agreed to the BBC's NDA requirements (and agree to make the replacement plug-in adhere to whatever 'piracy protection' requirements there may be) then we might be on a better footing? W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
I see that the HLS has finally hit the Listen Again fan :( I was hoping that I would hold out until Triode updates the iPlayer plug-in (to enable HLS Listen Again streams) by temporarily downloading BBC radio programmes using get_iplayer, to make my own Listen Again for a while... But get_iplayer is failing now: INFO: No specified modes (flashaachigh,flashaacstd,flashaudio,flashaaclow) available for this programme with version 'default' (try using --modes=) INFO: You may receive this message if you are using get_iplayer outside the UK ERROR: Failed to record 'The News Quiz: Series 86 - Episode 2 (b053c3px)' WARNING: PVR Run: the_news_quiz_name_radio_liveradio: 1 download failure(s) Humph! I have an Android phone, but that lives nowhere near my main Hi-Fi and my various Squeezeboxes do not have a line in, so even if I went out and purchased a bunch of phone chargers and put them around the house I cannot stream from my phone 'into' my home Hi Fi network. No more Listen Again for me for a while then. Very sad that I will miss so many of my beloved BBC radio programmes now :mad: Triode, I hope you are you watching over us in silence while building a new HLS BBC iPlayer plug-in, which we so dearly need now. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote: Like Owen Smith, Listen Again is working fine for me, so your situation is rather puzzling. If you use the latest version of Triode's BBCiPlayer plugin for LMS, it will route you via mediaselector/5 listings to the RTMP streams that are still working. The Applet won't work because it's routings are out of date. Sorry Gents, I didn't mean to confuse: My post was specifically about Listen Again and while it is still working for me today, aren't we now about to enter (end of February 2015) into the world of no Listen Again, unless you can access the HLS Listen Again streams? Btw, I have BPA's HLS plug-installed and working great for live radio HLS streams :D Anyhoo I just updated my get_iPlayer from v2.90 to 2.91 (http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html) and it is now downloading again, so hopefully a stop-gap for me until Triode etc. can HLS the BBC iPlayer plug-in (building a home store of .MP3s of radio programmes, which I can then stream from my Squeezebox Server). W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote: It seems not. The reason is that the BBC didn't realise that we use RTMP streams, thinking they were for the BBC's own use. This emerged yesterday in Andrew Scott's blog on the BBC website. He said that the RTMP streams will be shut down, but they have not published a timeline. So, it appears that we have some breathing space during which, hopefully, Triode will appear with a solution for the HLS streams. Ah, I hadn't realised that. Well, long may it (RTMP) continue. But lets assume not and get something built for HLS. I'm in a similar boat to you: I can code, but may not have the right coding skills required here. Anyhoo, happy to help (code, test etc.) if we do find that Triode is no more and need pool resources to make an HLS Listen Again player plug-in for Squeezebox. castalla wrote: Just put efforts on getting the BBC to declare how to access the HLS urls - then we move on one way or the other. edit: i have little expectation that the General Manager of Radio Product for BBC Future Media has any notion of what we are complaining about Agreed, but at least he replies more often than Jim Simmons! ;) I'll keep on posting BBC blog comments to highlight the need for information on how to access HLS Listen Again. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bonze wrote: Working OK here too, in the UK. And a few other random ones too.Thanks for testing - Panic over: I was testing on one of my Squeezebox Receivers (that I don't usually do Listen Again on), having installed BPA's HLS plugin and for some reason it won't do Listen Again through the BBC iPlayer plug-in, but other units e.g. a Squeezebox Radio (all connected to same Squeezebox Server) are still doing Listen Again okay (yesterday evening at least). I think it is a home IT problem, not BBC this time! W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bpa wrote: Make sure you have set the most comprehensive setting for audio formats and enable Transcoding. Hi BPA, thanks for the reply. Aren't these settings for the BBC iPlayer plug-in server-wide (On Demand Stream Preference: AAC FlashAAC FlashMP3 WMA and Allow Transcoding enabled)? I can get my Squeezebox Radios (Firmware: 7.5.4-r9408) to do On Demand streaming with the BBC iPlayer plug-in, but not my Squeezebox Receivers (Firmware: 69). Same Squeezebox Server, same internet connection/firewall :confused: W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: PlayHLS Plugin - plugin to play Apple HLS m3u8 stream
@BPA @bonze: I thought I'd wait a few days for things to settle down and have now tried your HLS plugin and the updated menu.opml files for the iPlayer plugin: BIG thank you to you both as they are working great, even on my crusty old Squeezebox Server v7.5.5 install that is running on 32-but windows! :) W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103158 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Uh-oh, has the BBC started the Listen Again lobotomy already, or is this just affecting me?: From my Squeezebox Duet controller I am selecting BBC iPlayer BBC Radio 4 Extra Scroll down past the days of the week to the program names... e.g. Just a Minute Anything I select now does this: Fetching track details Then after a few seconds I get Problem: Can't open file for rtmp://bbcodspddns.fcod.llnwd.net:1935?app=YT... This was working fine a couple of days ago: Is everyone (anyone?!?) getting this when they try to access Listen Again from the BBC iPlayer plugin (or have I just broken something by installing BPA's HLS plug-in (which is now working great for BBC live radio HLS streams))? W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bpa wrote: Both episodes play for me OK (outside the UK) on rtmp Flash AAC (WMA has already gone a few weeks ago) on LMS. Problem is probably on your LMS but could be a UK only issue. Thanks BPA. I better unwind my install of your HLS plugin and the menu.opml changes, then see if it works again :rolleyes: W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Owen Smith wrote: This makes no sense. We've got AAC Listen Again now which has no DRM, so why does loss of WMA mean Listen Again would be lobotomised down to just MP3 podcasts? If this is true then the iPlayer plugin becomes almost worthless to me. I'll be recording Radio 3 on Freeview and listening on FM or maybe DAB. And this is supposed to be a step forwards is it? Maybe (hoping here!) what Jim Simmons said only refers to devices that can only consume WMA streams and us Squeezebox users will be okay and AAC streams will continue for 'Listen Again'. Then again maybe not :confused: I just wish that the BBC would post some clear explanation as to what is going to happen to 'Listen Again'. Does anyone know if we will have AAC streams for 'Listen Again' (and a broad range of programmes just Podcasts) in March, or do I need to hook up get_iPlayer and build my own Listen Again at home? W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Owen Smith wrote: That BBC blog post says Listen Again WMA streams end next week. Now does that mean just WMA, or as with listen live does it actually mean the end of the ShoutCast streams? One of the commentors on that blog post says that by the end of February Listen Again will be HLS only though they don't quote their source. If this is true then everything becomes much more serious as we lose Listen Again. At which point I don't think there's any solution except an updated iPlayer plugin, there are too many ever changing URLs to bookmark them for PlayHLS use. I'm a little concerned there have been no postings from Triode on this entire situation. Hi Owen, I think you may be referring to my post?... I might be wrong about that but from what I have read it sounds like 'Listen Again' is about to have a lobotomy down to MP3 format and only things that are currently available as a Podcast, thus a limited list of programmes ref. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/28dfd220-7ca1-3683-ac16-3938cfb4b882: Providing a replacement for listen again (ie not live radio) is a much more difficult problem. Without windows media, the only other way that these devices can receive an audio file is to download it in an unprotected format. This would contravene the BBC#8217;s agreements with rights holders (record companies, publishers, writers etc.) which require copyright material to be protected. Windows Media accounts for 2-5% of on demand online listening. Some of this 2-5% of online listeners will be able to switch to our new feeds, some will not. Continuing to serve Windows Media is too expensive at a time when the BBC is facing significant cuts in its funding. It requires special infrastructure to serve it and the industry is moving away from providing it as an option. We have explored the potential to set up an authentication process to provide downloads to these devices, in a way that would meet our rightsholder agreements, but this would also be complicated and expensive. We will continue to make listen again available for programmes where the BBC has download rights and the material is made available as a podcast. Podcasts will still be available on these devices as mp3 If anyone knows different, I'd love to be corrected, as I'll deeply miss the wide range of programs that I can 'Listen Again' to when working in my garage in the evening etc. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
PasTim wrote: And will get_iplayer still work? I was under the impression some time ago that support was being stopped, but I have used it recently with good results. Working for me atm. Thinking about it, probably good if nobody here posts about it on the BBC blogs as they'll probably set about breaking that too :mad: W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
majones wrote: Yes, Listen Again is still being provided as SHOUTcast, but will be switched to HLS/HDS. We don't know when, but we do know there won't be MP3 alternatives (other than podcasts). So it's really helpful that bpa's got HLS working now. Okay, thanks I get it now. So 'Listen Again' still in jepardy, we just do not know the date of execution and are all reliant on Triode, bpa etc. I was sure that 'Listen Again' from the BBC iPlayer app was not working earlier in the week (when Mr Simmon's looping message infected live AAC streams) - Was this the case ( maybe the BBC re-plumbed it later on?) or did I get my live mixed up with my listen again? :o W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
bpa wrote: mherger has nothing to do with BBCiPlayer. Triode is responsible for the wonderful BBCiPlayer plugin and applet. Whoops, sorry, still learning who does what :o bpa wrote: Listen Again is working for me now - I suspect you have disabled transcoding and set plugin to use WMA. Change your settings. Just tried (Squeezebox Server v7.5.5, Squeezebox Duet and BBC iPlayer plugin) and yes working here also e.g. Radio 4 Extra The Unbelievable Truth playing now (albeit no 'album art') :) But I am confused how this is working, could someone explain? My Squeezebox Duet Controller tells me: File Format: AAC Bitrate: 128kbps CBR. URL: URL: iplayer://aod?ms=http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/version/2.0/mediaset/pc/vpid/b050zv0cdur=1800icon=title=The Unbelievable Truth: Series 14: Episode 6desc=Comedians try to smuggle truths past their opponents in David Mitchell's comedy panel game So is this still a SHOUTcast stream? I thought they had been turned off (or has BBC Audio Factory now moved Listen Again to an MP3 format SHOUTcast stream that the Squeezebox Server is transcoding and thus will be available for 1 or 2 years)? *confused*... Please let me know so I know what to still rant on about :rolleyes: W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
@bpa: Thank you so much for producing a proof-of-concept plug-in so quickly - A welcome spark of hope! :) I have not tried the plug-in (tbh waiting for it to settle a bit!) and was wondering if: 1. Is your plugin just a 'test', then passing over to mherger to update the BBC iPlayer plugin later on? 2. Is all this focussed at just live radio HLS streams, or is 'Listen Again' in with a chance of working again on Squeezeboxes with some new flavour of the BBC iPlayer plugin? Hoping I can help out with some testing of a future BBC iPlayer plugin that does 'Listen Again' via HLS :) Btw, still happy to make a PayPal donation to those cutting code off their own backs - bpa, mherger etc. do you want to put up a thread for this? W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Oh dear, Jim Simmons has replied on his blog and it is far from positive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/977a1954-658f-4fb2-a23c-71680c49882f?postId=121379641initial_page_size=20#comment_121379641 Sounds to me like the 'Audio Factory' has closed the door to AAC SHOUTcast and bolted it :mad: Then again, it takes more moral fibre to admit you are wrong and revert, than plough on with a bad decision. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Triode. You're my only hope! W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
eek wrote: I don't think you read his comment that well.. and which to me sounds like they are doing what they can to help. Remember all we need is the urls (and we can add any sensible parameters they insist on us sending) once we have that the very worst case would be needing to wait for mplayer to cope with the new formats. Actually the very worst case would be if triode doesn't have time and someone like me who hasn't coded perl for 12+ years has to make the changes but that won't necessary... @eek: Thanks but I did read Jim's latest reply and IMHO we have a call booked with Logitech tomorrow morning means next to nothing. Even if something is agreed, how long will it take for a solution to be developed, tested and made available? During which time we have limited if any service. Even then why should thousands of people have to spend countless hours finding, downloading and installing, breaking, re-installing etc. to get back to a user experience that the BBC could provide once more if they simply turned the AAC SHOUTcast streams back on now? HLS and HDS might be a good long-term approach (I do not know enough to comment), but I do know that such a siesmic change requires considerate management and a long and well publicised period of parallel running to enable listeners to switch over... Just as was done for digital TV. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Owen Smith wrote: How can you say If it aint broke... about 7.5.5? I started with 7.5.4 and went through all the 7.5 series on my Duet. The 7.5 series was very flaky and buggy, always falling over, Receiver rebooting, server doing stupid things etc. It was agony, I nearly gave up on SqueezeBoxes. 7.6.0 was differently flaky, and then came the sheer bliss of 7.6.1. Every LMS release from 7.6.1 onwards has been fine, individual bugs yes but not the mass instability of 7.5.x or 7.6.0. I said that because for our use (playing .MP3s off local storage on the server and streaming BBC radio live on-demand) v7.5.5 has worked perfectly, with no problems. YMMV of course. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
utgg wrote: One thing barely mentioned yet is the situation with the Listen Again streams. Although these still seem to be working with Triode's plugin, aren't these also supposed to be changing over to HLS and HDS? From the BBC's announcement on Monday I got the impression this was also supposed to have happened by Wednesday. Maybe with the torrent of complaints they're receiving they've postponed this step for a while... As far as I can tell there is no low quality back-up solution mentioned for Listen Again, so we may have a total loss of that functionality, which is only available from Triode's plugin. This would be an even bigger disaster from my perspective. Please someone tell me I am wrong! Agreed, the (working last week) AAC streams for 'Listen Again' is something we (the community) need to make sure is mentioned in complaints posted to the BBC (not just live streams). Please everyone post to BBC's Feedback programme: Web page https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006slnx/contact Email to feedb...@bbc.co.uk Phone 03 333 444 544 Twitter @BBCR4Feedback ... and also register a complaint: http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/ W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
Another multi Squeezebox user seriously upset by another BBC blunder :( @Triode: Hoping you can save 'us' from more tech pain. If you want to put a 'PayPal donation' link on your profile page I'd happily donate towards your costs for updating the BBC iPlayer plugin for LMS - It is awesome and I really hope we will get it working again with decent quality ACC or equivalent streams. W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)
I have Logitech Squeezebox 'Duet' 'Radio' players connecting to Squeezebox Server v7.5.5 on Windows (yes that is an old version, but if it aint broke...): If we are lucky enough for Triode the BBC etc. to sort out the iPlayer plug-in to give us back the AAC streams will I be able to update my iPlayer plugin on v7.5.5, or will I need to 'upgrade' to Logitech Media Server :confused: (which I get the impression might be a 'downgrade' in some ways)? Thanks in advance :) W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53229 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer 0.9 - with UK and Non UK Support
- do you use it frequently for live streams? A: No, mostly Listen Again. - are you in the UK? A: Yes. - if so does audio stall a couple of seconds after starting a stream for a second or so while the player rebuffers A: Never noticed this. iPlayer Plugin has been faultless for me :-) - once it is going do you see any more rebuffering events (well anymore than you see when using iplayer in a web browser) A: No. - would you prefer that the pause was removed if doing so means delaying how long it takes to start a live stream? A: Depends on how long a delay would be introduced; a few seconds would be ok. @Re-buffering: I wonder if this could be related to the speed of people's Internet connection /or how much steam their Squeeze Server has? FYI: I'm running Squeezebox Duet (2 receivers), Squeeze Server v7.4.1 on Windows 2003 Server (4GB RAM/Core Duo 2.8Ghz), 10Mbps Virgin Media broadband. My broadband connex server are lightly loaded and I have not seen any rebuffering problems with the iPlayer Plugin. @Surveys: Have a look at services like http://www.surveymonkey.com/ . . . might be easier to collate results than a forum thread? Hth. -- W92Neriah W92Neriah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67098 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
